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Nullinatti
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:40:00 -
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I would like to say that T2 BPO's should stay given that many of us paid huge sums for them and there are quite rare these days. Having said that, I do still think CCP should look a bit more at invention, to try an even the field a little. I do not mean they should adjust the success rates, but rather offer better bonuses for those using decrptors - since they spent hours running Radar sites or paid large sums to use them. A little more incentive on decrptors would probably go a long way to making things a bit more even in the invention realm. Though, that's just my thoughts.
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:38:00 -
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LHA Tarawa, why haven't you started a public vote in the Assembly Hall? After all, with with the bloc vote of "...the vast majority of have-nots..." behind you you'll have the CSM raising this issue in no time.
And that hand full of Elitists won't be able to stop democracy in action right?
right?
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tozmeister LHA Tarawa, why haven't you started a public vote in the Assembly Hall? After all, with with the bloc vote of "...the vast majority of have-nots..." behind you you'll have the CSM raising this issue in no time.
And that hand full of Elitists won't be able to stop democracy in action right?
right?
EVE really isn't a Democracy. It's more like a Republic, a true Democracy would be majority rule, so if every player wanted 100 billion ISK, they just vote for it and CCP gives everyone 100 billion ISK. (and the market price of everything goes through the roof as a result).
But since that can't happen in EVE, EVE isn't really a Democracy. I liken it to a Representative Republic (CSM are our reps).
I'm sure you will agree that majority rule on everything would completely ruin the game, because everybody is going to want more free stuff. At the very least it would become counter-strike in space.
Hint: This same problem exists in real life, too.
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
The existinace of T2 BPOs creates an unacceptable class system of haves and have-nots that creates anger and discontent among the have nots.
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Dureena Nafee1
Amarr art of eve
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:41:00 -
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I would love to get my hands on T2 BPOs but how about, if you could take a T2 Item and use reverse Engineering to make a BPO... Maybe add that you need some item sold in NPC market items - like blueprint paper or somewhat, then i can buy a load of T2 items, destroy them to make a BPO, chance of failure and loss of item when done, at least then it will allow BPOs to be made and sold as well as still allowing invention (although i find it restrictive to do the invention specially in Empire space) Dureena - Training to Lose 1 skill at a time. |
Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Voogru on 30/07/2010 09:53:45
Originally by: Dureena Nafee1 I would love to get my hands on T2 BPOs but how about, if you could take a T2 Item and use reverse Engineering to make a BPO... Maybe add that you need some item sold in NPC market items - like blueprint paper or somewhat, then i can buy a load of T2 items, destroy them to make a BPO, chance of failure and loss of item when done, at least then it will allow BPOs to be made and sold as well as still allowing invention (although i find it restrictive to do the invention specially in Empire space)
Except that would increase supply of T2 BPO's, increase the product from the T2 BPO's, and what happens when you increase supply of something when the demand stays the same?
Prices fall, along with your beloved profit margins. If you got a print early from this method you would profit until everyone and their dog did it and we'd be back at square one. Invention would be pointless with a way to get more T2 BPO's introduced into the game.
Invention was wildly profitable when it was first introduced, until everyone and their dog started doing it, the prices of everything plummeted to just over invention costs, in some cases 97.5% on modules.
So CCP introduces a way to get T2 BPO's with reverse engineering, you jump on it and become the first to get a T2 BPO, you make a nice profit and brag and then hundreds and hundreds of players follow suit get their T2 BPO's and undercut you and you eventually end up in a price war with other people who don't value their time as much as you, prices fall to just over production costs... hey that's pretty much what we have now...
Except this time T2 BPO's are easy to get and an entire game mechanic (invention) is completely and utterly pointless.
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Mr Mork
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Posted - 2010.07.30 14:15:00 -
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Best reason to keep T2 BPO's, keep people whining about things that don't mater.
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Container Storage
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Posted - 2010.07.30 20:32:00 -
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Best reason: It's permit them to sell item cheaper than inventor and i like cheap item. So who care about you? This game is all about me after all.
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Nahkep Narmelion
Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
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Posted - 2010.07.30 23:42:00 -
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Ariane VoxDei,
Please train reading lvl 1.
Idiot.
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Carl Stonewall
Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:36:00 -
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Keeping BPO's will ultimately ruin EVE... The more players that finds out about this flawed BPO system, the more will stop playing EVE... CCP has to react IMO
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Dureena Nafee1
Amarr art of eve
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:31:00 -
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I just wish it was easier to get to invention, specially if you have an expensive BPC and try to invent, I mean i have a wish to make Miner II and I have copied Miner I, can i invent? - NO I dont have a high enough standing to access any invention I dont have all the datacores etc, and some are selling for over 1 bil, I guess if they are not used up then its not too bad but over 1 bil a try = is it worth it....
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dureena Nafee1 I just wish it was easier to get to invention, specially if you have an expensive BPC and try to invent, I mean i have a wish to make Miner II and I have copied Miner I, can i invent? - NO I dont have a high enough standing to access any invention I dont have all the datacores etc, and some are selling for over 1 bil, I guess if they are not used up then its not too bad but over 1 bil a try = is it worth it....
First: Invention has nothing to do with standing. You just need some skills. The higher the skills the higher the probability of a successful invention.
Second: to invent a Miner II BPC you need 2 Laser Physics datacores (about 100k each) and 2 Mechanical Engineering datacores (about 360k each). Both types are traded en mass in each trade hub. So it's about 1 million per invention.
Btw. Can you tell me, where you live? I could easily undercut 1 bil for a datacore by 0.01 ISK
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Carl Stonewall Keeping BPO's will ultimately ruin EVE... The more players that finds out about this flawed BPO system, the more will stop playing EVE... CCP has to react IMO
Sarcasm.. maybe?
Prove it.
Its been how many years of this in an MMO with a growing player-base since the introduction of said items.
Simple really.. prove it and maybe CCP will listen.
More likely to lose more people from their removal. The owners and their alts going poof after losing their prized 'trophy' assets. Also the people that strive to own them. To quite a few indy minded people, they are that uber item. It is what they 'Quest' for the same as other people for different ships, or skills, or achievements, or space, or tears. Take away a reward for people to achieve.. or make it much easier to obtain simply waters down the game. Makes it boring, faster. Thus causing death.
Prove otherwise.
Again, I'll point out my proof of what could be given the whiners way to virtual easy-mode 'paradise'.. SWG.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.08.01 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Carl Stonewall Keeping BPO's will ultimately ruin EVE... The more players that finds out about this flawed BPO system, the more will stop playing EVE... CCP has to react IMO
Seriusly, there is an entire desert in your *****
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Drichter
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Posted - 2010.08.01 10:43:00 -
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I think the OP is completly right and T2 BPOs are ruining eve and killing everything.
Therefore I create the "DEBPO-Fund" (Destroy Every BPO). Please support this endeavor making Eve a better game by transfering ISK to me, so I can buy all those dirty T2 BPOs and trash them.
A few hundred mil from everyone who feels disadvantaged due to T2 BPOs might be enough to buy the few first ones, but you can help more by transfering even more isk!
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Voith
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Orin Because they earned them, either a) with isk, or b) with RPs in the original lottery.
STFU, HTFU and stop crying about T2BPOS.
The fact that you can use the phrase "earned in the lottery" with a straight face is ****ing hilarious.
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Container Storage
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Posted - 2010.08.01 22:06:00 -
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The fact you don't know the mechanic of the old lotery is even more hilarious. You had to work a trains your skill alot to have a small chance to win.
It was not, do nothing, buy a ticket and hope to win. It was, work your arse off, trains your ****ing skill and hope that little small chance to be rewarded will happen.
Yes they earned it
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2010.08.02 20:49:00 -
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The fact of the matter is that the amount of stuff built with T2 BPO's is VERY small compared to the stuff that is invented. YOU ARE NOT GETTING SCREWED BY THE T2 BPO HOLDERS. The whole reasoning behind your argument is flawed. I once felt the same as you but the more I talked to people who owned T2 bpo's the more I realized the truth.
The people this little witch hunt ought to be after is the mined mins are free crowd.
I vote for an IQ test before you are allowed to download the game..
Hmmm but then I wont be able to buy modules in mission hubs for less than their min value..... nevermind
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Nephron Glomerulus
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:21:00 -
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I don't mind existence of T2 BPOs if Invention was on par. Buff invention a bit so it gives out more efficient BPCs than BPOs based on skills, rare decryptors, etc...
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Nullinatti
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.02 23:49:00 -
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My vote is for a decryptor buff. Finding those elusive Radar sites that actually have one or two decryptors takes a lot of time and the benefits they give are not a great deal. Given the price of them on the markets, they are not very economical to use if one does not run around trying to find them for yourself. Then success rates on invention, even when using decryptors, becomes a bit of an Isk sink and the reward value of success doesn't really match the amount of time investment needed. Sometime I think just running a bunch of inventions without decryptors and using the time to make more materials, is more productive. I would like to see a better reward for using decryptors, thus my vote is that they could use a little buff.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.02 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nephron Glomerulus I don't mind existence of T2 BPOs if Invention was on par. Buff invention a bit so it gives out more efficient BPCs than BPOs based on skills, rare decryptors, etc...
No thanks. I like my excessive clickfest that keeps most of the EVE population out of my profits!!
The more people that do invention the less profitable T2 production is.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.08.03 06:10:00 -
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TBH, people are idiots for playing the OP's game.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.03 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey TBH, people are idiots for playing the OP's game.
If you are trying to effect change, the onus is on you to make a strong case in favor of that change.
Yea you arw right about that. Both statements. But its a game that can easily be smeared in their faces. So its fun! |
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