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KiLLeR21
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.14 21:51:00 -
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Hi,
I'm not going to hide it, this is going to be a rant. The loot stealing seems to be a rampant fashion right now. The moment I start a mission and kill some rats, I have more buzzing flies on my wrecks than a pile of poop on a hot summer day. Especially in Motsu. Now to be clear: If I don't want the wreck, I abandon it. Simple. That's what the function is for. To sum it up: Ninja salvaging is stealing and should be flagged as such. Ninja looting already is completely stealing and should incur security status loss. I mean, 90% of the time you can't even shoot the thief because you must assume he has pvp-fitted pvp-trained friends in the vicinity - that's the nature of the game. Most things that yield a profit (apart from veldspar mining in highsec, maybe..) have a risk attached. Yet ninja salvaging has none, ninja looting just barely tries to. My proposed solution for deadspace missions: lock the gate for everyone but me and my fleet. Once I abandon the wrecks and complete the mission, thus dissipating the deadspace gates, it's free for all to take. Non-deadspace, see above. Stealing is, well, stealing..
Grumble. Annoyed right now.
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Triskie
Caldari Dead Cat Explorations
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Posted - 2010.08.14 21:54:00 -
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Oh boy, here we go again lol
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TekRa
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.14 22:01:00 -
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mission elsewhere? I hardly ever have ninja-salvager or looters in my missions. You're most likely in a drake with a sig the size of a small moon, too.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.14 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: KiLLeR21 Especially in Motsu.
Found your problem.
Quote: Now to be clear: If I don't want the wreck, I abandon it. Simple. That's what the function is for.
The whole point of stealing is that they don't careà or that they want to loot your shipwreck.
Quote: To sum it up: Ninja salvaging is stealing
To sum it up: no.
Quote: Ninja looting already is completely stealing and should incur security status loss.
Why?
Quote: My proposed solution for deadspace missions: lock the gate for everyone but me and my fleet.
Horrible horrible idea. You want to create safe space. Won't happen. If you want to be safe, don't undockà in fact, don't log in (since the bad guys can get you even when you're in station). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.08.14 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: KiLLeR21 Especially in Motsu.
Found your problem.
Quote: Now to be clear: If I don't want the wreck, I abandon it. Simple. That's what the function is for.
The whole point of stealing is that they don't careà or that they want to loot your shipwreck.
Quote: To sum it up: Ninja salvaging is stealing
To sum it up: no.
Quote: Ninja looting already is completely stealing and should incur security status loss.
Why?
Quote: My proposed solution for deadspace missions: lock the gate for everyone but me and my fleet.
Horrible horrible idea. You want to create safe space. Won't happen. If you want to be safe, don't undockà in fact, don't log in (since the bad guys can get you even when you're in station).
Amazing, starts off being ok and helpful and then turns into a total ass troll. It seems this happens most of the time.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.08.14 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Amazing, starts off being ok and helpful and then turns into a total ass troll. It seems this happens most of the time.
The point being made is that PvP can happen anywhere in Eve, and it's by design. Asking for a game mechanic that makes you 100% safe is a waste of time.
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Denidil
Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn
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Posted - 2010.08.15 00:09:00 -
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fit a pvp ship with an active tank.. start the mission. blow up the thieves
then move to a new missioning system.
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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.15 00:10:00 -
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7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt.. ...
Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.08.15 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Frozean 7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt.. ...
Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!
Didn't someone tell you you are wrong already? ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real! |
Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.15 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Frozean 7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
8. Minerals that you mine are free 9. Highsec will protect you from pvp
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Elijah Mohammed
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.08.15 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Noun Verber
Originally by: Frozean 7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
8. Minerals that you mine are free 9. Highsec will protect you from pvp
10.don't petition your loss due to bugs or anything else. THE LOGS NEVER SHOW ANYTHING.
"THE DUTY OF THE CIVILIZED MAN IS TO TEACH AND TRAIN THE UNCIVILIZED"
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knentil
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Posted - 2010.08.15 08:15:00 -
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I am actually quite disapointed in ninja's as of late.
I wish I would get more to spice it up.
Heck, I may even pretend that I care about the wrecks just to attract some freaking attention!!
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.08.15 08:23:00 -
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Never had a loot ninja in 4 1/2 years. Must be doing something wrong.
Perhaps they should buff loot thievery so they have a reason to come find me and take my stuff
And that, in a nutshell, is my sig.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.08.15 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: KiLLeR21
ninja salvaging
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.15 19:21:00 -
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Ninja salvaging is INTENTIONALLY not stealing!
Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
Per CCP Incognito : Originally by: CCP Incognito Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.16 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Frozean 7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt.. ...
Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!
The sad thing is that there are actually people who believe this.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.16 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Frozean 7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt.. ...
Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!
The sad thing is that there are actually people who believe this.
yup... I don't know what is worse. The morons posting such absolute *******s or the fools that believe it.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.16 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: KiLLeR21
My proposed solution for deadspace missions: lock the gate for everyone but me and my fleet. Once I abandon the wrecks and complete the mission, thus dissipating the deadspace gates, it's free for all to take. Non-deadspace, see above. Stealing is, well, stealing..
Did you even give a moments thought as to how this would effect the game as a whole rather than your own selfish demands to have salvage protected for you only.
What you want will produce this -
Lowsec and 0.0 missioning = ultra safe appart from station games. Safespots for anyone in any system they can get a miaaion in. Wardecs pointless (even miners could mine in mission space)
Just because you dont want to make the effort to collect salvage before someone else does.
------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Sendraks
The Spice Weasels Must Flow
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Posted - 2010.08.16 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: KiLLeR21 I'm not going to hide it, this is going to be a rant.
It's not a very good rant though. You don't come across as nearly hysterical enough. But some of your ideas are sufficiently poorly thought through that this is worthy of a rant.
Originally by: KiLLeR21 The loot stealing seems to be a rampant fashion right now.
This implies that at some point, since the introduction of the new scanner and the ability to probe people in mission DS, that this hasn't been in fashion.
Originally by: KiLLeR21 The moment I start a mission and kill some rats, I have more buzzing flies on my wrecks than a pile of poop on a hot summer day. Especially in Motsu.
You know something. I've never seen one of these mission loot stealing/salvaging types. How many legs have they got?
This could be because I don't do missions in Motsu, Dodixie, Oursalaert or any other busy system where in order to find a mission DS you just have to throw out a probe and pick the best out of the oodles of results you get. It really is amazing how few (read: none) salvagers you see in systems where probing out a mission DS actually requires a modi****of effort.
But then, why would any self respecting salvaging with a careful eye on their isk/hour bother to go to a quieter system when they can shoot fish in a barrel in Motsu?
Ah what the hell do I care? The more of you idiots crammed into Motsu, the quieter my mission running space remains. Happy days.
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SwissChris1
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Posted - 2010.08.16 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: SwissChris1 on 16/08/2010 12:45:06 disregard this message....I just ranted on how Frozean was an idiot for posting his "golden rules"...
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2010.08.16 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Frozean 7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt.. ...
Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!
The sad thing is that there are actually people who believe this.
And the fun one is, when they eventually think they are ready because they have enough SPs and test the waters they get their ass handed to them my people with a quarter of their sp but actual player skill and experience...
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Spineker
Caldari Chain of Dogs
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Posted - 2010.08.17 04:16:00 -
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I just blow everything up the second some asshat warps in. Of course in a nighthawk I can tank just about any of it and go to bed so detargeting rats and targeting wrecks is no issue. I especially like blowing up wrecks as they are pulling them in and then I laugh at them. I rather it all go up in smoke than have some idjit take the stuff. Oh they will get a few things here and there but the time to find me warp to me and target stuff isnt worth shield booster and couple of guns and my endless laughing since I go for fast kills and move on anyway unless the wrecks are in 25Km range I leave them. But sometimes I blow it all up anyway because generally I dont like people getting anything off me.
I have had 2 people ask me if they could salvage my kills when it was obvious I was running missions and they made millons I am sure. Not being an asshat can go a long way even with me.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.08.17 12:36:00 -
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make cap stable (dominix) anything actually. get recon 3/3 warp to it and engage lars leave it for a night. feel better.
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Evil Stare
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Frozean 7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt.. ...
Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!
Please stop posting as you sound daft.
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh make cap stable (dominix) anything actually. get recon 3/3 warp to it and engage lars leave it for a night. feel better.
come back the next day in a virgin clone.
it would only take a few shuttles to overload even a domi's tank against recon 3/3. and i'd gladly take the sec hit and pod the guy just to be a jerk on top of it all. ♥
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
come back the next day in a virgin clone.
it would only take a few shuttles to overload even a domi's tank against recon 3/3. and i'd gladly take the sec hit and pod the guy just to be a jerk on top of it all.
Little bird told me that's its pretty easy to watch for certain sample played on the sound card and automatically power off the computer if such sample is played. really doubt powering off your computer breaks eula.
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Roboplegic
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Stare
Originally by: Frozean 7 Golden Rules of EVE
Never LOOT yellows Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt.. ...
Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!
Please stop posting as you sound daft.
Frozaen always sounds daft
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sizzlore
Gallente New Eden Regimental Navy Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2010.08.18 00:03:00 -
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get a tengu most ninjas wont bother trying to scan you if there are 100 ravens out doing missions.
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Spineker
Caldari Chain of Dogs
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Posted - 2010.08.18 00:48:00 -
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How is Tengu for speed killing? I haven't actually bothered with them yet a bit pricey I always think for cruiser class ship put people seem to love them.
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Ruzzi
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Posted - 2010.08.18 01:02:00 -
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thanks for the heads up...On route to Motsu
FYI: I will be the asshat pilot of the rifter stealing your loot
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