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edtheshed Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.29 12:59:00 - [1] Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 12:59:47 Linkage
MyMainIsBiomass Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:03:00 - [2] It's not just the lag though. It's their refusal to fix numerous other issues.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:03:00 - [3] Originally by: edtheshed Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 12:59:47 Linkage Good thing I don't do these fights for virtual real-estate <My tools> CCP Zymurgist > lol thats great Dan O'connor
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Monkey Saturday on 29/07/2010 13:05:23 Nice to see CCP getting the kind of media attention they deserve atm. Ahahaaa they quoted me. That made my day
Desigre Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:07:00 - [5] Maybe CCP will finally start taking notice of falling product quality and start fixing things, when theres start to be headlines about it. And im not going to vote ccp¦s eve in those game awards, CCP dosent deserve it.
Pennwisedom Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:08:00 - [6] That is some legit investigative journalism right there.
Vak'ran	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:12:00 - [7] Great work MSN, use a very vocal whiny forumwhoring minority as a source for an article declaring the whole game broken. Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:19:00 - [8] Now lets hope some bigger gaming news related websites will also place this on their websites and hopefully ccp will finally fix their game instead of working on something useless like Walking in Stations... Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.
WrednaMalpa	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:22:00 - [9] Personaly I don't care for the lag cause i'm into small gang/solo pvp, however I understand all those players who are mad or disappointed at best because of the situation. And given nature of lag changes after last expansion we can honestly say game HAS been broken during patch. And no hotfix since then :(
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk something useless like Walking in Stations... Don't state your opinion as fact. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of players in fact would rather see WiS than fleet lag resolved as most players hardly ever come to 0.0 and engage in fleet battles even less.
edtheshed Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Now lets hope some bigger gaming news related websites will also place this on their websites and hopefully ccp will finally fix their game instead of working on something useless like Walking in Stations... well they just took that article from cvg Linkage
Cryten Jones Gallente Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Now lets hope some bigger gaming news related websites will also place this on their websites and hopefully ccp will finally fix their game instead of working on something useless like Walking in Stations... Oh for the love of GOD man give it a rest will you !!! -CJ Originally by: Nogap toosmall and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk something useless like Walking in Stations... Don't state your opinion as fact. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of players in fact would rather see WiS than fleet lag resolved as most players hardly ever come to 0.0 and engage in fleet battles even less. You do know you just did the same thing right? And about the article, yeah i know it came from a different site, but i mean if larger gaming related news sites would take it over as well, then it wouldn't be bad, at this point i'd like to see as much negative publicity as possible, which should at least give a response from the ceo and not some moderator with their copy/paste or trying to be funny responses. Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.
Pennwisedom Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk something useless like Walking in Stations... Don't state your opinion as fact. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of players in fact would rather see WiS than fleet lag resolved as most players hardly ever come to 0.0 and engage in fleet battles even less. You do know you just did the same thing right? No he didn't?
SkinSin	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:41:00 - [15] I expect this topic will be locked (and possibly hidden) shortly.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/07/2010 13:43:02 Originally by: Pennwisedom Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk something useless like Walking in Stations... Don't state your opinion as fact. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of players in fact would rather see WiS than fleet lag resolved as most players hardly ever come to 0.0 and engage in fleet battles even less. You do know you just did the same thing right? No he didn't? yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:42:00 - [17] Hey maybe now its in mainstream media ccp might do something. emails bbc tech editor
Diomedes Gambito	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:50:00 - [18] Originally by: edtheshed Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 12:59:47 Linkage Adding that one for follow up to my signatures :)
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:56:00 - [19] Yes, most people do not care about 0.0 alliances blobbing eachother to have the biggest unused sec sprawl, but it's yet another symptom of a neglected game. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Pennwisedom Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:59:00 - [20] Edited by: Pennwisedom on 29/07/2010 13:59:16 Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. I don't know if you are stupid or you just don't understand English grammar. "in fact" really means "in reality" or something similar to that. So he is saying "I wouldn't be surprised if in reality the majority of players" Which is not stating anything as a fact, it is theorizing as to what the majority thinks. Making an assumption and making a state of fact are not the same thing.
Varrakk Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 13:59:00 - [21] Originally by: edtheshed Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 12:59:47 Linkage It's not just the lag, but the last couple of expansions has turn 0.0 into a joke. A sov system that doesn't work or one that we wanted in the first place.
Drenan State War Academy	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:01:00 - [22] I thought it was Dominion that stuffed eve...not Tyrannis?
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:01:00 - [23] Tbh the old tower system was better. It was slow as **** but you could make progress slowly.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 29/07/2010 14:05:40 Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. If you read the The Fourth Quarter, Economic Newsletter for 2009 (page 6) you'll see that over 80% of players live in Empire space. I said (as fact) that most people don't go to 0.0 a lot and I said it wouldn't surprise me if those people would in fact love Incarna above resolving the fleet lag issue. Not stating that as fact, just the "most people don't live in 0.0" part.
Miss Connolly Public Relations Corp	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:04:00 - [25] Edited by: Miss Connolly on 29/07/2010 14:05:41 Nice to see that the pressure on CCP is increasing. Also: Originally by: Jennifer Fenring If you read the The Fourth Quarter, Economic Newsletter for 2009 (page 6) you'll see that over 80% of players live in Empire space. I have 2 characters in my 0.0 alliance and 6 in empire. So that means squat. If I quit playing my 0.0 characters then my empire characters will die with them. ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features." These are the people you are giving your money to.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Pennwisedom Edited by: Pennwisedom on 29/07/2010 13:59:16 Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. I don't know if you are stupid or you just don't understand English grammar. "in fact" really means "in reality" or something similar to that. So he is saying "I wouldn't be surprised if in reality the majority of players" Which is not stating anything as a fact, it is theorizing as to what the majority thinks. Making an assumption and making a state of fact are not the same thing. And maybe you should actually just read my post first, i've never stated that most of the people are actually not interested in WiS, i'm just calling it a useless add-on to the game. He's assuming i actually think that, but maybe he just shouldn't assume, i just used a word in his sentence as a little word joke, if you actually read further you see that i'm already saying what i was trying to bring across with my previous post. So i suggest you go back to your home school classes and start reading 101 again... Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.
Legs Mackenzie	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:05:00 - [27] Cool. I'll submit it to slashdot too. I've seen a few articles about how wonderful eve is on there, would be nice to portray the real side of it too.
Caldrion Dosto Svea Rike Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. If you read the The Fourth Quarter, Economic Newsletter for 2009 (page 6) you'll see that over 80% of players live in Empire space. I said (as fact) that most people don't go to 0.0 a lot and I said it wouldn't surprise me if those people would in fact love Incarna above fleet lag. Not stating that as fact, just the "most people don't live in 0.0" part. If these numbers are thrue then what happens if all in 0.0 have 1 alt? Then 40% of characters are indeed 0.0 people, if we have 2 alts/"player" we are 60% of the population....... I mean trade alts, and hauler, mining alts is totally unheard of right?
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:07:00 - [29] Funny... for me, with the sole exception of largish fleet battles, my EVE works just fine. One aspect of the game (which affects a small minority of the players) being broken at the moment does not equal the whole game being broken. Welcome to internet journalism, where basement dwellers are accepted as "reliable sources", and food service employees are accepted as "tech experts". ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. If you read the The Fourth Quarter, Economic Newsletter for 2009 (page 6) you'll see that over 80% of players live in Empire space. I said (as fact) that most people don't go to 0.0 a lot and I said it wouldn't surprise me if those people would in fact love Incarna above fleet lag. Not stating that as fact, just the "most people don't live in 0.0" part. Heres the thing though, its beginning to affect roaming gangs and soloers, i was going solo through drone regions in a pilgrim and i was hanging on gates for no reason in the most deserted patch of space in eve. And the fact that a lot of null sec players have neutral empire alts and accoutns for industrial purposes and hauling stuff.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag No. He's saying it wouldn't be a surprise to see that this was the case. He's not saying it is a fact ù he's saying that if it were, it wouldn't be particularly odd. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:11:00 - [32] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 29/07/2010 14:05:40 Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. If you read the The Fourth Quarter, Economic Newsletter for 2009 (page 6) you'll see that over 80% of players live in Empire space. I said (as fact) that most people don't go to 0.0 a lot and I said it wouldn't surprise me if those people would in fact love Incarna above resolving the fleet lag issue. Not stating that as fact, just the "most people don't live in 0.0" part. So what you are saying is that even though the majority of ppl live in empire, means that the voice of almost 70k accounts should not be heard? Of those empire dwellers i'm pretty sure a part of those play FW and tbh FW is also broken as it is, with laggy situations and after its introduction has not had any love anymore. So its not just the lag, which for me is the biggest problem with ccp atm, but also the addition of features which don't get any attention anymore after they have been released. Yeah well maybe in 18 months from now Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.
Average Jack	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Caldrion Dosto I mean trade alts, and hauler, mining alts is totally unheard of right? What game are you playing? It's unheard of that anyone might have more then 1 character! Just think about the effort involved! It takes so long to reach level 80, anyone with more then 1 character has no real life anyway. Oh wait...
Anddeh McNab Matari Department of Gun Control	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:11:00 - [34] Originally by: edtheshed Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 12:59:47 Hurf a derp derp herpa derp Play something else then.
edtheshed Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Anddeh McNab Originally by: edtheshed Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 12:59:47 Hurf a derp derp herpa derp Play something else then. haha did i say anything at all about me not liking the game? no i just provided a link to an article
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk So what you are saying is that even though the majority of ppl live in empire, means that the voice of almost 70k accounts should not be heard? Of those empire dwellers i'm pretty sure a part of those play FW and tbh FW is also broken as it is, with laggy situations and after its introduction has not had any love anymore. So its not just the lag, which for me is the biggest problem with ccp atm, but also the addition of features which don't get any attention anymore after they have been released. Yeah well maybe in 18 months from now No. You said WiS is useless. I replyed that it may be that more people would find WiS a nicer and more useful feature than lagless fleet battles. I didn't say the 70k should be ignored because they're not a majority. Actually I think it should be fixed as I also want to participate in fleet battles in the near future. And even though I'd love to see WiS I'm also concerned about all the loose ends things in EVE and I'm not sure WiS will be any better.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 29/07/2010 14:05:40 Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. If you read the The Fourth Quarter, Economic Newsletter for 2009 (page 6) you'll see that over 80% of players live in Empire space. I said (as fact) that most people don't go to 0.0 a lot and I said it wouldn't surprise me if those people would in fact love Incarna above resolving the fleet lag issue. Not stating that as fact, just the "most people don't live in 0.0" part. Hello. I drew a picture for you to show you why your logic is flawed: As you can see, red does not move outside the circle. Blue does however move inside. Another interesting fact is that the more "hardcore" players are more likely to have reached the "endgame" (Not that you can really call it that, but it's what drives the game and where people strive to be) that is nullsec. These hardcore players tend to be the ones with multiple accounts, as opposed to your "log on once a day and run some missions" carebears. Unsatisfied blue dots = Less black dots.
JS LiamElms Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Now lets hope some bigger gaming news related websites will also place this on their websites and hopefully ccp will finally fix their game instead of working on something useless like Walking in Stations... i too hope the article grows legs and spreads!! also, lol.. people so trying tou out do each other on facts! Here's another one, i have 3 alts/chars in empire 3 in 0.0... i spend about 90% of my time playing the 0.0 ones. the ones in epmire are either market hub chars/mission running/freighter alts... ALL suplying my 0.0/lowsec/pvp activities.
Squat Hardpeck State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:45:00 - [39] Worse article in history. Because the forum-goers count for such a large percentage of the game's population. Don't make me laugh.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Worse article in history. Because the forum-goers count for such a large percentage of the game's population. Don't make me laugh. How does the ass of ccp smell? Cause you seem to be pretty far deep into it... Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.
BBQfire	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:49:00 - [41] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Worse article in history. Because the forum-goers count for such a large percentage of the game's population. Don't make me laugh. How does the ass of ccp smell? Cause you seem to be pretty far deep into it... muhahaha
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Worse article in history. Because the forum-goers count for such a large percentage of the game's population. Don't make me laugh. Perhaps not, but forum-goers here are likely to be forum-goers elsewhere and be the kind of people who like to talk about their important internet hobbies to anyone who accidentally wanders into hearing rangeà àand guess what message they're going to hear? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 29/07/2010 14:39:22 Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk So what you are saying is that even though the majority of ppl live in empire, means that the voice of almost 70k accounts should not be heard? Of those empire dwellers i'm pretty sure a part of those play FW and tbh FW is also broken as it is, with laggy situations and after its introduction has not had any love anymore. So its not just the lag, which for me is the biggest problem with ccp atm, but also the addition of features which don't get any attention anymore after they have been released. Yeah well maybe in 18 months from now No. You said "something useless like Walking in Stations". I replyed that it may be that more people would actually find WiS a nicer and more useful feature than lagless fleet battles. I didn't say the 70k should be ignored because they're not a majority. Actually I think it should be fixed as I also want to participate in fleet battles in the near future. And even though I'd love to see WiS I'm also concerned about all the loose ends things in EVE and I'm not sure WiS will be any better. Unfortunately it is human nature to over react. In this case, when the aspect of the game a person is most interested in begins to have issues the automatic response is "the whole game is broken"... even when that is blatantly not the case. Just as in many peoples minds... ... balance tweaks = bugs. ... their own pet vision of what they would like to see introduced/reworked = an oversight in game design. ... any expansion focus coming up that does not directly relate to their personal focus = upcoming useless feature. ... whatever petition issue they last turned in that did not get resolved in their favor = bad customer service. ... any dev response that explained the game development process as something other that what they previously believed = corporate doublespeak and lies from "the man". It's pretty hard to make significant headway against illogic like that. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:55:00 - [44] This thread is win!
Squat Hardpeck State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/07/2010 14:49:57 Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Worse article in history. Because the forum-goers count for such a large percentage of the game's population. Don't make me laugh. How does the ass of ccp smell? Cause you seem to be into it pretty deep... Because we don't have to question the validity of a thrown-together article that offers nothing other than 7-8 posts from General Discussion portraying as if that's the overall opinion of the game from the majority of the population when it aligns with our opinions! AMIRITE?
sinfulangel H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:57:00 - [46] Edited by: sinfulangel on 29/07/2010 14:57:44 I hope this is just the start and larger news entities pick up on the story. With enough bad press maybe CCP will wake up and change their direction before they follow in the footsteps of SWG. Bad press also gets to the investors and money men who likely don't read these forums. I certainly find it intriguing that a gaming company is asking for it's player base to support them in winning an award only to be laughed at and trolled at how horribly broken their game has become.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Edited by: Squat Hardpeck on 29/07/2010 14:58:41 Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/07/2010 14:49:57 Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Worse article in history. Because the forum-goers count for such a large percentage of the game's population. Don't make me laugh. How does the ass of ccp smell? Cause you seem to be into it pretty deep... Because we don't have to question the validity of a thrown-together article that offers nothing other than 7-8 posters from General Discussion portraying as if that's the overall opinion of the game from the majority of the population when it aligns with our opinions! AMIRITE? Yes this was the logic with SWG too, surely this vocal minority that has devoted so much time to this game has no clue what might be broken with it, all those players who never even visit the forums would never quit our game and all our changes, no matter how upsetting they might be, are great.
Miss Connolly Public Relations Corp	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Ranger 1 Unfortunately it is human nature to over react. In this case, when the aspect of the game a person is most interested in begins to have issues the automatic response is "the whole game is broken"... even when that is blatantly not the case. I sort of agree with you there. However (and that is an important factor to remember) fleet fights (the currently broken feature) is the main sales argument for EVE and the main motivation for most long-term players (because lets face it - highsec PVE is very boring and countless features in EVE work in 0.0 only such as Sov, Capitals, player politics and many other such things that brought EVE into the media in the past - and attracted new players). When I try and win over new people for EVE (currently not an option of course) then the main thing that impresses them is 0.0 sov warfare with its fleet fights and the fact that you build up, defend and destroy entire player run empires. Once they join and notice that they're pretty much doomed to farm extremely boring missions or buy ETC then most of them quit again. Either that or they join a 0.0 alliance. It's like if you buy a car and notice that something is broken: if it's only a small feature such as the left knob on the stereo that's a bit "sticky" then you'll probably just ignore it. On the other hand if you start driving and the wheels fall off once you go faster then 50mph then that is a little more serious and merits a different response. So the over-reaction is not so huge either. ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features." These are the people you are giving your money to.
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:10:00 - [49] Need to make Steven Colbert aware of EVEs problems =). Anyone got his number? =)
Squat Hardpeck State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:13:00 - [50] Edited by: Squat Hardpeck on 29/07/2010 15:15:12 Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Edited by: Squat Hardpeck on 29/07/2010 14:58:41 Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/07/2010 14:49:57 Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Worse article in history. Because the forum-goers count for such a large percentage of the game's population. Don't make me laugh. How does the ass of ccp smell? Cause you seem to be into it pretty deep... Because we don't have to question the validity of a thrown-together article that offers nothing other than 7-8 posters from General Discussion portraying as if that's the overall opinion of the game from the majority of the population when it aligns with our opinions! AMIRITE? Yes this was the logic with SWG too, surely this vocal minority that has devoted so much time to this game has no clue what might be broken with it, all those players who never even visit the forums would never quit our game and all our changes, no matter how upsetting they might be, are great. Exactly! Because when less than 12% of the current EVE population resides in 0.0 I can see how the majority of people who DON'T visit the forums will quit over fleet lag! And we can also compare apples to oranges when fleet lag is the cornerstone of the rage people are exhibiting to the massive amount of gameplay changes the devs were instituting in SWG to change the face of the entire game. This makes sense! And then we'll use Incarna and Dust as a counter point to what was just said only to forget that they won't affect the "Spaceshipiness" that EVE currently offers!
Prez21 D00M. Excessum Messor	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:18:00 - [51] I understand that eve doesnt revolve around the 0.0 population but i do know that eves main selling point does, people do not get interested in eve because they heard how great level 4 missions are or how that high sec mining corp stripped an entire asteriod belt, people get interested in eve because of the player driven story lines which nearly always come from the people of 0.0, just look at the media coverage of eve, it is nearly always about the huge scale wars that take place, if you deny this your just stupid or ignorant. I understand that high sec and low sec play a massive part in this game and im not trying to diminsh what these players achieve or critize there style of play, but what they need to understand is eves main selling point is pvp and it gets no bigger than 0.0 pvp, i hate blobs, i hate the banding together alliances do, so im not being biased to my style of play but what i do know is the big alliances and there wars are the biggest selling points eve has, and without these eve is nothing and if you think im wrong ask the orignal devs who were there from the start they will tell you eve was built to be harsh, dark and full of explosions, the rest is just the build up to it.
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:26:00 - [52] Actually , i just visited the sticky of CCP to vote for em for that Euro game award. Not much love there for community. So how about some of the CCP defenders from this topic move to that one and get torn apart ? Ty. Should be entertaining to read.
Plumpy McPudding Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Al3xii Actually , i just visited the sticky of CCP to vote for em for that Euro game award. Not much love there for community. So how about some of the CCP defenders from this topic move to that one and get torn apart ? Ty. Should be entertaining to read. I can see it now. 99% of the people in that thread will rage at CCP, not vote with their wallets, and continue to play the game.
Solomon XI Independent-Miners-Association Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:31:00 - [54] So how does this bode for the whole Microsoft/CCP interaction?
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:32:00 - [55] Inevitable from a certain perspective. A lot of ppl including myself bought a big chunk of time in 1 go. Money paid. And the coming back part - EVE is unique. Even broken as it is at the moment. They hope ( like my mother hoped that if she will bug me enough every day - ill quit smoking ) that if they bug CCP they might see a change for the better. Not ready to give up yet.
Squat Hardpeck State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Al3xii Inevitable from a certain perspective. A lot of ppl including myself bought a big chunk of time in 1 go. Money paid. And the coming back part - EVE is unique. Even broken as it is at the moment. They hope ( like my mother hoped that if she will bug me enough every day - ill quit smoking ) that if they bug CCP they might see a change for the better. Not ready to give up yet. See, this is a good stance to have. Something a majority of the people in the thread you mention fail to see. CCP is working to fix fleet lag and some of the bugs brought on by Tyrannis. If people actually read the dev blogs and some of the Dev's comments, they said up and down that bug fixes to these problems will be instituted leading up to and including the winter expansion.
edtheshed Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:37:00 - [57] update!!!:Linkage maybe a fix is on the way!
BBQfire	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:38:00 - [58] Originally by: Miss Connolly Originally by: Ranger 1 ... It's like if you buy a car and notice that something is broken: if it's only a small feature such as the left knob on the stereo that's a bit "sticky" then you'll probably just ignore it. On the other hand if you start driving and the wheels fall off once you go faster then 50mph then that is a little more serious and merits a different response. ... this is a great comparison! it says all.
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:41:00 - [59] Man power allocation and the "Polished product brings less money then new features" reply from a CCPs big boy, got the community stirred. Some dont trust the devs no more. I can understand why.
Mel Dareia Viziam	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:42:00 - [60] "One prominent forumite told CVG today that the game is "broken" ..." Stopped reading here because I needed to wipe some coffee off my screen. That was good, thanks!
Squat Hardpeck State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:43:00 - [61] Originally by: Al3xii Man power allocation and the "Polished product brings less money then new features" reply from a CCPs big boy, got the community stirred. Some dont trust the devs no more. I can understand why. Understandably, but they seem to disregard many of the posts CCP has made specifically saying that changes are coming to fix some of their concerns as little as a few months away. These posts came after that infamous CSM meeting notes I might add.

CCP Manifest C C P	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:51:00 - [62] Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. --CCP Manifest--

Tornim Minmatar Hades Renegades Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:53:00 - [63] That was a pretty quick turn around for CCP to do some damage control on the CVG article.
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:53:00 - [64] Quote from thread you quoted and closed: Originally by: Al3xii How many ppl have been allocated to fix the lag , opposed to the amount making Incarna, Dust and others ?
Reno Maurice	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:53:00 - [65] Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Understandably, but they seem to disregard many of the posts CCP has made specifically saying that changes are coming to fix some of their concerns as little as a few months away. These posts came after that infamous CSM meeting notes I might add. No, they have just moved to a state where words mean nothing any longer. This after many rounds of ccp hyping stuff then failing to deliver or the delivery is buggy/lacking, among other things. CCP needs to make visible long term actions to slowly build up the trust with this community, a single patch which fixes a couple of issues and then going back to business as usual wont cut it this time.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:53:00 - [66] But that doesnt let them whine and rage on the forums like self entitled man-children now does it. Now I accept that there are serious issues which need to be addressed and that ccps initial responses were less than stellar but come on, clogging up the forums with whining bull**** and pointless trolling for the best part of a month does not help your arguement people!! http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:54:00 - [67] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 29/07/2010 15:55:00
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:55:00 - [68] Originally by: CCP Manifest Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. Your damage control means nothing to us, we want results.
cotcodac The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:55:00 - [69] Originally by: CCP Manifest Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. Why bother if you lied to them anyways? You know it and we all know it that Excellence is not your no.1 priority ... not by a long shot ... it is listed at "The others" in the latest dev blog. You are aware I hope that lying won't get you guys to far...
GateScout	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:56:00 - [70] Eve is "unplayable." Jesus...no wonder CCP ignores this forums (except for some of the PR folks). I would too.
Reno Maurice	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Darek Castigatus But that doesnt let them whine and rage on the forums like self entitled man-children now does it. Now I accept that there are serious issues which need to be addressed and that ccps initial responses were less than stellar but come on, clogging up the forums with whining bull**** and pointless trolling for the best part of a month does not help your arguement people!! You should be happy people are whining and trolling! This means CCP still have time to turn this boat around! It also shows how much people care for this game, even though they might say hurtful things. The real problems will start if the community turns silent since that will be an indication of complete loss of hope, which will bring the inevitable mass-unsubscriptions and possible failcascade for CCP. Each day that people spam actually shows that people WANT this game to turn to the better!
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:00:00 - [72] Edited by: Al3xii on 29/07/2010 16:00:58 Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Originally by: Al3xii Man power allocation and the "Polished product brings less money then new features" reply from a CCPs big boy, got the community stirred. Some dont trust the devs no more. I can understand why. Understandably, but they seem to disregard many of the posts CCP has made specifically saying that changes are coming to fix some of their concerns as little as a few months away. These posts came after that infamous CSM meeting notes I might add. I am thinking that in order to claim that fixing the lag is number 1 priority - changes need to be made in the manpower allocation. Because ,if my memory serves me right, the blog showing the said allocation of personnel painted a different picture. It IS possible that CCP changed it , assigned more ppl to lag fixing after communities cries for help, thus making lag N1 issue. However i did not see a revised blog. Cause of that, CCPs posts about incoming lag fixes failed to assure the player base.
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:01:00 - [73] Originally by: CCP Manifest Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. You do realise every1 thinks less of CCP for so blatantly trying to damage control with lies
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:01:00 - [74] i think you meant misspelled "noones" as no.1 lol x My Facebook!
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:02:00 - [75] Originally by: cotcodac Originally by: CCP Manifest Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. Why bother if you lied to them anyways? You know it and we all know it that Excellence is not your no.1 priority ... not by a long shot ... it is listed at "The others" in the latest dev blog. You are aware I hope that lying won't get you guys to far... And whining like a self entitled man child is totally the way to make your opinion get taken seriously, amirite? http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
BIZZAROSTORMY	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:05:00 - [76] Confirming that I am playing EVE despite the 'fact' that it is "unplayable"
edtheshed Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:05:00 - [77] is it at all possible (however unlikely or improbable) that they will actually make it their no.1 priority? if so, maybe we can look forward to some updates of manpower adjustments in ccp
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:07:00 - [78] Originally by: CCP Manifest Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. Damage control by alliances that you try to kill is fun, cause of tears and such, damage control by a company that you pay is a whole different ball game. You can ofcourse tell such a site that you will fix it, but i want words from the ceo that more people will be allocated to fix the game, because 7 people, when previously more ppl couldn't fix it either, isn't really reassuring that all of a suden the game will be fixed again, because these 7 ppl or so will get the so called cart blanche. Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.
Darth Vapour	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:08:00 - [79] Quote: 'Currently, unsurprisingly, this effort is our No.1 development priority and we have given the specialised team carte blanche in re-attaining 1,000+ player fleet battles that EVE is famous for. Did this team push back Incarna another year or cancel it all together ?
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:08:00 - [80] Originally by: Reno Maurice Originally by: Darek Castigatus But that doesnt let them whine and rage on the forums like self entitled man-children now does it. Now I accept that there are serious issues which need to be addressed and that ccps initial responses were less than stellar but come on, clogging up the forums with whining bull** and pointless trolling for the best part of a month does not help your arguement people!! You should be happy people are whining and trolling! This means CCP still have time to turn this boat around! It also shows how much people care for this game, even though they might say hurtful things. The real problems will start if the community turns silent since that will be an indication of complete loss of hope, which will bring the inevitable mass-unsubscriptions and possible failcascade for CCP. Each day that people spam actually shows that people WANT this game to turn to the better! And thats what I origionally thought when the origional posts were well thought out, well reasoned and informative, which they were. I changed my mind when it turned into a childish game of 'who can troll CCP the hardest DERPDERPDERP' By all means keep the pressure on CCP to resolve the issue and I have much respect for those who can keep their posts civil but I am honestly sick and tired of the idiots who think forum spamming pointless bull** is an apropriate response to this situation. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Mr M 1st Republic Army	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:10:00 - [81] Originally by: edtheshed Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Linkage(eve is broken) breaking news!Linkage(fixing lag is no.1 priority) Breaking news? CCP stated two weeks ago in this devblog that they have people working on the lag. Eve Tribune\|EVEgeek\|Firebrand Radio
edtheshed Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:13:00 - [82] Originally by: Mr M Originally by: edtheshed Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Linkage(eve is broken) breaking news!Linkage(fixing lag is no.1 priority) Breaking news? CCP stated two weeks ago in this devblog that they have people working on the lag. if you actually read the article, it says they are making it their no.1 priority, and the article is new ... you just fail
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:13:00 - [83] Edited by: Al3xii on 29/07/2010 16:14:19 Originally by: Mr M Originally by: edtheshed Edited by: edtheshed on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Linkage(eve is broken) breaking news!Linkage(fixing lag is no.1 priority) Breaking news? CCP stated two weeks ago in this devblog that they have people working on the lag. the X ammount of space cowboys out of maximum of 14 developers does not make it a priority 1 , does it ? Why 14 instead of 15 ? Well, someone has to make the coffee for the rest =)
Jason1138	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:20:00 - [84] same crap here as on Zulu's thread players: "the game is broken! fix the game!" CCP: "we've always worked on the game" media: "well i guess that settles it" wat? the game is going in the wrong direction. if we hadn't had an expansion in the last 6 months it would be running smoother than it is now. all this crap about stackless IO and fleet fight in a can is smoke and mirrors; CCP is not "working on the game" in the sense that the game is improving, they are "working on the game" in the sense that they are breaking every part of it til nothing works anymore you could roll it back to dominion and simulate (supposedly) thousands of man hours of fighting fleet lag and hardware upgrades. that right there ought to tell you how much BS every official comment on this is the game at a level + lots of dev time and hardware improvements = the game at a lower level is non-sensical in the basic meaning of the term. there is no improvement at all going on in Eve right now unless you have a very short attention span if a dev could restore the function to what it was a year ago and be considered a hero then your game is not making progress
Darth Vapour	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:22:00 - [85] Carte blanche eh ? -Give TQ rewards for participating in mass lag testing on SiSi -Do a mass test every week. If that is not enough every 3 days. -Freeze all new content until lag is significantly improved -Publish weekly reports on large combat server performance so we can see any improvement
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:24:00 - [86] Originally by: Squat Hardpeck Exactly! Because when less than 12% of the current EVE population resides in 0.0 No, see illustration provided earlier as to why this figure is absolutely incorrect. Originally by: Squat Hardpeck And we can also compare apples to oranges when fleet lag is the cornerstone of the rage people are exhibiting to the massive amount of gameplay changes the devs were instituting in SWG to change the face of the entire game. SWG was broken long before the CU, CU was their attempt at fixing it, people quit. NGE was their complete abandonment of what was left of the population to draw in new blood. Without the NGE? The game would've kept shrinking anyways, in a less violent way. Tyrannis = CU You don't need violent changes to an already broken game to wreck it, it just goes quicker that way. Originally by: Squat Hardpeck This makes sense! And then we'll use Incarna and Dust as a counter point to what was just said only to forget that they won't affect the "Spaceshipiness" that EVE currently offers! Never said anything about this, I like both of them and I think they will make EVE an amazing universe, if there's anyone still playing by the time they hit retail. Judging by the quality of MMOs released for the past 10 years or so there's not going to be any replacement for EVE anytime soon, SWTOR has you grinding robots outside the jedi academy ffs. So I'm not worried, just disappoint son. But yeah, CCP can do whatever the **** they want, for those of us who like MMOs there are no other options.
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:24:00 - [87] You know, just on a whim I decided to read some of the past patch notes and I found one mention of them fixing lag (actually one mention of lag at all) in the patch notes from december 2009. Keep up the good work CCP. I'm off to tanks.
Callum545	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:35:00 - [88] So CCP are you finally gonna change your plans? FIX lag and the other old features we do not care about walking in stations or a new avatar system which i think i read was due for the winter expansion. To be honest if we have to re-design a new avatar some of the old avatars will be missed for example backdoor bandits avatar. Also 80 people jumping through a gate and OMG LAG it is embarrissing for you. Please scrap PI it is pointless
Odinegras Gallente 0utbreak Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:37:00 - [89] I think ccp needs one of these
HybridMiner Rudis Vox	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:52:00 - [90] I'll take some fixed blasters with a side of working rockets while they're at it.
Steve Celeste Overdogs HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:54:00 - [91] Old cyno effect or the bunny gets i... No wait I'm supposed to inform tech editors now. One image per signature please and limit your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. See forum rule number 3 for more information. Zymurgist
Xroxreariad Ramatarapap	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:00:00 - [92] Originally by: Callum545 So CCP are you finally gonna change your plans? FIX lag and the other old features we do not care about walking in stations or a new avatar system which i think i read was due for the winter expansion. To be honest if we have to re-design a new avatar some of the old avatars will be missed for example backdoor bandits avatar. Also 80 people jumping through a gate and OMG LAG it is embarrissing for you. Please scrap PI it is pointless Speak for yourself dude - it's "you" not "we". There are many people eager to see Ambulation, new avatars, further PI development and integration with Dust and I bet it's 10x more than you selfish little 0.0 dwellers who are unable to think about anything better than blobing each other to hell and back all day long. Stop talking like you're presenting all Eve players.
Sidephex Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:02:00 - [93] Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Speak for yourself dude - it's "you" not "we". There are many people eager to see Ambulation, new avatars, further PI development and integration with Dust and I bet it's 10x more than you selfish little 0.0 dwellers who are unable to think about anything better than blobing each other to hell and back all day long. Stop talking like you're presenting all Eve players.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:03:00 - [94] Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Originally by: Callum545 So CCP are you finally gonna change your plans? FIX lag and the other old features we do not care about walking in stations or a new avatar system which i think i read was due for the winter expansion. To be honest if we have to re-design a new avatar some of the old avatars will be missed for example backdoor bandits avatar. Also 80 people jumping through a gate and OMG LAG it is embarrissing for you. Please scrap PI it is pointless Speak for yourself dude - it's "you" not "we". There are many people eager to see Ambulation, new avatars, further PI development and integration with Dust and I bet it's 10x more than you selfish little 0.0 dwellers who are unable to think about anything better than blobing each other to hell and back all day long. Stop talking like you're presenting all Eve players. We get it, you're trolling, you're not good at it.
MyMainIsBiomass Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:04:00 - [95] 'unsurprisingly this is our top priority' Blatant fuc*ing lie. Outta here
Giovanni DalleBandeNere Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:06:00 - [96] Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Speak for yourself dude - it's "you" not "we". actually should be changed with "I" if you wanna be accurate, but as long as he doesn't speak just for himself he's right to use the "we"
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:09:00 - [97] Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 29/07/2010 17:10:02 Fixing lag is priority number one, eh? The number of developers assigned to EVE begs to differ! ****ed lying bastards. (Edit: Bastard isn't filtered? Why is *** then? Stupid inconsistency.) Ye'llo?
Hulkageddon Jackpot Amarr Hulkageddon Orphanage HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:11:00 - [98] And we should believe this bit of spin control (provided courtesy of CCP Quell's home company , a spin control team) because... ? Yeah, nice try guys, really.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:14:00 - [99] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 29/07/2010 17:14:15 Originally by: So Sensational We get it, you're trolling, you're not good at it. Might be hard for you to believe if you've been there a long time, but what goes on in 0.0 truly isn't important at all to most players. And now that your blobs aren't crashing the entire server regularly, we care even less. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Lubomir Penev TTSP.x.X.x.RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Speak for yourself dude - it's "you" not "we". There are many people eager to see Ambulation, new avatars, further PI development and integration with Dust and I bet it's 10x more than you selfish little 0.0 dwellers who are unable to think about anything better than blobing each other to hell and back all day long. Stop talking like you're presenting all Eve players. Stop acting like only fleet battles have issues. UI is a mess (both with huge usability issues and long standing bugs, I still have stargates and station flashy red on overview, a bug I experience since starting playing early 2006), ship and module balance still got huge issues (some ships and weapons not worth using, some very OP), POS are still an horrific mess (e.g. still no way for a corp to rent labs to members, POS shooting blues after each patch), corp management interface is hell and even if you could stand it no real way to protect from plenty of menaces, faction warfare and COSMOS were left to rot, API mostly left to rot... To cite only a few ones. And no hope on the horizon of those being seriously looked at. CCP doesn't really believe in maintaining code, only in cranking out new features, and this leads to a huge frustration accumulation...
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:18:00 - [101] Originally by: Jason1138 same crap here as on Zulu's thread players: "the game is broken! fix the game!" CCP: "we've always worked on the game" media: "well i guess that settles it" wat? the game is going in the wrong direction. if we hadn't had an expansion in the last 6 months it would be running smoother than it is now. all this crap about stackless IO and fleet fight in a can is smoke and mirrors; CCP is not "working on the game" in the sense that the game is improving, they are "working on the game" in the sense that they are breaking every part of it til nothing works anymore you could roll it back to dominion and simulate (supposedly) thousands of man hours of fighting fleet lag and hardware upgrades. that right there ought to tell you how much BS every official comment on this is the game at a level + lots of dev time and hardware improvements = the game at a lower level is non-sensical in the basic meaning of the term. there is no improvement at all going on in Eve right now unless you have a very short attention span if a dev could restore the function to what it was a year ago and be considered a hero then your game is not making progress Proving once again why the ability to form an opinion and post it on a forum is not considered an indicater of intelligent life. Quote: if you actually read the article, it says they are making it their no.1 priority, and the article is new I believe his point was that anyone who actually read, and understood, the DEV responses over the last few weeks already knew this. It is hardly breaking news. Those would be the same people that grasp the concept that throwing more teams of people at lag will not fix lag, throwing the "right" team of specialists and creating the tools necessary for them to isolate the problem will. The funny part is, most of the people posting about how "unplayable" EVE is are posting while playing. They know they are overstating their case, but like good little lemmings they just keep following the forum crowd. Have fun with that, I'm going to go shoot up a bunch of people in the "unplayable" game. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:19:00 - [102] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Might be hard for you to believe if you've been there a long time, but what goes on in 0.0 truly isn't important at all to most players. More accurately, what goes on in 0.0 isn't perceived as important. The fact that a lot of things empire-dwellers take for granted would just be plain gone without it is often lost, and that's the really worrying thingà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:22:00 - [103] Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 17:26:55 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 29/07/2010 17:14:15 Originally by: So Sensational We get it, you're trolling, you're not good at it. Might be hard for you to believe if you've been there a long time, but what goes on in 0.0 truly isn't important at all to most players. And now that your blobs aren't crashing the entire server regularly, we care even less. Hello, no he's genuinely trolling. Your "most players" = Not quite the truth, even if the numbers are skewered a bit in favour of the bears their entire game is driven by the null sec war machine. No 0,0? No trading, no industry, no shiny treasure (I.e. massive fleet battles, awesome territorial control wars omg lasers) at the end of the rainbow to draw in the mission bears with. Do you genuinely think that the majority of the bears would just farm day after day with no real goal afterward? It doesn't take that long to get a golem. This is of course ignoring the broken FW and low sec which are in an even worse state than the unplayable 0,0 portion. At least our mechanics are pretty decent. edit: I'll post cross post this image from the other thread here to illustrate why you're wrong, this discussion always comes up in every single MMO, and there's always the valiant defenders of the so called "silent minority" (a.k.a always the one who's views opposes the more vocal one) who point out that we Pew Pew heroes of the MMO community really don't have much weight. Fortunately that is simply untrue in EVE.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:27:00 - [104] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Speak for yourself dude - it's "you" not "we". There are many people eager to see Ambulation, new avatars, further PI development and integration with Dust and I bet it's 10x more than you selfish little 0.0 dwellers who are unable to think about anything better than blobing each other to hell and back all day long. Stop talking like you're presenting all Eve players. Stop acting like only fleet battles have issues. UI is a mess (both with huge usability issues and long standing bugs, I still have stargates and station flashy red on overview, a bug I experience since starting playing early 2006), ship and module balance still got huge issues (some ships and weapons not worth using, some very OP), POS are still an horrific mess (e.g. still no way for a corp to rent labs to members, POS shooting blues after each patch), corp management interface is hell and even if you could stand it no real way to protect from plenty of menaces, faction warfare and COSMOS were left to rot, API mostly left to rot... To cite only a few ones. And no hope on the horizon of those being seriously looked at. CCP doesn't really believe in maintaining code, only in cranking out new features, and this leads to a huge frustration accumulation... You have a laundry list of balance tweaks and interface tweaks you would like to see. None of which is remotely close to game breaking. Thank you for proving most of my previous points in one post. By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:33:00 - [105] Originally by: Ranger 1 By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. So was the team working on the rocket and blaster fix, game balancing and other No. 1 development priorities. From a mind blowing 0 people to the amazing amount of 0x3 people. For the next 18 months these hard working individuals will ensure that all your needs are met.
sinfulangel H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:39:00 - [106] Edited by: sinfulangel on 29/07/2010 17:43:33 Edited by: sinfulangel on 29/07/2010 17:43:01 Originally by: CCP Manifest Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. Bull**** damage control response. Of course your going to say it's your #1 priority to the press, problem is the evidence. By your own companies blog and statements from lead developers we know where your priorities lay and it sure as hell isn't EvE "excellence". Ninja Edit - Your BS "Request for Comment" was a canned response from a PR company. We aren't dumb.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:54:00 - [107] Originally by: So Sensational Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 17:26:55 Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 29/07/2010 17:14:15 Originally by: So Sensational We get it, you're trolling, you're not good at it. Might be hard for you to believe if you've been there a long time, but what goes on in 0.0 truly isn't important at all to most players. And now that your blobs aren't crashing the entire server regularly, we care even less. Hello, no he's genuinely trolling. Your "most players" = Not quite the truth, even if the numbers are skewered a bit in favour of the bears their entire game is driven by the null sec war machine. No 0,0? No trading, no industry, no shiny treasure (I.e. massive fleet battles, awesome territorial control wars omg lasers) at the end of the rainbow to draw in the mission bears with. Do you genuinely think that the majority of the bears would just farm day after day with no real goal afterward? It doesn't take that long to get a golem. This is of course ignoring the broken FW and low sec which are in an even worse state than the unplayable 0,0 portion. At least our mechanics are pretty decent. edit: I'll post cross post this image from the other thread here to illustrate why you're wrong, this discussion always comes up in every single MMO, and there's always the valiant defenders of the so called "silent minority" (a.k.a always the one who's views opposes the more vocal one) who point out that we Pew Pew heroes of the MMO community really don't have much weight. Fortunately that is simply untrue in EVE. You do realize that most of the deaths generated in 0.0 on a daily basis come from small group engagements, not large fleet battles. In fact, large 0.0 engagements rarely account for more deaths than empire wars do. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Xroxreariad Ramatarapap	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:57:00 - [108] Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 29/07/2010 17:57:37 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Professor Tarantula Might be hard for you to believe if you've been there a long time, but what goes on in 0.0 truly isn't important at all to most players. More accurately, what goes on in 0.0 isn't perceived as important. The fact that a lot of things empire-dwellers take for granted would just be plain gone without it is often lost, and that's the really worrying thingà You almost sound like Empire players should be thankful to that small yet annoyingly loud portion of playerbase carebearing out in 0.0, or perhaps you are trying to imply that people in high/lowsec corps are so stupid that they would be hopelessly lost if current 0.0 ~~NAP hugging bandwagon~~ powerblocks are gone?
Callum545	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:58:00 - [109] Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Originally by: Callum545 So CCP are you finally gonna change your plans? FIX lag and the other old features we do not care about walking in stations or a new avatar system which i think i read was due for the winter expansion. To be honest if we have to re-design a new avatar some of the old avatars will be missed for example backdoor bandits avatar. Also 80 people jumping through a gate and OMG LAG it is embarrissing for you. Please scrap PI it is pointless Speak for yourself dude - it's "you" not "we". There are many people eager to see Ambulation, new avatars, further PI development and integration with Dust and I bet it's 10x more than you selfish little 0.0 dwellers who are unable to think about anything better than blobing each other to hell and back all day long. Stop talking like you're presenting all Eve players. lol ok who wants to see walking in stations when it will probably not work anyway. Oh and on a side note I think it Is "WE" have you not read the threads about everyone complainging about lag and old features not fully developed or fixed. So yeah "WE" would rather have a working game then new features that are also not working
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:03:00 - [110] Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Ranger 1 By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. So was the team working on the rocket and blaster fix, game balancing and other No. 1 development priorities. From a mind blowing 0 people to the amazing amount of 0x3 people. For the next 18 months these hard working individuals will ensure that all your needs are met. Interesting, if somewhat remedial, response. Actually, they had one person working on UI redesign previously (yes, not enough) and now have 3. That information is cleverly hidden in this thing they call a Dev Blog. Lets look at what I posted before I was selectively quoted: Quote: You have a laundry list of balance tweaks and interface tweaks you would like to see. None of which is remotely close to game breaking. So nice of you to prove me right again. Many thanks. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:15:00 - [111] Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 18:16:28 Originally by: Ranger 1 You do realize that most of the deaths generated in 0.0 on a daily basis come from small group engagements, not large fleet battles. In fact, large 0.0 engagements rarely account for more deaths than empire wars do. The stats, they sound like facts. What are "large fleets" and "small groups" in this scenario and can you back up your claims with some sort of proof? Even if it was true it is not a very relevant statement. It's not the amount of deaths that matter, it's decisive engagements that end up getting you camped in a station, losing your SOV, morale drops and so on, and when lag breaks that there's no incentive to participate in anything else. Lag is quickly growing into a universal problem, I've started having massive jump timers even on my own, people are having trouble logging in, people can't engage in the so called "small group engagements" which you deem so important. Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Ranger 1 By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. So was the team working on the rocket and blaster fix, game balancing and other No. 1 development priorities. From a mind blowing 0 people to the amazing amount of 0x3 people. For the next 18 months these hard working individuals will ensure that all your needs are met. Quote: Interesting, if somewhat remedial, response. Actually, they had one person working on UI redesign previously (yes, not enough) and now have 3. That information is cleverly hidden in this thing they call a Dev Blog. Yeah I saw, fantastic, maybe we can get a new updated window more than once every 7 years. The fitting screen that one dude managed to push through was quite an improvement. Quote: You have a laundry list of balance tweaks and interface tweaks you would like to see. None of which is remotely close to game breaking. Does a broken headlight make a car useless? No? How about a broken headlight and a punctured wheel? No you can still drive I guess. How about a broken headlight, a punctured wheel, a stereo that only plays country music, a muffler that doesn't muffle, a steering wheel that only turns in one direction? You see, they're not "game breaking" but I sure as hell wouldn't drive that **ing car if I there was any other car on the market. Collectively they don't make for a very great driving experience. With that being said, at least we have new rims and neon lights on the way. - MMO player tired of being **ed in the ass. Angerrageragetroll?ragerageangr
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:24:00 - [112] Ranger1 , are u Boxxy ?
Jordan Musgrat H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:28:00 - [113] Originally by: CCP Manifest Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. Ah, so you are the one who blatantly lied to the press about your commitment to this game? You have spent lots of money telling the CSM that you will not be able to attend to core features for 18 months, that the majority of your devs are not working on EvE, and yous till have the stupidity to try to tell the press that EvE is a #1 priority? I have news for you. You blatantly lied to the press to try to cover this up, and that infuriates me much more than you not caring. You are a terrible PR person, someone needs to fire you. I'm going to try to get ahold of whoever posted the original article and point them to the places where you stated you're not really working on eve online for 18 more months. You do realize, it's in writing, right? On this very site? I do hope you get alot of bad press, and yes, I'm taking time out of my day to do this. If only you'd take time out of your miserable day to fix lag. Ya that's right. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:30:00 - [114] All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? This is clearly a signature.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:32:00 - [115] Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws.
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:32:00 - [116] Jordan. There is still a chance that the CCP revised the manpower and EVEs lag is INDEED the N1 priority. And that they just didnt tell us about that change yet. Thats what i am hoping for for the next several days =)
NereSky Gallente Domination.	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:34:00 - [117] well not suprised tbh, CCP doesnt listen and will always come up with half thought out ideas and never actually finishes them. time they spent a little money on customer service and fixing issues that have been around since day 1 than add shiny bits that dont work
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:36:00 - [118] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Originally by: CCP Manifest Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. Ah, so you are the one who blatantly lied to the press about your commitment to this game? You have spent lots of money telling the CSM that you will not be able to attend to core features for 18 months, that the majority of your devs are not working on EvE, and yous till have the stupidity to try to tell the press that EvE is a #1 priority? I have news for you. You blatantly lied to the press to try to cover this up, and that infuriates me much more than you not caring. You are a terrible PR person, someone needs to fire you. I'm going to try to get ahold of whoever posted the original article and point them to the places where you stated you're not really working on eve online for 18 more months. You do realize, it's in writing, right? On this very site? I do hope you get alot of bad press, and yes, I'm taking time out of my day to do this. If only you'd take time out of your miserable day to fix lag. Ya that's right. And people wonder why ccp doesnt pay much attention to the forums. How is what CCP said any different from any statement made by a major company when anything goes wrong and gets publicised EVER. Yes they try to put a positive light on it, THATS WHAT PR ****ING IS YOU MINDLESS MORON!! http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
ProContractor	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:37:00 - [119] " CCP: Fixing Eve Online lag is 'No.1 priority' " it should be " CCP: Making money off a broken Eve Online is 'No.1 priority'
Nardman	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:39:00 - [120] After reading their response, I wonder, is CCP lying to MSN or lying to us?
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:40:00 - [121] Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? Speak for urself. Ill miss em. I would rather have them, then an EVE world populated by insects like u , who eat crap and ask for seconds. Mindless drone.
Jagged Bluetooth	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:41:00 - [122] Since DT yesterday I have had horrendous lag ! Sort it out eve for crying out loud man...you guys are robbing us. WE pay the equiv of a game in the shops per month and so we should be getting the quality and service ....I notice a few thousand post here . All the tinkering you are doing to the actual game and failing quality and general disregard for us...tsk tsk sort it out or eve will become what you are trying to make it another kiddies game like WOW. P.S. Diablo 3 is out soon ..oopsie
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:42:00 - [123] Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws. Which means its not broken, which is my point. This is clearly a signature.
Zelda Wei	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:45:00 - [124] Official ? Some irrelevant blogger, quotes some irrelevant forum troll, about some irrelevant battle in some irrelevant backwater, where here some irrelevant suffered some irrelevant lag. HTFU.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:47:00 - [125] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 29/07/2010 18:47:07 Originally by: Al3xii Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? Speak for urself. Ill miss em. I would rather have them, then an EVE world populated by insects like u , who eat crap and ask for seconds. Mindless drone. Insects like me who read the dev blogs and understand that they are working on the issue, that they are spending money on the issue. Then come back to the forums and report it for peolpe either too lazy to read them or unable to comprehend. Your personal insults are **ing pathetic for the record. Learn to read or ** off. This is clearly a signature.
Nardman	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:48:00 - [126] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws. Which means its not broken, which is my point. Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:51:00 - [127] Originally by: Nardman Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws. Which means its not broken, which is my point. Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth. Happily, large fleet battles are not the only thing worth doing (even strictly looking at PVP) in EVE. And yes, some of us participate in those same battles every day and still say you have tunnel vision. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Flaming Lemming Caldari Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:52:00 - [128] looks like the news is spreading Quote: This morning CCP issued a statement to CVG, indicating that fixing the lag in large fleet battles was a top priority for the dev team. "'CCP has invested significant time and resources throughout EVE's history on increasing the performance of fleet fights. We've always had a team of developers devoted to improving our technology and in recent years we made exponential headway through massive server upgrades and initiatives like "Stackless IO". 'Currently, unsurprisingly, this effort is our No.1 development priority and we have given the specialised team carte blanche in re-attaining 1,000+ player fleet battles that EVE is famous for." It's damage control, of course, but at least now the developer is committed to fixing the problem. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:52:00 - [129] Originally by: Nardman Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle... Some people, including myself, are not so much into that kind of playstyle. Having said that, NOBODY liked to hear the 18 months message - I think high seccers, low seccers and 0.0 folks agree here. Also, I do understand the 0.0 fleet folks rage. After all, CCP advertises the huge fleet battles, so they should work.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:53:00 - [130] Originally by: MyMainIsBiomass It's not just the lag though. It's their refusal to fix numerous other issues. True but lag is the biggest issue of all by far,. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:54:00 - [131] Originally by: Cipher Jones troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll troooooollllallalalatroll --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
leboe Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:55:00 - [132] http://kotaku.com/5599803/eve-solicits-player-support-players-solicit-lag-fix look Ma, my quote is on kotaku! (also sent to destructoid, who are a way better newsite IMO) Quote: "The fact is: in December 2009, the game could support 1000 players in a single battle. In the winter 2009 expansion, performance decreased because of new features involving fleet organization. However they never rolled back the changes and instead of kept going forward with more new features that layer new problems on top of old. This cycle is to continue for the next 18 months while CCP works through their planned new feature pipeline."
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:55:00 - [133] http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1358978 I think the above topic is the perfect example of a case where one stubborn person sees an issue and refuses to budge. It kind of sums up the whole "is eve broken?" argument. To the creater of the above topic, a part of Eve is broken. To the vast majority of us we think the operation is perfectly acceptible. This is not to say that there may be room for improvement, but it still is perfectly acceptible and we would rather see time spent on other issues we feel are more important to us. if you want another example, look at the request for no loot drops... again, a small minority has an opinion, but to the vast majority of us, it's a non-issue. So as much as you may feel your slice of Eve heaven is broken, well, some of us don't care. Some of us feel our slice is also broken, but should take precedence, and some of us just want new features instead. Does this mean CCP is only listening to one group? No. They are stuck trying to balance appeasing the most people, ensuring a stead stream of revenue to keep the company and game going and making a profit, and doing what they enjoy, which if I had to guess is expanding the content of the game more and more with each expansion. Will some people get it wrong and argue the game is broken because of few issues they see? Yes. WIll others jump on that bandwagon in the hopes of getting support for thier issue or perhaps generating a bit of ratings buzz with articles like this to bring in revenue from advertisers, perhaps. However, the end result is CCP is trying, stuck doing a balancing act, so really, either accept it, keep pushing to have the features you like fixed, but just don't be surprised when others disagree with you. It's how pretty much anything involving a lot of people will work.
EndersSoul	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:55:00 - [134] Originally by: Nardman After reading their response, I wonder, is CCP lying to MSN or lying to us? Both ??? 18 months is joke Currently CCP is more interested in increase the player base releasing any "shiny toy" that could attract more $$$$ , than in fix the game for customers already paying :(
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:57:00 - [135] Originally by: Cipher Jones Edited by: Cipher Jones on 29/07/2010 18:47:07 Originally by: Al3xii Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? Speak for urself. Ill miss em. I would rather have them, then an EVE world populated by insects like u , who eat crap and ask for seconds. Mindless drone. Insects like me who read the dev blogs and understand that they are working on the issue, that they are spending money on the issue. Then come back to the forums and report it for peolpe either too lazy to read them or unable to comprehend. Your personal insults are **ing pathetic for the record. Learn to read or ** off. CCP claims that the lag is their number one priority. Dev blog shows that the man power allocation for lag drops down to the "other" category consisting of 15 devs in total ( 70 devs for incarna ) So even if i am to assume that the entire "other" category is fixing the lag ( and we know thats not the case ) - Incarna is STILL number one priority hands down. So are u going to start using that gray matter of urs , or keep on clicking ur mandibles? How about he famous 18 months quote?
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:58:00 - [136] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws. Which means its not broken, which is my point. Turn off your mining macro and try some endgame. Less talky more shooty.
Syn Callibri Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:59:00 - [137] I dont understand what you're complaining and whining about...CCP gave carte blanche to the lag team and viola...LAG is working as expected! (please note the sarcasm) Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Tribe
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:00:00 - [138] YESSSS!!!! IT'S OFFICIAL!!!! I kept thinking it was all in my imagination.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:03:00 - [139] Originally by: Nardman Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws. Which means its not broken, which is my point. Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth. Oh so because fleet battles with thousands of people lag the entire game is broken? Give me a break. This is clearly a signature.
Deva Blackfire LOST IDEA C0VEN	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:05:00 - [140] Originally by: Cipher Jones Im an idiot Yep, you are.
Nardman	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:06:00 - [141] Originally by: Ranger 1 Happily, large fleet battles are not the only thing worth doing (even strictly looking at PVP) in EVE. And yes, some of us participate in those same battles every day and still say you have tunnel vision. I agree, it's not the only thing worth doing in EvE by a long shot, but CCP advertised and promoted these huge fleet battles and a move to 0.0 with Dominion (which coincidentally was the update that nearly destroyed these things). You say you've participated in real fleet fights, so can I assume you've also experienced the 1, 2, 3, 4+ hours of staring at a black screen waiting for something to load, only to find your ship had been destroyed 5 minutes after "jumping in"? Everyone has read about situations like large cap fleets being destroyed hours after the players piloting the caps had logged off, or the NC's recent ghost ship event that created multiple copies of the same ships because of the lag. I don't see how anyone can claim that the aforementioned situations is part of a game that is working properly.
Jordan Musgrat H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:08:00 - [142] Edited by: Jordan Musgrat on 29/07/2010 19:12:07 Edited by: Jordan Musgrat on 29/07/2010 19:08:30 I sent the original author this: Hello, I thought I'd take the time to share a few things with you. Contrary to what the CCP representative told you, CCP is not making EvE online its #1 priority. I guess if you can have about ten #1 priorities, once of which has less than a fourth of the total development team working on it, then you could claim that it is a #1 priority. CCP has stated that it will be 18 months from now, at the earliest, that they will be able to actively give a good amount of attention to our game. Until then, they are working on new "features," which most of the playerbase does not care about and which is simply another time sink. For example, think if part of a game was mining. You click a button to setup some mines, you click another button to setup some silos where the minerals can go, and you go afk for a few hours. If you want to mine efficiently, you must come back to the game very few hours and click the empty silo button to not have the mines stop because of a mineral overflow. You do this several times a day, every day of the week, and at the end of the week, you will have made as much isk as you could have in 2-4 hours in most other ingame professions. Planetary Interaction right now is broken, halfway implemented, and useless. That would be ok, because we know CCP is going to fix it soon. After all, they have more people working on this one minigame than the whole of eve online. But when CCP talks of things like stackless I/O, and their server upgrades, there's one thing you need to understand. Those things did work, and they worked beautifully. Until December of 2009, when CCP introduced a new patch that not only reversed the progress we saw from those changes, but it made it far worse. Of course with CCP's coding structure, lag will never be solved completely. When they make lag better, all they are doing is raising the limit on how many players can interact before lag starts to get bad again. The problem is that sometimes we cannot even have 50 v 50 fights anymore. Before December 09, we were placing more than 1,000 people into a single system and having actual fights, and we could work with the amount of lag that came our way. But now, the game is nearly unplayable at the alliance level. People are loathe to attack each other in force, and when someone does attack, all the other guy has to do is stick 500 people in the system beforehand, so that anyone jumping into the system will lag out and die before their client is even able to respond to what's shooting them. Anyways, the main point was that CCP is in fact not making it their #1 priority to fix lag, and they have stated this to their playerbase upon multiple occasions, in writing, on their website. If you'd like to read more about what CCP's playerbase is saying about CCP's commitment to fixing lag, here is one of the largest community forums, and a thread on the subject. http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=35803 CCP pays for a group of people, called the CSM, to come to Iceland and talk with them about features, and the playerbase's concerns once a year. This year one of the main concerns was that CCP needed to fix existing features before working on other things. Here is a direct quote from the CSM meeting minutes: "Discussion then focused on an apparent drive by CCP to add new features instead of improving existing ones. CCP stated that once Incarna and Planetary Interaction/Dust 514 are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features." Does that sound like CCP's #1 priority is fixing the current state of the server? No. It sounds like in 18 months, after Dust/Incarna are implemented, they will give it a look. Also, here is EvE's senior producer being stupid enough to actually tell us how few people are working on fixing lag. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777 Here's a summary: First off, Incarna (9 teams, approximately 70 developers) Dust 514/EVE link (1 team, approximately 7 developers) In-space features (3 teams, approximately 22 developers) EVE Gate (1 team, approximately 10 developers) The others! (4 teams, approximately 15 developers) You can read what we had to say about this in the comments on the dev blog. They're not very happy thoughts I'll warn you. So I'm done now, I just wanted to ensure that you knew that the statement you published, CCP's response, was a complete and utter lie. Fixing the game is not CCP's #1 priority. If it was, they wouldn't have 87 developers working on something else, 22 working on artwork and new features, and 15 working on EvE's existing core. Signed, One bitter vet ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:10:00 - [143] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/07/2010 13:43:02 Originally by: Pennwisedom You do know you just did the same thing right? No he didn't? yes he did, ...majority of players in fact...see the word fact there, he's assuming most people would rather see WiS instead of fixing fleet lag, while i'm assuming most people will find WiS useless and would rather see the lag fixed before new major content is added. No, he didn't. He said "I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of players" which is a world away from saying "no one wants this". If you're going to argue your own point, you should probably think about using basic logic AND reading comprehension. .
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:11:00 - [144] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 29/07/2010 19:13:52 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Cipher Jones troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll troooooollllallalalatroll The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code. People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted. If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll. Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic. Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Cipher Jones Im an idiot Yep, you are. I used information released by CCP and you used insults. The only thing that makes me an idiot is trying to talk to people who take the word of an outside forum quoting forum accounts over the word of the people who actually develop the game. This is clearly a signature.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:11:00 - [145] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? And go where? This is the only MMO worth playing, despite it's flaws. Which means its not broken, which is my point. Monopoly =/= Perfect product. Get out, your points suck.
Jordan Musgrat H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:14:00 - [146] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Cipher Jones troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll troooooollllallalalatroll The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code. People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted. If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll. Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic. It's not just the lag, there's many things in the core of the game that CCP has said they'll fix but still haven't. There's alot more to this than the lag, it's all existing features. Many were implemented halfway done, or are you really that new to the game? But yes, lag is our main priority, and you cannot tell me that the servers wouldn't benefit from more than 5 or 10 people looking for the cause of the lag. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
Nardman	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:14:00 - [147] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Nardman Originally by: Cipher Jones Which means its not broken, which is my point. Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth. Oh so because fleet battles with thousands of people lag the entire game is broken? Give me a break. Again: Originally by: Nardman Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth. Come experience how screwed up it is, THEN you can comment on whether it's broken or not. Oh and this doesn't just happen with thousands of people in system, it's happened with hundreds, and even once in a while with only tens of people.
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:16:00 - [148] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 29/07/2010 19:16:06 Originally by: Cipher Jones The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code. People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted. If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll. Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic. Cipher, there is a mass of 0.0 folks out there with pitchforks in their hands. To them the game is broken. To you or me it may not be, but that is unlikely to interest them much. Personally I am worried about the 18 months statement most. I hope CCP rethinks that strategy.
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:16:00 - [149] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Cipher Jones troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll troooooollllallalalatroll The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code. People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted. If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll. Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic. CCP claims lag is number 1 priority. CCP assigned unknown number of space cowboys ( from 1 to 15 ) to fix the issue. Incarna gets 70. How is the lag number 1 priority? If u are not here to troll - give me a logical response.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:23:00 - [150] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 29/07/2010 19:16:06 Originally by: Cipher Jones The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code. People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted. If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll. Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic. Cipher, there is a mass of 0.0 folks out there with pitchforks in their hands. To them the game is broken. To you or me it may not be, but that is unlikely to interest them much. Personally I am worried about the 18 months statement most. I hope CCP rethinks that strategy. Thats the thing, large fleet battles are broken, not 0.0, not pvp in 0.0, not the whole game. If you think the number of people working on a certain project vs. the number of people working on another project is indicative of resources being spent, you probably never worked for a large company before. The R&D department at Intel and the legal department at Intel are both (each) bigger than all of engineering and manufacturing put together. They make great chips. This is clearly a signature.
Drago Katsov Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:24:00 - [151] lol nice damage control there CCP. Even though it was a complete lie
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:24:00 - [152] Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? Pretty much this. People need to vote with their wallets and stop emo-raging like children on the forums. When the NGE hit SWG, I stuck around for a while until I realised that I hated the new system and no matter what emotional bond I had formed with that game in 3 years of playing, it was time for me to go. So I cancelled my 4 accounts and, with the exception of the "we've fixed it, come back and see" offers, I've never been back. THAT is how you express dissatisfaction to a MMOG Publisher, not crying like children on the forums. .
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:26:00 - [153] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? Pretty much this. People need to vote with their wallets and stop emo-raging like children on the forums. When the NGE hit SWG, I stuck around for a while until I realised that I hated the new system and no matter what emotional bond I had formed with that game in 3 years of playing, it was time for me to go. So I cancelled my 4 accounts and, with the exception of the "we've fixed it, come back and see" offers, I've never been back. THAT is how you express dissatisfaction to a MMOG Publisher, not crying like children on the forums. Yeah how did that work out for you? THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, AMAZING RESULTS! SoE is larger than ever, SWG is still **, good **ing job.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:27:00 - [154] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Cipher Jones troll troll trolly trolltrolltroll troll feed me i'm hungry. i am a starving troll troooooollllallalalatroll The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code. People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted. If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll. Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic. It's not just the lag, there's many things in the core of the game that CCP has said they'll fix but still haven't. There's alot more to this than the lag, it's all existing features. Many were implemented halfway done, or are you really that new to the game? But yes, lag is our main priority, and you cannot tell me that the servers wouldn't benefit from more than 5 or 10 people looking for the cause of the lag. Actually, yes he can. So can anyone else that knows anything about this type of work. You have put in a nutshell the entire false premise than 99% of the people complaining about lag are spewing on the forums currently. Yes, more people are working on Incarna. Incarna requires the input of a huge and diverse group of specialists, none of which are qualified to work on lag issues. A 5 to 10 man specialist team working on the lag issues in EVE is dangerously close to a serious case of diminshing returns as it is. If you put your best team of specialists on a project that involves probing deeping into the underlying code of EVE, you have made that issue a priority. How many graphic artists you have working on visuals and lighting algorithms for a future expansion is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have your best team, skilled in the particular issue you are trying to resolve, working together to come up with a solution. These folks have the skills, they could be working on other aspects of EVE's code instead, but instead are devoting a significant portion of their time to a serious issue. Not really sure how you can keep missing the point on this one. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Nardman	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:27:00 - [155] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 29/07/2010 19:16:06 Originally by: Cipher Jones The facts of the matter have been stated over and over, and everybody who wants to understand does. Its a cpu load issue, there's only 2 possible fixes, code and hardware. they have people dedicated to fixing the code. People saw the "18 months" and "only 1 team" and put 2 and 2 together and got whatever they wanted. If you call it trolling because I took the time to read the dev blogs and explain the problem over and over then what does that make you? What constructive help did you give anyone? Please quote it here, I would love to see you serious, professional suggestions. If you haven't made any you obviously a troll. Anyway like I said the information is out there and anyone who feels CCP's game is broken but continues to play eludes logic. Cipher, there is a mass of 0.0 folks out there with pitchforks in their hands. To them the game is broken. To you or me it may not be, but that is unlikely to interest them much. Personally I am worried about the 18 months statement most. I hope CCP rethinks that strategy. Thats the thing, large fleet battles are broken, not 0.0, not pvp in 0.0, not the whole game. If you think the number of people working on a certain project vs. the number of people working on another project is indicative of resources being spent, you probably never worked for a large company before. The R&D department at Intel and the legal department at Intel are both (each) bigger than all of engineering and manufacturing put together. They make great chips. Until you've experienced it, your arguments are meaningless.
Thresh Avery Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:30:00 - [156] Originally by: Atticus Fynch YESSSS!!!! IT'S OFFICIAL!!!! I kept thinking it was all in my imagination. Erm, it is your imagination. CCP have stated nothing new here. They just omitted the part where "fixing current issues" is not actually something they plan to do on any scale for the next 18 months. It's called damage control. Or rather lying.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:33:00 - [157] Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? Pretty much this. People need to vote with their wallets and stop emo-raging like children on the forums. When the NGE hit SWG, I stuck around for a while until I realised that I hated the new system and no matter what emotional bond I had formed with that game in 3 years of playing, it was time for me to go. So I cancelled my 4 accounts and, with the exception of the "we've fixed it, come back and see" offers, I've never been back. THAT is how you express dissatisfaction to a MMOG Publisher, not crying like children on the forums. Yeah how did that work out for you? THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, AMAZING RESULTS! SoE is larger than ever, SWG is still **, good **ing job. You're so caught up in your sandy vagina that you're missing the point. The game I wanted to play was broken by the developers and they weren't going to fix it, and as a mature adult with reasoning ability, I knew that posting on the forums, stamping my feet and crying like a child wasn't going to make them change their minds, so I stopped paying them. If my ISP was giving me a service I was unhappy with, I would stop paying them too. Crying about it doesn't change anything. CCP absolutely need to fix this and have been working on it. I have personally been to 3 mass tests on Singularity to help with the effort to figure this out - how many times did you go, or were you too busy posting vitriolic crap on the forums about how they weren't doing anything to fix it? .
Jordan Musgrat H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:33:00 - [158] Originally by: Ranger 1 Actually, yes he can. So can anyone else that knows anything about this type of work. You have put in a nutshell the entire false premise than 99% of the people complaining about lag are spewing on the forums currently. Yes, more people are working on Incarna. Incarna requires the input of a huge and diverse group of specialists, none of which are qualified to work on lag issues. A 5 to 10 man specialist team working on the lag issues in EVE is dangerously close to a serious case of diminshing returns as it is. If you put your best team of specialists on a project that involves probing deeping into the underlying code of EVE, you have made that issue a priority. How many graphic artists you have working on visuals and lighting algorithms for a future expansion is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have your best team, skilled in the particular issue you are trying to resolve, working together to come up with a solution. These folks have the skills, they could be working on other aspects of EVE's code instead, but instead are devoting a significant portion of their time to a serious issue. Not really sure how you can keep missing the point on this one. That's absolutely laughable. I'm not sure why you're so interested in defending CCP over anything else. First, you miss the point of my post which was it's not just the lag, it's the existing features. Second, I know very well that you could put 20 people on analyzing the code changes from before december 09 and after, analyzing the results from fleet tests, and analyzing code in general, trying to figure out what is the bottleneck here. Don't try to tell me that only 5 people can work on fixing lag. There were many more working on it at one time, CCP could confirm this if they wanted to. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
DeathWishDemon	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:34:00 - [159] Ok the lag is gettin worse soon we will be fighting in small fights like we was flyin through jita on rush hour on weekend we pay to play this game why aint ccp or eula listening to ppl instead of assuming what they are doin gis right
Eshestun Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:36:00 - [160] What we need to see is a Dev blog with time lines and actual promises. Not some overly vague press release that contradicts concise statements that they have previously made. I don't think anyone denies the fact that this will take time to shift priorities and fix it, but we deserve some sort of action plan that will give us a reason to keep playing.
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:38:00 - [161] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? Pretty much this. People need to vote with their wallets and stop emo-raging like children on the forums. When the NGE hit SWG, I stuck around for a while until I realised that I hated the new system and no matter what emotional bond I had formed with that game in 3 years of playing, it was time for me to go. So I cancelled my 4 accounts and, with the exception of the "we've fixed it, come back and see" offers, I've never been back. THAT is how you express dissatisfaction to a MMOG Publisher, not crying like children on the forums. 3 accounts canceled, 2 currently inactive, the last goes inactive in 23 hours. I will use those remaining hours to ***** and moan about these issues. Got a problem with that? Tell me to quit. That'll learn me.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:39:00 - [162] Originally by: Monkey Saturday 3 accounts canceled, 2 currently inactive, the last goes inactive in 23 hours. I will use those remaining hours to ***** and moan about these issues. Got a problem with that? Tell me to quit. That'll learn me. hey, good for you, you voted with your wallet like a responsible consumer not happy with a product/service he's being charged for. Enjoy your 23 hours of emo-time. .
FunnySovietSpy	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:40:00 - [163] 3 accounts canceled, 2 currently inactive, the last goes inactive in 23 hours. I will use those remaining hours to ***** and moan about these issues. Got a problem with that? Tell me to quit. That'll learn me. Can i have your stuff?
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:40:00 - [164] Edited by: Monkey Saturday on 29/07/2010 19:40:43 Am doing so thanks. Most fun I've had in eve since dominion was shat out. edit. Stuff already given away. sorry.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:42:00 - [165] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Cipher Jones All you people that cry constantly about things like this but stay make me laugh. Biomass and quit now if that's how you feel. Its a free market and that's how it works. We wont miss you and I don't want you stuff. Bye. Still here, really? Pretty much this. People need to vote with their wallets and stop emo-raging like children on the forums. When the NGE hit SWG, I stuck around for a while until I realised that I hated the new system and no matter what emotional bond I had formed with that game in 3 years of playing, it was time for me to go. So I cancelled my 4 accounts and, with the exception of the "we've fixed it, come back and see" offers, I've never been back. THAT is how you express dissatisfaction to a MMOG Publisher, not crying like children on the forums. Yeah how did that work out for you? THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, AMAZING RESULTS! SoE is larger than ever, SWG is still **, good ing job. You're so caught up in your sandy vagina that you're missing the point. The game I wanted to play was broken by the developers and they weren't going to fix it, and as a mature adult with reasoning ability, I knew that posting on the forums, stamping my feet and crying like a child wasn't going to make them change their minds, so I stopped paying them. If my ISP was giving me a service I was unhappy with, I would stop paying them too. Crying about it doesn't change anything. CCP absolutely need to fix this and have been working on it. I have personally been to 3 mass tests on Singularity to help with the effort to figure this out - how many times did you go, or were you too busy posting vitriolic crap on the forums about how they weren't doing anything to fix it? SoE =/= CCP, these guys actually do care about or stamping feat and tears. Especially when there is a lot of it. I haven't been to a single mass test, I have better things to spend my time on than to fix something I'm paying for and I much prefer posting vitriolic crap. Please don't say "Well if you don't try to help with fixing it you deserve what you get". I don't, you, I'm a costumer not a Q&A employee. I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of **ing capitalism. The thing is, eventually there's going to be competition assuming MMOs remain popular. My entitlement comes in the form of a product that delivers more than this one does, free market style. Until then I'll keep raging and fueling the flames, hoping it will make CCP do something.
Thresh Avery Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:45:00 - [166] Originally by: Pesky LaRue hey, good for you, you voted with your wallet like a responsible consumer not happy with a product/service he's being charged for. Enjoy your 23 hours of emo-time. You are naive to think an ISP service and MMO account are the same. However, i respect your ability to cancel accounts due to dissatisfaction. The truth is, there's two ways of doing it. And although the whining may seem childish to you, don't you think CCP's marketing department are capable of deceiving their playerbase and will cave if the situation gets too uncomfortable? I mean, tbh, we're not even asking for that much. Just a bit of dedication and a respectable timeframe we can expect results in that means they actually care, not running around with a boner for Incarna and Dust. There's no release date on those things, let them wait.
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:49:00 - [167] Originally by: So Sensational I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of ****ing capitalism. Oh yeah... cause the whole suite of Windows operating systems are a bastion of reliability aren't they. And hey Toyota's doing a great job too! Give me a break! Yeah, if someone comes along with a competing product, maybe, maybe you'll switch and it will be worth it. However, an enormous number of products prove you completely wrong on this claim.
Tom Peeping	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:51:00 - [168] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Yes, most people do not care about 0.0 alliances blobbing eachother to have the biggest unused sec sprawl, but it's yet another symptom of a neglected game. HUH??!!?? I'd say exactly the opposite. Having the ability to "claim" sov and fight for that claim, is one of the most important features of the game. Without it, I'd have left eve long ago. That's true even though I'm not in sov space at this exact moment. Claiming territory for your own, is one of the elements that makes EVE truly deep and gives one a meaningful connection to the game. It's not just about us all sequentially doing some stupid quest... but that the fight can have real meaningful consequences in game. I grant the tendency for blob is unfortunate, but it's less pervasive than you'd think reading these forums... there's lots of meaningful 40 vs 40 fights in eve. It's not all 500 vs 500. The term blob is useless nowadays. Now all it generally means is that you lost the battle which involved more dudes on the opponents side. Sometimes involving very small differences in number still gets called blobbing.
Thresh Avery Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:54:00 - [169] Originally by: Tom Peeping Originally by: Professor Tarantula Yes, most people do not care about 0.0 alliances blobbing eachother to have the biggest unused sec sprawl, but it's yet another symptom of a neglected game. HUH??!!?? I'd say exactly the opposite. Having the ability to "claim" sov and fight for that claim, is one of the most important features of the game. Without it, I'd have left eve long ago. That's true even though I'm not in sov space at this exact moment. Claiming territory for your own, is one of the elements that makes EVE truly deep and gives one a meaningful connection to the game. It's not just about us all sequentially doing some stupid quest... but that the fight can have real meaningful consequences in game. I grant the tendency for blob is unfortunate, but it's less pervasive than you'd think reading these forums... there's lots of meaningful 40 vs 40 fights in eve. It's not all 500 vs 500. The term blob is useless nowadays. Now all it generally means is that you lost the battle which involved more dudes on the opponents side. Sometimes involving very small differences in number still gets called blobbing. There couldn't be a more true post. Well said good sir!
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:55:00 - [170] Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia Originally by: So Sensational I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of **ing capitalism. Oh yeah... cause the whole suite of Windows operating systems are a bastion of reliability aren't they. And hey Toyota's doing a great job too! Give me a break! Yeah, if someone comes along with a competing product, maybe, maybe you'll switch and it will be worth it. However, an enormous number of products prove you completely wrong on this claim. My windows appears to be functioning correctly and the parts that haven't get fixed rather quickly. Thank you. Toyota? What the ** are you on about? A car brand? Do you live in some Japanese brand worshiping cult?
Zemkhoff	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:58:00 - [171] Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Originally by: Callum545 So CCP are you finally gonna change your plans? FIX lag and the other old features we do not care about walking in stations or a new avatar system which i think i read was due for the winter expansion. To be honest if we have to re-design a new avatar some of the old avatars will be missed for example backdoor bandits avatar. Also 80 people jumping through a gate and OMG LAG it is embarrissing for you. Please scrap PI it is pointless Speak for yourself dude - it's "you" not "we". There are many people eager to see Ambulation, new avatars, further PI development and integration with Dust and I bet it's 10x more than you selfish little 0.0 dwellers who are unable to think about anything better than blobing each other to hell and back all day long. Stop talking like you're presenting all Eve players. I love this drivel. You can all find out how fun it is to pay for T2 mods and ships when the people who used to manufacture them have quit in disgust. It may not be your part of the game, but it does affect your part of the game in a very big way.
Hexman Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:59:00 - [172] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Might be hard for you to believe if you've been there a long time, but what goes on in 0.0 truly isn't important at all to most players. Where do you think all the stuff you loot/produce/mine ends up, you idiot? YES, in 0.0 players' hands, eventually. SO you see, you might no think 0.0 is important but it is what actually drives the entire eve economy. Or did you actually think it was NPC's buying your crap? LOL go back to WoW, kid. WTS clue
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:00:00 - [173] Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia Originally by: So Sensational I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of **ing capitalism. Oh yeah... cause the whole suite of Windows operating systems are a bastion of reliability aren't they. And hey Toyota's doing a great job too! Give me a break! Yeah, if someone comes along with a competing product, maybe, maybe you'll switch and it will be worth it. However, an enormous number of products prove you completely wrong on this claim. You are hitting a nerve there with me. Rotten products should not be bought by the masses, that is how they become extinct. On my black list (meaning no-buy) are : - SONY (for blocking youtube content) - Toyota (for lack of development care at the expense of customer health) - BP and affiliated companies like Aral (for environmental irresponsibility) - Many chinese products (lighters for example - for lack of quality) CCP is not on my black list. I do like their product.** But a good product needs constant improvement to stay good. So all power to the dev teams working on EVE.
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:02:00 - [174] Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia Originally by: So Sensational I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of **ing capitalism. Oh yeah... cause the whole suite of Windows operating systems are a bastion of reliability aren't they. And hey Toyota's doing a great job too! Give me a break! Yeah, if someone comes along with a competing product, maybe, maybe you'll switch and it will be worth it. However, an enormous number of products prove you completely wrong on this claim. My windows appears to be functioning correctly and the parts that haven't get fixed rather quickly. Thank you. Toyota? What the are you on about? A car brand? Do you live in some Japanese brand worshiping cult? No, he just being a dumb troll. Toyota ed up , true. What did they do ? Acknowledge the **up and recall the cars for free repair. And no, they did not tell ppl that they will get to their cars in 18 months.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:05:00 - [175] Originally by: Al3xii Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia Originally by: So Sensational I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of **ing capitalism. Oh yeah... cause the whole suite of Windows operating systems are a bastion of reliability aren't they. And hey Toyota's doing a great job too! Give me a break! Yeah, if someone comes along with a competing product, maybe, maybe you'll switch and it will be worth it. However, an enormous number of products prove you completely wrong on this claim. My windows appears to be functioning correctly and the parts that haven't get fixed rather quickly. Thank you. Toyota? What the are you on about? A car brand? Do you live in some Japanese brand worshiping cult? No, he just being a dumb troll. Toyota ed up , true. What did they do ? Acknowledge the **up and recall the cars for free repair. And no, they did not tell ppl that they will get to their cars in 18 months. Oh right, I don't keep track of the quality of every car manufacturer out there, nor did I say their products have to be perfect. This dude is a tard.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:14:00 - [176] Quote: No, he just being a dumb troll. Toyota **ed up , true. What did they do ? Acknowledge the up and recall the cars for free repair. And no, they did not tell ppl that they will get to their cars in 18 months. CCP didnt tell you you would get your game in 18 months either, **tard. This is clearly a signature.
Deva Blackfire LOST IDEA C0VEN	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:20:00 - [177] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 29/07/2010 20:20:17 Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: No, he just being a dumb troll. Toyota **ed up , true. What did they do ? Acknowledge the up and recall the cars for free repair. And no, they did not tell ppl that they will get to their cars in 18 months. CCP didnt tell you you would get your game in 18 months either, tard. get car get to car Do you see the difference? Seems like you are the **tard here who cant even understand what others say. And yes - CCP acknowledged they will get TO fixing their game in 18 months. Read CSM minutes if you didnt yet, as it seems you are clueless.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:21:00 - [178] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: No, he just being a dumb troll. Toyota **ed up , true. What did they do ? Acknowledge the up and recall the cars for free repair. And no, they did not tell ppl that they will get to their cars in 18 months. CCP didnt tell you you would get your game in 18 months either, **tard. Uhm. yes. they actually did sorta mate...
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:22:00 - [179] Originally by: CCP Manifest Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. Well if you (ccp) were not jerking off for the past 8 months no artical would have ever been wrote!
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:22:00 - [180] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: No, he just being a dumb troll. Toyota **ed up , true. What did they do ? Acknowledge the up and recall the cars for free repair. And no, they did not tell ppl that they will get to their cars in 18 months. CCP didnt tell you you would get your game in 18 months either, **tard. Ok, let me run a comparison, so ur little insect brain can understand. Toyota , Car, Driving , Bad, Brake problem possible , But didnt happen to all yet, Company recalled the cars, But the cars still running. So u see , cars are still operational, just flawed, yet recalled and fixed. Now ill leave the rest to u. Eve, Bad Bugs , Game still operational, Fix in 18 months cause they to busy with other stuff. At this point if u dont understand it - the only cure for u is a great French invention called guillotine.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:27:00 - [181] Originally by: So Sensational I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of ****ing capitalism. The thing is, eventually there's going to be competition assuming MMOs remain popular. My entitlement comes in the form of a product that delivers more than this one does, free market style. Until then I'll keep raging and fueling the flames, hoping it will make CCP do something. Once again you're arguing about what you think SHOULD be and not WHAT IS. Capitalism is about supply, demand and the freedom to choose. Having a sense of entitlement about you doesn't change the reality of the sitution which is this: CCP has a product. You can either pay them for said product or not. That's pretty much the extent of the reality of this situation. It may suck, but it is what it is and no amount of "I think it should be different" will change that. .
Dirk Culliford H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:28:00 - [182] I always knew we were your number one priority!!! You were just trolling all the empire guys! <3
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:34:00 - [183] Originally by: Thresh Avery You are naive to think an ISP service and MMO account are the same. However, i respect your ability to cancel accounts due to dissatisfaction. I don't believe they are the same thing, it's called an analogy. We're paying for a product/service and if you're not happy with it, you can cancel - just like you could cancel your ISP, your phone, stop eating at a particular fast-food restaurant, stop buying BP gas, or whatever you choose to illustrate this point. People become so emotionally attached to their favorite game they stop acting rationally. Originally by: Thresh Avery The truth is, there's two ways of doing it. And although the whining may seem childish to you, don't you think CCP's marketing department are capable of deceiving their playerbase and will cave if the situation gets too uncomfortable? 7 years of "EvE is dying" threads argues otherwise. Originally by: Thresh Avery I mean, tbh, we're not even asking for that much. Just a bit of dedication and a respectable timeframe we can expect results in that means they actually care, not running around with a boner for Incarna and Dust. There's no release date on those things, let them wait. You seem to be missing my point. I'm not saying that they don't need to fix this in a reasonable timeframe - and as a 0.0 denizen, I hope to god they do - what I'm saying is that posting on these forums is not the fast-track to getting things changed - as 7 years of "EvE is dying" threads have proven. .
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:35:00 - [184] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Originally by: Ranger 1 Actually, yes he can. So can anyone else that knows anything about this type of work. You have put in a nutshell the entire false premise than 99% of the people complaining about lag are spewing on the forums currently. Yes, more people are working on Incarna. Incarna requires the input of a huge and diverse group of specialists, none of which are qualified to work on lag issues. A 5 to 10 man specialist team working on the lag issues in EVE is dangerously close to a serious case of diminshing returns as it is. If you put your best team of specialists on a project that involves probing deeping into the underlying code of EVE, you have made that issue a priority. How many graphic artists you have working on visuals and lighting algorithms for a future expansion is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have your best team, skilled in the particular issue you are trying to resolve, working together to come up with a solution. These folks have the skills, they could be working on other aspects of EVE's code instead, but instead are devoting a significant portion of their time to a serious issue. Not really sure how you can keep missing the point on this one. That's absolutely laughable. I'm not sure why you're so interested in defending CCP over anything else. First, you miss the point of my post which was it's not just the lag, it's the existing features. Second, I know very well that you could put 20 people on analyzing the code changes from before december 09 and after, analyzing the results from fleet tests, and analyzing code in general, trying to figure out what is the bottleneck here. Don't try to tell me that only 5 people can work on fixing lag. There were many more working on it at one time, CCP could confirm this if they wanted to. 1: Your personal wish list of improvements/tweaks you would like to see, but are not going to be worked on right away, do not equal a broken game. 2: Analyzing core system level computer code is not the same a digging ditches. Throwing more people at it does not help, and can rapidly start being counter productive. Especially when attempting to debug that code. Perhaps you should stick to what you know. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:39:00 - [185] Originally by: news item 'With the help of the EVE community on the test server, we believe we are close to some investigative breakthroughs and will continue to relay any progress via our developer blogs.' Translation: Nullsec is about as populated as we can expect and is almost to our projected territoral claim goals of everyone and his startup alliance getting a bit of color on the map with full cynojammer support and plentiful supercaps to defend it. So its about time to turn off the lag switch now and finally let them fight it out on mostly even terms instead of the unholy one sided bloodbath it would have been with no new territory being claimed by anyone but the top few major players if we had not borked fleet fights. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:39:00 - [186] Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 20:42:16 Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: So Sensational I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of ***ing capitalism. The thing is, eventually there's going to be competition assuming MMOs remain popular. My entitlement comes in the form of a product that delivers more than this one does, free market style. Until then I'll keep raging and fueling the flames, hoping it will make CCP do something. Once again you're arguing about what you think SHOULD be and not WHAT IS. Capitalism is about supply, demand and the freedom to choose. Having a sense of entitlement about you doesn't change the reality of the sitution which is this: CCP has a product. You can either pay them for said product or not. That's pretty much the extent of the reality of this situation. It may suck, but it is what it is and no amount of "I think it should be different" will change that. Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay. I don't have* to help them test the product or any ** like that, it's not my job. My type of MMO, the type of MMO EVE is, clearly is profitable. In fact doing it right was something CCP was pretty good at an expansion or two ago. When these guys don't deliver someone eventually will, it's a matter of time. That is what I was saying. Now atm CCP has a monopoly on MMOs worth playing, as such they can do whatever the ** they want to, capitalism is essentially broken. As it is there is no point in unsubbing, it won't change anything and is likely less effective than flaming on the forums because it can't be done in an organized manner, people won't unsub when they can't replace the product with something else.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:47:00 - [187] Originally by: So Sensational Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, No. It isn't. You are either dreaming or deluded to think that capitalism has ANYTHING to do with delivering you a functioning product. What you are ENTITLED to within capitalism is the freedom to choose. And you still have that. Originally by: So Sensational the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay. I don't have to help them test the product or any ** like that, it's not my job. Again, feeling that because you want something, someone has to supply it to your standards is NOT capitalism. Originally by:** So Sensational When these guys don't deliver someone eventually will, it's a matter of time. That is what I was saying. And guess what? When someone DOES delivery, you'll have the choice to play it! Isn't capitalism wonderful? Originally by: So Sensational Now atm CCP has a monopoly on MMOs worth playing, as such they can do whatever the **** they want to, capitalism is essentially broken. As it is there is no point in unsubbing, it won't change anything and is likely less effective than flaming on the forums because it can't be done in an organized manner, people won't unsub when they can't replace the product with something else. So, your rationalization is that not giving the company money won't show them that you're dissatisfied with their product but posting repeatedly about how close to tears you are will? I think I am starting to understand why you are so confused. .
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:04:00 - [188] Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 21:07:55 Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 21:05:51 Originally by: Pesky LaRue No. It isn't. You are either dreaming or deluded to think that capitalism has ANYTHING to do with delivering you a functioning product. What you are ENTITLED to within capitalism is the freedom to choose. And you still have that. And by having the freedom to choose I can choose the superior product, by choosing the superior product I force the suppliers to improve their quality. This does not apply with a monopoly. See last paragraph for why my only choice is to stay if I wish to enjoy an MMO. Quote: Again, believing that because you want something, someone has to supply it to your standards is NOT capitalism. When my standard is the same as everyone else's who want the same product then yes, that is capitalism. And/or if my standard is profitable enough to do it, even though I am the only one who wants it. Originally by: So Sensational Now atm CCP has a monopoly on MMOs worth playing, as such they can do whatever the ** they want to, capitalism is essentially broken. As it is there is no point in unsubbing, it won't change anything and is likely less effective than flaming on the forums because it can't be done in an organized manner, people won't unsub when they can't replace the product with something else. Quote:** So, your rationalization is that not giving the company money won't show them that you're dissatisfied with their product but posting repeatedly about how close to tears you are will? My rationalization is that I gain nothing from unsubbing from the only game worth playing, that because it does not happen on an organized and large enough scale it has little to no effect on CCP, and that flaming, raging, whining and crying clearly does have an effect. The later proven by their damage control patrol instaresponding. They already know I'm dissatisfied, they know we all are. It's making them do something about it that matters.
Henri Rearden Gallente XII Legion Southern Connection	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:15:00 - [189] Originally by: So Sensational Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay. OH. DEAR. GOD. Is this the crap they teach in school now? No wonder the universities are all turning out socialists. I would try to explain and clarify but I think I have to go cry in despair for the world now.
Irritating Troll	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:19:00 - [190] I don't care. The real question to this is: Do we get another 100K SP bonus out of this? Maybe even more!
Tobruk Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:21:00 - [191] Originally by: CCP Manifest Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23 Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum. "Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it. I have to say that response took some serious ****ing balls. To tell them you have given carte Blanche and its your No 1. priority right after a dev blog that states the contrary... how does it feel to be CCPs Baghdad bob? ---------------------------------------------- Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:23:00 - [192] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Originally by: Ranger 1 Actually, yes he can. So can anyone else that knows anything about this type of work. You have put in a nutshell the entire false premise than 99% of the people complaining about lag are spewing on the forums currently. Yes, more people are working on Incarna. Incarna requires the input of a huge and diverse group of specialists, none of which are qualified to work on lag issues. A 5 to 10 man specialist team working on the lag issues in EVE is dangerously close to a serious case of diminshing returns as it is. If you put your best team of specialists on a project that involves probing deeping into the underlying code of EVE, you have made that issue a priority. How many graphic artists you have working on visuals and lighting algorithms for a future expansion is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have your best team, skilled in the particular issue you are trying to resolve, working together to come up with a solution. These folks have the skills, they could be working on other aspects of EVE's code instead, but instead are devoting a significant portion of their time to a serious issue. Not really sure how you can keep missing the point on this one. That's absolutely laughable. I'm not sure why you're so interested in defending CCP over anything else. First, you miss the point of my post which was it's not just the lag, it's the existing features. Second, I know very well that you could put 20 people on analyzing the code changes from before december 09 and after, analyzing the results from fleet tests, and analyzing code in general, trying to figure out what is the bottleneck here. Don't try to tell me that only 5 people can work on fixing lag. There were many more working on it at one time, CCP could confirm this if they wanted to. 1: Your personal wish list of improvements/tweaks you would like to see, but are not going to be worked on right away, do not equal a broken game. 2: Analyzing core system level computer code is not the same a digging ditches. Throwing more people at it does not help, and can rapidly start being counter productive. Especially when attempting to debug that code. Perhaps you should stick to what you know. and the other side of the coin is 1. You having a select portion of the game you use working != the game as a whole is functioning fine 2. While throwing more and more resources at a problem may not always make it go away, you have no idea if CCP has even come close to approaching that point. Just as you can say 100 people may not fix something better than 20, one can also say 20 may accomplish the task much more efficiently than 5 or 10 either way you look at it, the people in this thread are throwing around a load of b.s. they hardly understand. Even if they do understand it, you certainly aren't privy to any inside information that makes your opinion more valuable or correct. It's a forum. People come to complain and discuss stuff. Which type of people seem more irrelevant to this thread? -those that came to complain and discuss and yell at CCP -those saying 'just go away and cancel your subscription. we don't care' Both are valid. However while one group is complaining... the other is complaining that people shouldn't be complaining. and THAT is certainly laughable --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Varesk Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:24:00 - [193]
Reclamator Janu	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:30:00 - [194] Originally by: Henri Rearden Originally by: So Sensational Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay. OH. DEAR. GOD. Is this the crap they teach in school now? No wonder the universities are all turning out socialists. I would try to explain and clarify but I think I have to go cry in despair for the world now. Welcome to the era of Crybaby Capitalism where kids like that think they get what they want because they want it.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:34:00 - [195] Originally by: Reclamator Janu Originally by: Henri Rearden Originally by: So Sensational Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay. OH. DEAR. GOD. Is this the crap they teach in school now? No wonder the universities are all turning out socialists. I would try to explain and clarify but I think I have to go cry in despair for the world now. Welcome to the era of Crybaby Capitalism where kids like that think they get what they want because they want it. You get what you want because you want it, and because you can pay for it.
Ryhss Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:37:00 - [196] Why don't I believe that second link? Have I been asleep for 18 months?! Originally by: aratillion LEGEN.... Wait for it DARY!
Lubomir Penev TTSP.x.X.x.RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:46:00 - [197] Originally by: Ranger 1 By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot... 3 x 0 = 0
Xroxreariad Ramatarapap	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:53:00 - [198] Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 29/07/2010 21:54:23 Originally by: So Sensational You get what you want because you want it, and because you can pay for it. And what do you do in case you want something yet no one is delivering because what you want exists only in your head? Crying in fetal position I suppose? God damn spoiled kids. But worry not, you'll learn your lesson in time.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:57:00 - [199] Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Originally by: So Sensational You get what you want because you want it, and because you can pay for it. And what do you do in case you want something yet no one is delivering because what you want exist only in your head? You wait until someone invent it/invent it yourself? Are you implying that the game that we were playing 1 month ago only exists in my head? I mean, beyond the fact that the physical product has changed? I mean are you **ing ****ed? There's a 30 page thread in this very forum where people are basically saying "We want this, give it to us or we'll be very mad". It is the only thing we can do, there is no other viable choice.
Mernek	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:04:00 - [200] What? Capitalism = autonomy? As far as i'm aware there have been a trio of powerful economists from the 1970s who believed in the persuasion of capitalism. Milton Friedmann is probably the bets known example. Please remember that this field of capitalistic research is currently under a hell of a lot of scrutiny if not open mocking. This is because that C = A belief led to the idea that supply and demand could always regulate a market without any kind of fiscal intervention. You really want to defend that idea given the current climate? Or even better this idea was developed into policy by the administrations of Reagan and Thratcher. Has the wealth trickled down yet? In reality, the poster has not expressed any love of socialism, in fact i really don't understand how you determined he is a socialist! He didn't say he deserved a good eve client because he put labour into the system. He's saying he deserved it because he payed for it! Now, one can walk away, you are entirely correct. For example if i put gas in my car at one petrol station but that begins to put water in the pumps; i can use another one. But what if the same company owns all the pumps? That as far as i can tell is what the poster is stating, that there is no other alternative for eve currently. As such CCP know that they can pull this stuff, there is even a post somewhere saying that they know there is no evidence to suggest that fixing current issues will gain more revenue than introducing new featured to gain new subscribers. So where is supply and demand to fix this issue? Personally, i feel that the C = A system of capitalism is a poor one. This is because essentially tehre can never be freedom in the sense you are speaking of. All you do by making the market 'free' is shift the level of control from the government to the market (remember the market does not equal consumer) Mern
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:06:00 - [201] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Ranger 1 By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot... 3 x 0 = 0 Actually my friend even before the team was expanded they caught a refresh bug in the overview that was causing various issues, including additional lag. Opps, sorry, trying SO hard not to confuse you with facts... ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:10:00 - [202] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Ranger 1 By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot... 3 x 0 = 0 Actually my friend even before the team was expanded they caught a refresh bug in the overview that was causing various issues, including additional lag. Opps, sorry, trying SO hard not to confuse you with facts... You mean this one from december 2009? The last time they mentioned lag in their patch notes? Please point me to the notes that say i'm wrong and i'll gladly say I was wrong.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:12:00 - [203] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Ranger 1 By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot... 3 x 0 = 0 Actually my friend even before the team was expanded they caught a refresh bug in the overview that was causing various issues, including additional lag. Opps, sorry, trying SO hard not to confuse you with facts... So then why has the lag increased?? Please enlighten me oh wise one! Can you maybe get that info out of ccp's ass? You seem to be enjoying that place.... Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:18:00 - [204] Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 22:25:40 Originally by: Mernek In reality, the poster has not expressed any love of socialism, in fact i really don't understand how you determined he is a socialist! He didn't say he deserved a good eve client because he put labour into the system. He's saying he deserved it because he payed for it! This. I'm not saying CCP has no choice but to provide a client exactly to my specifications, I'm saying that since enough of us want it they eventually must because a free market demands it, it's either that or someone else will do it for them. Quote: Now, one can walk away, you are entirely correct. For example if i put gas in my car at one petrol station but that begins to put water in the pumps; i can use another one. But what if the same company owns all the pumps? That as far as i can tell is what the poster is stating, that there is no other alternative for eve currently. As such CCP know that they can pull this stuff, there is even a post somewhere saying that they know there is no evidence to suggest that fixing current issues will gain more revenue than introducing new featured to gain new subscribers. Yes, and then what other choice than to whine, cry, get media attention, etc, do we have? There's certainly nothing stopping CCP from monopolizing our niche in the MMO market. Quote: So where is supply and demand to fix this issue? Personally, i feel that the C = A system of capitalism is a poor one. This is because essentially tehre can never be freedom in the sense you are speaking of. All you do by making the market 'free' is shift the level of control from the government to the market (remember the market does not equal consumer) But in this case you can already see the consumer shaping the situation, contact media, generate bad press, force reaction. I'll agree that complete freedom is a utopia though. In reality I don't give a ** about politics except if I can get some quick, short term benefits. I love discussing it on forums though because you can go to any length in a theoretical scenario. p.s. Single-handedly turned a thread about how **ty CCP is into a thread about capitalism. CCP really should hire me to to their damage control because I'm pretty damn good at it.
Turelus	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:18:00 - [205] Originally by: MyMainIsBiomass It's not just the lag though. It's their refusal to fix numerous other issues. Pretty much this, I have not *****ed to CCP about fleet lag yet because I have helped on the SISI tests, seen them viewing fleet fights and well they have shown they are working on that issue. However... the other problems with the game that really need looking at or have been promised and then just never given does make me sad. I have not played as long as the vets of EVE and for a very long time when people made jokes about how CCP really didn't give a damn about fixing old issues I though "nahh they are just looking at it more in depth" pretty much lost faith in that now. I wont quit EVE because I do love the game and can still improve and have small fights here and there but I no longer care about future releases or expect anything awesome from a patch.
Otocinclus Minmatar Project Nemesis The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:27:00 - [206] I went to Iceland with a bat wrapped in sandpaper, a sword, and a list of demands. Expect a fix soon.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:28:00 - [207] Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 29/07/2010 22:34:35 Originally by: Turelus However... the other problems with the game that really need looking at or have been promised and then just never given does make me sad. I have not played as long as the vets of EVE and for a very long time when people made jokes about how CCP really didn't give a damn about fixing old issues I though "nahh they are just looking at it more in depth" pretty much lost faith in that now. I wont quit EVE because I do love the game and can still improve and have small fights here and there but I no longer care about future releases or expect anything awesome from a patch. Yes same here. I find it slightly disturbing that a lot of issues are still there, also ones that could/should have been fixed with just some moderate effort, like rockets. Not that they influence my day-to-day gameplay a lot but because all those small and big things together aren't very promising for future content and expansions. If this becomes a game in which a lot of features only work below par (far from "excellent") I'm seriously start to worry if the overall quality of the game will continue to decrease over time. Whether I participate in certain things or not (I don't do PI for instance) but as a general tendency. If expansions will bring moderate quality content and mess up existing features that aren't fixed - that's not a good sign. I hope CCP will l prove me wrong.
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:32:00 - [208] Originally by: Otocinclus I went to Iceland with a bat wrapped in sandpaper, a sword, and a list of demands. Expect a fix soon. If it's an animal kind of bat then epic win to you sir!
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:39:00 - [209] Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38 The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution. Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw.
Olleybear I R' Carebear	Posted - 2010.07.29 23:23:00 - [210] What? Eve dying again?!?! We just killed the end boss. Why wont Eve stay dead longer? The respawn timer on this is absolutly ridiculous! We, the player base, demand that the reapwn timer on the Eve end boss be increased so Eve stays dead longer than it currently is. It has been scienticifically proven that longer respawn timers helps keep the top gear into the hands of only those that truly deserve it. Also, we demand more.... What? What do you mean I dont know what I am talking about... Spaceship game? Your mean to say this isn't swords and dragons? Oh hell, just ship the article with minor changes to include blackholes or something sciency like that. The unwashed masses of attention deficit kids dont have a clue about social engineering and will gobble up the Eve is dying mantra. Then what you ask? Then, we sit back and smile at the drama we caused...
Metal Dude Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 23:24:00 - [211] Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38 The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution. Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw. Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on. The truth will set you free
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.07.29 23:28:00 - [212] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38 The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution. Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw. Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on. But what would happen to IT then? :lol: On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.29 23:29:00 - [213] Originally by: Dirk Mortice Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38 The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution. Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw. Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on. But what would happen to IT then? :lol: On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days Try 20 vs. 20.
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.07.29 23:31:00 - [214] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 29/07/2010 23:33:49 Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Dirk Mortice On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days Try 20 vs. 20. What about 100 vs 1? Ah, just kidding...
Xiaodown Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.07.30 00:34:00 - [215] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Nardman Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth. Oh so because fleet battles with thousands of people lag the entire game is broken? Give me a break. HOW MANY TIMES MUST IT BE SAID? CCP Advertises that fleet battles with thousands of people ARE what the game is about! What if you saw a car advertisement which showed a car driving along a road, and then when you bough it, it wouldn't start - but there was some guy in the back seat saying "so what? The cup holders and the stereo work, what's the big deal?" If they advertised a game about mining and NPC missions, then we'd have a valid argument on our hands. But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video. ~X --
Al3xii	Posted - 2010.07.30 00:40:00 - [216] Originally by: Xiaodown Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Nardman Come to 0.0. Participate in a real fleet battle. Then take your foot and stick it in your mouth. Oh so because fleet battles with thousands of people lag the entire game is broken? Give me a break. HOW MANY TIMES MUST IT BE SAID? CCP Advertises that fleet battles with thousands of people ARE what the game is about! What if you saw a car advertisement which showed a car driving along a road, and then when you bough it, it wouldn't start - but there was some guy in the back seat saying "so what? The cup holders and the stereo work, what's the big deal?" If they advertised a game about mining and NPC missions, then we'd have a valid argument on our hands. But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video. ~X quoted for truth AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BuckStrider Fleem Co	Posted - 2010.07.30 00:48:00 - [217] Quote: But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video. Of any thread running right now....This line is the best response of any. 10/10
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.30 01:23:00 - [218] Originally by: Xiaodown But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video. i forgot just how sick awesome that video was instead of playing eve, i'm just going to watch that video a couple times every night. god bless teh developers that are trying to make this game as good as it should be god damn teh management that ignores real problems and ties dev hands with crap decision making --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Irritating Troll	Posted - 2010.07.30 01:32:00 - [219] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38 The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution. Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw. Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on. Failsauce. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2oxt7Nrxo&annotation_id=annotation_138481&feature=iv Pay special attention to what is said at 1:30. The game IS advertised as being able to sustain those gigantic engagements.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.30 01:37:00 - [220] Originally by: Irritating Troll Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38 The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution. Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw. Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on. Failsauce. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2oxt7Nrxo&annotation_id=annotation_138481&feature=iv Pay special attention to what is said at 1:30. The game IS advertised as being able to sustain those gigantic engagements. not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node. i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
chingchongchangy	Posted - 2010.07.30 02:10:00 - [221] http://kotaku.com/5599803/eve-solicits-player-support-players-solicit-lag-fix Another article
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.30 02:17:00 - [222] Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Dirk Mortice Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38 The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution. Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw. Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on. But what would happen to IT then? :lol: On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days Try 20 vs. 20. See, thats why fanbois make me want to turn emo and cut myself. In this very thread I was told that "if you don't do it yourself you opinion doesn't mean anything" yet I have fought in battles bigger than that and they were not broken. I was playing on a laptop with mediocre grafix card and it was quite playable. This is clearly a signature.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.30 02:32:00 - [223] Originally by: Cipher Jones See, thats why some of these so and so's make me want to turn emo and cut myself. In this very thread I was told that "if you don't do it yourself you opinion doesn't mean anything" yet I have fought in battles bigger than that and they were not broken. I was playing on a laptop with mediocre grafix card and it was quite playable. Well that's good because I hear when there are server problems, having a good GRAFIX card makes that all go away. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
chingchongchangy	Posted - 2010.07.30 02:33:00 - [224] Originally by: Cipher Jones See, thats why some of these so and so's make me want to turn emo and cut myself. In this very thread I was told that "if you don't do it yourself you opinion doesn't mean anything" yet I have fought in battles bigger than that and they were not broken. I was playing on a laptop with mediocre grafix card and it was quite playable. Quote: CCP Advertises that fleet battles with thousands of people ARE what the game is about! Please link me to said advert, please. thank you. Your welcome.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.30 02:49:00 - [225] Originally by: Monkey Saturday Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Ranger 1 By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further. Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot... 3 x 0 = 0 Actually my friend even before the team was expanded they caught a refresh bug in the overview that was causing various issues, including additional lag. Opps, sorry, trying SO hard not to confuse you with facts... You mean this one from december 2009? The last time they mentioned lag in their patch notes? Please point me to the notes that say i'm wrong and i'll gladly say I was wrong. No, I mean this one, from this month. No apology necessary, there has been a lot of information flying around lately. Quote: So then why has the lag increased?? Please enlighten me oh wise one! Can you maybe get that info out of ccp's ass? You seem to be enjoying that place.... Actually client side lag has decreased along with the other overview issues that were introduced last expansion, it is the server side lag that is causing the issues you keep bleating about. Keep trying to copy PL's "fist" technique and you should have less to worry about than most... if you can find the time outside of your incessant whining. Quote: On a serious note, thats a fair point and everything if it wasn't for the fact that even 100v100 fights are broken these days Actually 100v100 hasn't really had any issues, but if you push much beyond 300 in system gun cycle issues begin, and much beyond 500 things go downhill rapidly from there. My saying that most aspects of EVE are quite playable does NOT mean that I don't recognize the current problems with large scale combat. It's irritating and badly in need of a fix, however it does not represent the majority of the game play available in EVE. Quote: Try 20 vs. 20. You must have been on the same node as us. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Serrad Trenn Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.30 03:52:00 - [226] Originally by: Al3xii CCP claims lag is number 1 priority. CCP assigned unknown number of space cowboys ( from 1 to 15 ) to fix the issue. Incarna gets 70. How is the lag number 1 priority? If u are not here to troll - give me a logical response. I want to build a new garage for my new car next to my house. I hire 10 guys to do this. Also my stove is broken and I hire two other guys to fix it. Then my wife ***es (complains) how my stupid garage isn't as important as fixing the stove so we can cook, which I agree to and tell her the stove is top priority. Now she calls me a liar because there are still more people working on the garage than on the stove, in spite of the problem with the stove seeming to be more complicated and taking some time to solve. So I'm thinking of redirecting 6 of the garage workers to help repair the stove, even though they probably just stand around and watch carefully, but at least I could -maybe- avoid more ***ing (complaining) from my wife.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.30 03:54:00 - [227] Originally by: BuckStrider Quote: But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video. Of any thread running right now....This line is the best response of any. 10/10 Wtb: Dominion trailer that shows a 1000 ship fleet fight. At the most there might have beem a bit over a hundred in system if you had actually took the time to pause the video and count the ships. That amount of pilots in a single system is perfectly playable right now as long as you tell ccp ahead of time. But hey lets not let silly stuff like logic get in the way of a good rant thread. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Skydell Morrigna Order	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:06:00 - [228] Edited by: Skydell on 30/07/2010 04:09:47 Best of luck to them. Many aspects of the game are very much broken in they cant be played the way the mechanics have them set up and its Lagg that is the cause. Dominion was the NGE of EvE. I dont know what they did but it really ****ed this game up. - example of broken EvE: Right now to take down a station with one cycle of dread siege, you need 70 dreads. If you add 100 sub caps, support to that, pit two sides, thats 400 minimum you need in system. 400 in a system, mostly cap will be black screen 'o' death right now. The game wont do it.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:27:00 - [229] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: BuckStrider Quote: But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video. Of any thread running right now....This line is the best response of any. 10/10 Wtb: Dominion trailer that shows a 1000 ship fleet fight. At the most there might have beem a bit over a hundred in system if you had actually took the time to pause the video and count the ships. That amount of pilots in a single system is perfectly playable right now as long as you tell ccp ahead of time. But hey lets not let silly stuff like logic get in the way of a good rant thread. QFT. People really should watch the video they are brandishing as some sort of "truth of false advertising". Skydell: 1: You don't really know what the NGE is do you. 2: We have taken a couple of stations this last week alone, and dozens over the last few months. Large fleet lag issues made things tricky yes, but far from impossible... or even difficult. I'm sorry my friend, I'm not disputing there are serious issues with large fleet engagements. But EVE is far from unplayable, even in respect to taking stations and/or territory. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:34:00 - [230] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node. i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head And this spouting out of a mouth of a gutless alt that has no balls to post with his NC main and canÆs accomplish ANYthing in the game without NAPing half of 0.0 and then whining about the state of the game because he canÆt bring 2K alts in to a fight and win by default. The truth will set you free
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:38:00 - [231] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node. i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head And this spouting out of a mouth of a gutless alt that has no balls to post with his NC main and canÆs accomplish ANYthing in the game without NAPing half of 0.0 and then whining about the state of the game because he canÆt bring 2K alts in to a fight and win by default. Take it to caod you morons. It's not like either of you has the slightest influance on your alliances actions unless you are claiming to be one of the 10 or so pilots at the top of the food chain that actually run the entire show.. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:40:00 - [232] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node. i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head And this spouting out of a mouth of a gutless alt that has no balls to post with his NC main and canÆs accomplish ANYthing in the game without NAPing half of 0.0 and then whining about the state of the game because he canÆt bring 2K alts in to a fight and win by default. MentalDude strike my e-honor wrecking for lololololol u mad brah? And no, I don't join bandwagon blob factories like IT or the NC. I prefer some skill be involved in my game. You know, your talk... only with the walk to back it up. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:43:00 - [233] Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 30/07/2010 04:43:59 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia not to mention it's spouting out of the mouth of a person that is in a 5000 person alliance that's only way of accomplishing ANYthing in this game is through blobbing to the point of crashing a node. i bet good money he's not going to pay special attention to anything but the little world he's constructed in his head And this spouting out of a mouth of a gutless alt that has no balls to post with his NC main and canÆs accomplish ANYthing in the game without NAPing half of 0.0 and then whining about the state of the game because he canÆt bring 2K alts in to a fight and win by default. We had a fight a few weeks ago, it would have topped out at 300ish (Just GF/Test and Atlas) and we were getting module and grid lag. Three hundred. What's your solution? Smaller corporations? I wonder what that Sovereignty skill is meant to be for, since CCP clearly expects us to only have about 50 players in each corp.
Thresh Avery Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:46:00 - [234] Originally by: Pesky LaRue I don't believe they are the same thing, it's called an analogy. We're paying for a product/service and if you're not happy with it, you can cancel - just like you could cancel your ISP, your phone, stop eating at a particular fast-food restaurant, stop buying BP gas, or whatever you choose to illustrate this point. People become so emotionally attached to their favorite game they stop acting rationally. I know it was an analogy, but there's obviously a difference in how we think. You seem to be willful enough to cancel your accounts and leave, or perhaps [even though you've invested a lot in monetary and quantum terms] you don't have much genuine investment in the relationships formed within it or the events going on in the game to stick around. I don't know how you play so i couldn't comment on that. But for me, the social interaction and such is what keeps me here, so i don't see it as black and white as you in that CCP are providing a service, so if i don't like their ineptitude i can just walk away. Also, your mention of 7 years of "EVE is dying" threads being tolerable and ignorable by CCP doesn't mean that this is going to go the same way. The problem with those past threads is that they were led by consistent forum whiners and the people within just over-exaggerating about the state of the game. I've played as long as you have and i do remember some of them. Stuff like "omg, nano is broken, this game is dying!" to simple things CCP could make changes to and they then put some effort into doing so. They were stupid claims about EVE "dying". I remember the many many whinethreads over the years based on CCP's way of dealing with controversy in the game and seemingly favouring Band of Brothers, but when GoonSwarm disbanded their alliance, and outcry about CCP attempting to give KenZoku sov and overriding the timer for sov gain touched the nerves of so many people that after a threadnaught, the changes were revoked and CCP put their hands up and apologized for interfering. So if you think this so-called childish method of dealing with the issue doesn't work on some level, you're mistaken. However, you're free to choose the method you deem most appropriate in dealing with the situation.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:50:00 - [235] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas We had a fight a few weeks ago, it would have topped out at 300ish (Just GF/Test and Atlas) and we were getting module and grid lag. Three hundred.. Well that sucks. But being curious was it an ad hoc fight that escalated from a smaller conflict? Or was it a pre planned fight on a reinforced node that ccp was notified about? Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
enterprisePSI Gallente Unimatrix 0.1	Posted - 2010.07.30 04:58:00 - [236] Edited by: enterprisePSI on 30/07/2010 04:58:27 Think about it. I do not think lag will be ever fixed. Unless they restore it 2 expansions ago. And then people will whine again about "ZOMG wheres PI and stuff" They will deploy a patch that will "pseudo fix" the lag only to destroy it again on next expansion. Only a well coordinated attempt will force them. Something like getting at least 60% of subscribers to not resub next month. Something like a strike. Off course such a venture is impossible..... Tears, or the titan dies!
JoBa70	Posted - 2010.07.30 05:05:00 - [237] Originally by: Zeba Wtb: Dominion trailer that shows a 1000 ship fleet fight. At the most there might have beem a bit over a hundred in system if you had actually took the time to pause the video and count the ships. That amount of pilots in a single system is perfectly playable right now as long as you tell ccp ahead of time. But hey lets not let silly stuff like logic get in the way of a good rant thread. It would be logical to realize that this trailer simply advertizes large fleet battles, rather than counting single ships. Oh well...
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.30 05:05:00 - [238] Originally by: enterprisePSI Edited by: enterprisePSI on 30/07/2010 04:58:27 Think about it. I do not think lag will be ever fixed. Unless they restore it 2 expansions ago. And then people will whine again about "ZOMG wheres PI and stuff" They will deploy a patch that will "pseudo fix" the lag only to destroy it again on next expansion. Only a well coordinated attempt will force them. Something like getting at least 60% of subscribers to not resub next month. Something like a strike. Off course such a venture is impossible..... lag will never go away, but they have demonstrated that they can minimize it to the point the game is playable and fun even at larger numbers what we have now is terrible lag with even moderate numbers and exacerbating that is other terrible lag that seems to show up with minimal numbers, traveling, across the board they can fix it. if they don't, well we won't be playing this game much longer what i hope for is that they learn a lesson from this and -once fixed, try not to screw with performance pertinent code they obviously don't understand anymore -if they DO change something and performance takes a dive, be responsible enough to say "our bad, we will roll this patch back until we can solve the issue" ccp shouldn't be afraid to back out of a patch that hurts their game in the future. chop it up into several pieces if you can't figure out what's tipping the boat. whatever it takes. if they learn ANYTHING i hope to god they learn this. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.30 05:25:00 - [239] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas We had a fight a few weeks ago, it would have topped out at 300ish (Just GF/Test and Atlas) and we were getting module and grid lag. Three hundred.. Well that sucks. But being curious was it an ad hoc fight that escalated from a smaller conflict? Or was it a pre planned fight on a reinforced node that ccp was notified about? It was a fight that you wouldn't have to petition for pre-dominion.
StainLessStealRat Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.07.30 05:50:00 - [240] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Mire Stoude Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38 The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution. Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw. Bingo. The people that are whining the most are the people that bring 1K to every fight and complain that they can't bring more. You want to fix the game CCP? Make a stacking penalty for bringing blobs to a fight. The more you bring the less damage you do. That will fix the ****ing blobing and the lag. Encourage skill over numbers and when a gang of 50 kills a blob of 400 there will be no more blobs and lag. But nooooo. They want CCP to "fix" the game so that they can bring 2K. Than it will be 3K, 4K and so on. Dude STFU, If you were not in IT you would just be a douche but since you are you become a hipocritcal douche who does not know what your talking about Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels. Zymurgist
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.30 06:18:00 - [241] Edited by: Liranan on 30/07/2010 06:22:51 Can one of the many clueless CCP defenders, like Ranger1, and those who are saying CCP will fix the game once Incarna's been released please show where CCP have said they will reallocate all teams, or at least any number, to fixing EVE? From the CSM minutes: Quote: The discussion focused on introducing new features versus improving existing ones. CCP stated that once Incarna and planetary interaction with its link to Dust are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features. If you don't know what the bolded word means you need to go back to primary school, which most of you need to anyway. All ye CCP defenders, defend this: Quote: It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features. Do you know what that means? That means that once released Incarna will no longer be new, and all teams will be allocated to working on something new, because fixing Incarna (which will be released in Beta stage) won't bring in new customers. Thus, you will be left with your hair salons, restaurants, clothes shops but none of the will work because CCP won't give you anything to work with. But it's obvious none of you have any clue whatsoever because you can't even look at previous lolexpansions and see that NONE of the features released by CCP have been completed, because advertising a working game doesn't sell, unlike advertising new broken things. Again, back to primary school because you don't understand the meaning of the word none. Why are CCP doing this? Because they can. Not because this is their game, because it isn't, this game very much belongs to the players as well as their shareholders and investors, they're doing this because they're the only company who are offering such a game. However this doesn't mean CCP have carte blanche to do as they see fit, because players come and go and looking at the data new players haven't been coming in droves, despite massive advertisement. So, how can this go? This can only go downhill and the data does seem to show that **ed off players have a habit of doing things in order to force a company to comply with their wishes, before they all leave. CCP may only be interested in obtaining new customers but considering this game has a very low retention rate it's quite funny they're scorning us in order to draw in those birds in the bush, who won't stay anyway, rather than keep those they have in their hands. And for all those who say the majority of EVE don't live in 0.0 but in Empire: what're you going to do with all your money and minerals when people leave 0.0? You going to hoard your Trit for fun? Do you even know how much low ends it takes to build a Titan? Of course not, if you did you'd know that without 0.0 there would be no industry, because not nearly enough ships are lost in Empire to compensate for the massive draw of minerals cap ship programs require. How about your Golems and your t2 ships? Where you going to get enough moon minerals from when the moons aren't being mine any longer? But hey, you're right, who cares? I say all 0.0 denizens should go to empire and run missions there, then we'll see Threadtitans by carebears about how the game and how broken lag is. The ignorance in this thread is terrifying. Emo hairdressers, hairy chefs and wannabe cool guys all dying to show off their kewl clothing is really pretty aweful to real. There is already a game for you lot: Second Life. But I'll take Incarna as long as I can have a certain moustache, a huge Afro with a certain cute cut and a beautiful black uniform with some sexy emblems, the /March emote and some sexy automatic lines regarding Space Jews Until then Incarna with its Goth self mutilating little girls can go die in a fire, I want to see the game fixed and I don't mean just lag. Farjung is my God** You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Steel Magnum	Posted - 2010.07.30 06:48:00 - [242] Quote: 'CCP has invested significant time and resources throughout EVE's history on increasing the performance of fleet fights. We've always had a team of developers devoted to improving our technology and in recent years we made exponential headway through massive server upgrades and initiatives like "Stackless IO". Ok so let me get this straight... CCP says "Eve has been increasing its performance"..... Players say "Fleet battles that used to happen can no longer happen do to "new" lag issues"... Hmmmm someone seems to be lying.
Zeuth Proxy Caldari Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2010.07.30 07:03:00 - [243] What a lot of "Empire Dwellers" fail to realize is that what happens in 0,0 does in fact directly effect empire. A majority of moon minerals which are used to build your marauders and hulks come from 0,0. Almost all pirate faction mods which are used by a lot of empire dwellers come from 0,0. War makes the Eve economy grow. Some forget whenever 0,0 is in a major war the mineral prices skyrocket empire production becomes alot more profitable. When 0,0 is stale then the economy tanks. The recent outcry is more on the current direction CCP has been taking when it comes to this game. They seem to care more about quantity instead of quality. Every patch they have released things that are half finished and then leave them without fixing them. The fact that their priority was clearly stated that they are more focused on releasing new content instead of fixing things that are already in game is what angers most. Most people are mad because they do genuinely LOVE this game, thats why they are acting the way they are. Due to seeing the game that they care about going in a direction which only cares about attracting newer players for a couple months and making profit then about some of us who have stuck with Eve and CCP for many years now.
Scyyy	Posted - 2010.07.30 07:06:00 - [244] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Originally by: Ranger 1 Actually, yes he can. So can anyone else that knows anything about this type of work. You have put in a nutshell the entire false premise than 99% of the people complaining about lag are spewing on the forums currently. Yes, more people are working on Incarna. Incarna requires the input of a huge and diverse group of specialists, none of which are qualified to work on lag issues. A 5 to 10 man specialist team working on the lag issues in EVE is dangerously close to a serious case of diminshing returns as it is. If you put your best team of specialists on a project that involves probing deeping into the underlying code of EVE, you have made that issue a priority. How many graphic artists you have working on visuals and lighting algorithms for a future expansion is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have your best team, skilled in the particular issue you are trying to resolve, working together to come up with a solution. These folks have the skills, they could be working on other aspects of EVE's code instead, but instead are devoting a significant portion of their time to a serious issue. Not really sure how you can keep missing the point on this one. That's absolutely laughable. I'm not sure why you're so interested in defending CCP over anything else. First, you miss the point of my post which was it's not just the lag, it's the existing features. Second, I know very well that you could put 20 people on analyzing the code changes from before december 09 and after, analyzing the results from fleet tests, and analyzing code in general, trying to figure out what is the bottleneck here. Don't try to tell me that only 5 people can work on fixing lag. There were many more working on it at one time, CCP could confirm this if they wanted to. You really should probably learn a thing or two about programming before you talk. It will make you look like less of an idiot.
Nedefeg	Posted - 2010.07.30 08:43:00 - [245] So this nice little restaurant that was selling only exclusive exotic food noone else in town sold, having relatively few but rich customers , who really enjoyed the special menu`s there....decided onr day, that because the Mcdonalds next door had so many more customers...the obvious thing to do is to start selling hamburgers aswell....so they tasked all there cooks to start on hamburgers asap
Theo Salvador	Posted - 2010.07.30 08:55:00 - [246] you could see this as a good thing, stop playing boring, blob wars, it's about time ccp give small-scale pvp some sort of incentive so that gang sizes reduce and potentially save real pvp in this game rather than f1 to f8 corpsing.
JoBa70	Posted - 2010.07.30 11:31:00 - [247] Originally by: Theo Salvador you could see this as a good thing, stop playing boring, blob wars, it's about time ccp give small-scale pvp some sort of incentive so that gang sizes reduce and potentially save real pvp in this game rather than f1 to f8 corpsing. I'm not into large scale fleet wars either. However, even I realize that 0.0 sov and the battles around it are at the heart of EVE. And no, I don't see the solution in turning 0.0 into low sec and roam wit gangs of 20. If thats all whats left of EVE it would be as good as dead.
Kate McCann	Posted - 2010.07.30 11:37:00 - [248] Originally by: Theo Salvador you could see this as a good thing, stop playing boring, blob wars, it's about time ccp give small-scale pvp some sort of incentive so that gang sizes reduce and potentially save real pvp in this game rather than f1 to f8 corpsing. I'm sure people are going to have lots of fun shooting 200 million EHP inhubs with 20 man gangs.
Krusty McNugget	Posted - 2010.07.30 11:37:00 - [249] Edited by: Krusty McNugget on 30/07/2010 11:39:09 Edited by: Krusty McNugget on 30/07/2010 11:38:04 tl:dr Stop making new sh't, start fixing old s'hit Originally by: Theo Salvador you could see this as a good thing, stop playing boring, blob wars, it's about time ccp give small-scale pvp some sort of incentive so that gang sizes reduce and potentially save real pvp in this game rather than f1 to f8 corpsing. Originally by: Theo Salvador you could see this as a good thing, stop playing boring, blob wars, it's about time ccp give small-scale pvp some sort of incentive so that gang sizes reduce and potentially save real pvp in this game rather than f1 to f8 corpsing. I know for a fact that more ppl do the small scale pvp now, because blob wars, wich btw could be fun 2 years ago.. is not in anyway possible to do now.. The situation today is, that with 60 other ppl in local you get lag on guns cycling, and drones exiting drone bays.. wich is bad, it wasent that bad before PI.. and id says 30 vs 30 is in the smaller end of the "blob" warfare scale. Also, i had 1 of my chars go stuck, as in black screen on login, and 2 other chars giving me the same error repetedly with the following messege: Your character has repeatedly failed loading on the server. This indicates a fault and support personnel need to be notified. Please file a petition. Apologies for the inconvenience... The EVE Dev Team. This was in the system i was ratting in, i had 3 chars inthere and no one else was ratting at the time.. i filed a stuck petetion and got my char moved. when i contacted CCP (as the error says i should do) on my other 2 account wich did not get stuck but only recived the above error messege i was told to mearly clear my cache, i did not as im not the only one having issues, [irony]alto my corp mates was please to hear that i could fix all their lag related problems by just simply clearing the cache on my computer [/irony] I dont think that lag is as bad as where im ratting everywhere, eg. my reaction towers system is not as bad. but the fact of the matter is, that theres an issue, and atleaset 100-200ppl living in the same area as me is loggin on everyday battlling 10-20 sec's of jump lag in quiet systems with 1 or 2 ppl in them, making trades in stations is like making trades in jita.. I was a verry sad panda, and still sorta is.. but reading that CCP has made this their top priority makes me a bit happy.. altho i would have had a ton more credebility and awseomness in it, if CCP had made it its priority without its subscribers forcing them into doing it.
Wintron Auto Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.30 11:39:00 - [250] Edited by: Wintron Auto on 30/07/2010 11:45:13 voted a few times with my wallet already funny, i seem to remember the saga of SWG ending this way too I'm curious though, if anyone had facts as opposed to garbage, how long the average empire-dweller stays subscribed, versus how many accounts the average 0.0 warriah has for a length of 2 years or more edit to add my own guess: the average empire kiddy's account lasts 1 month, dragged down by the ten thousand throwaway trial accounts running at any time
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Bite me inc. SRS.	Posted - 2010.07.30 12:33:00 - [251] "Voting with your wallet" as many (disgruntled) players seem to be suggesting might not be the 'best' course of action. Regardless of what YOU might think about this game, I myself would like to continue to be able to play it. Unsubbing my aco****(s) will not help towards that end whatever the results of it might be. CCP has clearly stated in the CSM minutes that according to their 'research data' there is more to be gained for them by focussing on new customer aquisition by introducing new features and promoting these OVER polishing core systems in order to keep customer retainment high. Wouldn't the obvious solution be to directly link customer retention (and satisfaction) with customer aquisition? To put it simply: Whining against CCP has proven to be useless as they simply don't value us (the players already paying for their game) over potential new players (people not yet paying for their game). To make CCP see the light the only course of action that seems logical to me is to kick them where it hurts, where THEY care about. Posting negative inside reviews/news/updates/rants/situational reports to all the major gaming (review/news) sites will affect new player aquisition much more than whatever new features they publish and promote. They believe customer aquisition is more important than customer retention? Well then I guess we will just have to show them nobody wants to start playing a game where half of the userbase is (vocally) unhappy about the game and/or the company producing said game. +10 internets to OP for linking those sites. May many more follow! pro-tip: start sending out detailed factual reports to every single gaming site you know. The more we send, the more likely they will post something. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Irritating Troll	Posted - 2010.07.30 13:26:00 - [252] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: BuckStrider Quote: But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video. Of any thread running right now....This line is the best response of any. 10/10 Wtb: Dominion trailer that shows a 1000 ship fleet fight. At the most there might have beem a bit over a hundred in system if you had actually took the time to pause the video and count the ships. That amount of pilots in a single system is perfectly playable right now as long as you tell ccp ahead of time. But hey lets not let silly stuff like logic get in the way of a good rant thread. Epic failsauce, and lack of forum situational awareness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2oxt7Nrxo&annotation_id=annotation_138481&feature=iv Pay special attention to what is said at 1:30. The game IS advertised as being able to sustain those gigantic engagements.
Keen Fallsword	Posted - 2010.07.30 14:27:00 - [253] CCP - you got problem. What about players strike ? jita ?
alittlebirdy	Posted - 2010.07.30 15:27:00 - [254] Originally by: Irritating Troll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2oxt7Nrxo&annotation_id=annotation_138481&feature=iv Pay special attention to what is said at 1:30. The game IS advertised as being able to sustain those gigantic engagements. But if you notice, the game is advertised with bugs... and fail... first off why is the hulk being nueted and still mining, then why does he have no strip miners on once everyone is killed? Teh fail and teh bugs! lol
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.30 17:29:00 - [255] Quote: What a lot of "Empire Dwellers" fail to realize is that what happens in 0,0 does in fact directly effect empire. A majority of moon minerals which are used to build your marauders and hulks come from 0,0. Almost all pirate faction mods which are used by a lot of empire dwellers come from 0,0. And none of that ** comes from fleet warfare. Your Just **ed because you think CCP doesn't listen to 0.0 dwellers. I am glad they don't listen to ANY trolls. For example there is a 20 some page thread about nerfing the drake. Plead your case using logic next time. This is clearly a signature.
achoura	Posted - 2010.07.30 17:37:00 - [256] Aye but the problem is ever since faction warfare taking 100 people into lowsec causes more lag than a 0.0 fleet fight :) *The EVE servers and their patches*
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.30 17:42:00 - [257] Originally by: Irritating Troll Originally by: Zeba Originally by: BuckStrider Quote: But, you can't put out this, and then not acknowledge that you COMPLETELY FAIL to deliver on any aspect of anything that's happening in that video. Of any thread running right now....This line is the best response of any. 10/10 Wtb: Dominion trailer that shows a 1000 ship fleet fight. At the most there might have beem a bit over a hundred in system if you had actually took the time to pause the video and count the ships. That amount of pilots in a single system is perfectly playable right now as long as you tell ccp ahead of time. But hey lets not let silly stuff like logic get in the way of a good rant thread. Epic failsauce, and lack of forum situational awareness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2oxt7Nrxo&annotation_id=annotation_138481&feature=iv Pay special attention to what is said at 1:30. The game IS advertised as being able to sustain those gigantic engagements. The video he had linked was the Dominion trailer not the Butterfly Effect so what was that about forum situational awareness? As far as what as said about epic fleet fights with thousands of players at 1:30? Welp the Butterfly Effect trailer came out before Dominion when epic thousand ship fleet fights were still doable. So maybe ccp should go back and edit it then just to make you happy? Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.30 18:58:00 - [258] Originally by: Cipher Jones I am glad they don't listen to ANY trolls. No kidding. You'd give them one hell of a headache. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Wu Jiaqiu Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.07.30 21:22:00 - [259] Edited by: Wu Jiaqiu on 30/07/2010 21:22:30 hopefully this is the push ccp needs to fix the lag
Doppleganger Minmatar Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.30 22:01:00 - [260] The thing is many people that are shouting now are probably the ones that have done 0.0 warfare for years with much less lag then we are seeing now. I can remember 300 people fights in the past that were much more playable then they are now. Is it too much to ask for to have the playing experience as enjoyable without lag now as it was yrs ago?
Zeuth Proxy Caldari Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2010.07.31 00:01:00 - [261] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: What a lot of "Empire Dwellers" fail to realize is that what happens in 0,0 does in fact directly effect empire. A majority of moon minerals which are used to build your marauders and hulks come from 0,0. Almost all pirate faction mods which are used by a lot of empire dwellers come from 0,0. And none of that ** comes from fleet warfare. Your Just **ed because you think CCP doesn't listen to 0.0 dwellers. I am glad they don't listen to ANY trolls. For example there is a 20 some page thread about nerfing the drake. Plead your case using logic next time. Majority of fleet warfare IS over high end moons. As well as Sov wars to allow for space to rat and plex in some what safety. While you may think I lack logic, it is you who fail at realizing and understanding the residual effects of EvE.
5kyscreamx Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.31 00:06:00 - [262] unsubbing 3 accounts will come back when you ******s fix your game. =====
Kylod	Posted - 2010.07.31 05:19:00 - [263] Here's to the future. One where lag won't decide the fate of epic battles. Indeed CCP has created a masterpiece. I hope they (the developers) understand that the EVE comunity is fighting for the game. What I see happening here is a failure to communicate between the two parties. Trust is at an all time low. Introducing more features before the lag issue is fixed is going to be seen as another stab in the back. Regretably, more features will be introduced. I just hope that the features bring in enough new subscribers so that CCP can then allocate the extra revenue to fix the problem. Kinda a chicken and egg scenerio.
tmasher	Posted - 2010.07.31 05:35:00 - [264] Originally by: Kylod I just hope that the features bring in enough new subscribers so that CCP can then allocate the extra revenue to fix the problem. Kinda a chicken and egg scenerio. It won't. CCP will most likely continue on the downward spiral to seduce more and more new players at an increasing rate because there's more money in it for them. The number of new players they can bring in by flashing shiny new things to gamers outweighs the number of old players they'd maintain by actually addressing the now-uncountable number of problems plaguing every single aspect of this game. For every disgruntled vet that quits Eve there are 10 new people signing up. This new report by a more-or-less popular external 3rd party is a step in the right direction. You want to force CCP to address these issues? Start scaring potential new players off by giving Eve the bad press it deserves.
Alice D	Posted - 2010.07.31 06:10:00 - [265] What lag?
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.31 06:14:00 - [266] Originally by: tmasher Originally by: Kylod I just hope that the features bring in enough new subscribers so that CCP can then allocate the extra revenue to fix the problem. Kinda a chicken and egg scenerio. It won't. CCP will most likely continue on the downward spiral to seduce more and more new players at an increasing rate because there's more money in it for them. The number of new players they can bring in by flashing shiny new things to gamers outweighs the number of old players they'd maintain by actually addressing the now-uncountable number of problems plaguing every single aspect of this game. For every disgruntled vet that quits Eve there are 10 new people signing up. This new report by a more-or-less popular external 3rd party is a step in the right direction. You want to force CCP to address these issues? Start scaring potential new players off by giving Eve the bad press it deserves. So much anger out of so few players. We all realize that fleet fights suck arse but really what does that have to do with the vast majority of players who never see any lag whatsoever in their daily routines? So to make your argument a little clearer could you maybe list every single uncountable problem that plagues ever single aspect of eve? I mean I like to dabble in pretty much everything eve has to offer past lulz fleet fights that exist to really only settle some e-peen score a couple of the major alliance leaders have with each other. Lets be realistic. Most alliances are run by less than 10 players with the thousands of other members pretty much being cannon fodder and mules with absolutely no say in anything. So who the hell is going to quit? 10 players with too much ego or the other few thousand players who are just as happy grinding l4 missions as they are grinding pos down to hull? This my friends is the real motivation behind all the rage atm: A bunch of silly e-peening players pulling the wool over their entier alliances eyes just to make sure their egos are stoked. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Xroxreariad Ramatarapap	Posted - 2010.07.31 07:49:00 - [267] Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 07:53:28 Originally by: Zeba Most alliances are run by less than 10 players with the thousands of other members pretty much being cannon fodder and mules with absolutely no say in anything. And yet those thousands of living human drones have that interesting idea that if their small niche in this game is broken, everything must be broken and whole Eve is going straight down to hell. Originally by: Zeba This my friends is the real motivation behind all the rage atm: A bunch of silly e-peening players pulling the wool over their entier alliances eyes just to make sure their egos are stoked. /thread
Bonny Lee Caldari Starkstrom Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.07.31 09:00:00 - [268] 2006 there was lag too, but the community wasnt filled with crybabys that do think nothing ist done, because they dont get a solution after the second the cry. Damn go home and play something else if you dont like the state of eve. It sucks so much to read this forum these days.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.31 09:08:00 - [269] Originally by: Bonny Lee 2006 there was lag too, but the community wasnt filled with crybabys that do think nothing ist done, because they dont get a solution after the second the cry. Damn go home and play something else if you dont like the state of eve. It sucks so much to read this forum these days. wtf are you smoking? The forums were exactly the same in 2006/7 - every third post mentioned lag. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.31 09:21:00 - [270] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: tmasher Originally by: Kylod I just hope that the features bring in enough new subscribers so that CCP can then allocate the extra revenue to fix the problem. Kinda a chicken and egg scenerio. It won't. CCP will most likely continue on the downward spiral to seduce more and more new players at an increasing rate because there's more money in it for them. The number of new players they can bring in by flashing shiny new things to gamers outweighs the number of old players they'd maintain by actually addressing the now-uncountable number of problems plaguing every single aspect of this game. For every disgruntled vet that quits Eve there are 10 new people signing up. This new report by a more-or-less popular external 3rd party is a step in the right direction. You want to force CCP to address these issues? Start scaring potential new players off by giving Eve the bad press it deserves. So much anger out of so few players. We all realize that fleet fights suck arse but really what does that have to do with the vast majority of players who never see any lag whatsoever in their daily routines? Are you really this ignorant, or are you just playing devil's advocate here? Most people who've been playing more than a couple of months have at least an inkling of how the hi-sec and 0.0 economies affect each other. Just to give you the most obvious example: where do you think the low end minerals to build all those capitals and supercaps comes from? What effect on a humble hi-sec miner do you think lag making fleet combat impractical has had? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.31 09:23:00 - [271] If you want to show your discontent even more logon to mmorpg.com and change your vote to express your current appreciation for the state of the game. Such things do have an influence.
Liranan H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.07.31 11:36:00 - [272] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: What a lot of "Empire Dwellers" fail to realize is that what happens in 0,0 does in fact directly effect empire. A majority of moon minerals which are used to build your marauders and hulks come from 0,0. Almost all pirate faction mods which are used by a lot of empire dwellers come from 0,0. And none of that ** comes from fleet warfare. Your Just ed because you think CCP doesn't listen to 0.0 dwellers. I am glad they don't listen to ANY trolls. For example there is a 20 some page thread about nerfing the drake. Plead your case using logic next time. You want to know what EVE will be like without the activity that comes from 0.0? Go play on Serenity for a week. Hulks are 500m, HACs are more and caps are very, very rare. You know absolutely nothing about the game, bar the missions you run. Farjung is my God** You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Xroxreariad Ramatarapap	Posted - 2010.07.31 12:00:00 - [273] Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 12:04:24 Originally by: Liranan You want to know what EVE will be like without the activity that comes from 0.0? Go play on Serenity for a week. Hulks are 500m, HACs are more and caps are very, very rare. Maybe. And if you ask me that would be best thing to happen in last 5 years - loss would again mean something.
Baastardo	Posted - 2010.07.31 13:19:00 - [274] Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 12:09:52 Originally by: Liranan You want to know what EVE will be like without the activity that comes from 0.0? Go play on Serenity for a week. Hulks are 500m, HACs are more and caps are very, very rare. Maybe. And if you ask me that would be best thing to happen in last 5 years - loss would again mean something. Although I bet you rich trigger happy 0.0 kids would not be very happy with that change. Because you just love hotdropping multiple carriers on lone t3 cruiser, don't you? Here is me praying that no one ever asks you!
Doppleganger Minmatar Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.31 16:35:00 - [275] Originally by: Zeba So much anger out of so few players. We all realize that fleet fights suck arse but really what does that have to do with the vast majority of players who never see any lag whatsoever in their daily routines? So to make your argument a little clearer could you maybe list every single uncountable problem that plagues ever single aspect of eve? I mean I like to dabble in pretty much everything eve has to offer past lulz fleet fights that exist to really only settle some e-peen score a couple of the major alliance leaders have with each other. Lets be realistic. Most alliances are run by less than 10 players with the thousands of other members pretty much being cannon fodder and mules with absolutely no say in anything. So who the hell is going to quit? 10 players with too much ego or the other few thousand players who are just as happy grinding l4 missions as they are grinding pos down to hull? This my friends is the real motivation behind all the rage atm: A bunch of silly e-peening players pulling the wool over their entier alliances eyes just to make sure their egos are stoked. How much rage do you think there would be if this same lvl of lag effected lvl 4 mission? Heck I have seen the rage when a couple of missioners lose a ship over lag and and it makes this seem tame by comparison. 0.0 pvp has been a standard in the game since I started back in '03. It has had as about as much to with this game being a sandbox then probably anything else in game. The player run empires in my opinion add more to the game then the mostly static NPC empires do. I would need to check but I believe there has been more news stories about player driven events from 0.0 then there has ever been from empire. Why would CCP not want to fix that part of the game asap and not in 18 months? I think this part of the game needs improvement and not just postponed. When I look at new games if I seem any hint that the gameplay in certain areas suffers from things like this I would pass the game by. I like EVE and just dont like part of it I have enjoyed for yrs become unplayable and thats my beef.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.31 16:56:00 - [276] Originally by: Liranan Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: What a lot of "Empire Dwellers" fail to realize is that what happens in 0,0 does in fact directly effect empire. A majority of moon minerals which are used to build your marauders and hulks come from 0,0. Almost all pirate faction mods which are used by a lot of empire dwellers come from 0,0. And none of that ** comes from fleet warfare. Your Just **ed because you think CCP doesn't listen to 0.0 dwellers. I am glad they don't listen to ANY trolls. For example there is a 20 some page thread about nerfing the drake. Plead your case using logic next time. You want to know what EVE will be like without the activity that comes from 0.0? Go play on Serenity for a week. Hulks are 500m, HACs are more and caps are very, very rare. You know absolutely nothing about the game, bar the missions you run. Learn to read troll. I never said anything about EvE not having 0.0 activity. You even quoted me and still drew a non sequitur conclusion. This is clearly a signature.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.07.31 17:05:00 - [277] Originally by: Cipher Jones Learn to read troll. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.31 17:13:00 - [278] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 31/07/2010 17:15:31 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Cipher Jones Learn to read troll. Reading comprehension =/= agreeing with an opinion. As a matter of fact the source for this thread turned out to be a hoax yet still 10 pages. I guess I am a troll for even replying, just like everyone else here. This is clearly a signature.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.07.31 18:41:00 - [279] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Zeba Originally by: tmasher Originally by: Kylod I just hope that the features bring in enough new subscribers so that CCP can then allocate the extra revenue to fix the problem. Kinda a chicken and egg scenerio. It won't. CCP will most likely continue on the downward spiral to seduce more and more new players at an increasing rate because there's more money in it for them. The number of new players they can bring in by flashing shiny new things to gamers outweighs the number of old players they'd maintain by actually addressing the now-uncountable number of problems plaguing every single aspect of this game. For every disgruntled vet that quits Eve there are 10 new people signing up. This new report by a more-or-less popular external 3rd party is a step in the right direction. You want to force CCP to address these issues? Start scaring potential new players off by giving Eve the bad press it deserves. So much anger out of so few players. We all realize that fleet fights suck arse but really what does that have to do with the vast majority of players who never see any lag whatsoever in their daily routines? Are you really this ignorant, or are you just playing devil's advocate here? Most people who've been playing more than a couple of months have at least an inkling of how the hi-sec and 0.0 economies affect each other. Just to give you the most obvious example: where do you think the low end minerals to build all those capitals and supercaps comes from? What effect on a humble hi-sec miner do you think lag making fleet combat impractical has had? You act like nullsec corps are the only ones that use caps and supercaps. My humble litle fw corp I am currently in has a few titans, several dozen sc with scores of carriers and dreads and goes out regularly to kill other caps and supercaps. We are not the only small corp in fw to have these things and moar and moar are getting them every day. So no, laggy unplayable nullsec fleet fights have little impact on eve in general as all the other stuff in nullsec works just fine like production pos and ratting or exploring or all the other stuff that makes the economy tick. Hell it can be argued that fw has taken over the top position for daily ship destuction long before dominion came out so again not being able to have blobby fleet fights has not been an issue on profitability or market strength. It might also be said that with the overall peace in nullsec due to not being able to easily take someones territory that production is at an all time high with no breaks due to a moon changing hands along with the need to feed all those ships to the low sec corps that are using and moar importantly losing them daily. Saying all that I still sympathise with the guys whose fun has been quashed due to unplayable fleet fights and hope ccp fixes it soon. But to say that not being able to have blobby fleet fights is killing or even negativly effecting eve in a major way is simply political spin to get ccp to somehow fix lag sooner. So whats the score on that tactic now if measured in threads? 1,370,374,296 attempts with 0 success? lol. Time for a new tactic guys as this one is just not working at all.. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Alphabits The Foreign Legion	Posted - 2010.07.31 20:51:00 - [280] well apple had antenna-gate, now ccp has evegate. oh wait, somethings not right..
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.31 21:09:00 - [281] Originally by: Zeba guff Right, because FW burns through ships at anything remotely like the same rate as 0.0 sov war? Saying that what happens in 0.0 does not affect hi-sec is just as ignorant and dishonest as saying that 0.0 isn't affected by hi-sec. But whatever. Why argue? If CCP carry on like they have been we'll find out definitely one way or the other, right? Why waste energy speculating. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Ham2000	Posted - 2010.07.31 22:51:00 - [282] Edited by: Ham2000 on 31/07/2010 22:55:04 Ok, so where do hi-sec mission runners get their faction mods from? I mean except for the empire ones from LP store? Thats right, they come from 0.0, what about the faction ships, like the nightmare, yep thats 0.0 as well. Ok what about minerals, oh yeah the expensive ones come from 0.0. Hang on I'm seeing a pattern here.......... If there is too much lag to run large fleets, 0.0 becomes less secure, meaning less plexing etc as roaming gangs become more the norm. Tho this doesnt really matter, since lag is that great in some places that even empty systems are a challenge to rat in, far less plex in. It all has a knock on effect, watch as prices for mods go up as 0.0 chars unsub, the same chars that mainly get the materials from WH space to make your shiny T3 ships. Basically eve is interconnected, saying that 'its only 12%' of the player base doesnt really do it justice. Also better to stop lag creeping in now, because if they dont fix it now, do you expect them to fix it when it enters hi-sec? Edit: Also note that most T2 materials come from 0.0, yes some also come from low-sec, but most from 0.0 towers. Think what the impact is going to be on the whole market of eve.
theSONARnet Gallente IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.31 23:26:00 - [283] lol High-Sec Carebears think that this isn't their problem. When I started Eve 2008, I was like most of you a mission runner too, but got bored of it after a couple of months and moved on. I don't blame anyone who still loves it but then ask yourself what have changed in the meantime? Sleepers and the Epic Arcs (which is basically an average mission in it's core, so lets forget that) We were told that if the Sleepers thingy works then their AI will be moved to High Sec Missions. Now 1 year later, ... it didn't happen and it wont happen for the next 18 months. Ask yourself where is the new content for you? We're playing Eve because it's a spaceship game and not a FPS game like Dust, or a SciFi 2nd Life like Incarna (tbh, the only time I wanted something like that was when I was stuck in the station for some war-like reason, but the game world of Eve is still outside of the station and not in it). So why should CCP spend most of their development resources on something that isn't part of the main game while they could use that time and effort to put some love to the things we call Eve? Best way could be to make an expansion that gives us something new but easy to make for CCP, like T3 Frigs. <- So Hellmar has something new and shiny for his marketing ppl ... and use most of the developers to fix old content.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.08.01 06:45:00 - [284] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Zeba guff Right, because FW burns through ships at anything remotely like the same rate as 0.0 sov war? Saying that what happens in 0.0 does not affect hi-sec is just as ignorant and dishonest as saying that 0.0 isn't affected by hi-sec. But whatever. Why argue? If CCP carry on like they have been we'll find out definitely one way or the other, right? Why waste energy speculating. Fw burns through far more hulls than nullsec on any given day even before teh dominion lag fest lulz. Granted nullsec might get the top spot for part of a day when a few hundred caps go up in smoke during a fight but thats just a tiny blip compared to the daily destruction of fw. C'mon Malcanis I know you are a nullsec player and all but I also thought you had some common market sense too. Nullsec gets all the press because they have the big huge fights every once in a while but fw trumps nullsec on daily carnage and always has. Don't believe me? Then just start looking at the four fw killboards and then also look at the map on a daily basis. Notice all those huge blobs of kills in low sec compared to the few and far between blips in nullsec? Fw gets faaaaaar more average kills per day than nullsec could ever hope to achieve. Also fw drives the economy far better than nullsec due to the vast difference in ships and mods used whilst nullsec tends to be only bs and cap ships for the major fights. I would also wager that fw has a higher percentage of daily active players too. Diversity ftw. Also to comment on the last part of your post if every single nullsec alliance quit tommorow in protest it would actually be less than the amount of botters ccp booted during holy rage. And thats figuring in that every member of every alliance quit instead of the moar likely outcome of the top few annoyed alliance leaders quiting whilst the thousands of cannon fodder members simply went on to something else in the game like they already do 95% of the time between ops. Tbh mate I think you might be a bit too close to the 'problem' to see it clearly for what it really is. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
Sebesto Minmatar Destination Unknown	Posted - 2010.08.01 06:51:00 - [285] 'CCP has invested significant time and resources throughout EVE's history on increasing the performance of fleet fights. We've always had a team of developers devoted to improving our technology and in recent years we made exponential headway through massive server upgrades and initiatives like "Stackless IO". Quoted from http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=257782 If you have a team that is dedicated to making lag go away, then it is time to fire that team and get a new team. Server upgrades won't always fix the lag, check the code.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.08.01 06:58:00 - [286] Originally by: Sebesto 'CCP has invested significant time and resources throughout EVE's history on increasing the performance of fleet fights. We've always had a team of developers devoted to improving our technology and in recent years we made exponential headway through massive server upgrades and initiatives like "Stackless IO". Quoted from http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=257782 If you have a team that is dedicated to making lag go away, then it is time to fire that team and get a new team. Server upgrades won't always fix the lag, check the code. glances at the sov map and notices that pretty much every system worth taking has already been taken with attendant outpost and cynojammer in place with the relevant improvements all at max or nearly max level I would wager several hundred billions that the 'lag fix' is imminent. Maybe even the next patch. Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.

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