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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.23 17:37:00 -
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In This Thread I poked the CSMGÇÖs.
[But damned if I can link it because of these forums **** coding--I will keep trying]
In it I wanted to see what would happen if they were forced to confront genuinely difficult questions. I was sorly disappointed with my so called GÇ£representativesGÇ¥ to CCP.
So in THIS thread I invite all of you to voice your concerns to our GÇ£EVE GodsGÇ¥ and GÇ£RepresentativesGÇ¥
Here Is Me Giving It A Go (Takes A Deep Breath)
BotsGǪ
Really freakin smart bots are at the forefront of the many issues plaguing this game. We are in an era where technology is advancing soooo quickly. CCP could not figure out how to get rid of the old ones, and now new ones are popping up that are smarter and more interactive.
I believe that eventually ALL MMOGÇÖs will have to openly address this issue and 1.) Find a way to deal with it in a realistic way (not this half assGÇÖd GÇ£you donGÇÖt know how many we banned crap") or 2.) make it a legal element in the game play.
For ever bot you ban another pops up.
They run plexes, mine ore for supers and rat.
They even GÇ£hit primariesGÇ¥ in large nullsec engagements.
What I Want To See:
Is a public recognition on how prolific bots are atm and that CCPGÇÖs attempts to stem the tides have barely made a dent. If you live in nullsec odds are your supercarrier has some GÇ£dirty oreGÇ¥ in it, and the battles that you have fought have had bots hitting the primary right beside you (or at you)
Low Sec
Years and years have passed with the community asking for more. Just a little bit evenGǪ would be VERY nice. Even if its an upgrade to the faction warfare system planned 2 or 3 expansions from now It would still do WONDERS for restoring the dwindling faith of a jaded community.
Null Sec
More botsGǪ More BlobsGǪ More AFK EmpiresGǪ Dominion didnGÇÖt do jack. It is the same old story now as it was before, the only thing that has changed is that it is arguably HARDER for the little guy to get his foot in the door.
Players are met with absurd rental agreements on top of their sovereignty fees, that ultimately encourages the proliferation of illegal botting. Once CCP said that they intended there to be GǣFew TitansGǥ ErrrGǪ Say WHA! Now there are so many of them that you can just drop 30 Titans and decimate the enemy along side supercarriers and very LIMITED support. Blobs without support should not be a viable method of Sov warfare, and yet it is the preferred method to anyone who has the funds and the supers to do it.
Ok I will stop here so others can have a goGǪ
Quote:
To the CSMGÇÖs, no more talk, no more GÇ£Nerfing WH MineralsGÇ¥ and no more bull****. This is what the community wants and has wanted for years. It should be at the forefront of everything that you do, and your top priority when talking to CCP. If your not willing to listen, move over for someone that willGǪ
Ok people, lets here itGǪ
Post your thoughts here (the more the better)
Maybe someone will actually listenGǪ |
Hroya
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:27:00 -
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Just cut off null sec from empire, only accesable through wormholes.
I could post a lenghty proposal but what are the odds the above would even happen in the first place.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:40:00 -
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Hroya wrote:Just cut off null sec from empire, only accesable through wormholes.
I could post a lenghty proposal but what are the odds the above would even happen in the first place.
hmmm, interesting... sort of like Wurm where if you wanted to go from the pve area to the pvp area you had to swim across an ocean full of sharks for 30-40 minutes.
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Cypermethren
Celtic Cartage And Hauling
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:46:00 -
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Blunt reality check for you regarding bots right now.
They've lost a hell of alot of players due to their.... decisions with incarna...
Right now the bots are providing them with a much needed income.
Taking a guess with the numbers of at LEAST 5000 bots...
14.95x5000= $74,750 per month.
Had they have not made poor decisions and bluntly ignored the community's wishes when they released incarna... There would still be two problems.
CCP would still be ignoring our plea's for them to do stuff about bots. Their whole activeness on the forums, and promices to turn things aronnd for the better... So the chances this thread would dissapear (and probably will anyway for the $$ reasons ive said above) to the back pages very quickly.
Secondly, why are bots used? Let's take mining bots for example. Legit players, majority of which are nestled deep within 0.0, use them. why? Mining is boring as ****. It needs redesigning. If CCP is true to their EULA like they "should" be - There would be alot of big names and alliances that would have an incredible alot of people posting under alts with hate threads against CCP for the loss of their accounts. CCP seem to understand the issue, yet refuze to act on it for two reasons. $$ from subscriptions, and they realise mining needs a serious overhaul, yet it's so far back on their "to do" list their current concensus is to turn a blind eye and let it continue untill they get around to the cause of the problem, which at the current rate wont be untill another 3 years, or even longer if CCP somehow manages to continue walkign down the same path that got them into this incarna-mess in the first place.
Now on the other hand - the ratting bots, the ones which fuel RMTselling sites, need to be dealt with. It would be in CCP's favor to tackle them head on, forcing people to buy ETC's for Isk rather than the cheaper alternative from the RMT Sellers. Again, CCP at this point in time wont dare ban the botters, they're paying CCPs' bills right now, and because of the mass players leaving in protest, they need every damn cent they can get.
What we should be focusing on is other issues that have been long ignored because it seems its far easier for CCP to ignore than actualy address the issue.
Here's a few examples.
AFK Cloaking
are moon minerals and the need to have them... move? deplete from a moon and respawn elsewhere.
0.0 Sov Mechanics
Re-Designing Mining so you dont want to commit suicide IRL after an hour of mining continuiously.
Allowing skillchange via evegate?
Etc. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:46:00 -
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Hroya wrote:Just cut off null sec from empire, only accesable through wormholes.
I could post a lenghty proposal but what are the odds the above would even happen in the first place.
Just post it...
That is why this thread is here.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:02:00 -
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okay, those who say that Bots provide an incoming for CCP are FREAKING STUPID !!!!!
The vast majority of bots are being used by accounts that were paid with stolen credits cards / hacked bank accounts etc etc
Talk to any MMO developer and they will say the same thing.
Very few accounts that are used to grind isk / gold / whatever the currancy of the MMO are paid for using stolen credit cards and hacked bank accounts.
The issue with bots is that by and large you have 2 main camps.
The first is the single user. He may have 2 - 3 accounts and uses bots to mine ore or ice in high sec, mainly ice as it is a lot harder to spot.
Once he gets caught it is very unlikely he will bot again.
This people are not the problem.
It is the 2nd camp which are the problem.
The large organisations which use bots to run missions in high sec, who control vasts numbers of bots in null sec.
These guys sell the isk they generate to the RMT compaines for real money.
Eve is different to many other MMO's as its the players selling the isk to the RMT sites instead of them doing it themselves.
The only way forward is to hit these guys hard, but in doing that you will upset the big null sec alliances which also control the CSM...
That is why I can never see CCP going after them hard.
I would love for CCP to prove me and many other wrong but it hasn't happened so far.
I mean what ever happened to the Dev Blog Screeg was going put about regarding their effort against bots... maybe the Chair of the CSM, an old friend and Corp Collegue had a word :) |
Cypermethren
Celtic Cartage And Hauling
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:21:00 -
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Flawed logic there.
If they pay for an account with a stolen credit card, it will last a month or two.
That's just about the ammount of time needed to get a new character to the point that it COULD bot lvl 4's unattended.
This goes against logic, as they'd be wasting their own time doing this.
Its actualy more profitable for them(and safer) to buy ETC's and use plex for time on the account rather than link it to any credit card. If its linked to a credit card it gives CCP a name and number in which multiple accounts can be shut down.
Take a look again at the numbers. CCP Is massively in debt, its relying on eve to keep going while it finishes Dust and WoD - the two things that put them into debt in the first place.
To go ahead and kill off, even 5000 botting accounts would be like taking a knife and stabbing themselves in the leg.
So you agree with the mining side of botting? Ok.
I should have expanded the ratting bots to incude the HS missioners - it was my intention to include them but i was not specific enough.
Honestly, you people need one hell of a big wakeup call if you think CCP will ban botting accounts right now. I wish a botter who had balls/accounts to kill would step forward and act as an example. We all know the issue (if you open you're ears/eyes and listen/look for it) the accounts of so many people whom have reported teh same person over 6 times in just as many months - to see them still botting, same place same char - the entire time. Someone, about 2 months ago went to great effort to list over 150 botters, dates, and number of times reported, and the status of the person currently. Not a single person in that thread was dealt with.
For those still assleep, wake up, this world is not nice, money IS more important to corporations than doing what is right. Need i remind you of the numerous Vaccine debarcles - in real life - where a vaccine company has numerous batches of vaccines contaminated, or simply go "off" due to useby date - to be caught shipping them out to 3rd world countries - to be given to people because an aid foundation had placed an order for X vaccines to be sent there as part of an aid package.
I emplore you to find a CCP "promice" on their stance, and how they deal with botters - then for you to go out and start taking names, numbers, and reporting - and see for yourself the harsh truth in this matter if you still think CCP will take customer faith/happyness over money at this point in time. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:24:00 -
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Quote:The only way forward is to hit these guys hard, but in doing that you will upset the big null sec alliances which also control the CSM...
EVE Is Real...
Just like real life corruption at the highest levels.
Best quote ever.
Quote:Honestly, you people need one hell of a big wakeup call if you think CCP will ban botting accounts right now
I never said that.
I said address...
Fix.
Or make it legal for the general population.
I also said all MMO's will have to confront this issue as the years pass (much more so then they are now) Bots are only becoming smarter, more commonplace and easily accessible. |
Cypermethren
Celtic Cartage And Hauling
0
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:39:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Quote:The only way forward is to hit these guys hard, but in doing that you will upset the big null sec alliances which also control the CSM... EVE Is Real... Just like real life corruption at the highest levels. Best quote ever. Quote:Honestly, you people need one hell of a big wakeup call if you think CCP will ban botting accounts right now I never said that. I said address... Fix. Or make it legal for the general population. I also said all MMO's will have to confront this issue as the years pass (much more so then they are now) Bots are only becoming smarter, more commonplace and easily accessible.
Making it legal will never happen. That would be admitting their game is so boring in some parts that botting is required unless you have........issues...... Which is what the current problem with mining is now. Bar mining for pocket change - if you want to build something worthwile, battleship and upwards - your'e up for days/hours/months of mining long hours to achieve it.
At current its still cheaper to buy certain equipment in bulk, haul it out to 0.0 and refine it into minerals than it is to mine, that is if you sit down and work out risk vs reward for time spent, and ships lost due to pvp, and downtime from people camping your system once they realise you're doing a mining op.
The fact that this issue has been around for YEARS - yet CCP still does not address it is what angers me.
They say they're changing, they say they're going to listen to the playerbase.....
but all we can see in their "look here's proof we're changing/listening to you" thread is a few changes that just happend to be the biggest 3 that the community has been bitching about for the past two months. Still no talk, not even saying that they're discussing the situation in the back rooms (not that it would count if they did - Like CCP say to us - judge the playerbase by their actions not by their words - we take the same stance with them - and as current its coming across as all boulderdash in an attempt at a bandaid to the problem they caused and once its calmed down, and subscribers go up it'll be back to their usual tricks) |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:53:00 -
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Quote:Making it legal will never happen. That would be admitting their game is so boring in some parts that botting is required unless you have........issues......
Not if bots are prolific in other MMORPG's which they are.
EVE is no more boring or tedious then anything else, it is only slightly more entertaining.
But I don't want this to be a bot's only thread...
Is there no one else out there that has a voice that they want heard? |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.23 19:57:00 -
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These Bots are getting very advanced. The other day one spent 45 minutes scamming me out of 5 plexes in Jita. |
Cypermethren
Celtic Cartage And Hauling
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Posted - 2011.09.23 20:16:00 -
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AFK Cloaking.
Its actaly become a tatcic now to have throw away alts - ones trained to fly cloaks and drop covert cyno's.
Leave said alt wherever you want to camp 23/7. Do all the important things on you're main char (mine/rat/pvp) - while checking on the alt cloaker periodicly.
When juicy targets appear - light covert cyno - jump gang in - get kills - log out after aggression timer.
Needs counter - Again CCP refuzes to touch on the issue because - before the incarna stint - it would have caused too many QQ's from the people whom employ this tatic, and bias with the people who run the show liking using this technique themselves.
Provide a reasonable counter or change cloaking.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
50
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Posted - 2011.09.23 22:00:00 -
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Cypermethren wrote:AFK Cloaking.
Its actaly become a tatcic now to have throw away alts - ones trained to fly cloaks and drop covert cyno's.
Leave said alt wherever you want to camp 23/7. Do all the important things on you're main char (mine/rat/pvp) - while checking on the alt cloaker periodicly.
When juicy targets appear - light covert cyno - jump gang in - get kills - log out after aggression timer.
Needs counter - Again CCP refuzes to touch on the issue because - before the incarna stint - it would have caused too many QQ's from the people whom employ this tatic, and bias with the people who run the show liking using this technique themselves.
Provide a reasonable counter or change cloaking.
are you for real?
so not only is the cloaker afk 23/7 now his entire gang is too?
sure they are, theres tons of places in eve where you find SB fleets gathered aroung blops ships just sitting there with the fingers up their backsides waiting all day and night for you to log in and start missioning so they can hotdrop you.
the butthurt is strong with this one.
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Hroya
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Posted - 2011.09.23 22:12:00 -
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no links empire-null through stargates and thus no cyno
wormholes same level, no static exit. wh exits dont need to be scanned out, visible on overview just like gates.
no ship assembly arrays allowed in a wh. ( contain unstable component)
70-75% of ore and ice in empire moved to low sec.
no sec hit in low sec from kills ( no cops around to fine you)
dreads and carriers will be the top you encounter there.
upkeep for capships. low upkeep for industrial -> high upkeep for titans.
lesser upkeep when offline, max upkeep in catagoy when online.
Upkeep for every gate in system in null ( maintenance fee )
Faction ammo only in faction warfare store.
Joining faction lowers standings with other factions over time.
Higher standings = more lp payout on conquering low sec system via FW npc sov structure.
killing fw players will result in delayed docking timer, increasing with every kill
to fix, join fw to claim systems.
fw players killing none fw players lose standings and get less or no lp payout plus delayed docking timer.
null sec increased anomalies, only those drop faction loot.
reinforced fights. the longer you fight, the more reinforcements poor in, the higher the faction drops will be.
Low bounty on null sec npc's. empire factions dont pay for npc's killed outside their turf. Production and trade from null to empire is essential for income. Wormhole small gang fights increased at inceased frequency. more risk for wh day stripping.
Secure your traderoute at that time.
no t3 research in empire, only in null.
Monopolise the adventure into null in that area atleast.
Regional cyno blocking stations.
modular stations to eihter build up for industry or massive defense to secure industry behind.
fully deployed they requiere sizable fleet to take down and destroy. cant be cynoed past , attuned to redirect any cyne to within combat range. Stations subject to upkeep.
moongoo distribution is subject to depletion. moonminers send notification when new goo type is detected or current ones run low.
neutral assisting of ships that have none npc combat target results in delayed docking timer ( station has to make some security checks)
nex items in empire will be general assortment. exclusive items in null along with patterns to select your own clothing output.
No isk transfers from empire to null. transaction authorities are prohibited to offer that service by the ruling factions.
No clonejump back and forth, like with wormholes there is no link.
npc spawns in belts are randomised from a pool of various npc types, resulting in small scale incursions in every region.
subject to reinforcement up to fixed lvl depending on location.
T2 destroyer can be equiped with a "paint" launcher. Can be equiped various sizes of "painbombs" ( 1au up to 3-4 ?) that can be fired and subsequently detonated at desired destination resulting in a paint bubble sticking to any ship within the area. Cloaked ships will appear for a certain duration depending on the bomb lvl and can get locked on for warp in.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.23 22:20:00 -
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Quote:AFK Cloaking.
Its actaly become a tatcic now to have throw away alts - ones trained to fly cloaks and drop covert cyno's.
One of the biggest banes of 0.0 imho.
And it's not just for quick kills either, I've chatted with a few and a common reason is "system denial". Systems with higher numbers of Sanctums are often camped by AFK cloakies who go to bed in system.
Is it a form of griefing and/or reducing ISK potential? I've seen players aggro enough to quit a corp and go elsewhere? (Even heard it said that some CEO's use them to get players into CTA's!).
In my mind, any complaint must be accompanied by a potential solution though.
Only one I can think off is having the cloak effectiveness degrade the longer you stay in system. AFK or otherwise. Force them to use a gate occassionally and you have a chance to catch them.
Inactivity timers will only work on the ones that go to bed or forget to recloak.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
50
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Posted - 2011.09.23 22:25:00 -
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Cypermethren wrote:AFK Cloaking.
Its actaly become a tatcic now to have throw away alts - ones trained to fly cloaks and drop covert cyno's.
Leave said alt wherever you want to camp 23/7. Do all the important things on you're main char (mine/rat/pvp) - while checking on the alt cloaker periodicly.
When juicy targets appear - light covert cyno - jump gang in - get kills - log out after aggression timer.
Needs counter - Again CCP refuzes to touch on the issue because - before the incarna stint - it would have caused too many QQ's from the people whom employ this tatic, and bias with the people who run the show liking using this technique themselves.
Provide a reasonable counter or change cloaking.
any chnace they can fix the logging out bug, that dosnt actually log your ship out first.
as if you didnt you woudl have them dealing with a lot of i logged out and died 3h later mails
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Solhild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.09.23 23:05:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Hroya wrote:Just cut off null sec from empire, only accesable through wormholes.
I could post a lenghty proposal but what are the odds the above would even happen in the first place.
Just post it... That is why this thread is here.
Would you still allow jump freighters to get there from hisec - interesting |
Hroya
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Posted - 2011.09.23 23:37:00 -
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Solhild wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Hroya wrote:Just cut off null sec from empire, only accesable through wormholes.
I could post a lenghty proposal but what are the odds the above would even happen in the first place.
Just post it... That is why this thread is here. Would you still allow jump freighters to get there from hisec - interesting
Nop, every trade empire <->null goes through wormholes.
Hop around in empire based jumpfreighters in low sec if you desire to do so.
Wormhole traffic will make even the largest alliance subject to risk from smaller entities and it will be an essential trade activity to provide income for paying the null sec upkeeps. More space=more upkeep. More caps=more upkeep.
At first the impact will be minimal on their wallets but even the high rollers out there will need to take genuine risks eventually in order to sustain themself.
Eihter risk alot to keep what you have, or downsize what you have to lower the frequency of risk and thus more space available for other known or new entities in null.
Steamrolling with a blob of capitols will come at a hefty upkeep so that should downsize aswell over time.
Null sec does however have all the best minerals and all the faction items, plus t3 invention. So you can expect that those will go up in price quite heavilly in empire. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
32
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Posted - 2011.09.23 23:51:00 -
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The above idea would be great if CCP made a new null sec that was only accessible via wormhole.
But to do this to all null sec would take to much away from the server.
Hell... I am hopping null sec entry points right now in a fleet of 14 |
Hroya
0
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Posted - 2011.09.24 00:07:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:The above idea would be great if CCP made a new null sec that was only accessible via wormhole.
But to do this to all null sec would take to much away from the server.
Hell... I am hopping null sec entry points right now in a fleet of 14
Atm you can acces null sec via wormholes allready, granted the entry points are not that abundand.
They could however let every wormhole contain 3 exits. 1 for null sec, 1 for low sec and 1 for high sec. The server useage on the current null sec connection points will be shifted towards those points.
As a result, the combination of the proposed idea's, bot activity will be lowered.
Yes, some amounth of accaunts may falter, not by the risk or change in their enviroment but more because their current activity may not be that suitable anymore.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.09.24 09:36:00 -
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This is for those who think that CCP does not ban bots because they will lose money.
Example 1.
RMT Site purchases Eve Time Codes using stolen Credit Card /Hack Bank Accounts via a number of different non-official Eve SItes.
RMT Agent creates new account and activaties its via PLEX brought with isk generated via botting.
RMT Agent uses Time Codes to reedem PLEX.
Player visits RMT Site and purchases Isk.
RMT Agent contacts player in game and offer PLEX as an alternative to Isk.
They offer the PLEX at below current market rates which mean player will actually recieve more isk then they purchased when they come to sell the PLEX.
How does CCP benifit from this?
Example 2.
Again RMT Site purchases Eve Time Codes using stolen Credit Card /Hack Bank Accounts via a number of different non-official Eve SItes.
RMT Agent creates new account and activaties its via PLEX brought with isk generated via botting.
RMT Agent uses Time Codes to reedem PLEX.
RMT agent uses PLEX to purchase a new character.
RMT Agent uses this character to Bot with.
They use the isk generated from botting to keep account active.
This Character stays active until CCP Banned the character twice.
At this point they can either continue Botting with this character and risk a perma ban or sell the character on.
Again how does CCP make money out of this. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
32
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:46:00 -
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Does anyone have constructive comments they would like to state?
Because this thread has once again dwindled into stupidity.
And you wonder why nothing ever gets heard/done.
1. Someone thinks nullsec should only be accessible through wh's (are you kidding me lol) 
2. Two other people can't decide if CCP likes bots or not (that is not even the point of this thread)
If there are no intelligent people actually playing this game then you deserve whatever you get out of it.
Does anyone have anything they would like to add/tell/say to the CSM's or CCP?
If not?
Then I guess all is well... |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2011.09.24 17:24:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Does anyone have constructive comments they would like to state?
Because this thread has once again dwindled into stupidity.
People have just been following the example of the OP.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
33
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:09:00 -
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Comments from a face like yours truly wounds me 
Truly... LOL |
HaxTis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:10:00 -
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Cypermethren wrote:AFK Cloaking.
Its actaly become a tatcic now to have throw away alts - ones trained to fly cloaks and drop covert cyno's.
Leave said alt wherever you want to camp 23/7. Do all the important things on you're main char (mine/rat/pvp) - while checking on the alt cloaker periodicly.
When juicy targets appear - light covert cyno - jump gang in - get kills - log out after aggression timer.
Needs counter - Again CCP refuzes to touch on the issue because - before the incarna stint - it would have caused too many QQ's from the people whom employ this tatic, and bias with the people who run the show liking using this technique themselves.
Provide a reasonable counter or change cloaking.
have made a thread a while back stating the very thing to fix this issue. it would be a skill that would allow you to scan down the resonance of the cloaking device, since it is a elcetrical device it would in some aspect make a sound or electric vibration. so we take a skill that allow you to scan down a ship to with in a certain ammount of area per level. simple easy problem solved
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
33
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:30:00 -
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Seems to me that so called counter to afk cloaking would be easily countered by a simple macrobot. Don't you? |
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