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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.11 19:54:00 -
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.08.11 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Hrmmm, I read the op a few times to make some sense of it and can only figure that he doesn't want the autopilot to use the wtz...
You probably should have read it a few more times.
That is exactly what he wants. He cannot understand why people who fly manually get to WTZ and people who AP have to land at 15 and slowboat.
To the OP. The answer is simple.
It was a balancing compromise. It allowed the removal of bookmarks and the addition of WTZ without the total elimination of risk.
If I may be so bold, /thread. ___
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.08.11 20:09:00 -
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We got WTZ because travelling was boring (well because people used bookmarks anyway, but that's not the point). However where I used to spend the autopilot, I now do most travelling manually because of the huge difference. Or in other words travelling has become annoyingly boring where I used to be able to ignore it, since there was no serious cost of using the autopilot in high sec.
At the very least the difference between autopilot and WTZ shouldn't be that great. Autopiloting a freighter is crazy.
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Usagi Toshiro
Amarr PoliCratton Technologies Crimson Dragons
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Posted - 2010.08.11 20:16:00 -
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I agree with the current system as it does keep an element of risk in multiple system jumps. It provides a real world choice that engages the player.
I wouldn't mind one exception though, flight paths with more than (x) systems. For me x=25 or more. I commonly work between the Hiematar region and Citadel regions, which are about 27ish jumps apart (Rens - Motsu). There are times when I wish I could A.P. and have that not take the better part of an hour.
But, I know that I am 'relatively' safe on this path and thus can use that time for other things like market research or napping.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2010.08.11 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch All trolling aside, WTZ is a common thing in EVE. I do it all the time and I see lots of other players zipping past me at gates doing the same.
So why does CCP treat this like it's some kind of special gift by not implementing an auto-WTZ?
I mean, sure the gate campers will hate it but seriously...it saves time when traveling.
Where is the challenge in the extra mouse clicks to achieve WTZ? If anything, it's annoying as hell, and what is the point of warping at breakneck speed to a gate only to jump out short of it and slow boat the rest of the way to it? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Yes, yes, I know about the history of bookmarks and how CCP implemented WTZ to get rid of them...but it still doesn't explain why or how it takes from the game not to have an auto-WTZ.
Comments?
This is one of the worst posts I have read after so many years of whine post on these forums. So instead of trolling you, or reasoning with you, or even saying WOW is that way
I shall instead Say . . .
With all of my heart, Eternum.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.08.11 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Seith Silverstein I'm sorry that you have to actually sit at the game to play it to maximum efficiency. Maybe you should be thankful that they even *have* a way to play the game AFK, albeit at a reduced efficiency.
Next Whine Thread, please.
Pleeeze
Flying from point A to point B is not "playing" a game.
Microsoft flight simulator crap must not be a game because all you do is fly.. rofl...
And AP in a freighter I do all the time so boo hoo, when I want to go faster I WTZ.
Can I haz your stuffz?
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.11 22:29:00 -
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^I dont play MS Simulator for that very reason.
No one has really answered how having auto-WTZ would take away from the game.
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Daisuke Aoki
Gallente Independent Coalition OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.11 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch ^I dont play MS Simulator for that very reason.
No one has really answered how having auto-WTZ would take away from the game.
It was answered quite a few times: It would remove an element of risk for autopiloting freighters and the like, and remove an opportunity for them to get ganked while AFK-autopiloting with valuable **** in their cargoholds.
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2010.08.11 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mire Stoude on 11/08/2010 23:09:28 This issue would be best resolved by removing the autopilot feature completely. With the added bonus of reducing suicide gank and macro courier whinage.
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.08.12 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
No one has really answered how having auto-WTZ would take away from the game.
It would destroy the regional markets and hauling profession if anyone could macro afk haul large amounts of goods in safety.
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Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.08.12 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
No one has really answered how having auto-WTZ would take away from the game.
You haven't answered how it will be beneficial to the game either. The onus is on you to present evidence if you want a change. And "wahh I don't like it" is not evidence.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.12 05:03:00 -
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I don't mind the risk of AP but I do mind the time it takes.
What if AP wasn't WTZ but for instance warp to say 5km? It would make autopiloting a lot faster but give enough time to be scanned and ganked as sluggy transporters still take a minute to cross that 2,5 km?
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Brainless Bimbo on 12/08/2010 10:05:07
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed trolling comments and replies to the trolling comments.
But the OP is a blatant troll!!!!!
Oh, and OP is obivious meta game Alt "Courier Pilot in training" lolz..
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed trolling comments and replies to the trolling comments.
But the OP is a blatant troll!!!!!
and you're a brainless bimbo.
All you other losers, look up the word troll sometime. It doesn't mean someone who posts questions about EVE in an EVE forum.
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed trolling comments and replies to the trolling comments.
But the OP is a blatant troll!!!!!
and you're a brainless bimbo.
All you other losers, look up the word troll sometime. It doesn't mean someone who posts questions about EVE in an EVE forum.
and ur reply proves troll, really am hom just before downtime, whats the world comming too.
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Aesheera
Amarr Hello Kitty Goes Commando
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch So by this logic all those PI players that are complaining about the "clickfest" are just out of luck because CCP wants you to be at your keyboard for everything...right?
Op, you're a pathetic whiner. Be glad you didnt play when wtz wasn't live yet. When you play a game you're more or less SUPPOSED to be INTERACTING with it. If you want afk gaming, give your account to a friend or family member so they can play it for you.
if you decide to do so, let me know, I'll petition you have you removed from teh game in full. One less whiner for EVE. *
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch All trolling aside, WTZ is a common thing in EVE. I do it all the time and I see lots of other players zipping past me at gates doing the same.
So why does CCP treat this like it's some kind of special gift by not implementing an auto-WTZ?
I mean, sure the gate campers will hate it but seriously...it saves time when traveling.
Where is the challenge in the extra mouse clicks to achieve WTZ? If anything, it's annoying as hell, and what is the point of warping at breakneck speed to a gate only to jump out short of it and slow boat the rest of the way to it? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Yes, yes, I know about the history of bookmarks and how CCP implemented WTZ to get rid of them...but it still doesn't explain why or how it takes from the game not to have an auto-WTZ.
Comments?
So you want warp to 15 and spend some minutes impulsing to the gate or station? No problem, make your 15km bookmarks
<My tools>
CCP Zymurgist > lol thats great Dan O'connor
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: alittlebirdy
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Seith Silverstein I'm sorry that you have to actually sit at the game to play it to maximum efficiency. Maybe you should be thankful that they even *have* a way to play the game AFK, albeit at a reduced efficiency.
Next Whine Thread, please.
Pleeeze
Flying from point A to point B is not "playing" a game.
Microsoft flight simulator crap must not be a game because all you do is fly.. rofl...
The autopilot does everything for you in passenger jets too. Only flown manually if something goes terribly wrong, or the pilots get bored.
What's funny is the human pilots are mostly just there to put the passengers at ease.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:33:00 -
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* Eternum runs into the room, points and laughs at you again.
Ha-ha!
If anything the 15KM autopilot gives you time to sit back and admire the game's beauty. CCP, you did a great job at keep keeping afk traders from tearing up the economy and dominating the market completely. Thanks for 15km AP! Keep up the good work!
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.12 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed trolling comments and replies to the trolling comments.
But the OP is a blatant troll!!!!!
and you're a brainless bimbo.
All you other losers, look up the word troll sometime. It doesn't mean someone who posts questions about EVE in an EVE forum.
Hi Nooma. .
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.08.12 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 12/08/2010 13:41:53
You should be behind your computer to play the game to it's fullest potential, which also allows you to interact with other people at the same time.
Plus, the people who still use autopilot are targets for pirates.
It is an important balance for the above 2 reasons.
A little story : Back in the day when DAoC was still a great game, there used to be a serious grind, to overcome this grind, people teamed up to make the grind go faster. Meanwhile people socialized and great many friendships were made. Then WoW came out, and in WoW, it took alot less time to max out, still groups were made because good rewards came from instances and you couldn't solo instances. After a while the WoW grind was also made easier and now you can solo from zero to max in an eyeblink, you don't need anyone else. Once you arrive at max level you can instantly join groups of strangers to rush thru an instance and then to never meet these people again.
If you like that sort of single player, unsocial, MMO's, then please go play something like that. Leave EVE to the multiplayers that want interaction with other people once in a while.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Max Cetera
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Posted - 2010.08.12 13:48:00 -
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Simple answer :
- You're a capsuleer piloting god. When you're at commands, you can help the navigation computer calculate the exact warp settings needed to land within 0-2500m from a stargate (while initiating the warp from billions Km away) - When you start autopilot, you go take a nap somewhere in your pod and leave the computer without godly capsuleer help. So it warps at ~15km from gate by safety.
On the dev side, they probably didn't touch the autopilot code when they added warp to zero. On the gameplay side, having afk ships slowboating to gates (and needeing up to a few mins for freighters) adds a new dimension to empire game (i.e you're certainly not safe while being afk)
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omgevenmoarfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.08.12 13:50:00 -
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STFU NUBZ EVE IS PERFECT...
****ing trolls...
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez STFU NUBZ EVE IS PERFECT...
****ing trolls...
Another alt, Nooma? .
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:05:00 -
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I don't mind the safety/risk issue but I hate the sluggishness of AP.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring I don't mind the safety/risk issue but I hate the sluggishness of AP.
EXACTLY my point.
I would prefer a system of diminishing returns.
1.0 to 0.9 >warp to 5km 0.8 to 0.7 >warp to 10km 0.6 to 0.0 >warp to 15km
Anything to improve the sluggishness.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:29:00 -
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Locked at OP's request
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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