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Zane Nucleus
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Posted - 2010.08.01 13:42:00 -
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Are there any other crazies out there like me that can't stand non symmetrical ships? I really hope I am not the only crazy out there with this mental issue.
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.08.01 13:55:00 -
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Nope, I instead go crazy about that small line that go through all symmetrical things in the middle (I assume because the model is only made half and copied to the other half).
I wish that I would not have noticed it, now I cant stop looking at it
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Mr Nucleus
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Posted - 2010.08.01 13:59:00 -
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If I start paying attention to that when I get home from work, I am going to hurt you. =0)~
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:01:00 -
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Bwahaha, at least I wouldn't suffer alone
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Zane Nucleus
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:34:00 -
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Misery does indeed love company.
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DrvonNeuman
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:53:00 -
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Generally speaking the net (overall) thrust vector should run through the center of mass of the ship (assuming mass is ejected from the engines for thrust).
In other words, a line going through the engine's added up overall thrust should pass through the biggest, most massive part of the ship (where the center of mass is). This should be the case in both the vertical and horizontal planes.
Usually, radial symmetry (like Apollo rocket say) or vertical and horizontal symmetry is the easiest, most practical and economical way of doing this.
Don't know of any Eve ships off hand that have radial symmetry (may have missed some).
Many Eve ship designs should only travel in circles. Some vertical circles, some without bilateral symmetry in horizontal circles.
In effect, somewhat like a boat with an engine on only one side, or a tank with only one working track, etc.
Could be that half of some ships are just holograms though (but I doubt it).
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silly person
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: DrvonNeuman Many Eve ship designs should only travel in circles. Some vertical circles, some without bilateral symmetry in horizontal circles.
In effect, somewhat like a boat with an engine on only one side, or a tank with only one working track, etc.
Only if you assume a uniform distribution of mass throughout the volume of the ship.
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: DrvonNeuman Generally speaking the net (overall) thrust vector should run through the center of mass of the ship (assuming mass is ejected from the engines for thrust).
In other words, a line going through the engine's added up overall thrust should pass through the biggest, most massive part of the ship (where the center of mass is). This should be the case in both the vertical and horizontal planes.
Usually, radial symmetry (like Apollo rocket say) or vertical and horizontal symmetry is the easiest, most practical and economical way of doing this.
Don't know of any Eve ships off hand that have radial symmetry (may have missed some).
Avatar, concord Battleship.. are pretty much rockets with engines
Many Eve ship designs should only travel in circles. Some vertical circles, some without bilateral symmetry in horizontal circles.
In effect, somewhat like a boat with an engine on only one side, or a tank with only one working track, etc.
Could be that half of some ships are just holograms though (but I doubt it).
You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here. |
Kidain
Gallente Rule of Five
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Posted - 2010.08.01 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zane Nucleus Are there any other crazies out there like me that can't stand non symmetrical ships? I really hope I am not the only crazy out there with this mental issue.
Nope your the sane one :) Its been proven that humans are more attracted to symmetrical faces and the less symmetrical you are the "uglier" you are seen.
Nothing we can do about that, so those that claim they prefer none symetrical deep down inside know they love the new Scorpion :P --------------------------------------
In an infinite universe, the one thing sentient life cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion. - Douglas Adams |
Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.01 19:43:00 -
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hi cat here
i think this is a problem because as we know if you build an aeroplane with wingtips diametrically opposed on the y axis it will result in a lot of spinning lol
so i think it is good for instance that they made the scorpion symetrical because this means it wont be constantly trying to veer left, resulting in more lag because the server doesnt have to deal with that
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Catherine Griffin
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Catherine Griffin on 01/08/2010 20:41:35 -- I also dislike the assymmetical stuff.
It's also very illogical, story-wise. If one corporation (say Lai Dai) would experiment with assymmetrical ships that would make sense but that all civilizations all do it collectively - it's absurd.
Next to that it's just plain ugly. I'm happy all the new ships don't look like they assembled two wrong halves.
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okst666
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: okst666 on 01/08/2010 20:49:02 but you forget that this is a so called space-simulation. The ship moves in the opposite direction of the impulse of it's engines.
damn, my english ist too bad..I cant quite explain what I want to say, but from my opinion it does not matter if the ship is symmetrical or not. The spaceshuttle (that nasa thing that explodes once in a while) for example is symmetrical and more airplane styled, because it has to fly through atmosphere. Since we cannot do that in eve-online, it does not matter.
hey...we are flying though planets...non-symmetrical ships are not the problem of my imagination.
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Catherine Griffin
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: okst666 but you forget that this is a so called space-simulation. The ship moves in the opposite direction of the impulse of it's engines.
hey...we are flying though planets...non-symmetrical ships are not the problem of my imagination.
Well since the EVE universe is full of clouds and nebulae the no resistance theory doesn't work. Next to that we also visit moons, planets and such I believe? Also: why not incalculate the option that a ship may have to make planetary visits every once in a while?
But even if it didn't matter why would every spaceship constructor make their ships assymmetrical?
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Wraith Soulsark
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:09:00 -
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NO I hate it as well
the omen drives me nuts
stupid artistes they ruins it
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:11:00 -
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I like asymmetric designs a lot. Especially the subtle ones with just a minor asymmetric aspect like the phobos or the omen. Also the Caldari ones like the Rook are awesome ship designs in my book.
They keep things interesting for variety's sake. I have no doubt that multiple engines and outlets would be able to compensate for any deviation to the vectors of those ships. Pretty much far fetched to complain about a lack of realism there.
We are just far too much conditioned to flying and living things being symmetrical. I love the exceptions o/
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Kashre
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kashre on 01/08/2010 21:18:50
Originally by: Ran Khanon I like asymmetric designs a lot. Especially the subtle ones with just a minor asymmetric aspect like the phobos or the omen. Also the Caldari ones like the Rook are awesome ship designs in my book.
They keep things interesting for variety's sake. I have no doubt that multiple engines and outlets would be able to compensate for any deviation to the vectors of those ships. Pretty much far fetched to complain about a lack of realism there.
We are just far too much conditioned to flying and living things being symmetrical. I love the exceptions o/
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Omg! Did you just say the rook was an awesome design? Good god man... next to the moa that's the ugliest ship in the game! :P +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa |
Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:19:00 -
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No you are no the only one. I recently made a post on this very topic that many of the ships in EVE are ugly. Few actually look good. In my opinion one of the ships that has the most beautiful lines is the Orca. Yeah I know it is a freighter...but at last it looks awesome as it hauls stuff around. Some of the ships in EVE just look so fugly. I do hope they one day go in and revamp some of them or at least give us some more symmetrically-looking designed ships.
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Dr Therikal
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Griffin
Well since the EVE universe is full of clouds and nebulae the no resistance theory doesn't work. Next to that we also visit moons, planets and such I believe? Also: why not incalculate the option that a ship may have to make planetary visits every once in a while?
But even if it didn't matter why would every spaceship constructor make their ships assymmetrical?
Yes, because hydrogen clouds generate immense drag. Protip: I'd wiki the pertinent articles on friction and aerodynamics. --------------------------------- But courage which goes against military expediency is stupidity, or, if it is insisted upon by a commander, irresponsibility. -Erwin Rommel |
MadMuppet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.01 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: MadMuppet on 01/08/2010 22:20:08 Edited by: MadMuppet on 01/08/2010 22:18:55fixed image size, sorry
Posts like this make me wish aircraft like the Bv-141 had been more widely accepted.
-Mad
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.08.01 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ran Khanon on 01/08/2010 22:46:52
Originally by: Kashre Omg! Did you just say the rook was an awesome design? Good god man... next to the moa that's the ugliest ship in the game! :P
Omg! Did you just try to tell us which opinion we all should have? Speak for yerself mate ;-) I love the rook's military looks. It resembles an armoured personnel carrier.
Originally by: MadMuppet
Posts like this make me wish aircraft like the Bv-141 had been more widely accepted.
-Mad
Wow, awesome :) Twisting my head a little while looking at that made me realize that the Nightmare needs a propeller (not that that would help in a vacuum, derp) ^_^
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Sergei Le'Poof
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Posted - 2010.08.02 01:13:00 -
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My favorite ship is the Kestrel hull which is the definition of assymetry. I did not like it at first but I gradually admired the ingeniuty if the design, to eventually come to love it (WTB Guristas skin, 2B - Ishukone skin, 3B).
Having said that, I found out that eventually the same holds true from most ships in the game. I have even heard stories of people loving the the Domi (). Which is btw symetrical but to me the ugliest of all.
They only ships I do not really like are the Gallente designs bar the myrmidon and the Mega somewhat. Oh and the catalyst.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.08.02 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Skellington on 02/08/2010 01:23:37
Originally by: Sergei Le'Poof My favorite ship is the Kestrel hull which is the definition of assymetry. I did not like it at first but I gradually admired the ingeniuty if the design, to eventually come to love it (WTB Guristas skin, 2B - Ishukone skin, 3B).
Having said that, I found out that eventually the same holds true from most ships in the game. I have even heard stories of people loving the the Domi (). Which is btw symetrical but to me the ugliest of all.
They only ships I do not really like are the Gallente designs bar the myrmidon and the Mega somewhat. Oh and the catalyst.
The Catalyst with its wing exploded all over the screen is pretty bad.
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