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Riaqu
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:45:00 -
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Hi everyone,
1) If I "escape" to a safespot, how easily/quickly can people scan/find me?
2) Is it better to continuously move between safespots if you're afraid they are after you?
3) If nothing shows on the system scanner (i.e. no combat probes), does that mean they are not looking and will never find you?
Thanks for any answers/help!
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.08.06 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Riaqu
1) If I "escape" to a safespot, how easily/quickly can people scan/find me?
If they are a "pro" at scanning... 1 or 2 minutes. Maybe less.
Originally by: Riaqu
2) Is it better to continuously move between safespots if you're afraid they are after you?
Yes. Alternatively, if you have a perma-running MWD, you can just speed forward while aligned to a celestial (or another bookmark). It makes the life of people scanning you very difficult.
Originally by: Riaqu
3) If nothing shows on the system scanner (i.e. no combat probes), does that mean they are not looking and will never find you?
Repeat after me, "Never assume or think that you are safe. Anywhere. Ever." _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Riaqu
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Posted - 2010.08.06 01:08:00 -
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Thank you so much for your answers!
About the third one, I won't (ever feel safe), promised! However, isn't it true that the only way to get to me is to scan me with probes, and that those probes would appear on my system scanner? Ergo, no probes on system scanner means there is no danger they'll find me?
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.08.06 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Riaqu isn't it true that the only way to get to me is to scan me with probes, and that those probes would appear on my system scanner? Ergo, no probes on system scanner means there is no danger they'll find me?
Not exactly. If your sig radius is high enough and the prober's character skills are high enough, they can sometimes pinpoint you 100% using only 2 (maybe 3) probes outside of your scanning range.
Plus bugs and glitches DO happen... so sometimes the probes will be there and your scanner just won't pick them up. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 06/08/2010 02:25:23 Probes are the quickest and easiest way to find someone, but they give you away. i.e. if your prey is doing it right, they will generally know you're probing them out. Highly skilled probers will be able to keep their probes out of your scan range though.
If you are in a proper, unaligned, out of the way safe spot, then it will be difficult for them to find you without probes.
I'd advise that you move regularly and never sit stationary at your safe. Even moving at top speed in a random direction offers some small amount of extra protection - if you move fast enough, you might be off-grid by the time they warp to their result.
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Riaqu
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:31:00 -
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ouch, I didn't think that would be possible (from such a distance). Thank you again, I guess I will have to be even more paranoid than before!
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.08.06 08:19:00 -
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If you're cloaked you cannot be scanned down. It's also possible to make your ship 'unprobable' using ECCM (not that your drones can still be scanned down).
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.08.06 09:07:00 -
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Speaking of cloaks... this is another issue you have to factor in (and another reason why it is best to keep warping around and/or keep aligned out at all time).
Covert-ops ships can warp to you cloaked after they have pinpointed you. So while you may have seen the probes on scan you won't see the incoming ship.
A common tactic is to have the Covert-ops ship get close enough to you (usually within 20km) and act as a warp in for a "fast tackler." When this happens your first hint that someone is wrong is when you see an interceptor or two on D-scan. However, the worst case scenario is when Arazus and Rapiers are used as they too can warp cloaked and have bonuses for locking down targets at long range. Your best tactic here is to simply be aligned out and GTFO as soon as something appears (targeting delay FTW).
A more unorthodox tactic you might encounter is when the Covert-ops ship itself points and holds you down until back-up arrives. In this scenario you NEED to kill the Cov-ops ship as quickly as possible (don't even think about outrunning it) and GTFO. Thankfully, such ships are paper thin (even when tanked) and a flight of Warrior IIs along with one of, or some combination of, a web, scram, and/or heavy neutralizer will take care of the problem (hopefully in time). _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Taedrin
Gallente White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.06 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers Speaking of cloaks... this is another issue you have to factor in (and another reason why it is best to keep warping around and/or keep aligned out at all time).
Covert-ops ships can warp to you cloaked after they have pinpointed you. So while you may have seen the probes on scan you won't see the incoming ship.
A common tactic is to have the Covert-ops ship get close enough to you (usually within 20km) and act as a warp in for a "fast tackler." When this happens your first hint that someone is wrong is when you see an interceptor or two on D-scan. However, the worst case scenario is when Arazus and Rapiers are used as they too can warp cloaked and have bonuses for locking down targets at long range. Your best tactic here is to simply be aligned out and GTFO as soon as something appears (targeting delay FTW).
A more unorthodox tactic you might encounter is when the Covert-ops ship itself points and holds you down until back-up arrives. In this scenario you NEED to kill the Cov-ops ship as quickly as possible (don't even think about outrunning it) and GTFO. Thankfully, such ships are paper thin (even when tanked) and a flight of Warrior IIs along with one of, or some combination of, a web, scram, and/or heavy neutralizer will take care of the problem (hopefully in time).
A smart cov ops pilot won't point you, or even decloak. They will get into position first and have their gang mates warp to him at a distance so that he never has to decloak. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.06 15:55:00 -
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Covert Ops, Recons, and Strategic Cruisers can also be fitted to be un-probeable (scanner strength > 1.08 * signature radius).
It is really annoying for someone scanning.
An un-probeable strategic cruiser is great for doing level 4 missions and exploration in hostile space.
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.08.06 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: Riaqu
1) If I "escape" to a safespot, how easily/quickly can people scan/find me?
If they are a "pro" at scanning... 1 or 2 minutes. Maybe less.
If they are "pro" consider 1 min to be the absolute max for sitting still, less would be good.
Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: Riaqu
2) Is it better to continuously move between safespots if you're afraid they are after you?
Yes. Alternatively, if you have a perma-running MWD, you can just speed forward while aligned to a celestial (or another bookmark). It makes the life of people scanning you very difficult.
Never do this aligned to a celestial, prober will get his friends to warp to him at range from said celestial and drop them on your head. Unless you are really fast of course. Another bookmark is safer, however you should bear in mind just how fast your MWD speed is.
Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: Riaqu
3) If nothing shows on the system scanner (i.e. no combat probes), does that mean they are not looking and will never find you?
Repeat after me, "Never assume or think that you are safe. Anywhere. Ever."
This tbh. Keep moving, keep safe.
Peace. ----
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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Riaqu
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Posted - 2010.08.06 20:56:00 -
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Thanks a lot for all your replies, it is very helpful!
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.08.07 07:31:00 -
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Your easiest defense against being probed down is to cloak.
If you think you might be subject to being scanned down - see if fitting a cloak is possible given your ship and what it is you're trying to accomplish.
Anything (pretty much) can fit the crappy cloak. You can't move with it on for squat - but they can't probe you so you don't have to move.
Warp somewhere and turn the cloak on before they can figure out where you went.
Just make sure you get yourself familiar with the timers as there is one for how often you can cloak. I.E. - mess around with it some in high sec to make sure you know how it works.
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Abbot Laarkin
Order Of Mystical Mountain Monks
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Posted - 2010.08.07 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Covert Ops, Recons, and Strategic Cruisers can also be fitted to be un-probeable (scanner strength > 1.08 * signature radius).
It is really annoying for someone scanning.
An un-probeable strategic cruiser is great for doing level 4 missions and exploration in hostile space.
mostly yes, however if doing exploration sites be aware that a hostile may have previously probed and bm'd those sites in order to get you. Particularly if you are known to operate in the same area repeatedly. I do this myself, especially to nail one of those pesky un-probeable Tengus
Peace. ----
Originally by: Sir Carnage
Originally by: Marko Riva Why does that read like they're all 12 and have an IQ of 37?
I was under the impression they were 37 and had an IQ of 12
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