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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:29:00 -
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And I bid you farewell
And if you have something negative to say to me then **** you.
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Qoi
Exert Force
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:34:00 -
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Can i have your stuff?
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:36:00 -
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I like pie, key lime is my favorite Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:36:00 -
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actually you can
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:39:00 -
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i was gonna give you my stuff but your not on
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:43:00 -
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not gonna work......
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:47:00 -
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Too new to know about contractsà
àso contract all your stuff to me. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Skydell
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:49:00 -
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At the risk of assuming I am guessing you lost a ship you took what seems like a long time and alot of work to get.
Sorry.
No, CCp wont help you get it back. No, they wont pretend like they give a ****. If up to that point you were having fun, take note of the mistake and dont make it again.
Assuming I am right, what did you lose? |
Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:51:00 -
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apparently qoi has something to hide
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Skydell At the risk of assuming I am guessing you lost a ship you took what seems like a long time and alot of work to get.
Sorry.
No, CCp wont help you get it back. No, they wont pretend like they give a ****. If up to that point you were having fun, take note of the mistake and dont make it again.
Assuming I am right, what did you lose?
You assume wrong. This game just isnt made for new players. Thats really all there is to it. If you started from day one your golden otherwis good luck.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:56:00 -
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I assume you speak about the skill system? If so, youre doing it wrong/ dont understand it properly.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.08.14 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina This game just isnt made for new players. Thats really all there is to it. If you started from day one your golden otherwis good luck.
Then how the hell am I playing? 0_o
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina ou assume wrong. This game just isnt made for new players. Thats really all there is to it. If you started from day one your golden otherwis good luck.
Incorrect.
But good troll.
Now, hand over the stuff. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia I assume you speak about the skill system? If so, youre doing it wrong/ dont understand it properly.
I'm doing it wrong? Oh I changed my mind I'm coming back......
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Reldor Silverheart
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:01:00 -
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And me? i'm only 4 months old and this is a MMO i really enjoy. Even if it feels likt i have a hard time to keep up with my corpmates who's got 16+ million SP.
But i still love the game.
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Skydell
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
Originally by: Skydell At the risk of assuming I am guessing you lost a ship you took what seems like a long time and alot of work to get.
Sorry.
No, CCp wont help you get it back. No, they wont pretend like they give a ****. If up to that point you were having fun, take note of the mistake and dont make it again.
Assuming I am right, what did you lose?
You assume wrong. This game just isnt made for new players. Thats really all there is to it. If you started from day one your golden otherwis good luck.
Sorry, you are wrong. You can be in a ceptor in 6 weeks and be able to torment like a pro. My original EvE account is 6 years old. She has no more chance of living through a gank than the 6 week old char. That's not about noob or vet. Every ship in EvE from a Velator to an Erebus was made to pop in 3 minutes or less under focus fire.
Thats just questionable game mechanics.
ps. I dont want your stuff. I also dont concern myself with if you stay or leave. Just understand why you are doing it. I used to be frustrated like you. Now I roll with is and can be as anal as the best of them. Learn to be an ass hole, Harry. |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
Originally by: Skydell At the risk of assuming I am guessing you lost a ship you took what seems like a long time and alot of work to get.
Sorry.
No, CCp wont help you get it back. No, they wont pretend like they give a ****. If up to that point you were having fun, take note of the mistake and dont make it again.
Assuming I am right, what did you lose?
You assume wrong. This game just isnt made for new players. Thats really all there is to it. If you started from day one your golden otherwis good luck.
That's absolutely NOT true, but if that's the way you feel, good luck in your next game. .
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:05:00 -
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Explain what happened to you and a lot of ppl will be able not to give you lesson but explain what u should do, it's an error to leave EVE if it's because your ****ed of because you been ganked / scammed, this game is not for everybody, true but it's not the grief fest many ppl say, some simple easy rules are to be followed and voila
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Snowmann
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
I'm doing it wrong? Oh I changed my mind I'm coming back......
Considering that you spent 3 days average in a player corp with 7 changes in less than 30 days,... You are doing something wrong. I doubt this is CCPs fault.
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Varde Nor
Multistar Mining and Industry
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:11:00 -
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I play around a month now. good ISK, good fun.
No WoW God mode sucks eh? You actually have to do something here to have something! Wow man that's a shocker!
Can I have your stuff now?
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:14:00 -
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if it's because of skill system you wrong for 2 reason 1- what say skidell 2- play your char for a few month or more > do money > buy implant to train faster > make lot of money (slow way is missions, fun for a hundred hour, after it can become boring - fast way in doing trading but it's boring) then in say 6 month of heavy gaming (but not hardcore) let say 2-3 h daily you will have a few billion then you will be able to buy a character that have twice your sp, sell actual char > repeat and in one year you can have a 50m sp char easy BUT u will not do it because within a few month you will realise that your 12m sp char is completly viable in the eve universe
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Snowmann
Originally by: Harry Farina
I'm doing it wrong? Oh I changed my mind I'm coming back......
Considering that you spent 3 days average in a player corp with 7 changes in less than 30 days,... You are doing something wrong. I doubt this is CCPs fault.
Perhaps you should pay more attention to the names of the corps, the time I spent there and maybe acknowledge the possibility I have two accounts.
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Ealthor
Amarr Veyr The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:16:00 -
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Everyone was new once (some of us more than once).
Stop thinking of EVE like other MMOs. There's no 'End Game' to level to, no 'Raid Loot' to grind. The game is what you make it; some people who have been playing for years still spend their time in Frigates. Frigates are not 'noobships' they are Frigates and have a well defined roll in the game. A roll that can be fulfilled by anyone with 2 weeks of experience at their backs but a roll no less important for it.
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:18:00 -
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and remember that for the first years of eve it was less easier than now to start, you had a noob ship and that all, near no tutorial no 5000 isk , no damage control I , no fast learning for the first 1.3m (or something)
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ealthor Everyone was new once (some of us more than once).
Stop thinking of EVE like other MMOs. There's no 'End Game' to level to, no 'Raid Loot' to grind. The game is what you make it; some people who have been playing for years still spend their time in Frigates. Frigates are not 'noobships' they are Frigates and have a well defined roll in the game. A roll that can be fulfilled by anyone with 2 weeks of experience at their backs but a roll no less important for it.
I hear what your saying but I just can't live with it. That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2010 08:21:50
Originally by: Harry Farina Perhaps you should pay more attention to the names of the corps, the time I spent there and maybe acknowledge the possibility I have two accounts.
Does this mean that I get twice the stuff?
Jackpot! Now fork it over.
Quote: That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
This is wrong by the way, and not even for the reason you think it is (or isn't)à ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Snowmann
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
I hear what your saying but I just can't live with it. That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
Biggest clue that you don't know how Eve works.
The more skills you have the lower percentage that will be used at any given time.
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2010 08:21:50
Originally by: Harry Farina Perhaps you should pay more attention to the names of the corps, the time I spent there and maybe acknowledge the possibility I have two accounts.
Does this mean that I get twice the stuff?
Jackpot! Now fork it over.
Quote: That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
This is wrong by the way, and not even for the reason you think it is (or isn't)à
whoever said you get my stuff?
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
Originally by: Snowmann
Originally by: Harry Farina
I'm doing it wrong? Oh I changed my mind I'm coming back......
Considering that you spent 3 days average in a player corp with 7 changes in less than 30 days,... You are doing something wrong. I doubt this is CCPs fault.
Perhaps you should pay more attention to the names of the corps, the time I spent there and maybe acknowledge the possibility I have two accounts.
Achnowledged, yep you are still a dumbass please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina whoever said you get my stuff?
I did. Cough it up and/or stop moaning. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:40:00 -
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The one feature Freelance had that EVE sorely needs is a newbie region. Where you cant get scammed, cant get ganked, cant get arbitrarily poded and you can learn the ropes without the pressures of the "survival of the fittest" learning curve.
This would help quite a bit with new people.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2010 08:43:39
Originally by: Atticus Fynch The one feature Freelance had that EVE sorely needs is a newbie region. Where you cant get scammed, cant get ganked, cant get arbitrarily poded and you can learn the ropes without the pressures of the "survival of the fittest" learning curve.
This would help quite a bit with new people.
Such a place already exists. 12 of them, in fact. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Ioci
Gallente Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:45:00 -
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Cap skills in any given ship is pretty fast actually. Once capped we are all equal.
Think of them in blocks and each block is a seamless respec.
No, you will never have as many seamless respec options as me but any two we share we are dead locked in.
There is another simple reality in EvE.
SP means very little. Bankrupt an enemy and they lose. EvE is ISK. All ISK.
All that said, if you arent having fun, quit. I dont care how much SP you have or the '03 guy or the '08 guy. If I am bored out of my skull I leave EvE. I have done it several times, I will do it again. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci Cap skills in any given ship is pretty fast actually. Once capped we are all equal.
Think of them in blocks and each block is a seamless respec.
No, you will never have as many seamless respec options as me but any two we share we are dead locked in.
There is another simple reality in EvE.
SP means very little. Bankrupt an enemy and they lose. EvE is ISK. All ISK.
All that said, if you arent having fun, quit. I dont care how much SP you have or the '03 guy or the '08 guy. If I am bored out of my skull I leave EvE. I have done it several times, I will do it again.
The sooner you quit the better the eve universe will be. Eve is a team game little newbie. Find a good team and play with them - before you know it you'll be teaching a cute newbie all the ins and outs of the game. Playing eve by yourself as a no nothing new player is terrible.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Serpents smile on 14/08/2010 08:52:03
Originally by: Atticus Fynch The one feature Freelance had that EVE sorely needs is a newbie region. Where you cant get scammed, cant get ganked, cant get arbitrarily poded and you can learn the ropes without the pressures of the "survival of the fittest" learning curve.
This would help quite a bit with new people.
No it won't.
Tossed out into the deep you either learn to swim or drown. A 'safe haven', will even make people more afraid of going out into the area's where 'bad people' roam.
You already have non-wardeccable NP corporations which is bad enough as it is.
To the OP. It's a petty you hang onto the idea of "having to catch up". Which is totally pointless when it comes to EVE.
But whatever, you seem to have made up your mind. All those people who've started before you, years after this game's launch and the thousands of others that will come after you (and stay playing), all must be wrong, and you are right.
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
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Ioci
Gallente Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.08.14 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666
Originally by: Ioci Cap skills in any given ship is pretty fast actually. Once capped we are all equal.
Think of them in blocks and each block is a seamless respec.
No, you will never have as many seamless respec options as me but any two we share we are dead locked in.
There is another simple reality in EvE.
SP means very little. Bankrupt an enemy and they lose. EvE is ISK. All ISK.
All that said, if you arent having fun, quit. I dont care how much SP you have or the '03 guy or the '08 guy. If I am bored out of my skull I leave EvE. I have done it several times, I will do it again.
The sooner you quit the better the eve universe will be. Eve is a team game little newbie. Find a good team and play with them - before you know it you'll be teaching a cute newbie all the ins and outs of the game. Playing eve by yourself as a no nothing new player is terrible.
LOL. Did you misquote?
'05 newb. been in 5 different 0.0 sec alliances.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina I hear what your saying but I just can't live with it. That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
Wait so you want to play a game where you can be better than a person who's played longer than you? Well that's simply impossible! Even if it's not an rpg (so you won't have any skill lag) a person who's played longer than you WILL be better than you. Unless you're some kind of super genius in which case you wouldn't have made such a thread.
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch The one feature Freelance had that EVE sorely needs is a newbie region. Where you cant get scammed, cant get ganked, cant get arbitrarily poded and you can learn the ropes without the pressures of the "survival of the fittest" learning curve.
This would help quite a bit with new people.
Just make it 0.0 sec - baptism of fire is the way to breed new players
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sarton Wells
Originally by: Harry Farina I hear what your saying but I just can't live with it. That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
Wait so you want to play a game where you can be better than a person who's played longer than you? Well that's simply impossible! Even if it's not an rpg (so you won't have any skill lag) a person who's played longer than you WILL be better than you. Unless you're some kind of super genius in which case you wouldn't have made such a thread.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I dont want someone to be better than me because they have sat and trained skills. I know thats not the point your trying to make but you did it anyhow. This game all comes down to sp and I don't want to wait for it. If I lose a fight I want it to be because they were a better player than me not because they had more skillpoints. But thats just not the way it works in this game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina I dont want someone to be better than me because they have sat and trained skills.
Good news! They're not. They just have more SP.
Quote: This game all comes down to sp
Nope.
Quote: If I lose a fight I want it to be because they were a better player than me not because they had more skillpoints. But thats just not the way it works in this game.
Nope.
So, that stuff you were handing outà when does it arrive? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci
Originally by: Jita Alt666
Originally by: Ioci Cap skills in any given ship is pretty fast actually. Once capped we are all equal.
Think of them in blocks and each block is a seamless respec.
No, you will never have as many seamless respec options as me but any two we share we are dead locked in.
There is another simple reality in EvE.
SP means very little. Bankrupt an enemy and they lose. EvE is ISK. All ISK.
All that said, if you arent having fun, quit. I dont care how much SP you have or the '03 guy or the '08 guy. If I am bored out of my skull I leave EvE. I have done it several times, I will do it again.
The sooner you quit the better the eve universe will be. Eve is a team game little newbie. Find a good team and play with them - before you know it you'll be teaching a cute newbie all the ins and outs of the game. Playing eve by yourself as a no nothing new player is terrible.
LOL. Did you misquote?
'05 newb. been in 5 different 0.0 sec alliances.
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The sooner you quit the better the eve universe will be. <- for you. The rest was for the op. Do you check what threads your posting in or just spam steaming piles.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
Originally by: Sarton Wells
Originally by: Harry Farina I hear what your saying but I just can't live with it. That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
Wait so you want to play a game where you can be better than a person who's played longer than you? Well that's simply impossible! Even if it's not an rpg (so you won't have any skill lag) a person who's played longer than you WILL be better than you. Unless you're some kind of super genius in which case you wouldn't have made such a thread.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I dont want someone to be better than me because they have sat and trained skills. I know thats not the point your trying to make but you did it anyhow. This game all comes down to sp and I don't want to wait for it. If I lose a fight I want it to be because they were a better player than me not because they had more skillpoints. But thats just not the way it works in this game.
Well first I think a lot of people explained to you that this is incorrect. With proper skills and fitting you can beat a player with much more sp than you. Unless he has proper skills and fitting as well. Which brings the second point - this is in fact a mmorpg. And as such level/skill points/equipment/whatever play a factor in it. If you don't like this than you shouldn't play rpgs at all.
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Snowmann
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I dont want someone to be better than me because they have sat and trained skills. I know thats not the point your trying to make but you did it anyhow. This game all comes down to sp and I don't want to wait for it. If I lose a fight I want it to be because they were a better player than me not because they had more skillpoints. But thats just not the way it works in this game.
Sounds like you would like a FPS more.
So, how is this game design aspect related to CCP not caring about new players? By not telling them they probably wouldn't like the game in the first place? Since the new player didn't do any initial research on their own to what type of game it is? And compare it to what type of game they like?
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Harry Farina I dont want someone to be better than me because they have sat and trained skills.
Good news! They're not. They just have more SP.
Quote: This game all comes down to sp
Nope.
Quote: If I lose a fight I want it to be because they were a better player than me not because they had more skillpoints. But thats just not the way it works in this game.
Nope.
So, that stuff you were handing outà when does it arrive?
Ok so start a new toon and lets test this out. I only have 1800000 sp so your experience should win easily. As far as my stuff it's already been handed out. A drake and a raven just so you know.
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Skydell
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
Originally by: Sarton Wells
Originally by: Harry Farina I hear what your saying but I just can't live with it. That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
Wait so you want to play a game where you can be better than a person who's played longer than you? Well that's simply impossible! Even if it's not an rpg (so you won't have any skill lag) a person who's played longer than you WILL be better than you. Unless you're some kind of super genius in which case you wouldn't have made such a thread.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I dont want someone to be better than me because they have sat and trained skills. I know thats not the point your trying to make but you did it anyhow. This game all comes down to sp and I don't want to wait for it. If I lose a fight I want it to be because they were a better player than me not because they had more skillpoints. But thats just not the way it works in this game.
Nope.
At the risk of sounding humble there is a good chance you would beat me in alot of fights.
Yes I have I suspect 50X more SP than you but 1.2 mill in Empire control 5, 3.5 mill in Cap ship construction 5, I could go on. They arent going to do me much good ina 1 vs 1 with you. |
Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:18:00 -
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oh and 400 million isk handed out
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Daisuke Aoki
Gallente Independent Coalition OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Daisuke Aoki on 14/08/2010 09:20:41 This game doesn't come down to SP. It takes relatively short amounts of time to specialize into a niche - nobody does everything. You can be a tackler in a frigate essentially from day one, and get into an interceptor in a matter of weeks, or train for a BS and have a decent fit in a few months. Beyond that, anything else is irrelevant, as even if they have more SP, it may be in something completely different than what you'd even want to do, or in something irrelevant to PvP.
And, that's not even mentioning actual player skill, with regard to tactics and manual piloting and fittings. That's stuff that can't be AFK-trained, that you either know well or you don't, and if a new player is determined to learn the ropes, they can put a beating on some older players quite easily.
The idea that older players have a definite advantage over younger ones because they have more SP and more time to have trained skills is simply *wrong*.
(I joined January '10, btw. I don't feel disadvantaged at all to anyone.)
Edit: This isn't to say that you won't lose alot of ships as a newbie. You will. You'll lose alot of ships as a more seasoned player if you hang around, too, although you'll learn from mistakes and know how to get out of a bad situation or what you could have done better in a particular engagement.
Skills trained is a relatively minor part of PvPing.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:19:00 -
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Agreed that the game isn't really newbie friendly.
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Skydell
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina oh and 400 million isk handed out
Give Star Trek Online a shot.
If you prefer PvP, try Pirates of the Burning Sea. Populations are low but it can be fun.
Keep your account info. You might decide to come back. GL in the future. |
Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Agreed that the game isn't really newbie friendly.
I don't agree at all. There's plenty of resources you can read on about every single aspect of the game. If by newbie friendly you mean "easy for lazy people who don't like to read" than yes, it's not. But for the couple months I've been playing I never really felt any problems with learning the game mechanics. It just takes some reading and searching.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:26:00 -
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The game is 10x more newbie friendly than when i started. Personally I gained a high level of satisfaction from mastering new skills. The sense that there were so many levels that I did not not understand was at times overwhelming, however thats one of the things that makes eve, eve. Dumbing the game down may increase revenue by invloving new players - but those new players will be incabable of defending themselves against the meta gaming attributes of old hands.
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Snowmann
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Daisuke Aoki
(I joined January '10, btw. I don't feel disadvantaged at all to anyone.)
Some players just have ingrained preconceptions that they cannot get rid of and no amount of rationalization or advice from older players will help.
They try to force models of other games they have played onto this one and are unable to adapt to the new environment. It's a hopeless cause really.
Then they like to make rage-quit posts and try to make others feel like the game is at fault, not their lack of flexibility.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina Ok so start a new toon and lets test this out. I only have 1800000 sp so your experience should win easily.
It will.
It's just that you have two HUGE faults in your thinking.
You're thinking "total SP" which is an absolutely irrelevant number. You're using "experience" as if it was something generic and all-encompassing, which is not how EVE works.
You don't have 1.8M SP ù or rather, the fact that you have 1,8M SP has nothing to do with the problem at hand. What you do have is a bunch of skills. Are they relevant to the test at hand? Is my experience relevant to the test at hand? What is it you want to compare, and against what?
Your problem isn't your lack of SP; it's your lack of understanding what this number tells you (i.e. nothing) and with this comes a lack of some fundamental game limitations. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:28:00 -
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Daisuke all I can say is I have been training frigate skills since I started him. But someone else thats been training frigate skills for two months has an advantage regardless of skill. There isn't much skill involved in this game. The biggest skill is your fitting and anyone can look on battleclinic and find a good one. It all comes down to skillpoints.
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Harry Farina Ok so start a new toon and lets test this out. I only have 1800000 sp so your experience should win easily.
It will.
It's just that you have two HUGE faults in your thinking.
You're thinking "total SP" which is an absolutely irrelevant number. You're using "experience" as if it was something generic and all-encompassing, which is not how EVE works.
You don't have 1.8M SP ù or rather, the fact that you have 1,8M SP has nothing to do with the problem at hand. What you do have is a bunch of skills. Are they relevant to the test at hand? Is my experience relevant to the test at hand? What is it you want to compare, and against what?
Your problem isn't your lack of SP; it's your lack of understanding what this number tells you (i.e. nothing) and with this comes a lack of some fundamental game limitations.
Do it so I can prove to you your experience won't beat my rifter. I'll meet you in Jita.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2010 09:32:40
Originally by: Harry Farina But someone else thats been training frigate skills for two months has an advantage regardless of skill.
No. Someone who's been training frigates for two months dies instantly to someone who's been clever, trained a frigate counter, and comes along with a bunch of HP and an anti-frig weapon system.
Quote: There isn't much skill involved in this game. The biggest skill is your fitting and anyone can look on battleclinic and find a good one.
Funnily enough, this is probably the best way to get killed without knowing what happened and whyà
àjust look at the poor saps who buy high-SP characters and who quit one month later after having been turned into lolmails for the last 30 days.
Quote: Do it so I can prove to you your experience won't beat my rifter. I'll meet you in Jita.
I repeat: you don't have 1.8M SP ù or rather, the fact that you have 1,8M SP has nothing to do with the problem at hand. What you do have is a bunch of skills. Are they relevant to the test at hand? Is my experience relevant to the test at hand? What is it you want to compare, and against what? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2010 09:32:40
Originally by: Harry Farina But someone else thats been training frigate skills for two months has an advantage regardless of skill.
No. Someone who's been training frigates for two months dies instantly to someone who's been clever, trained a frigate counter, and comes along with a bunch of HP and an anti-frig weapon system.
Quote: There isn't much skill involved in this game. The biggest skill is your fitting and anyone can look on battleclinic and find a good one.
Funnily enough, this is probably the best way to get killed without knowing what happened and whyà
àjust look at the poor saps who buy high-SP characters and who quit one month later after having been turned into lolmails for the last 30 days.
Quote: Do it so I can prove to you your experience won't beat my rifter. I'll meet you in Jita.
I repeat: you don't have 1.8M SP ù or rather, the fact that you have 1,8M SP has nothing to do with the problem at hand. What you do have is a bunch of skills. Are they relevant to the test at hand? Is my experience relevant to the test at hand? What is it you want to compare, and against what?
Qoute the whole phrase or dont quote. Your just trying to make yourself feel intelligent.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia *snip*
You may have convinced yourself but you definitely haven't convinced me with your arguments.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2010 09:41:26
Originally by: Harry Farina Qoute the whole phrase or dont quote.
I did. So, you're not going to answer the questions, I take it?
I can only hope that it's because you understand where that argument is going, and it's not the way you want it to goà
Originally by: Jennifer Fenring You may have convinced yourself but you definitely haven't convinced me with your arguments.
That's because, based on the last time we went down this road, you apparently didn't want to consider what lvl IV:s did, and how little you gained by going for lvl Và ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sarton Wells on 14/08/2010 09:39:55 Look you're still missing the point. There is a set amount of skills for every ship class you can learn. It takes you like 4-5 months to train flying in a interceptor with the recommended skills. Everything you learn after that is pretty much irrelevant in 1:1 combat. Also you won't get much fair fights in eve. You'll be either jumping on a player or he'll be jumping on you. How you react to that is much more important than any skill difference you might have.
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:39:00 -
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quote]I repeat: you don't have 1.8M SP ù or rather, the fact that you have 1,8M SP has nothing to do with the problem at hand. What you do have is a bunch of skills. Are they relevant to the test at hand? Is my experience relevant to the test at hand? What is it you want to compare, and against what?
come to jita with your fresh toon and beat me with experience then.
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Snowmann
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
Qoute the whole phrase or dont quote. Your just trying to make yourself feel intelligent.
It seems that you are upset and are unwilling to see more experienced players point of view.
You will never win an argument on the forums until you have more experience in the game.
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:41:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Snowmann
Originally by: Harry Farina
Qoute the whole phrase or dont quote. Your just trying to make yourself feel intelligent.
It seems that you are upset and are unwilling to see more experienced players point of view.
You will never win an argument on the forums until you have more experience in the game.
Tippia can start a new toon and I'll fight him/her in my rifter. We'll see how far experience goes.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina come to jita with your fresh toon and beat me with experience then.
Ok. The test is: who can get to 100Mil ISK first. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Snowmann
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
Tippia can start a new toon and I'll fight him/her in my rifter. We'll see how far experience goes.
Not worth their time, to try to help a new player that already doesn't listen.
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:44:00 -
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Backing out of the real test are you.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sarton Wells on 14/08/2010 09:45:12 Ok why don't you check this video - two days old toons doing pvp
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia the last time we went down this road, you apparently didn't want to consider what lvl IV's did, and how little you gained by going for lvl Và
If that's all you remembered, sure go ahead.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2010 09:47:22
Originally by: Harry Farina Backing out of the real test are you.
No. You wanted to test your SP against my experience. You didn't want to answer the questions I asked, so I couldn't provide a test that was more fair and had to figure one where my experience matters.
You see, you're still missing the key point of contextuality and relevanceà
Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Originally by: Tippia the last time we went down this road, you apparently didn't want to consider what lvl IV's did, and how little you gained by going for lvl Và
If that's all you remembered, sure go ahead.
You never answered. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:46:00 -
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What are you doing to Pedi? Your not helping him. Your crippling him for life. Do you think real world out there is gonna lift a finger to help a young black man? Your crippling them.
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Snowmann
Originally by: Harry Farina
Tippia can start a new toon and I'll fight him/her in my rifter. We'll see how far experience goes.
Not worth their time, to try to help a new player that already doesn't listen.
Should be easy enough and if I lose I'm proven wrong.
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Snowmann
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Snowmann on 14/08/2010 09:49:29 nm
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:50:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Harry Farina Daisuke all I can say is I have been training frigate skills since I started him. But someone else thats been training frigate skills for two months has an advantage regardless of skill. There isn't much skill involved in this game. The biggest skill is your fitting and anyone can look on battleclinic and find a good one. It all comes down to skillpoints.
It just SEEMS that way at the start.
But each ship only has a limited number of skills that could possibly affect it, and each of those skills are capped at L5. Not just that, but at L4 (which takes just 20% of the time it takes to train L5) you get 80% of the efficiency (on average), so you get very close to the best you could possibly be in a very short amount of time.
On top of it all, extra ships almost always beat extra skillpoints. Imagine a fleet with 30 people that only have L4 skills (plus some prerequisites at L5) fighting against a fleet of 10 people that have all L5 skills. The 30 will usually completely wipe the floor with the 10, even if total SP is STILL higher for those 10 others.
All in all, that means new players DO have quite a few chances to fare well... it just won't be overnight. Oh, and older players (with huge SP totals) have another big DISadvantage : their medical clones cost a TRUCKLOAD of ISK more than newbie clones, so even if they PvP in a former jumpclone with no implants and in cheap-ass ships, they still stand to lose quite a lot of ISK if they want to keep all their SP. A newer player with heavily focused SP has no such problems - the clone cost is negligible.
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Harry Farina
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Posted - 2010.08.14 09:57:00 -
[74]
whatever i'm done and i'm out
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Harry Farina Daisuke all I can say is I have been training frigate skills since I started him. But someone else thats been training frigate skills for two months has an advantage regardless of skill. There isn't much skill involved in this game. The biggest skill is your fitting and anyone can look on battleclinic and find a good one. It all comes down to skillpoints.
It just SEEMS that way at the start.
But each ship only has a limited number of skills that could possibly affect it, and each of those skills are capped at L5. Not just that, but at L4 (which takes just 20% of the time it takes to train L5) you get 80% of the efficiency (on average), so you get very close to the best you could possibly be in a very short amount of time.
On top of it all, extra ships almost always beat extra skillpoints. Imagine a fleet with 30 people that only have L4 skills (plus some prerequisites at L5) fighting against a fleet of 10 people that have all L5 skills. The 30 will usually completely wipe the floor with the 10, even if total SP is STILL higher for those 10 others.
All in all, that means new players DO have quite a few chances to fare well... it just won't be overnight. Oh, and older players (with huge SP totals) have another big DISadvantage : their medical clones cost a TRUCKLOAD of ISK more than newbie clones, so even if they PvP in a former jumpclone with no implants and in cheap-ass ships, they still stand to lose quite a lot of ISK if they want to keep all their SP. A newer player with heavily focused SP has no such problems - the clone cost is negligible.
The point about older players using clones is an important sp neutraliser. On my main each time Im podded it costs me 13mil to get my clone in order. If im in a small gang hurricane with 2-3 others and a group of 20 new guys in frigates jump the gate - I'll be able to kill 6-8 of them but if they focus fire on me, my individual lose will be higher than their combined. If they hold the field and loot the wrecks they will profit from the fight.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.14 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 14/08/2010 10:06:12
Originally by: Harry Farina whatever i'm done and i'm out
Good riddance then. In the long run whiny crybabies hurt the game more than the extra sub money could ever help.
ALL OF US WERE NEWBIES ONCE TOO, but we stuck around... and older players quit all the time, or sell their characters for ISK. IF YOU CARE ABOUT SP SO MUCH WHY DON'T YOU JUST BUY A HIGH-SP CHARACTER ?!? I'll tell you what will happen then - a gang of relatively fresh pilots will just whoop your ass anyway, and then you'll cry THAT is unfair somehow.
P.S. And if you would choose to just cry that new players have no chance to make ISK, I would have no choice but to go /facepalm.
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Proclus Diadochu
Varion Galactic OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.14 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina
Originally by: Sarton Wells
Originally by: Harry Farina I hear what your saying but I just can't live with it. That guy thats been playing longer than me will still be better than me simply because of time. Thats the biggest reason I'm done, I can't ever catch up.
Wait so you want to play a game where you can be better than a person who's played longer than you? Well that's simply impossible! Even if it's not an rpg (so you won't have any skill lag) a person who's played longer than you WILL be better than you. Unless you're some kind of super genius in which case you wouldn't have made such a thread.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I dont want someone to be better than me because they have sat and trained skills. I know thats not the point your trying to make but you did it anyhow. This game all comes down to sp and I don't want to wait for it. If I lose a fight I want it to be because they were a better player than me not because they had more skillpoints. But thats just not the way it works in this game.
Harry,
When I first began EvE in 2007, I believed the same thing at first. I couldn't understand how it would be possible to offset the skill point hierarchy. After I began PvP, I learned that skills come into play, but more importantly, fleet composition, ship setup, PvP practice, and tactics make or break the fight. I have seen a pair of 6 month old drake pilots with a ceptor take down a 4 year old geddon pilot. Granted if the geddon pilot was an experienced PvP pilot, or his setup was poor, but the point was that he lost to three players that would have been coined as "newbs".
My recommendation would be for you to find a decent highsec, faction warfare, lowsec pirating, 0.0 corp or alliance and get in some fleets. Whether you are NC, SC, Chribba's Alliance, small corp to larger corps; EvE offers a way for you to get in on the action. The key for you is to find a core group of guys and get the hang of PvP, then after a while go solo some people. Lose some ships and practice, then after a while you'll get the hang of something that works for you. You have options.
Regard/
Proclus Diadochu RUKE Coordinator Varion Galactic OWN Alliance, NC
EDIT: All else fails, blob warfare works...
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 10:15:00 -
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Signing your posts. Way to Go!
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Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.14 10:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Harry Farina whatever i'm done and i'm out
Oh noes please come back.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 10:20:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Harry Farina
Originally by: Skydell At the risk of assuming I am guessing you lost a ship you took what seems like a long time and alot of work to get.
Sorry.
No, CCp wont help you get it back. No, they wont pretend like they give a ****. If up to that point you were having fun, take note of the mistake and dont make it again.
Assuming I am right, what did you lose?
You assume wrong. This game just isnt made for new players. Thats really all there is to it. If you started from day one your golden otherwis good luck.
I started 3.5 years after day one. I've done OK. What's your excuse?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.14 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Farina whatever i'm done and i'm out
Quiters never Win and Winners Never Quit.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:02:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Harry Farina And I bid you farewell
And if you have something negative to say to me then **** you.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 14/08/2010 11:26:28 ------------ The fact that a group of younger players can beat an old one, that you can specialize against certain challenges and that a lot of you didn't quit doesn't mean the game is "newbie friendly".
Things like the very limited tutorials that don't prepare you for learning skills, highsec wardeccing, canflipping, standings loss that cause KOS in other highsec areas (to name a few) aren't what I'd call things that will get EVE the "newb friendly game of the year award" and I can imagine that the drawbacks that those issues can bring can severely discourage people.
Fortunately I'm quite a forum dweller and wiki reader so I hardly ever encountered problems in those areas but I can imagine it can be very tough for people who invest less time in the game and expect just playing the game should be enough to get through in a relatively unscratched way.
Perhaps it¦s because it¦s my job to facilitate processes so things are as transparent and user friendly as possible without unneccessary nonsense but imo EVE definitely isn't very newb friendly.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Things like the very limited tutorials that don't prepare you for learning skills, highsec wardeccing, canflipping, standings loss that cause KOS in other highsec areas (to name a few) aren't what I'd call things that will get EVE the "newb friendly game of the year award" and I can imagine that the drawbacks that those issues can bring can severely discourage people.
Then why didn't I as a new player have no problems with these things? It's because like you I read the forums and wiki. And anyone can do it as well. Whether all of this info was added through in-game tutorials it wouldn't change much. If a player doesn't want to read a lot he won't succeed in this game.
Have you been to the rookie channels recently? Even those simple tutorials are too much for many players. They can't finish even those without asking for help. That's not because the tutorials are tough. They just don't bother reading them. So how can you expect them to read even more complex strategies if they were presented as tutorials?
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Angry Defiler
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:42:00 -
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Hi Harry,
I'm not sure if you're genuinely disappointed by the fact that veterans will always have more SP than you or if you're simply trolling.
But I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt to clarify that the skill system is NOT designed to accommodate older players. They don't always have the edge over you. The only edge veterans have over you is they can specialize in various aspects of the game with a single character.
That isn't to say you still need to spend a little time training the basic stuff like learning skills, fitting skills and all that, but eventually with specialized training you can catch up to an older player no problem. Sure, the older player can PVP, mine, invent, and do all these crazy things on a single character - but what edge does he have over you at any single of these things? Nothing a little specialized training can't catch up to.
Good luck, and I sincerely hope something like the training system doesn't deter you from the game.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring The fact that a group of younger players can beat an old one, that you can specialize against certain challenges and that a lot of you didn't quit doesn't mean the game is "newbie friendly".
There's a HUGE difference between "not newbie friendly", "hard learning curve" and "new people don't stand a chance, CCP hates new people".
First off, the game is not friendly, period. Not to newbies, not to vets, not to ANYBODY.
Second, it takes more time to properly learn enough stuff yourself (the player controlling the pilot) as opposed to just having your pilot avatar get the necessary SP to use something to full extent. There can be no question that given an identical character and identical funding, a relatively new EVE player will get obliterated by a seasoned EVE veteran.
Finally, over the years, CCP has constantly improved the "new player experience" and made it easier and easier for newer pilots to get ahead, BOTH in adding new tutorials, career agents and even a gorram wiki AND actually making the early game easier on a regular basis, be it directly or indirectly (latest noteworthy changes with those effects - sized rigs, the attribute remap system, the double-speed-bonus-below-1.6milSP, to name just a few).
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Cyber Duck
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:48:00 -
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09 player checking in...
THERE'S AN '03 PLAYER In SySTEM! CRAP! GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE! anyone older than 4 years on this game is:
INDESTRUCTIBLE!
they can out tank, out dps, out buy, out fly, EVERYONE IN THE GAME THAT'S YOUNGER THAN THEM!
no matter WHAT fitting they have.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:48:00 -
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Oh and btw adding tutorials that cover more aspects of the eve gameplay will be of course a good thing and I hope CCP does it. I very much doubt however that there is any way (short of dumbing the entire gameplay down) of making the game more "newb friendly".
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ressiv on 14/08/2010 11:56:54
Originally by: Harry Farina
You assume wrong. This game just isnt made for new players. Thats really all there is to it. If you started from day one your golden otherwis good luck.
I would grant you that the first 2 months kinda suck for new players, having to train the learning skills to not offset your training past the training bonus.
Other then that, you are soooooo wrong! This game is not about leveling. It's about skill. Not the ones you select and wait for, the ones involving your grey matter.
In this game, the battle is lost or won, before you undock. Knowing what to fly, when to fly it, how to fly it and where to fly it is equaly if not more important then having the eve-skills to fly it.
And yes, EVE is not kind to people not investing in learning how the game works. Thats why we like it... people that are good in EVE, realy ARE good and that has NOTHING to do with total SP.
Save some ISK, join Agony Unleashed PVP classes and experience what I mean.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.08.14 12:35:00 -
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Posting to confirm I didn't start at the beginning or anywhere near it and while not 'golden' I'm doing fine and or well depending on your definitions of said words.
New players are valued by CCP but only for a short time, the worse part is that older players the 'golden' ones and any silver/bronze are valued even less by CCP. -------------------------------------------------------------- The 5 minute forum time delay was a crime against humanity that CCP took forever to address. |
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SeldonCrisis
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Posted - 2010.08.14 14:15:00 -
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Tippia I wouldn't bother, he's either a troll or an attention *****, either way good riddance
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Lex Alandar
Q Division 5
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Posted - 2010.08.14 14:39:00 -
[92]
THAT'S IT I QUIT THIS GAME!!!@!!!!11
I've been playing for 2 and a half years, and some stupid newbie like Harry Farina comes along AND WITHIN MONTHS HE IS BETTER THAN ME AT FLYING CALDARI SHIPS!!!!11111
Why should I have to put training time into being good at Caldari!!!?!?! I already paid and trained for years, but he has the advantage, I will never be better than him in Caldari.
This is wrong and extremely unfair....there's no way a new player should have this kind of advantage over someone who has played the game for YEARS.
I will be petitioning CCP with a threat to quit unless they give me free SP to spend on stupid shields and missiles.
</obvious sarcasm>
NOW...
Let me tell you a story about relative SP vs. relative game knowledge.
I was on a fresh alt, barely finished the newbie missions. I could fit t2 small armor reps (wooT!) and everything else was t1. My rifter and fittings were all paid for from the starter missions. I decided to take it for a spin out to lowsec. On my last jump out of lowsec (on a hisec gate) I found a thorax and harbinger, so I settled into a nice friendly orbit.
After a few minutes I was getting bored, but they finally got the balls to engage when their friend in a drake showed up and started shooting me. Well this was just what I was waiting for. The sentries had already been firing on the drake for about 20 seconds, and the thorax had just lit me up, while the harb hadn't engaged yet. I tore into the thorax just as the sentry guns switched targets, and he was down before his friends really knew what was going on. At that point I was so ecstatic, I didn't pay attention to getting out, and even screwed up on warping my pod out (clicked that damn view planet button by accident). The harb managed to volley me as my transversal dropped and that was that.
Did I lose my ship? Most definitely. Did I gain anything? Other than a short burst of adrenaline, no. Did I win in a situation where ingame knowledge and skill COMPLETELY trumped SP? Abso-****ing-lutely.
I could train for a million years, all I would have is a million different options. But I can only fly one ship at once. You train for 6-8 months and you can be as good (skill-wise) in just about any single ship I fly.
So get your head out of your ass already....if you suck, it's not because of SP.
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Draconyx
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Posted - 2010.08.14 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sarton Wells
Then why didn't I as a new player have no problems with these things? It's because like you I read the forums and wiki. And anyone can do it as well. Whether all of this info was added through in-game tutorials it wouldn't change much. If a player doesn't want to read a lot he won't succeed in this game.
Have you been to the rookie channels recently? Even those simple tutorials are too much for many players. They can't finish even those without asking for help. That's not because the tutorials are tough. They just don't bother reading them. So how can you expect them to read even more complex strategies if they were presented as tutorials?
Sadly this is the sign of what new players are like these days. The tutorials have improved over the years, it is a lot easier to get into EvE then it was at one time. If people can't be bothered then the game isn't for them.
And as far as SP, well it is better then grinding and it also limits what you can do which is good. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose is the golden rule in this game. If everyone could fly a T2 or faction ship from day one we would have a lot more rage quitters. You are supposed to fly t1 in combat the first time because you are going to lose it and have to replace it.
The more SP you have the quicker you burn ISK.
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CCP Zymurgist
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Posted - 2010.08.14 14:58:00 -
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Thread locked for ranting and trolling.
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