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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zeke Mobius How long until CCP goes F2P with eve?
Will happen the same day WoW goes F2P
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
IoWalker
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Telvani
We already have the pefect system, pseudo micro-transactions in the form of PLEX. No advantage over other players when spending RL cash ingame. lets people who trivialise ISK making for free, giving a huge boost to subscription numbers.
Why would you want any other system? If it takes you too long to earn 300m a month, pay with cash ú15 a month shouldn't be much trouble for anyone, im a poor student and I'm sure it wouldnt really hurt if I had to pay with RL cash, if you can't be bothered to make money ingame, buy some ISK.
I honestly cannot fathom why you would want any other type of transaction, you can buy anything ingame with RL cash and play for free and the economy is intact. win-win-win, no?
-that pretty much sums up the PLEX/$ issue for me.
And if the day ever came that EVE were free to play, they'd just have to change the PLEX item (due to a PLEX item not making sense anymore) into something like direct ISK for $$. Either way, this part of the system right now is perfect.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:47:00 -
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We can't even buy lifetime subs so the likelyhood is zero for EVE going F2P.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Irrelevant. You can already buy PLEX with real life cash and lose the in-game item hauling it to another station(or lose it in a scam for that matter). And anything you buy in-game is still the legal property of CCP, they just let you borrow it.
No you buy a GTC, you then CONVERT the code to a plex. Little different than directly buying an item. Plex's also can not be made by a player and don't make nor destory isk.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hari Markkus
Can we be sure that a judge would not side with the victim of a hisec suicide gank?
Oh dear. Nothing more I can say at this point, really.
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ChrisIsherwood
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:07:00 -
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I think it will be a while do to the EVE base resisting most change. But some other factors are
1) EVE is far closer than almost any non-F2P to being F2P: you can buy equipment and ships, you can buy characters with two years of training on them. http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2009/02/nobody-minds-eves-legal-rmt.html Certainly EVE allows you to buy ingame advantages that more hardcore games like WoW do not allow, which I like. EVE already has most of the advantage of F2P already, so why have to deal with all the QQ in order to go all the way.
2) $15/month has the casual players (2hr/week) subsidizing the hardcore (60hr/week) players. EVE does a much better job than most $15/month MMOs in getting more than $15/month through so many alt accounts
With CCP manipulating the mineral price by changing spawns and insurance, the price zone at least is determined by CCP not players. I personally do not see much distinction with spending $35 for a plex to buy ISK to buy a nightmare and spending $35 to buy a nightmare. But as long as others do see the distinction, CCP might as well keep the current system.
However, CCP made the logical decision to make DUST F2P
F2P is certainly the trend
A reasonable guess is in 2012 CCP will have four games - EVE, DUST, another console game, and TwilightVampireWhatever MMO. My guess is, mostly for historical reasons, EVE will be the only one not F2P.
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Mar Lee
An Army of None
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:24:00 -
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I haven't paid to play EVE for years :)
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Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:42:00 -
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Hopefully never. F2p means the game suck.
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Ghaylenty
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Posted - 2010.07.31 20:28:00 -
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imagine a single wow server and all its shards, and how much money just one of those servers makes, with about 2000 people..
multiply that by, 10, 20, sometimes almost THIRTY TIMES and you can imagine how profitable eve is for p2p. the eve servers are probably at least ten times more expensive than your traditional wow server, but nonetheless, the conversion remains positive because of the massive number of concurrent users at one time.
eve won't go f2p. micro trans for eve doesn't make sense, unless offered in the form of SP, in which case, i'm pretty sure anyone who wanted to "fight the future" (aka 90% of eve) will be spending lots of RL cash to get skillpoints.
and i dont think i need to discuss why thats a bad thing for profit and balance. i actually fly amarr |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.31 21:18:00 -
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See, this is why I get called a troll. 38 replies so far. Now here comes me, "EvE already is F2P". Then I get called troll.
Guess what, EvE is already F2P.
FFS. This is clearly a signature. |
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.07.31 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones See, this is why I get called a troll. 38 replies so far. Now here comes me, "EvE already is F2P". Then I get called troll.
Guess what, EvE is already F2P.
FFS.
Guess what, Someone else paid for your gametime.
FFS.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.07.31 22:00:00 -
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Eve is f2p for me. Some suckers actually pay the subscription fee for both of my accounts for about 600M video game dollars a month. What tools. I greatly appreciate them however. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
Hound Halfhand
Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2010.07.31 22:03:00 -
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EVE is already a highly successful business model getting $10-$15/month from aprox. 300k people. Why would they give that up? I personally loved DDO and my friends from it led me indirectly to EVE however it was almost fail from launch and became fail a year or so after.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.31 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zeke Mobius
Originally by: Cipher Jones See, this is why I get called a troll. 38 replies so far. Now here comes me, "EvE already is F2P". Then I get called troll.
Guess what, EvE is already F2P.
FFS.
Guess what, Someone else paid for your gametime.
FFS.
Its called CHOICE when there is more than option. OMG ONE THING CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE ATTRIBUTE! This is clearly a signature. |
Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.31 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zeke Mobius It's obvious fact money>all.
More money to be made in the F2P market.
How long until CCP goes F2P with eve?
I have not personally paid for my account in about two years.
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Thrasymachus TheSophist on 01/08/2010 15:05:51 Nevermind, the link above to Tobold's blog explains it far better than I did.
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Matt Johonson
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:59:00 -
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Isn't Eve F2P in China?
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Mors Hades
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:06:00 -
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nunca va a pasar, jamas
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Melgrimos
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Zeke Mobius How long until CCP goes F2P with eve?
Will happen the same day WoW goes F2P
which will probably happen somewhere before the end of this year .....
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Heroldyn Yhamad
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:19:00 -
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I dont agree to that there is necessarily always more money to be made using a F2P model compared to using more tradional payment models.
Same as that its not always the best option to release a game as an MMO instead of a traditional game or how it is not always the best choice for a game company to target the new shiny casual player group rather than the tradional player groups or how it doesn`t always make sense to develope software under an incremental/agile development model rather than a more tradional waterfall design approach. |
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mors Hades Edited by: Mors Hades on 01/08/2010 16:10:11 never happen, never
Already is. This is clearly a signature. |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar Eve is f2p for me. Some suckers actually pay the subscription fee for both of my accounts for about 600M video game dollars a month. What tools. I greatly appreciate them however.
On the flip side, I hate grinding cash in EVE, and would much rather be out PvPing. I'd therefore consider it worth my hour or so of overtime, to get you 600mil isks to buy toys with.
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dischordia
Gallente wiggle Tech.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy
Originally by: Takseen
Irrelevant. You can already buy PLEX with real life cash and lose the in-game item hauling it to another station(or lose it in a scam for that matter). And anything you buy in-game is still the legal property of CCP, they just let you borrow it.
No you buy a GTC, you then CONVERT the code to a plex. Little different than directly buying an item. Plex's also can not be made by a player and don't make nor destory isk.
I think you will find you CAN by a PLEX with RL Cash, https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX.aspx
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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.08.01 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 01/08/2010 19:45:05 The market is too player-driven to ever allow cash shop type stuff we normally see in other games. What new ship type or item will be incorporated? And how will they NOT interfere with the items currently on the market? The in-game market thrives because hundreds and thousands of ships, modules, rigs, and implants are lost on a daily basis. If CCP decides to incorporate a cash shop which sells items that can be lootable, how many people do you think will buy something from it? The same goes if they can't be looted, it'll go against the very design philosophy this game was created to cater towards.
In other games, such as DDO or LOTRO, items are never completely taken out of the game. If I bought a new sword, mount or piece of armor in say LOTRO, there is simply no chance I'll ever be able to lose the item(s) I purchased. How will that work here? How many rage posts will we start seeing when some guy's ship he paid 20 bucks for gets blasted as he was leaving Jita 4-4?
While you might think CCP will make boatloads of money initially, they stand to lose even more in the long run. Nobody wants to pay real money for modules, ships, and other goods when it can all be lost in the blink of an eye. They'll simply leave and move on to a F2P game that's slightly more forgiving, and never purchase a thing from the cash shop again.
Just look at all the rage threads that materialized when CCP decided to make PLEXs lootable. Everyone was coming out of the woodwork to lambaste that idea, claiming CCP is getting free money because an item that had a real-world value attached to it could be destroyed.
Let's also mention that F2P games charge its players for new content as well as being able to take part in existing high-end content. How many people do you think will leave when the previous 13 expansions were completely free to the playerbase, and now magically the 14th and onward now cost money? What will CCP start to charge its players to use? Will I have to start dishing out money to plant a POS? Take part in Sovereignty mechanics while in a 0.0 Alliance? Will I be unable to enter WH space because I didn't send CCP the $5 fee?
Where does one draw the line? This won't happen. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here |
Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hari Markkus Can we be sure that a judge would not side with the victim of a hisec suicide gank?
Summary judgment for $15? Perhaps.
And while my amateur lawyering is weak when it comes to corporate law, I doubt, with the exception of Georgia, you'd find a court in the United States, that would accept jurisdiction since there would probably be no one to accept a summons on behalf of the defendant, and legally, if a corporation doesn't do 'enough' business in a state, it doesn't exist in a state (i.e. you can't sue In 'N' Out Burger in New York, because they don't exist there).
Real lawyers can feel free to correct me.
You could probably take them to small claims court in GA, since they have an office there, but I bet they'd fight it in order not to allow a precedent to be set - otherwise they'd have to stop high sec ganking (sad panda) - which would most likely require you to hire a lawyer and off you go.
Seems like a LOT of work for $15. [center]___
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zeke Mobius
Originally by: Cipher Jones See, this is why I get called a troll. 38 replies so far. Now here comes me, "EvE already is F2P". Then I get called troll.
Guess what, EvE is already F2P.
FFS.
Guess what, Someone else paid for your gametime.
FFS.
Yeah "someone else paid" is what free means.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Zeke Mobius
Originally by: Cipher Jones See, this is why I get called a troll. 38 replies so far. Now here comes me, "EvE already is F2P". Then I get called troll.
Guess what, EvE is already F2P.
FFS.
Guess what, Someone else paid for your gametime.
FFS.
Yeah "someone else paid" is what free means.
So when you play a f2p game and someone else pays for it, which is 100% the case, its free, but when someone else pays for EvE it is not f2p?
Lol. This is clearly a signature. |
Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Zeke Mobius
Originally by: Cipher Jones See, this is why I get called a troll. 38 replies so far. Now here comes me, "EvE already is F2P". Then I get called troll.
Guess what, EvE is already F2P.
FFS.
Guess what, Someone else paid for your gametime.
FFS.
Yeah "someone else paid" is what free means.
So when you play a f2p game and someone else pays for it, which is 100% the case, its free, but when someone else pays for EvE it is not f2p?
Lol.
It's free for you. But the game time you convert that PLEX too has been paid for. So it's free for you but CCP still gets money. It isn't like an MMO that is strictly F2P, as in no one transfers money to the company that makes the game.
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:35:00 -
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I don't know much about the economics of it, but a micro-transaction system would be kinda immersion breaking for me :/
As long as everything purchased with irl cash can be re-sold(and thus bought with isk) I'm fine with it though.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:36:00 -
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EVE wont go to f2p because there isn't enough game to it. What would they sell in the cash shop? Most F2P games sell things like:
-increased exp point gain items -bag space -mounts and pets -rare items like gear -cosmetic avatar clothes and skins -The ability to talk server wide. -content like quests, zones, and expansions.
EVE has nothing to monetize. Not without busting the game and PvP even more. And PvP is the most vulnerable thing to a cash shop change. No worries.
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