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Matt Simon
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:32:00 -
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The guy who didnt exploit a while back. He used to kill 5 - 6 pimped out ravens and golems every day and he didnt use an exploit that stopped packets from the eve servers to reach him. He was visible in local all the time.
I just think its weird that he stopped getting epic kills.
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:36:00 -
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Hey look a monkeysphere alt!
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:38:00 -
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It pays off to have hackers and GM's as alliance mates.
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Moonlight Express It pays off to have hackers and GM's as alliance mates.
QFT proven again and again
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Matt Simon
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Mortice Hey look a monkeysphere alt!
****** :)
Im not his alt, I can use ":" hence I am not russian. But in all honsty i just think its kinda weird that he did all those "epic" kills, then stopped. And yet he is unbanned. The fact that the killing stopped proves he was exploiting.
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WormSwarm
Gallente Spiegots
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Posted - 2010.08.08 15:48:00 -
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Wasn't it rumored that he was hacking with a employee of this game. And they were both laughing it up about killing subscribers?
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.08.08 16:26:00 -
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Some people get banned for exploits... some don't. There was never any question if Monkeysphere was using an exploit and didn't report it. CCP had to patch the game because his exploit was exposed. Why he was not banned like the people who did the moon goo exploit?
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.08 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 16:44:03
Originally by: Sig Sour Some people get banned for exploits... some don't. There was never any question if Monkeysphere was using an exploit and didn't report it. CCP had to patch the game because his exploit was exposed. Why he was not banned like the people who did the moon goo exploit?
Probably because he told CCP how he was doing it and helped them patch it. Even people who hack government computers get breaks for saying how they did it.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.08.08 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Probably because he told CCP how he was doing it and helped them patch it. Even people who hack government computers get breaks for saying how they did it.
If he told them the exploit as soon as he found it, that would be ok. Killing macro ratters for over a year, some confident enough in their macros to run pretty sweet gear and Monkeysphere walked with that gear... I wouldn't get away with that, most people who play this game wouldn't. Most of us would be perma-banned. So really, why wasn't he perma-banned? Does it bother you that someone else can do something that you would be banned for doing?
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:03:53
Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Probably because he told CCP how he was doing it and helped them patch it. Even people who hack government computers get breaks for saying how they did it.
If he told them the exploit as soon as he found it, that would be ok. Killing macro ratters for over a year, some confident enough in their macros to run pretty sweet gear and Monkeysphere walked with that gear... I wouldn't get away with that, most people who play this game wouldn't. Most of us would be perma-banned. So really, why wasn't he perma-banned? Does it bother you that someone else can do something that you would be banned for doing?
Would it bother you if CCP wasn't able to fix it, and instead of just him, there was people doing it everywhere you looked for weeks?
In the interests of stopping a new exploit sometimes deals must be made.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:03:53
Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Probably because he told CCP how he was doing it and helped them patch it. Even people who hack government computers get breaks for saying how they did it.
If he told them the exploit as soon as he found it, that would be ok. Killing macro ratters for over a year, some confident enough in their macros to run pretty sweet gear and Monkeysphere walked with that gear... I wouldn't get away with that, most people who play this game wouldn't. Most of us would be perma-banned. So really, why wasn't he perma-banned? Does it bother you that someone else can do something that you would be banned for doing?
Would it bother you if CCP wasn't able to fix it, and instead of just him, there was people doing it everywhere you looked for weeks?
In the interests of stopping a new exploit sometimes deals must be made.
don't know what the deal was, but it certainly wasn't the monkeysphere who reverse-engineered the local exploit and bug-reported it to ccp
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan it certainly wasn't the monkeysphere who reverse-engineered the local exploit and bug-reported it to ccp
Not sure how you know that, but i'm just offering a real world explaination of why hackers sometimes get let off the hook after they get caught.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Higgs Foton
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
why wasn't he perma-banned?
I think you just answered that yourself:
Quote: Killing macro ratters for over a year, some confident enough in their macros to run pretty sweet gear and Monkeysphere walked with that gear...
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Matt Simon He was visible in local all the time.
Or was he?
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:22:00 -
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Since CCP actively encourage the playerbase to act like total scumbags, they can't really come down too hard on people that cross that nebulous line into what they have arbrarily said is bad play.
Mr Epeen
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Soma Khan it certainly wasn't the monkeysphere who reverse-engineered the local exploit and bug-reported it to ccp
Not sure how you know that,
it was laid out on these forums in pretty good detail; with links to all the evidence
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:26:00 -
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Hypocrisy at its finest. Hell, the t20 dev didnt even get fired for blatant disregard of the rules and regs of being a damn employee of CCP. HE DIDNT EVEN GET FIRED!!!! And people think its surprising to see all this hullabaloo about CCP, what it says and what it actually does... (usually isnt the same)
Left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. The QA team for Dominion let alone the CSM minutes speak for themselves. Its as if CCP thinks everyone on the forums complaining about their handling of pretty much everything is wrong.
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Higgs Foton
Originally by: Sig Sour
why wasn't he perma-banned?
I think you just answered that yourself:
Quote: Killing macro ratters for over a year, some confident enough in their macros to run pretty sweet gear and Monkeysphere walked with that gear...
'cept there wasn't any evidence that he was killing macro-ratters; and his local hack was perfectly usable against any player, macro or not
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
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Cassandra Trotter
Minmatar Trotters Independent Trading
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:32:00 -
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While what he did was completely wrong, one of the main reasons that he did not get banned was that all the people he used the hack to kill, were also cheating via using bots / macros.
Thus they could not report him without exposing themselves as cheaters.
Not condoning what he did, but the macro ratters all deserve to die so he was doing all of eve a favor IMO. |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45
Originally by: Cassandra Trotter While what he did was completely wrong, one of the main reasons that he did not get banned was that all the people he used the hack to kill, were also cheating via using bots / macros.
Thus they could not report him without exposing themselves as cheaters.
Not condoning what he did, but the macro ratters all deserve to die so he was doing all of eve a favor IMO.
Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through?
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cassandra Trotter While what he did was completely wrong, one of the main reasons that he did not get banned was that all the people he used the hack to kill, were also cheating via using bots / macros.
Thus they could not report him without exposing themselves as cheaters.
Not condoning what he did, but the macro ratters all deserve to die so he was doing all of eve a favor IMO.
excuse me, but how would these alleged macro-ratters expose themselves by reporting this exploiting scumbag?
Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features
CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
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Matt Simon
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45
Originally by: Cassandra Trotter While what he did was completely wrong, one of the main reasons that he did not get banned was that all the people he used the hack to kill, were also cheating via using bots / macros.
Thus they could not report him without exposing themselves as cheaters.
Not condoning what he did, but the macro ratters all deserve to die so he was doing all of eve a favor IMO.
Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through?
Not really sure, I have never tried a ratting macro. But then again alot of those cloaky ravens are indeed involved in rmt business. They dont need to be macros, they can be sweatshop workers.
Oh and to the MOD in OP dont you think that moderating out the deatils around the exploit is removing the vital info from this discussion? The hole has been patched, everyone knows about it and it was even reverse engineered.
Im just curius on how he managed to not get banned. I know that whenever I come across exploits in the future I fully intend to use it. CCP wont ban me for it, that is the impression I had from The Monkeysphere incident =)
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Raquel Trotter
Trotters Independent Trading
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45 Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through?
Take a roam through any major alliance held 0.0 space and you will see them everywhere.
I have seen them personally all over eve. Pretty frustrating to kill but its possible (without hacks i might add) if you put your mind to it, but very time consuming. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cassandra Trotter While what he did was completely wrong, one of the main reasons that he did not get banned was that all the people he used the hack to kill, were also cheating via using bots / macros.
Thus they could not report him without exposing themselves as cheaters.
Not condoning what he did, but the macro ratters all deserve to die so he was doing all of eve a favor IMO.
He used it on some non-macro players as well. It's what eventually got him exposed.
If this would have been something that could only have been used on cheaters then I wouldn't have cared as much. But a player going about cheating and deciding for himself who deserved to be exploited on is just wrong.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
TehFailGuy
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45
Originally by: Cassandra Trotter While what he did was completely wrong, one of the main reasons that he did not get banned was that all the people he used the hack to kill, were also cheating via using bots / macros.
Thus they could not report him without exposing themselves as cheaters.
Not condoning what he did, but the macro ratters all deserve to die so he was doing all of eve a favor IMO.
Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through?
It would be possible. The tool most macro users are likely using can look for pixel patterns.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Trotter
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45 Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through?
Take a roam through any major alliance held 0.0 space and you will see them everywhere.
I have seen them personally all over eve. Pretty frustrating to kill but its possible (without hacks i might add) if you put your mind to it, but very time consuming.
Oh, It would be very possible to kill them without needing a no local hack, if they are truly using macros. In fact using such a thing would even be pointless.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Raquel Trotter
Trotters Independent Trading
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Posted - 2010.08.08 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Raquel Trotter
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45 Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through?
Take a roam through any major alliance held 0.0 space and you will see them everywhere.
I have seen them personally all over eve. Pretty frustrating to kill but its possible (without hacks i might add) if you put your mind to it, but very time consuming.
Oh, It would be very possible to kill them without needing a no local hack, if they are truly using macros. In fact using such a thing would even be pointless.
Please Explain.. You have gone from not understanding that Ratting macros exist to stating how you know it is possible to kill them...
And why would it be pointless?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Trotter
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45 Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through?
Take a roam through any major alliance held 0.0 space and you will see them everywhere.
I have seen them personally all over eve. Pretty frustrating to kill but its possible (without hacks i might add) if you put your mind to it, but very time consuming.
It is still no excuse for killing non-cheating players with a cheat. The excuse that it is only being used on macros is just that, an excuse. Or at the very least if it's going to be ok to use exploits allow everyone else to use it "to kill macros" (). At least like that the field is fairer.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 18:08:29
Originally by: Raquel Trotter Please Explain.. You have gone from not understanding that Ratting macros exist to stating how you know it is possible to kill them...
And why would it be pointless?
Well you ignored my question about macros being able to watch local for anyone else entering the system, which was a good indication you don't really think about it much, and use the term 'macro user' freely for any quiet person that's around alot.
If that didn't clear up the second question for you too, a no local hack would be pointless if macros don't run and hide whenever someone else enters the system, like actual people do.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Firkragg
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:09:00 -
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Actually if you look carefully elitist ops just took over killing russian macros instead.
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