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Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:49:00 - [121] Originally by: Sader Rykane Not sure what the argument here is about. The Senior GM has declared this to be an exploit. So it's an exploit. He got his ship back as a result. The only precedent that was set here is: Extending an aggression timer via shooting wrecks is an exploit and unintended. Piwates who wont risk real piracy want it to be a game mechanic. They QQ, blah blah blah...
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:58:00 - [122] Originally by: Aiwha Piwates who wont risk real piracy want it to be a game mechanic. They QQ, blah blah blah... I'm not against ninjas in my missions or even pirates. What they do is usually a valid form of PvP, although it does tend to make them a bit soft though. 90% of the ninjas who come to my mission never get anything from me, or end up losing ships to me because they aren't used to coming against a "carebear" whose ready for them. That being said, this isn't about pirates or carebears, it's an unintended game mechanic. It doesn't matter how long its been like that, or whether everyone should know about it (and for the record, I know about this particular mechanic though its never been employed vs me), it is unintended. Now you seem to forget that another precedent has been set here, the pirate that performed this action didn't get reprimanded. So you can still use this particular exploit without getting "banned" or even hand slapped. So keep doing it and you'll eventually find a mission runner who won't petition it and you get to keep his loots. You lost, take it on the chin and try again. Don't bring it up on the forums because now you're making sure more of your "targets" know its petitionable and that's just counterproductive to your "pirating". Orca Pilot Sale
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:59:00 - [123] Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/08/2010 14:00:58 Originally by: Aiwha Piwates who wont risk real piracy want it to be a game mechanic. They QQ, blah blah blah... So you must be one of those "If i wanted pvp i'd go to losec/null" kinda guys eh? Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Kiritsubo Ritual Suicide	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:09:00 - [124] Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/08/2010 14:00:58 Originally by: Aiwha Piwates who wont risk real piracy want it to be a game mechanic. They QQ, blah blah blah... So you must be one of those "If i wanted pvp i'd go to losec/null" kinda guys eh? Listen to the lowbear, real men camp stations with carriers.
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:15:00 - [125] Originally by: Sader Rykane Not sure what the argument here is about. The Senior GM has declared this to be an exploit. So it's an exploit. He got his ship back as a result. The only precedent that was set here is: Extending an aggression timer via shooting wrecks is an exploit and unintended. I see no quote by a senior GM stating this is an exploit, please post it. Lots of whiners in this thread. I'm guessing you "low/null sec leet pvpers" don't like the thought of your carebear alts being in danger. Just because a game mechanic does not work the way you thought it does, does not make it an exploit when it is used by someone who understands it. Shooting at anything out in space that is owned by a player; ship, drone, POS, anchored containers, cans, or wrecks, refreshes the aggression timer. Its That Simple If you cannot stand the thought of putting yourself in that sort of situation, don't leave anything in space. The idiot MR shot at a ninja, the idiot MR lost his ship due to it. He could have ignored the ninja. He could have abandoned his wrecks. He could have shot his wrecks. He could have left the area. He could have logged out. He could have undocked in something OTHER than his CNR. He didn't. He saw the aggression timer refreshing, he clicked the box that allowed him to undock his CNR while in combat, and he died. The fact that he states he was happy to get his pod away safely shows how little he knows about aggro mechanics. The fact that he states he saw the aggression timer jumping from 7 to 9 minutes shows he is either lying/embellishing his story, or just wasn't even really paying attention to begin with. The timer refreshes to 14m (14m59s on mouse over) for both players. I hope you're taking notes, there will be a test. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:25:00 - [126] Originally by: Awesome Possum Lots of whiners in this thread. Yep. Starting with the OP and followed by you. Take your own advice and stop whining about this already. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:28:00 - [127] Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/08/2010 14:34:07 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Awesome Possum Lots of whiners in this thread. Yep. Starting with the OP and followed by you. Take your own advice and stop whining about this already. ...said the biggest carebear in this thread Matrix Skye's record on Battleclinic is truely puzzling Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:35:00 - [128] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 12/08/2010 14:35:24 Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/08/2010 14:34:07 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Awesome Possum Lots of whiners in this thread. Yep. Starting with the OP and followed by you. Take your own advice and stop whining about this already. ...said the biggest carebear in this thread Matrix Skye's record on Battleclinic is truely puzzling Ninjas calling others carebears . Too cute. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:38:00 - [129] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Griefer beware: If you cross my path I WILL blast you :). thats cute Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:41:00 - [130] Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: Sader Rykane Not sure what the argument here is about. The Senior GM has declared this to be an exploit. So it's an exploit. He got his ship back as a result. The only precedent that was set here is: Extending an aggression timer via shooting wrecks is an exploit and unintended. I see no quote by a senior GM stating this is an exploit, please post it. Lots of whiners in this thread. I'm guessing you "low/null sec leet pvpers" don't like the thought of your carebear alts being in danger. Just because a game mechanic does not work the way you thought it does, does not make it an exploit when it is used by someone who understands it. Shooting at anything out in space that is owned by a player; ship, drone, POS, anchored containers, cans, or wrecks, refreshes the aggression timer. Its That Simple If you cannot stand the thought of putting yourself in that sort of situation, don't leave anything in space. The idiot MR shot at a ninja, the idiot MR lost his ship due to it. He could have ignored the ninja. He could have abandoned his wrecks. He could have shot his wrecks. He could have left the area. He could have logged out. He could have undocked in something OTHER than his CNR. He didn't. He saw the aggression timer refreshing, he clicked the box that allowed him to undock his CNR while in combat, and he died. The fact that he states he was happy to get his pod away safely shows how little he knows about aggro mechanics. The fact that he states he saw the aggression timer jumping from 7 to 9 minutes shows he is either lying/embellishing his story, or just wasn't even really paying attention to begin with. The timer refreshes to 14m (14m59s on mouse over) for both players. I hope you're taking notes, there will be a test. Read his blog... Quote: If you encounter this gain I strongly encourage you not to undock and rather contact us through a petition, such as Agent Mission In Progress or Exploits, whichever is applicable to you. This permits us to limit or eliminate penalties against you and investigate this in more detail. Why would you tell him to petition it under exploits if it wasn't an exploit? Orca Pilot Sale

Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:44:00 - [131] Originally by: Sader Rykane Why would you tell him to petition it under exploits if it wasn't an exploit? Which was the point of the original post. The GM fked up. Originally by:** CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.12 14:46:00 - [132] Originally by: Skippermonkey Originally by: Sader Rykane Why would you tell him to petition it under exploits if it wasn't an exploit? Which was the point of the original post. The GM fked up. According to you.** For me whatever a senior GM says is law, like it or not he's the authority not you. If he gets overturned later than so be it, I honestly don't care either way. That being said: He is right and you are WRONG until his decision is overturned. Orca Pilot Sale
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:01:00 - [133] CCP Skippermonkey has clearly stated his official stance on this. Who are we, the lowly players, to defy his ruling? ~ One million alts cant be wrong.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:03:00 - [134] Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/08/2010 15:04:21 [ / THREAD ] Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:04:00 - [135] Originally by: Skippermonkey [ / THREAD ] So basically instead of replying to me, you're just going to make jokes and keep screaming "I'm right, I'm right" to the rafters and rooftops right?
Kiritsubo Ritual Suicide	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:15:00 - [136] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 12/08/2010 14:38:41 Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/08/2010 14:34:07 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Awesome Possum Lots of whiners in this thread. Yep. Starting with the OP and followed by you. Take your own advice and stop whining about this already. ...said the biggest carebear in this thread Matrix Skye's record on Battleclinic is truely puzzling Ninjas calling others carebears . You guys are too cute. We're all carebears now...
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:16:00 - [137] Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Skippermonkey [ / THREAD ] So basically instead of replying to me, you're just going to make jokes and keep screaming "I'm right, I'm right" to the rafters and rooftops right? Well we are on page 5 of a thread that was designed to illicit a response from a CCP employee, and that isnt going to happen any time soon it seems. So, as much as im enjoying this 'my opinion is better than yours' match, there isnt much more to add, other than to troll each other into oblivion. Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:19:00 - [138] Originally by: Skippermonkey Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Skippermonkey [ / THREAD ] So basically instead of replying to me, you're just going to make jokes and keep screaming "I'm right, I'm right" to the rafters and rooftops right? Well we are on page 5 of a thread that was designed to illicit a response from a CCP employee, and that isnt going to happen any time soon it seems. So, as much as im enjoying this 'my opinion is better than yours' match, there isnt much more to add, other than to troll each other into oblivion. There isn't an opinion here. You don't play the game I want you to play. I don't play the game you want me to play. We play the game THEY want us to play. Now if you were smart, you'd delete this post or have it locked before you warn more people about this mechanic.
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:21:00 - [139] Originally by: Sader Rykane Quote: If you encounter this gain I strongly encourage you not to undock and rather contact us through a petition, such as Agent Mission In Progress or Exploits, whichever is applicable to you. This permits us to limit or eliminate penalties against you and investigate this in more detail. Why would you tell him to petition it under exploits if it wasn't an exploit? I'm referring to a GM post on these forums that can be linked to. Not some cut/paste from a blog. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:23:00 - [140] You don't ask for dev responses by making a stupid thread, you file a petition. Even a noob like you should know better than this. ~ One million alts cant be wrong.

Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:25:00 - [141] Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Skippermonkey Originally by: Sader Rykane Originally by: Skippermonkey [ / THREAD ] So basically instead of replying to me, you're just going to make jokes and keep screaming "I'm right, I'm right" to the rafters and rooftops right? Well we are on page 5 of a thread that was designed to illicit a response from a CCP employee, and that isnt going to happen any time soon it seems. So, as much as im enjoying this 'my opinion is better than yours' match, there isnt much more to add, other than to troll each other into oblivion. There isn't an opinion here. You don't play the game I want you to play. I don't play the game you want me to play. We play the game THEY want us to play. Now if you were smart, you'd delete this post or have it locked before you warn more people about this mechanic. Hmmm, could this be the trolling i mentioned? We are all bound by the same game mechanics, therefore play the same game. What we choose to do can differ, but with the aggro rules the way they are, yes you ARE playing the game i want to play. You get your knickers in a twist when somebody takes your space pixels and get all shooty Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:28:00 - [142] Edited by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank on 12/08/2010 15:27:52 Originally by: Skippermonkey You get your knickers in a twist when somebody takes your space pixels and get all shooty YOU get your knickers in a twist when someone gets their space pixels replaced. How is that any better? ~ One million alts cant be wrong.
Awesome Possum Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:29:00 - [143] Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank You don't ask for dev responses by making a stupid thread, you file a petition. Even a noob like you should know better than this. Oh is that what this thread was for? I thought it was for trashing carebears =/ I'm gonna go find a new thread to **** up then. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:29:00 - [144] Originally by: Skippermonkey Hmmm, could this be the trolling i mentioned? We are all bound by the same game mechanics, therefore play the same game. What we choose to do can differ, but with the aggro rules the way they are, yes you ARE playing the game i want to play. You get your knickers in a twist when somebody takes your space pixels and get all shooty Trolling because what I say doesn't match with your world view? If you legitimately felt this was a problem you would petition it. Have you? I'm going to guess that you haven't because you know you were abusing an exploit and are afraid you'll get reprimanded for it. Do us a favor, petition it, get ANOTHER response to support your argument. A whine thread accomplishes nothing. Even your target didn't post a thread about this crap. Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: Sader Rykane Quote: If you encounter this gain I strongly encourage you not to undock and rather contact us through a petition, such as Agent Mission In Progress or Exploits, whichever is applicable to you. This permits us to limit or eliminate penalties against you and investigate this in more detail. Why would you tell him to petition it under exploits if it wasn't an exploit? I'm referring to a GM post on these forums that can be linked to. Not some cut/paste from a blog. If you're not willing to believe that whats on his blog is most likely what the the GM said, then why the hell are you posting on this topic? The OP himself links the blog as his evidence.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:29:00 - [145] Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:30:00 - [146] It's quite clear you are in fact the one that is mad. ~ One million alts cant be wrong.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:34:00 - [147] Well considering his last post I'de say we've reached the low point with this thread. So I'll be going now o7.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:36:00 - [148] Originally by: Skippermonkey You get your knickers in a twist when somebody takes your space pixels and get all shooty Actually, the only one with his knickers in a twist and crying about someone else getting space pixels is YOU. What is it you say? Ah yes: HTFU Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Kiritsubo Ritual Suicide	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:39:00 - [149] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Skippermonkey You get your knickers in a twist when somebody takes your space pixels and get all shooty Actually, the only one with his knickers in a twist and crying about someone else getting space pixels is YOU. What is it you say? Ah yes: HTFU It's been more than 4 hours, should I call my doctor?
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:44:00 - [150] Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING



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