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AzureStorms
Two Brothers Mining Corp. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.02 10:37:00 -
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Anyone else see the irony in the "OMG HE MINERS 23/7 HE MUST BE A MACRO USER" arguement? I mean in order to actually know yourself they are on 23/7 you would have to play 23/7 yourself thus voiding the arguement.
Also, can't you use keep at distance on a rock you are not mining to keep yourself in range? Someone bumps you and you just travel right back to your original spot or close to it. ------------------------
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2010.08.02 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Griffin I guess CCP has no way to prove someone is a macro miner and they lack the manpower to really go after it (like many other things). So sure, "officially" it's not allowed but in the meantime ...
It baffles me that there are no log (yeah, we know, they show nothing) tools that show a character's assets increasing consistently for 23 hours a day, 7 days a week. At this stage it's comical at best, downright disturbing at worst.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.08.02 11:13:00 -
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If CCP doesn't care, why should you?
Just suicide gank them and get it over with.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.08.02 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Sorry let me be clear,
When bumped out of range of the rocks, they fly back to the rocks.
I can't accept that a player would sit there and not respond in some way. At LEAST they would reject the chat request, or block me as a player.
I do not think Macro mining is legal in EvE, I just think that they do not fully investigate anything but the most egregious macro miners.
I've done some (lots) of afk mining and I sure wouldn't answer you. What would be the point exactly?
I think pre-emptively (or whatever, damage control) so I don't accept chat invites, I don't talk in local, I don't INTERACT. Because I like my mining ship. And would like to keep it.
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Leral
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.02 12:10:00 -
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Can people use macros for other things than mining?
I usually hang around, mining my own business, in the Gamis system. Every now and then this guy warp in with a Rokh and starts salvaging. He (or she) does it very thoroughly, doesn't respond to chats and seems to waste a lot of time doing things that hardly can pay of (ISK-wise).
I get the feeling that this guy warps in cycles through all the asteroidbelts searching for things to salvage. If you can afford a Rokh, why waste time salvaging crap "23/7"?
Could he be a macro?
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente THE DISC
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:06:00 -
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Not much will be done against most any type of macro unless it's a PR stunt. There is a small hive of macro's in nearby null sec where I reside that do belt ratting 23/7. Looked up the dotlan data on the systems to confirm that roughly the same large number of rats were being killed 23/7 across all the systems. Petitions were filed and nothing was done par usual.
However it has become a source of entertainment as the bots warp to pos as soon as someone enters local. Just logged off a few times in a belt with a dramiel and as the bots warp to a random belt every time was able to catch one. Have also set an alt cloaked in some of their systems for days on end eventually provoking the ire of one of the bot handlers .
TLDR : Bots and macros are here to stay, at least kill them for fun.
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Syn Callibri
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.
...but naturally "The logs show nothing...", is it bad when you've seen a canned answer so many times that you memorize it?
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Tribe
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Kangtar
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Leral Can people use macros for other things than mining?
Pretty much anything can be, some easier than others. Mining, ratting, missioning and market trading seem to be the main four.
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DigiFusion
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:30:00 -
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We pay the same subscription price the macroers do, why ban someone straight away when you can milk a bit more cash off them while you 'gather evidence' which a simple log check would reveal.
You still remove the isk from the game after a few subscription cycles but you're a few k richer for it and can catch a hell of alot more buyers as you get months to watch the wallet log and nuke their wallets into the minus.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
So given that I afk mine as well, I don't fly back to my rocks if I am not watching my screen.
Step 1: Get a friend to make a bookmark, and approach it. Step 2: Try to bump your friend away. Step 3: Watch their ship automatically turn around and go back to the bookmark. Step 4: Feel stupid.
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:39:00 -
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Unless the macroers get caught on RMT it'll take looooooooooooong time to ban them |
Xenuria
Gallente Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:45:00 -
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Try to understand that from a game admin standpoint you are going to get thousands even millions of petitions on this one subject. Less then half of those petitions will be citing a player who is actually macro minning. Alot of players mine while watching tv or reading the news. I am one of them.
Also macro minning dose not have as much to do with the market as you think it dose. A bunch of bots in retrievers and ospreys are not going to devalue ore. The main contributes to the devaluation of ore are people that aren't bots who purposely undercut other people instead of staying within a general price bracket.
Even though macro minners account for a sizable portion of the minner population they do not actually produce near 20% of the ore that legit minners do. I am not defending the macro minners but I am saying that they are not the problem your looking for to blame on the cheap ore prices. You need to look inward for that. "My name is legion, for we are many" |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.02 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Sorry let me be clear,
When bumped out of range of the rocks, they fly back to the rocks.
I can't accept that a player would sit there and not respond in some way. At LEAST they would reject the chat request, or block me as a player.
I do not think Macro mining is legal in EvE, I just think that they do not fully investigate anything but the most egregious macro miners.
I see no reason to speak to a idiot bumping you. You will only make him happy to have annoyed you.
Similarly, how you will know if you have been blocked? ESP?
Chat invite, fleet invite, great way to annoy someone and get blocked, bad way to test for macro.
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grrfsweld
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Posted - 2010.08.02 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.
reported as troll, please refrain from trolling nice guys like OP. After all he is doing your job. Terrible alt poster. EVE Forum Police - keeping mods at bay |
Apollo Gabriel
Domini Lex Talionis Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.02 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Sorry let me be clear, I can't accept that a player would sit there and not respond in some way. At LEAST they would reject the chat request, or block me as a player.
I see no reason to speak to a idiot bumping you. You will only make him happy to have annoyed you.
Similarly, how you will know if you have been blocked? ESP?
Chat invite, fleet invite, great way to annoy someone and get blocked, bad way to test for macro.
I have in the past been informed that I was being blocked, that was my ESP.
I accept that there are miners who simply choose to completely ignore people. I got into quite a long and somewhat heated conversation with the bloke above in my alliance about macro miners and just ignoring all requests until they time out. Perhaps that is what is really happening here. As to the AFK miners, you have a distinct difference when it comes to play, you are inefficient. You occasionally come back to the machine and say oops there wasn't enough and my lasers turned off. That is a measurable metric of macro miners, the minimum dead time.
Again, I am NOT saying all people who ignore you are macro miners. I do believe as I mentioned above that CCP takes the issue seriously.
Apollo TO CCP: The implicit promise of polished quality keeps me playing through the rough times. Don't let the Trolls keep you from your goals. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.08.02 22:42:00 -
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Clicking the button to make the chat request go away seems to me too much like acknowledging the wannabe pirate's existence. Drag the window off the edge of the screen, get back to moving cargo.
I have a timer which tells me to get back inside from hanging out washing or whatever and move cargo across. I've not missed a cycle while mining or harvesting ice for quite some time. At the same time, I have housework I want to get done, and I've promised the other half that this housework will be done before we have to go out to the movies/dinner/whatever.
Now about the claim that many reported macrominers who had "left the game" are now back to their old tricks... you know they've left the game? how?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.02 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn Clicking the button to make the chat request go away seems to me too much like acknowledging the wannabe pirate's existence. Drag the window off the edge of the screen, get back to moving cargo.
I have a timer which tells me to get back inside from hanging out washing or whatever and move cargo across. I've not missed a cycle while mining or harvesting ice for quite some time. At the same time, I have housework I want to get done, and I've promised the other half that this housework will be done before we have to go out to the movies/dinner/whatever.
Now about the claim that many reported macrominers who had "left the game" are now back to their old tricks... you know they've left the game? how?
You dont think anybody actually believes any of that do you?
Your a macro miner, and your making up a really terrible story to cover it up
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.08.02 23:23:00 -
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Get rid of the fixed belts and make them all grav sites that have to be sacnned down. Make them so small they can be mined out in an hour or less with a perfect fit hulk.
I'd like to see a macro written that can work the scanner interface, moving probes around, zooming in and out of the map, nailing the site to 100%....
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.08.02 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.
Originally by: oil mr adida whats your stance on the 90 % botpopulation in the drone lands? no i have no proof thats the real percentage but next to everybobdy knows whats going on.
Plausible denial
It's a legitimate revenue source.
If a botter is so blatent and obvious 5 other paying customers are petitioning him... it behooves CCP to ban that particular character.
However if people aren't petitioning all the other accounts, even if they know they are there cheating and ruining the economy.... why actively pursue and throw away a paying account?
You seem to think CCP is out to do the right thing.
I used to be naive and think that is where their interests lay too.
The truth is, they give the illusion they want whats right (it's a rule! no cheating) and then just go about business directing no resources or effort to actually catching the people doing it.
Now RMT is a bit different, they are losing out on being the middle man there so they do go after those guys. Everything else is fair game.
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Ivas Tiffy
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.02 23:49:00 -
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a HUGE sign of a macroer is... they warp to a belt at 200km then to the nearest roid and start mining then dock up and unload to repeat. soem warp to different belts etc.
if a macro miner or a mission runner is one around 23 hours a day they are cheating. either account sharing or using a macro.
and thanks to ccp's insta corp hop its nearly impossible to war dec such idiots. Go ahead and clap. Mediocrity deserves applause. Why don't we go find Pandemic Legion and clap around them! |
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Yodabunny
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.03 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Griffin Yes well I've seen too many 23/7 miners that are ALWAYS in the same system, never use drones, always target the closest ores, just take on the ore you're mining whan it happens to be the closest, never ever react to convos ..
I guess CCP has no way to prove someone is a macro miner and they lack the manpower to really go after it (like many other things). So sure, "officially" it's not allowed but in the meantime ...
Couple of problems here. You're not on 23/7 so you don't know.
I personally only launch drones if I'm attacked, heck if the rats aren't hurting me I don't even bother. I always target the closest ores, because mining ships are SLOW. I probably take other people's rocks on occasion too, because I can't see the rocks when I mine. My screen generally has other crap on it and all of my mining is done via the overview. Oh, and another little trick, I warp directly to the rocks I'm going to mine. *GASP*. Oh and I ignore chat requests, don't have local up, and ignore fleet requests from anyone I don't know, because I don't care if you think I'm a macro and I'd rather not put my book down to talk to you. I must be a macro.
I'm not saying the miners you are seeing aren't macros. I'm saying you don't know, and can't know.
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Sisohiv
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Posted - 2010.08.03 00:30:00 -
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Most macro miners mine Ice. Being a capsuleer with Ice mining skills I can say I dont blame them a bit.
300 seconds to mine 4 Ice in a mackinaw. Thats 48 an hr. They sell for 100K outright. 4.8 mill an hr to sit there like a lump of **** waiting for someone to get bored and suicide me.
I buy the Ice. Most likely from a macro miner because it's more efficient than doing it myself when I can make twice as much mining Veldspar. Thank you Macro ice miner. You save me the misery of doing it myself. |
Yodabunny
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.03 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sisohiv 300 seconds to mine 4 Ice in a mackinaw. Thats 48 an hr. They sell for 100K outright. 4.8 mill an hr to sit there like a lump of **** waiting for someone to get bored and suicide me.
HAHA Sometimes I ice mine while I watch a movie, just have to get up every once in a while and unload at a station. It's like free isk for clicking 6 buttons every 20 minutes.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.08.03 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: BrundleMeth on 03/08/2010 01:41:01
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt topics like this always remind me of when i was playing unreal tournament and every second match i would be yelled at for being a cheater and aimbotter and what not. people tend to very quickly accuse people of stuff and make up artifical "100% accurate" rules of what behaviour constitutes towards cheating/macroing.
the thing is when u reported someone and he still in the game a few weeks later, most propably the GM came to the conclusion that it was a false accusation.
Ah, Unreal Tournament *sniff* I miss it so much, them was the days. Did you ever shoot me with yer aimbot? I was [TT]BrundleFly for many years. (I couldn't use the name here, wouldn't let me use []...)
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Kewso
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Posted - 2010.08.03 06:47:00 -
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I macro mine a lot! I use a Nostromo N52 and a Logitech G15 together. Course I'm sitting at pc, watching movie or listening to New Eden Radio. Which makes my macromining legal :)
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.03 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn Clicking the button to make the chat request go away seems to me too much like acknowledging the wannabe pirate's existence. Drag the window off the edge of the screen, get back to moving cargo.
I have a timer which tells me to get back inside from hanging out washing or whatever and move cargo across. I've not missed a cycle while mining or harvesting ice for quite some time. At the same time, I have housework I want to get done, and I've promised the other half that this housework will be done before we have to go out to the movies/dinner/whatever.
Now about the claim that many reported macrominers who had "left the game" are now back to their old tricks... you know they've left the game? how?
And when you get suicide ganked, warping your pod from belt to station for the next 8 hours is just your way of showing that you dont care, right?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Shocker Steg
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.03 09:01:00 -
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If the mining community would agree to do the following:
Every hour do 3 clicks (2 if you have checked the box for not asking again) Rightclick on wrecks Click on Abandon all wrecks Click Yes on the "are you sure" popup
*this will require ppl to actually shoot some rats though...
I can't see macro's putting this in at all.. this way a lot of the petions made against afk miners will be avoided as other players will have some kind of proof that there is actually someone there. ------- Always a deeply religious people, religion remains of great importance to every Amarrian, a fervour which at various times has been responsible both for great good and great evil. |
IDieAlotInGateCamps
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Posted - 2010.08.03 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ivas Tiffy a HUGE sign of a macroer is... they warp to a belt at 200km then to the nearest roid and start mining then dock up and unload to repeat. soem warp to different belts etc.
Have you EVER flown a hulk? Ever WTZ to a belt and find out the nearest rock is +40km away? How in the hell does a 200km bookmark, that allows me to WTZ directly to the rocks I want to mine, make a miner a macro?
A 200km bookmark is just regular game-play from a dedicated miner that won't waste time approaching a rock.
Having a hard time figuring out how did this community go from innocent until proven guilty to assuming guilt.
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Gajoleus
Gallente Solar Imperium
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Posted - 2010.08.03 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida Macromining is NOT legal. If you see anyone doing it please submit a petition.
Lol stupidity is strong in this one. This post pretty much sums why is Eve dieing.
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2010.08.03 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: DigiFusion We pay the same subscription price the macroers do, why ban someone straight away when you can milk a bit more cash off them while you 'gather evidence' which a simple log check would reveal.
Please keep your logic out of the thread. We know this is their stance, they just don't want to say it.
Now would everyone go about your business, and ignore the macroers, too? Thanks.
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