Please read this post and don't ruin a part of the game I enjoy.
The Hulk has two issues
1.) The ore hold is to small. When ice harvesters cycle, there is not enough room in the hold one strip miner will shut off. This means that every cycle you will have to restart one and move your ice out. That alone would make the ship useless next to the new Makinaw. You need to at least double the size.
When I'm mining roids I get one cycle. That's insane, and yes I fly with a Orca so every cycle I need to move the ore out?
2.) The bonuses compared to the Makinaw brings into question why would I bother using this ship for an 20% difference in yield? I would trade the convenience of afk Mining with a Makinaw any day of the week.
The Ore hold needs to be at least 12K m3. Even with the mining bonuses retained, compared to the other exhumers the new Hulk is questionable at best.
Please don't ruin my hulk.
The Makinaw
Love the concept but you should extend the middle section of the ship to reflect the extremely large ore hold. Now I know the art guys love to do more then what is required and will want to redesign the whole ship but don't let them, because it will take them a year to get around to a full redesign. :-)
Skiff
I get the concept, but the logistics of low sec ninja mining are simply not very profitable. The transit times between the belt and station reduce the ISK per hour to the point that I can't see why I would even bother. Not to mention the risk in getting the ore back to high sec for sale. So unless you planning on anding a complimentary ore hauler with cloaking or other equivalent defensive attributes to the ship inventory your not providing a real use for this ship.
Well one out off three ain't bad. I'll finish with one final thought. Mining just became viable again, after several years of 2 isk veld pricing, don't screw it up. CCP has a very long track record of taking far to long to rebalance something after its been introduced. Drone region ring a bell?

You are blaming me to pull numbers out of my arse and not being able to understand percentages, yet claim that you yourself are for a constructive argument. One word about you on all these issues:

Delusional!

I get the concept, but the logistics of low sec ninja mining are simply not very profitable. ... So unless you planning on anding a complimentary ore hauler with cloaking...

Also AFK miners like you are the reason people stated ganking in the 1st place

I Have completed Calculus 4

1. To say that your a prick would be putting things lightly.
2. I openly admitted I was using percents incorrectly to explain my point. I was thinking about the actual amount of ore being mined (m3)
3. I have had more than one job using math and until this embarrassing moment I have never had an issue. Not that its any of your damned business but I Have completed Calculus 4 and completed the first year of Aerospace Engineering. 6 years as a US Navy Firecontrolman (Tomahawk Missile operator). So while you may question my skills they have been proven accurate under fire in real life.
4. You have to lighten the phaq up - your not the only person on this forum that has an opinion and the extreme close minded ignorance you display towards everyone else's view speaks highly of your character.
5. It is more than okay to give your input as to how you wish changes to this game to be implemented however don't forget you are talking to grown men and women who work very hard to bring you a product, so maintain a level of respect without stomping like a child about how if this doesnt get fixed you will quit eve (BYE!.
6. CCP has all end decisions on what direction they want to push this universe to generate their idea of fun and balance.
7. Don't post anymore crap that only has the purpose of 1 up-ing someone. That in no way has a positive outcome for any party. Its a discussion not a ROOSTER slapping contest. There is no reward for getting your epeen to level 100. except a single life with no girl surrounded by cats dressed like mechwarriors.
8. CARRY ON o7

I need you to Tomahawk me into a life where I am a person surrouned by cats dressed like mechwarrios. And I can only talk to them with the voice of Vader.

p.s. did you roll caldari in EVE?

Having 1 checkbox for 2 things that are completely unrelated? How is that extending anything?

This is another example of why this particular dev shouldn't be allowed to touch UI stuff. He has no concept of usability and workflow. Has he even ever played EVE? You know, just to see what all the hubbub is about?

Do you use your show-info windows the same way you use inventory windows?
Do you use your inventory windows the same way you use show-info windows?

Why in the ever loving hell should they be forced to behave the same way, when they don't have a goddamned thing to do with one another? 1 checkbox? Are you freakin' kidding me?

from i have seen on the test server. im very unhappy with having as many hulks as i have i'll never be abl to sell them now that they become useless to me

1) i now hav to fly all over the place to chance crystals in my cargohold ( yes im talking about the TINY space you've given us to work with )
a full set of t2 crystals for all the ore type would have needed a little less than 2500 m3 now i have to go with only 4 types of ore
so the little yield bonus i have will go completely lost on the time lost changing the crystals from cargohold.

2) orehold is simply too small give us 12-15000 m3 and a cargohold of 2500m3 WE NEED A DECENT GARGOHOLD


if you keep the new lesser hulk then you kick all your multi account PAYING COSTOMERS in the *******.
im not going to make a " i'll stop playing eve post" BUT... i have 4 of my 8 accounts that will become useless to me so i'll have to switch to ratting and then cancel my four mining only toons '

(not) way to go ccp - yet another example of ccp make high sec better and butting it up for the nul sec guys.

ruined hulk + **** up with chance to moon mining = why even bother with being in big nasty expensive nulsec


if you ( CCP devblog dude ) do not wish to read all o my rant about how your messing up then here is the short pointer

- bigger cargohold 2500m3 and bigger orehold 10000-15000 - <- thats my contructive point

The 'Shift' Setting discussion is to get a better idea of what solves the problem for most. In this case, having a separate 'Shift' setting that only applies to the Inventory would be optimal.

The 'Shift' Setting discussion is to get a better idea of what solves the problem for most. In this case, having a separate 'Shift' setting that only applies to the Inventory would be optimal. The only way to find the right solution is discussing all possibilities first. The idea about adding the 'Shift' option to the already existing 'Show Info' setting was just an idea that had been floating around since people want to try to stay away from constantly adding new settings in the 'Esc Menu'. Your input matters and helps us find the right solution.

The 'Shift' Setting discussion is to get a better idea of what solves the problem for most. In this case, having a separate 'Shift' setting that only applies to the Inventory would be optimal. The only way to find the right solution is discussing all possibilities first. The idea about adding the 'Shift' option to the already existing 'Show Info' setting was just an idea that had been floating around since people want to try to stay away from constantly adding new settings in the 'Esc Menu'. Your input matters and helps us find the right solution.

The 'Shift' Setting discussion is to get a better idea of what solves the problem for most. In this case, having a separate 'Shift' setting that only applies to the Inventory would be optimal. The only way to find the right solution is discussing all possibilities first. The idea about adding the 'Shift' option to the already existing 'Show Info' setting was just an idea that had been floating around since people want to try to stay away from constantly adding new settings in the 'Esc Menu'. Your input matters and helps us find the right solution.

The solution to most of the issues people are feeling is REALLY REALLY simple.

You do not have to complicate matters by making persistent SHIFT-click options in various places, or any other fancy ideas you have come up with recently.

All you have to do is these few SIMPLE things:

1. Bring back the remaining right click shortcuts, ORE Bay etc. Make ALL shortcuts open in a new window by default and remember size and position.
2. Bring back buttons for opening Ships, Items and Corp hangers. Make them open in a new window by default and remember size and position.
3. When in space, make the Cargo button open the cargo hold. NOT the inventory. Cargo button >>> Cargo hold. ItGÇÖs not rocket science. Make it open in a new window by default and remember size and position.

I honestly cannot understand why you have not re-introduced this functionality already. It really cannot be that complicated. Seriously.

Yeah! You have hit it! Shift+click is for me just a problem for the inventory. All other SHift+Clicks are acceptable and can stay as it was till 22.05.2012.

So with the setting turned on, these things would work without holding Shift:

• Clicking on the Cargo button in the HUD, would open up a new secondary cargo window.
• Double-click on wreck in Overview, would open up a new secondary cargo window.
• Double clicking on the name of a tab in the Index tree of the Inventory, would open up the content of that tab in a new secondary inventory window.

Is this accurate for how the setting would function?

This would change the behavior of double-click in the index tree, when the setting is turned off, double-click would expand the tree (if there is one) when double-clicking on the name of a tab in the index tree.

With it turned on however, it opens up the content of the tab in a new secondary inventory window. That means that if it has a sub-tree, the user would need to click on the sub-tree arrow to collapse it. Would that be acceptable?

Sounds about right

We are also adding the ability to drag tabs out of the index tree to open them as new secondary windows, that will always work, with or without this setting turned on.

Add the orca Corp hanger back to the right click and I think you have a winner. Are these changes live on Sisi?

We are also adding the ability to drag tabs out of the index tree to open them as new secondary windows, that will always work, with or without this setting turned on.

I Last note,
Don't whine, gripe, and sob about a problem when talking to the devs. For those who may not know 'Dev' is short for Developer... If you have a problem, offer a real solution. If you can't, then simply mention the issue and let it drop, so the Devs can get to work on it. They develop,

1. To say that your a prick would be putting things lightly.

2. I openly admitted I was using percents incorrectly to explain my point. I was thinking about the actual amount of ore being mined (m3).

3. I have had more than one job using math and until this embarrassing moment I have never had an issue. Not that its any of your damned business but I Have completed Calculus 4 and completed the first year of Aerospace Engineering. 6 years as a US Navy Firecontrolman (Tomahawk Missile operator). So while you may question my skills they have been proven accurate under fire in real life.

4. You have to lighten the phaq up - your not the only person on this forum that has an opinion and the extreme close minded ignorance you display towards everyone else's view speaks highly of your character.

5. It is more than okay to give your input as to how you wish changes to this game to be implemented however don't forget you are talking to grown men and women who work very hard to bring you a product, so maintain a level of respect without stomping like a child about how if this doesnt get fixed you will quit eve (BYE!.

6. CCP has all end decisions on what direction they want to push this universe to generate their idea of fun and balance.

7. Don't post anymore crap that only has the purpose of 1 up-ing someone. That in no way has a positive outcome for any party. Its a discussion not a ROOSTER slapping contest. There is no reward for getting your epeen to level 100. except a single life with no girl surrounded by cats dressed like mechwarriors.
8. CARRY ON o7

Hello!

I am in China right now (it's pretty much the same as Iceland, except everything is upside down) so I can't grab the complete list. We're looking to do a few bugfixes/changes for August (among them, dragging and dropping to create individual windows) and then give you a bigger bunch of changes come winter. Anyway, I'll be back in Iceland sometime late next week.