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Patri Andari
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:06:00 -
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CCP has lost its love affair with missiles and has done so without a bang or even a whimper from its subjects...
Was a time when the Nightmare, Machariel, and Rattlesnake were ships that bore, at least in part, a fair share of their total damage from missile hard points.
Fast forward to 2010. The Rattlesnke is the only Pirate BS with missile hard points and they only have a bonus to range. WTF?
The changes to Guristas were great if you are Gallente drone zealots! But what of those who concentrate on missiles? There is no real benefit in the pirate line for Caldari.
Vindicator Serpentis Battleship = Gallente + Minmatar Tracking speed bonus(Gallente) works well Web Bonus (Minmatar) works well also
Machariel Angel Batelship = Gallente + Minmatar (unfair to have 2 but can live with it) Projectile damage bonus (Minnie) works well Fall off bonus (Gallente)? Now, that's a stretch
Bhaalgorn Bloood Battleships = Amarr + Minmatar Nos/Neut drain (Amarr) Great Web Rannge (Min) Great
Nightmare Sansha Battleships Tracking bonus (Amarr) Great! Energy Turret Damage Bonus (Caldari) WTF! Where did that come from? We don't use those!
Rattlesnake Guristas Battleship (dumn di dumn dum) Drone damage bonus (but less that rigged T1 Sentry Domi) Misile range bonus (who the f*cares about missile range with delayed damage unless it has high alpha?)
HIDE YOUR CHILDREN FOR THIS!
The changes CCP made to eliminate missiles from pirate ships suck (eliminating missile harpoints from Nightmare and Machariel) but the changes the Gurista lineup in general and to the Rattlesnake in particular suck ass.
The Rattlesnake used to be one of the most coveted pirate ships in the game and commanded at least 900mil on the market. You can now buy one for about 400mil.
Why?
All those Rattlesnake owners had to train turrets or swich to a Navy Raven / Golem
They losts Value
Imagine if they turned the Vindicator, Machariel, and Nightmare into missile boats? Imagine how many peolple would loose value for the SP they trained?
No other Pirate Battleship trades for less than 800mil other than the lowly Rattlesnake because all those who owned one were skilled in missiles and not drones and they have been on a fire sale since.
To top things off CCP removed level 5 missions to low sec. Level 5 missions in high sec are the only reason to own a Rattlesnake! No one uses a drone boat to blitz level 5 missions! and the best way to make isk now is blitzing!
Bring back the Caldari rof damage bonus for the Rattlesnake! Serpentis are prime for drone bonuses! Leave the drones to the frenchys! Guristas use missiles!
Patri
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:53:00 -
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Science and Industry eh?
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.07.30 05:59:00 -
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Wrong section of the forums to be posting this rant.
On topic.. the Rattlesnake is fine. Sports ridiculous tank, perhaps the best sub-cap tank from what I've heard. Gives Caldari/Gallente diversity and other options. Gives gally pilots shield/missile boat, gives caldari heavy pilots a drone boat. Doesn't excel at either weapons platform, doesn't overall suck tho either. Its combined dps with its tank make for a fantastic ship.
Want a missile boat, fly a missile boat. Plenty already exist. Some people tho don't mind a change and some diveristy in their ships instead of spitting out the same **** that already exists in a raven haul.
That's my opinion and forums exist cause everyone has their own tho.
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phantomshura
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:15:00 -
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every race have already missile boats... what we need is moar lazor boats, the only race with lazors is amarr...
and i use my rattle snake for doing complexes =), because theres no way you can get below 0.5 doesnt mean theres no reason for not using it and i think pirate ships shouldnt be allowed in highsec or should be attacked by the navy...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: phantomshura every race have already missile boats... what we need is moar lazor boats, the only race with lazors is amarr...
At best every race has a torpedo boat (stealth bomber).
The Rattlesnake is a essentially a mission ship: all damage is delayed (unless you are using sentry drone, your drones need to reach the target), you have a missile (i.e. torpedo) bonus speed, 2 utility slots, tank is awesome and it is a shield tank.
You can argue that the decision to make it a mission ship was a bad one, but that is its current role.
I know that I am a oddity, but for the Gurista lineup I had a preference for the old Gila, even if the new one is very good. Similarly I would have preferred a hybrid using Rattlesnake.
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.30 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: phantomshura every race have already missile boats... what we need is moar lazor boats, the only race with lazors is amarr...
At best every race has a torpedo boat (stealth bomber).
The Rattlesnake is a essentially a mission ship: all damage is delayed (unless you are using sentry drone, your drones need to reach the target), you have a missile (i.e. torpedo) bonus speed, 2 utility slots, tank is awesome and it is a shield tank.
You can argue that the decision to make it a mission ship was a bad one, but that is its current role.
I know that I am a oddity, but for the Gurista lineup I had a preference for the old Gila, even if the new one is very good. Similarly I would have preferred a hybrid using Rattlesnake.
Old Rattlesnake made more sense. Sure it was hard to train for to be used to its best potential but it made sense and compared well to the typhoon imho.
New Rattlesnake is a joke. Too expensive for pvp & lvl 5 missions in low sec and too over tanked and under powered for blitzing level 4 missions in high sec.
Look up the ship on contracts! It's a joke! You loose isk sellig them!
Please fix this ship.
Right now it is an over tanked, under powered Domi and Gallente already have a Pirate ship that caters to their offensive weapon systems.(Vindicator)
Sure at level 5 siege it does semi decent damage but anyone with level 5 siege sold their Pirate ship when CCP changed the....Machariel....I mean the Nightmare....damnit i meant the Rattlesnake.
Every race now has a pirate ship that delivers more power to its main weapon system than its own Navy ship in the same class except Caldari.
Gallente have 2? In each class?
Frigate:
Daredevil: Hybrid damage Worm : Lots-o Drones
Cruiser
Vigilant: Scary Hybrid damage Gila: Moar drones
Battleship
Vindicator: Face melting Hybrid damage Rattlesnake: Drones left over from my Dommi
Give Guristas back their missile prowess or at least add some damed missile hard points on Sansha ships!
MOAR PIRATE MISSILE BOATS PLEASE!
Oh, and hey Venkul! o/
Me being me
Patri
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.30 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx Science and Industry eh?
Damnit you are right.
Wrong Forum.
Patri
I'll Roshambo You For That Titan! |
Viva Che
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Posted - 2010.07.30 17:04:00 -
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Inb4moved.
But I agree there ought to be more missile ships aside from the lackluster khanid ships and stealth-bombers. I don't consider the rattler a missile boat. It's just a drone ship with a range bonus so you can effectively grab a whole room full of aggro and afk, taking advantage of it's rediculous tank.
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.07.30 17:11:00 -
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I remember when missiles were the only weapon used in EVE. Everything else sucked.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.07.30 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 30/07/2010 17:19:55 I remember when lazors were death.
I remember the 4 year drought.
Im living their rebirth.
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.07.30 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness
Ccp cycles alot. Dont fret. Ok fret some but do it quietly over there in the corner.
Your right, but after a few martinis I start posting and my poor heart just opens up [sniff]
Patri
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Iamalia Sed
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Posted - 2010.07.30 20:49:00 -
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There's already more than enough missile spammage going on with all the fecking Drakes, Tengus and Ravens everywhere. Stop whining.
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Viva Che
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Posted - 2010.07.30 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Iamalia Sed There's already more than enough missile spammage going on with all the fecking Drakes, Tengus and Ravens everywhere. Stop whining.
Posting to confirm that three ships is a lot.
Queue us up some more Drake tears would ya?
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