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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:42:00 -
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I was signing into EVE when I noticed that the news feed boards next to my characters selection had an article about a Subwarp Frigate Race out in Ikao. Evidently it is the 4th time this locally popular race has been held. Suddenly inspiration hit me.
What if... there were ships speciffically designed for racing.
These ships would be the same ships currently flying in the EVEverse but just newly redsigned models. This would encompass ALL ships. From the smallest frigates to the largest titans. Maybe even special RC drones for RC races. To make them more suitable for going fast the cargo hold would need to be removed from the design completely. It would be replaced by: for Gallente a larger Capacitor, Caldari would be multiple capacitors, Amarr would be a sheild/CAP power relay system that would use the shield as a secondary capacitor, and Minmitar would use a warpdrive/CAP relay concept to draw power from the warp bubble like it is a secondary capacitor. These ships would be built to go 100's of thousands of m/s instead of the pathetic low ball thousands we are currently stuck with. Also these ships would have their high slots reused for medium, low, and rig slots. The number of specific slots would differ by which style of racing the ship was to be used for. Small ships would get a minimum of 4 slots each power level , medium ships 6, and large 8. Extra large ships like titans would still get 8 but would then also get a 50% "blanket" attribute bonus. Meaning that a mod's negatives would be reduced by 50% and positives increased by 50%. Also each ship could have 1 to 2 high slots so the ships could also be used for PVP combat as say a sensor boat or a interdictor bubble launcher, or a super fast ship with an armor repper that has enough power to make the repper work super fast. The only downside (as well as the only way to keep people form turning a frigate into a Titan) would be to make it so that the high slots could not fit weapons of any kind, just cloaks and warp stoppers and such.
The WMD concept would need revamping too. Restricting a ship to only one WMD is ridiculous. I propose a WMD linker mod. It would basically be a mod that would link the internal wiring of multiple WMD's and cause them to act as one big one. A Harmonic Balancer if you will. This would allow for much greater speeds but would also slightly amplify the damage done to the ships internal structure due to overheating and extreme G forces if used for too long in one go. This would force pilots to become more skilled at manually setting the throttle in a race. Also the size of WMD would need to be more universal as well. If you have a frigate with a cruiser class CAP in it then it should be able to use a cruiser class sized WMD, right? There would be slightly higher penalties for attempting such a thing of course but with the right skill books and a skilled enough capsuleer they would eventually become negligible.
So if you are going to have ships built for racing then you need mods and POS built for racing too. For instance a racing WMD would have a Harmonic Balancer already designed into it. The only difference is you could stack a max of 8 of these instead of just 4, the heat and g force penalties would be way lower, and the price and speed would be WAY higher. The price and bonuses of all other "racing" mods would be considerably higher too.
There would need to be racing POS for those players who want to build their own racecourse and host a race too. This POS would need to be extremely cheap though. I want to be able to add two new careers to EVE; Racer and Race hoster. Both can be very lucrative.
I can see the ISK now. Floating by on the breeze like Japanese Cherry Flower petals in the Fall. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.09 18:01:00 -
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Don't just look at it... Reply to it. I know you have something smartaleick to say! So...
SAY IT!!!
The only way CCP will know about an issue or idea posted here is if people like you give that idea more ammo to work with. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. |
Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:06:00 -
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Seriously, what sort of crack are you smoking so I can keep as far away from it as physically possible? ---
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:35:00 -
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I smoke pure unaltered adrenaline. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. |
Otocinclus
Minmatar Project Nemesis The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.09 21:38:00 -
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Literally all of your posts are useless. Zymurg, can you please ban this guy from the forums?
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.09 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN on 09/08/2010 22:12:13 Well dude if you got a better idea then post away. Instead of whining, how about you come up with something constructive that will bring in more players from outside of EVE. Perhaps an idea that brings in people that have never played a game like this before. Instead of getting all butt hurt when someone makes a suggestion, how about you actually do something to make this better.
There is a Frigate Race in IKAO. It is going on right now. If it is popular with even one person in a small group, then it has to be popular with someone else in a much larger group. In case you did not notice folks from around the world play EVE. So if I like the idea then would it not be safe to say that out of 7 billion people around the world that at least one other person might like it too?
Lastly this is not just a single use idea. The ships and mods I suggested here could be used for combat too.
Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:00:00 -
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Don't just sit there... Reply!!! Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:09:00 -
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I've participated in quite a number of frigraces strictly t1 meta0. I would like you, Sgt Funyoun, to do the same and tell me where the fun lies within these races. It's certainly not the shiny ships.
Your proposal is superfluous, really.
Regards, Lax
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.10 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Laxyr I've participated in quite a number of frigraces strictly t1 meta0. I would like you, Sgt Funyoun, to do the same and tell me where the fun lies within these races. It's certainly not the shiny ships.
Your proposal is superfluous, really.
Regards, Lax
Yes the current "racing" system is quite flawed. This is where the Racer mods come into play. The current mods only allow for very slow races. Racing mods would increase these speeds to near Main Warp Drive levels. Instead of flying a race in a little tiny area the size of a roid field racing; specialized mods would allow speeds to be high enough to allow a race to be conducted between entire solar systems. You may have heard of the underground Cannon Ball race that stretches from New York to California right? Well apply the same idea here except instead of riding between cities you are flying between systems. I know this is gonna sound dorky but reference the anime show Outlaw Star and check out the episodes with the Heifong space race. I would be willing to bet that is where the guy running the races in Ikao got the concept. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Zanzbar
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Posted - 2010.08.10 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zanzbar on 10/08/2010 15:49:03 Beacuase there realy need to be a class of frigates with enough speed and momentum to bump a suppercarrier across the grid...
*facepalm*
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.10 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: SGT FUNYOUN
Originally by: Laxyr I've participated in quite a number of frigraces strictly t1 meta0. I would like you, Sgt Funyoun, to do the same and tell me where the fun lies within these races. It's certainly not the shiny ships.
Your proposal is superfluous, really.
Regards, Lax
Yes the current "racing" system is quite flawed. This is where the Racer mods come into play. The current mods only allow for very slow races. Racing mods would increase these speeds to near Main Warp Drive levels. Instead of flying a race in a little tiny area the size of a roid field racing; specialized mods would allow speeds to be high enough to allow a race to be conducted between entire solar systems. You may have heard of the underground Cannon Ball race that stretches from New York to California right? Well apply the same idea here except instead of riding between cities you are flying between systems. I know this is gonna sound dorky but reference the anime show Outlaw Star and check out the episodes with the Heifong space race. I would be willing to bet that is where the guy running the races in Ikao got the concept.
There seems to be a misunderstanding here. I like the current racing events. Racing between solarsystems without having to use gates... well I don'T see that happen in the near future. It's just not possible with the current gamedesign. You can move your ship far enough away from the celestials in a solarsystem that it APPEARS on the space map as if you were in the neighbouring system while you remain in your system of origin. There's currently no way of changing systems without a gate/JB/cyno/Wh. However, there have been many exciting events in the past like frigraces through lowsec with checkpoints etc. and I could imagine some type of rallye through WHs. You already have your racing mods for that, MWDs, polycarbs, overdrive injector systems. The races where you don't even leave the grid are quite interesting, too.
Have you ever participated in a frigrace sgt funyoun? If not, try it and you'll see that we don't need any specialized ships for it =)
Regards, Lax
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.22 09:34:00 -
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Well how about this then. Screw the Racing mods, heck with the special racing ships. Just have racing POS. These "POS" would be extremely cheap, that way Pirates would be less inclined to blow them up. They would be very small and light weight and would have their own cap battery so you would never have to refuel them. They would be anchorable to anything; gates, planets, moons, asteroids, NPC Stations, gate gun pods, even on the outside of a wormhole. This way you could place them ANYWHERE and set up a race that could GO ANYWHERE you wanted it to go with very little starter cost or effort.
They would also be automated. The automation would allow you to set up a race course that when you finished training the new skills could span the entire galaxy, including Wormhole space. To use these "POS" each ship in the race would have a "Racer Chip" in their cargo hold. This chip would be coded by the race official (you) so that the start gate, finish gate, and each check point would be able to log the ships as they pass through them. This info would be beamed to you in real time so you could clearly declare the winner without having to guess at all. Fairness acheived. The first "Race POS" would be a special starter gate that when deployed would have a bunch of tractor beams on it so each ship would be positioned on the line fairly and perfectly. No complaints to be heard from the "Its not fair" crowd. The Start Gate could also be used by Pirates and Miners to move Jet cans enmasse instead of one at a time.
Each of the "POS" would be about the size of a Jet Can and would be launched from your ship using the jet can launcher, no need for a special mod. They each have a little Micro Warp Drive on them like a Scan Probe so you could sit in one spot and deploy as many as you wanted with out having to move. New skill books would allow you to increase the size of your course with each level you got to. Level 1 inside the solar system you are in. Level 5 the entire galaxy. Second skill would allow you to send the "pos" through Jump gates so you would not have to jump there your self, keeping you out of Low and Null Sec. Level 1 one solar system over. Level 5 anywhere you wanted to send it in the galaxy. And another skill book would make sending these "POS" through multiple systems faster. Level 1 Hop Gate to Gate in a single second. Level 5 moving them the same speed as you in a jump clone; instantaneous and across the galaxy without touching a gate like a jump clone transfer.
Each POS could be set for the different types of racing too. So if you want a subwarp race it could cancel out the MAIN warp drives of the ships in your race so that they could not cheat. Also if you are doing a galaxy wide race with say; 300 check points across 600 systems, you could ramp up everybodys max warp speed by a certain number so that the race would take hours instead of days. No one dropping out because Mommy called them for supper or they had to go to work. Fairness acheived again. The "POS" being linked via internal radio would allow you to plot a course on your map as you locked them into position and activated them. Allowing you to give the course map to the racers so that they would know where to go; or not if it is a race where they have to find the course themselves just by checkpoint positions on the star map. Evilly tough race.
It would work on a similar Map style as Scan Probes in that you would launch one and go to your map and send it to the spot you wanted using the map (except it would be able to use both the star map and the solar system map) and then anchor it using an internal camera so that you would know for sure it was in the right spot. The cameras would also allow you to watch the racers pass through the gates and even stream it live on the net. ISK fueled Pay-Per-View any one? $$$ Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.22 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 22/08/2010 09:44:04
Originally by: SGT FUNYOUN Wall of Useless Text, TL:DR
You might be interested to know multible MWD's could be equiped, the fastest ship in the game was the scorpion clocked at about 1 AU/sec.
Also TL:DR even 10% of it, please respond to this post with a incomprehensible Wall of Text.
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.22 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN on 22/08/2010 09:49:02 I thought Multiple MWD fitting was impossible. Every ship I ever tried to do that on said it was impossible. Even in EFT. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.22 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 22/08/2010 10:17:26
Originally by: SGT FUNYOUN Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN on 22/08/2010 09:49:02 I thought Multiple MWD fitting was impossible. Every ship I ever tried to do that on said it was impossible. Even in EFT.
This was a while ago before stacking penalties. You could make the scorp have 99% resists, fit multible prop mods or a Geddon which did like five times the DMG it does now with Dmg mods. And people whine about balancing.
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Efraya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.22 10:44:00 -
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Game. Racing. Play Go.
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Commander Funyoun
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Posted - 2010.08.23 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 22/08/2010 10:17:26
Originally by: SGT FUNYOUN Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN on 22/08/2010 09:49:02 I thought Multiple MWD fitting was impossible. Every ship I ever tried to do that on said it was impossible. Even in EFT.
This was a while ago before stacking penalties. You could make the scorp have 99% resists, fit multible prop mods or a Geddon which did like five times the DMG it does now with Dmg mods. And people whine about balancing.
OK well I suppose that was a while back. I am still interested in opinions from other folks on my latest idea. Any takers? Please do not just read and go. Comment as you like.
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.28 07:42:00 -
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Ok so basically what I am proposing here is a new career path. Race Promoter. Through the use of cheap specially designed POS and some extra skills.
Any ideas or comments that could improve my idea are appreciated.
No idiot trolls are necessary though. Unless it is constructive bug off. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2010.08.28 08:00:00 -
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+1 for hitting Funyoun with the ban hammer on the forums.
I'd rather have pimpable ships. My Mael has been in need of an some dub spinners, and an extra intake manifold. not to mention a couple of custom decals. on second thought it REALLY needs player made decals.
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.28 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN on 28/08/2010 08:28:17 Like I said before TROLL. Constructive criticism here only. No lame whaa whaa please. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
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Thumper Tron
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Posted - 2010.08.28 11:17:00 -
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I didn't read all of your post but you should go to the channel 'Frigate Race' and talk to Julius Rigel the creator of SRV and that race in Ikao.
GL with your Idea
Thumper Tron
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: SGT FUNYOUN What if... there were ships specifically designed for racing.
Interceptors
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.12 17:21:00 -
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Thank you Thumper Tron. and dude after him... Yeah I was talking about going faster than that even but then I said nix the super racing ships. Now I just want super cheap super small POS and special skill books built around the concept of racing space ships of all kinds. And that some of these POS couls be used for more sinister purposes. Please read the post before commenting. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
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