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Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.08.11 02:11:00 -
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What on Earth is causing this? WoW can run smoothly. Quake 3 can run smoothly. Portal can run smoothly. SC2 can run smoothly. But after a while of running Eve it starts dipping in FPS steeply for just a fraction of a second every second. The in-game FPS graph ends up looking a bit like a wave, only the dip is a straight line downwards to only a couple FPS, resulting in extremely jerky UI responses and screen drawing. OSX's Activity Monitor shows nothing out of the ordinary, in fact it shows a fair amount of IDLE (!?!?!?!?) CPU while this is occurring in Eve :-( This all started happening roughly since the last patch.
Christ almighty this port is a real dog at times. I can't believe CCP can release this garbage with their names on it. It's the worst Mac software I've seen... since the last Transgaming-wrappered piece of crap I had the misfortune to play. Urrrrgh :-(
FYI - I'm on a mid-2007 24" 2.8GHz iMac, OSX 10.5.8, 4GB RAM. Frog blast the vent core! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.08.15 05:12:00 -
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Is there some reason why CCP can't even make a decent forum? I have to login TWICE to post here - I click 'Reply to this post', I'm prompted to login, after login I'm dumped back at the post without being taken to a new post creation page - dumb. I hit reply again. The same thing happens. I hit reply a THIRD time, FINALLY I get a new post page.
Anyway, I just wanted to bump this topic back up. Still no solution. Eve for Mac still starts stuttering badly within minutes of being run. No other app is affected. I can still run WoW, Q3A, Unreal, etc all fine. Only Eve is affected this way. Still no sign of any other App's CPU usage peaking every second while Eve runs.
I can't believe I'm stupid enough to pay for this garbage. I suppose I'm just thick like that. Well, I'm starting to wise up and will be switching to playing Eve for Winblows on my Boot Camp partition if nothing improves SOON. CCP - your Mac version of Eve is the laughingstock of all Mac MMOers I know. Does that bother you at ALL? Frog blast the vent core! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.08.21 15:07:00 -
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Still happening after the latest patch, though general performance is better. However Eve frequently remains unplayable for long periods of time while the stuttering is occurring. Again - I see no other process fighting for CPU time. I have this problem with no other app, not WoW, not Quake, not Team Fortress 2, etc, etc. In fact I've never even seen behaviour like this before, ever.
Please fix this. Eve for Mac is still very badly broken and unplayable. I am tired of booting into Windows to play. I'm actually just plain tired of Eve as a whole. It's getting so it's simply not worth the trouble to play. It's easier to just play a Mac game that's a real Mac app and 'Just WorksÖ'. Eve is Just BrokenÖ. Feel free to borrow that. *frustrated look as I head to bed to read and try and forget how annoying this awful software is* Frog blast the vent core! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:02:00 -
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Still having to login to forums twice before I can post, still having stuttering beginning from minutes to hours into playing Eve, yet no other app is affected even those running WHILE Eve stutters. Also I'm seeing the stuttering in Windows booted into it using Boot Camp on the same mid-2007 24" 2.8GHz iMac. So it's a bug in both versions of Eve :-( -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Sazuka Kirr
Caldari Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.02 09:27:00 -
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You've posted a bug report, I take it? |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.09.06 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sazuka Kirr You've posted a bug report, I take it?
Unless the GM is pulling my leg, then they have on my behalf and say they've reported this to Apple (though I'm left wondering why - no other game is affected. This seems like an Eve bug to me...).
Meanwhile apparently my model of iMac is unable to play Eve acceptably in either OSX or Windows via Boot Camp. Pretty shocking given it was the top of the line model only a couple years ago :-( -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Zarutha
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Posted - 2010.09.13 07:06:00 -
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I installed Windows 7 32bit through bootcamp. It's like night and day. On the same machine, same hardware, in Windows I have added an additional 10 - 15 fps. Also now I can run everything in the highest graphic settings. Its like a whole new game.
I just think the Mac OS client needs more work and a lot more optimization. It's not worth using.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:08:00 -
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Still happening, still having to restart Eve every 30 minutes or so when the blasted FPS dipping once a second starts :-( -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:27:00 -
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I have now had to restart Eve eight times in two hours because it starts stuttering as FPS nosedives once a second. I want to SCREAM. I really do. How can Eve be broken on the mid-2007 24" iMac? It was the top of the line model when Eve for Mac was in beta. *extremely frustrated look* What also ****es me off is the GM has tried to push the matter off on Apple. Well NO OTHER GAME is affected, in OSX or Windows on this Mac :-( -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.09.22 13:48:00 -
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Perfectly normal for Eve. Start by closing any busy chat channels in Eve. Next you may have to clear cache files in the ESC menus - one of six such options.
I'll scratch my head a little if those don't work ...
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.09.22 13:51:00 -
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Of course, if Local chat is the problem then you may not want to live in Jita. ;)
----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.09.23 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright Perfectly normal for Eve. Start by closing any busy chat channels in Eve. Next you may have to clear cache files in the ESC menus - one of six such options.
I'll scratch my head a little if those don't work ...
Then why does the sharp dip in FPS to nearly zero once a second every second start happening in WH space when I'm the only one in the entire system? Look, this isn't normal stuttering that happens in busy systems then goes away when I leave. It starts and does not stop till I restart Eve, and it happens on mid-2007 24" 2.8GHz iMacs in either OSX or Windows. It's effect is lessoned, but not removed by lowering all graphics options to low, and no other app is affected (even those running while Eve is stuttering). Thus I believe it to be some memory leak or other bug with Eve's graphics system when working with an ATI Radeon 2600 HD card. A GM tried to blame Apple, but tell me - why is no other app (WoW, EQ, Quake series, etc) affected? -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.09.27 02:59:00 -
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*restarts Eve for the 8th time today to get rid of the stuttering* :-( *deep sigh* Why was there no testing on one of the most popular models of iMac? -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.09.27 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon *restarts Eve for the 8th time today to get rid of the stuttering* :-( *deep sigh* Why was there no testing on one of the most popular models of iMac?
You must have forgotten to delete Tycho from your HD before you installed EVE. You know how he is.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.09.29 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Toovhon *restarts Eve for the 8th time today to get rid of the stuttering* :-( *deep sigh* Why was there no testing on one of the most popular models of iMac?
You must have forgotten to delete Tycho from your HD before you installed EVE. You know how he is.
For all his faults, even rampant he ran better than Eve does, heh. *sighs as I fly back to my home station with FPS dropping like a stone once a second* I've had it with this tonight. Maybe I'll revisit the Marathon instead... -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon Then why does the sharp dip in FPS to nearly zero once a second every second start happening in WH space when I'm the only one in the entire system?
All busy chat channels, not just local. Visible or not if you are connected to a busy channel then expect the regular one second stutter.
Quote: Thus I believe it to be some memory leak or other bug ...
Memory leak is highly probable, Eve has a bit of a history of this.
It's just as likely it's due to Python being misused as a low level language though. Eve has a strong history with this problem, which is why it's so CPU heavy.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright
Originally by: Toovhon Then why does the sharp dip in FPS to nearly zero once a second every second start happening in WH space when I'm the only one in the entire system?
All busy chat channels, not just local. Visible or not if you are connected to a busy channel then expect the regular one second stutter.
Quote: Thus I believe it to be some memory leak or other bug ...
Memory leak is highly probable, Eve has a bit of a history of this.
It's just as likely it's due to Python being misused as a low level language though. Eve has a strong history with this problem, which is why it's so CPU heavy.
I've tried turning chat off and just hanging in empty WH space. Eventually Eve still starts stuttering once a second, every second, no variation in the time between stutters, though the overall FPS eventually falls as well. It will not get better, no matter where I fly or how long I wait. It only gets worse. Only a restart fixes it - for a brief while, anyway. So whatever this is, it is not chat lag. I can confirm that much. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon I've tried turning chat off and just hanging in empty WH space. Eventually Eve still starts stuttering once a second, every second, no variation in the time between stutters, though the overall FPS eventually falls as well. It will not get better, no matter where I fly or how long I wait. It only gets worse. Only a restart fixes it - for a brief while, anyway. So whatever this is, it is not chat lag. I can confirm that much.
Lag and stutter are independent and mostly unrelated problems. Lag doesn't ever reduce framerate. An interrelated bug might but that's another story.
At any rate the second idea was to wipe the cache clean. Give that a shot.
----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright
Originally by: Toovhon I've tried turning chat off and just hanging in empty WH space. Eventually Eve still starts stuttering once a second, every second, no variation in the time between stutters, though the overall FPS eventually falls as well. It will not get better, no matter where I fly or how long I wait. It only gets worse. Only a restart fixes it - for a brief while, anyway. So whatever this is, it is not chat lag. I can confirm that much.
Lag and stutter are independent and mostly unrelated problems. Lag doesn't ever reduce framerate. An interrelated bug might but that's another story.
At any rate the second idea was to wipe the cache clean. Give that a shot.
I've reinstalled Eve, deleted settings, cleared caches, run Eve under Windows XP on the same Mac using Boot Camp - same stuttering on what was the top of the line Mac when Eve was being beta tested for Mac. It's not corrupted settings. It's not chat. It is Eve being a piece of crap, to be blunt. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Luna Moonraker
LUNA-CORP
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Posted - 2010.10.01 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon I've reinstalled Eve, deleted settings, cleared caches, run Eve under Windows XP on the same Mac using Boot Camp - same stuttering on what was the top of the line Mac when Eve was being beta tested for Mac. It's not corrupted settings. It's not chat. It is Eve being a piece of crap, to be blunt.
You keep repeating this mantra as though it makes a difference. The simple fact is you are playing EVE on a computer now over three years old, together with an OS which has not been updated for over a year. Yes your spec just about fits into the EVE Minimum requirements (though tbh these really need updating) but inevitably over time older systems will become redundant (though I am sure there are still plenty of people playing EVE with older, lesser specced Macs including CPP Fallout)
Looking at the symptoms it looks more like a hardware issue than software specific especially as it occurs both in the Mac OS and in Boot Camp. it may just be that EVE is asking more of your graphics card/ cooling system/ CPU, or exposing some issue with memory etc, than the other games which is causing the stuttering. So worth ruling this out by running the Apple Hardware Test, checking operating temperature during play, (try Temperature Monitor) etc.
Just to confirm, it could help to post your Graphics & Display settings.
If the 'stuttering' is due to the graphics card not being able to cope, then selecting "Interval One" may help as it basically acts as vsync similar to WoW etc. More info here:
Interval One/Vsync
Other things that may impact performance could be:
Auto backups during play (Time Machine etc) Spotlight indexing Other apps using bandwidth Wireless network issue (try it connected via ethernet) Current ATI drivers just not working correctly for your card model Hard drive disk space (running up to or close to maximum HD space will cause issues)
Finally, upgrading to OS 10.6 could well make all the difference, if it is an option.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2010.10.01 16:01:00 -
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I use to have this same issue, but I did something to make it go away, and this morning I finally remembered what I did and what was the cause.
It was heat.
EVE forces the graphics card to run absolutely flat out, and it gets hot. Activity monitor does not monitor the graphics card.
I use a MBP while sitting on the couch, with the computer on a pillow on my lap, and got quite hot. It would start the frame rate stutter, I'd do something to cool it, and the fps would stabilize. Now I got a board on top of the pillow and a fan base on top of that, and never see the issue.
I assume the short time needed to restart EVE allows the graphics card to cool a bit, and gives you some time before the stutter starts again.
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.10.01 23:32:00 -
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*logs in twice just to be able to post this*
I am running Eve in Windows XP which is not considered outdated either by CCP. Same problem.
I am running Eve at low graphics settings in OSX and mid-high in WinXP. It is not me pushing graphics settings too high on old hardware. The stuttering does not start right away - it can sometimes very rarely take hours to start. Other times only minutes. And it DOES NOT EVER stop, until I restart Eve - upon which seconds later Eve is fine. That clearly rules out my graphics settings being too high.
I run iStat menus (like Activity Monitor in a menulette) and watch it during the stuttering. There is no excessive heat reported by any of my iMac's heat sensors (I've substantially bumped up my fan speeds anyway, as I like to run my Mac nice and cool), no excessive CPU usage by other apps, no excessive hard disk activity. Other apps are unaffected WHILE Eve stutters. Quitting Eve as it's stuttering and immediately launching another graphics intensive app like WoW on mid-high settings reveals no slowdowns elsewhere. Other GPU intentsive apps can be run for hours and hours with no issues.
This is not network performance. It is FPS. I am watching the FPS readout. I am watching the network readout. It is FPS taking a dive each second. Not network lag.
Yeah, I keep repeating myself because YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!!! It is an EVE issue. NOT HARDWARE. NOT NETWORK. I have consistently ruled everything else out. All signs directly point to an Eve issue. But hey, argue with me some more. That's obviously what you want here. To troll. Well sorry - I've done the legwork, I know the situation backwards and forwards. I work with Macs and PCs day in and day out and am a highly experienced veteran Mac user. So nice try - but it's still Eve as any sane person can see from the overwhelming evidence. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Luna Moonraker
Gallente LUNA-CORP
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Posted - 2010.10.01 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon *logs in twice just to be able to post this*
I am running Eve in Windows XP which is not considered outdated either by CCP. Same problem.
I am running Eve at low graphics settings in OSX and mid-high in WinXP. It is not me pushing graphics settings too high on old hardware. The stuttering does not start right away - it can sometimes very rarely take hours to start. Other times only minutes. And it DOES NOT EVER stop, until I restart Eve - upon which seconds later Eve is fine. That clearly rules out my graphics settings being too high.
I run iStat menus (like Activity Monitor in a menulette) and watch it during the stuttering. There is no excessive heat reported by any of my iMac's heat sensors (I've substantially bumped up my fan speeds anyway, as I like to run my Mac nice and cool), no excessive CPU usage by other apps, no excessive hard disk activity. Other apps are unaffected WHILE Eve stutters. Quitting Eve as it's stuttering and immediately launching another graphics intensive app like WoW on mid-high settings reveals no slowdowns elsewhere. Other GPU intentsive apps can be run for hours and hours with no issues.
This is not network performance. It is FPS. I am watching the FPS readout. I am watching the network readout. It is FPS taking a dive each second. Not network lag.
Yeah, I keep repeating myself because YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!!! It is an EVE issue. NOT HARDWARE. NOT NETWORK. I have consistently ruled everything else out. All signs directly point to an Eve issue. But hey, argue with me some more. That's obviously what you want here. To troll. Well sorry - I've done the legwork, I know the situation backwards and forwards. I work with Macs and PCs day in and day out and am a highly experienced veteran Mac user. So nice try - but it's still Eve as any sane person can see from the overwhelming evidence.
So, how did it go selecting "Interval One"?
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.10.02 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Toovhon on 02/10/2010 00:04:33
Originally by: Luna Moonraker So, how did it go selecting "Interval One"?
Well it was really easy to do since it's been on that setting by default forever.
Edit: classic troll behaviour: latch on to anything not immediately addressed by the OP's post. Then when he does address it, latch on to the next thing not addressed. Wait for him to waste more time addressing that. Then latch onto something else... -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.10.02 02:28:00 -
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We're only trying to help. If you don't list what you've tried we'll assume you've not tried it.
Having said that, I do agree with you, Eve client performance leaves a lot to be desired. Believe it or not, though, it's the best it's even been! From August 2006 (Dragon patch) through most of 2007 trying to play Eve was pure frustration, and not until the end of 2008 (Quantum Rise patch) did CCP really start to get the client software back on track.
Also, while the Mac client is slower than the Windoze client the performance problems you are highlighting are not Mac specific.
It could be worse, no improvements at all. I've had the misfortune of using a GPS nav unit recently, boy that was an exercise in patience. Give me a map on a piece of paper any day.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.10.02 03:20:00 -
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BTW: If this really is happening on a fresh install of Windoze or OS X (Formated clean partition) then you are looking at a hardware problem.
A final test would be try another computer altogether. Borrow one and set it up for a day at your place. This would separate out any possible software bug that might be manifesting itself due to your location.
----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.10.02 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright BTW: If this really is happening on a fresh install of Windoze or OS X (Formated clean partition) then you are looking at a hardware problem.
A final test would be try another computer altogether. Borrow one and set it up for a day at your place. This would separate out any possible software bug that might be manifesting itself due to your location.
I'll accept it's a hardware problem when I see a single solitary problem in another app that even slightly resembles this issue. As it is I have extremely few crashes or issues in other apps. Things are fine except for Eve buggering up, and I play a lot of different games, so unless Eve alone does something special, I'm not willing to blame my Mac.
I know most other computers are not experiencing this issue, but that does not make mine any less valid, given nothing else is showing any issues. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.10.02 07:33:00 -
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I guess that's as far as it goes then. I can't exactly try for you.
----- The Eve Client - A Love Story - The single biggest fix CCP ever did to Eve. Keep it up! |
Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.10.02 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright I guess that's as far as it goes then. I can't exactly try for you.
*logs in TWICE _AGAIN_ to be able to post*
Hold on while I spend thousands on a new Mac because ONE SINGLE app is not working, yet EVERY SINGLE OTHER APP is, and has for the life of my Mac. Hey, I've got money to burn. Why the hell else am I spending so much time gaming since the economy tanked? -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2010.10.02 10:56:00 -
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no friends then?
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