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Jonzun Crew
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Posted - 2010.08.20 17:54:00 -
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I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before). As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now). I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation? I also don't plan of filing a petition. Eve is my 2nd MMO and so my experience is limited.
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King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.08.20 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jonzun Crew I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before). As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now). I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation? I also don't plan of filing a petition. Eve is my 2nd MMO and so my experience is limited.
They do exist. -
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Thoraxe Rig
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:05:00 -
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Racist bastards exist in every game, It bothers just about everyone...
It's best to petition (if they do it in game) and ignore 'em as best you can.
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jonzun Crew I also don't plan of filing a petition.
Filing a petition for something said over a vent or ts server aint going to get you anywhere anyway (as they are nothing whatsoever to do with ccp). As with most things where people have anonimity (i.e. the internet) they will say pretty much anything to get a rise out of people, its no worse in eve than anywhere else on the net and of course if it is in game (i.e. in chat) you can petition it. If it bothers you and your leadership don't care then just move corp/alliance.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:09:00 -
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Not too common place, we come from all over and are usually of more mature age. Your bound to get some A$$hats and pr!cks sure but thats life. I suggest you file a petition to the really offensive ones.
Also you will never have it as bad as the Russian, god the poor Russians.
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
AtIas Cam
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Also you will never have it as bad as the Russian, god the poor Russians.
There's only one Russian and his 10,000 bots.
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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:12:00 -
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We've gotten to the point in society that "******" is only a selective racial slur; that is to say if it's used in a hurtful manner towards a ******. --- Sup~ |
omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:16:00 -
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Get over it?
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Cambarus on 20/08/2010 18:16:55
I lolled
Seriously, eve is a game where half the people here are looking for a way to **** you, blow you up, steal your stuff, and then laugh about it as you cry while looking at the shattered remains of your account. If someone using a word you don't like really bothers you enough that you feel the need to come here and whine about it then this may be the wrong game for you (By which I mean eve-online, eve-forums-online on the other hand seems to be right up your alley) |
Jonzun Crew
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:18:00 -
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I have to say that the corp members and most of the alliance were very supportive. The real shame is that the guys spouting off the offenses was the FC. Up to that point I was really respecting the guys leadership skills. I will see what happens with future ops and go from there. Thanks for the advice. I guess I just needed to get this off my chest.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:24:00 -
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I'm not sure you read the thread Cambarus, there is a huge difference between some foul language and being a racist. If you are offended by people cursing yeah you need to toughen up but there is little excuse for being racist in modern society. I just ignore the people or tell them to stop talking about politics/useless stuff.
You have to understand that in EVE it is "kewl dude, l33t pr0" to be a troll. And most people are too dumb to know what a troll is so they just say the most offensive things they can think of it and then say "llololol guys I am trolling"
You should probably get over it. When you get a RL job you'll find there are racist people there too, there's racist people and dumb people everywhere. You can't change the way they think and you don't have to be best buddies with them. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:25:00 -
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I really hate it when people do this. It is harassment and totally unnecessary. I have often quite gangs and groups with people when this kind of behavior starts in any MMO. Just remember, you are welcome to file a petition under Rules & Policies -> Harassment if this kind of stuff happens in game and let the GMs talk to the offender.
Good luck with your FC. Hopefully if he is a good guy that you two can come to an understanding and enjoy flying with them and not have to deal with this.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us |
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: omgfreemoniez on 20/08/2010 18:27:11 Anyway CCP are from Iceland and that's like the whitest place ever, the ground are white, the people are white, even the polar bears are white. I doubt CCP'll help you out with this one, OP.
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Thoraxe Rig Racist bastards exist in every game, It bothers just about everyone...
It's best to petition (if they do it in game) and ignore 'em as best you can.
There's also some who use racist language because they think it makes them sound "hard" and "edgy" or something. They're not really racists, they're just hooked on controversial language and ****ing in people's cornflakes.
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Quantessa
DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit I'm not sure you read the thread Cambarus, there is a huge difference between some foul language and being a racist.
This is pretty much what decent caring non-racist Germans were saying to each other in the 1920s.
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Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Aessoroz on 20/08/2010 18:36:14 Welcome to the internet!
If you would like to file a petition please go to 4chan.org
If you would like to learn more about this subject please go to encyclopediadramatica.org and lookup TROLL as an explanation for why people use these words.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Quantessa This is pretty much what decent caring non-racist Germans were saying to each other in the 1920s.
It took us 14 post to get to **** good work people
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Taxmuch
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:37:00 -
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I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
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Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
To be fair they use the other version, *****.
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Taxmuch
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aessoroz
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
To be fair they use the other version, *****.
And that is not offensive?
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TekRa
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aessoroz Edited by: Aessoroz on 20/08/2010 18:36:14 Welcome to the internet!
If you would like to file a petition please go to 4chan.org
If you would like to learn more about this subject please go to encyclopediadramatica.org and lookup TROLL as an explanation for why people use these words.
There is more to the net than 4chan, and whilst I don't have an issue with it (the language or /b/) I think it's better off being confined to that insidious haven, where you know it's all copypasta and trolls trolling trolls. In games and IRL there is no need for it. sig. |
Metal Dude
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:55:00 -
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If I was you, I would set the ****er up. When he's in his capital, let some pirates know where to find him, than I would bubble his ass and watch him burn while laughing at him in local. "How you like me now 'N'?"
The truth will set you free
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: Jonzun Crew I also don't plan of filing a petition.
Filing a petition for something said over a vent or ts server aint going to get you anywhere anyway (as they are nothing whatsoever to do with ccp). As with most things where people have anonimity (i.e. the internet) they will say pretty much anything to get a rise out of people, its no worse in eve than anywhere else on the net and of course if it is in game (i.e. in chat) you can petition it. If it bothers you and your leadership don't care then just move corp/alliance.
Eve voice ?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:56:00 -
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Devil's advocate...
The word was carrying significant negative racist connotations about 30 years ago, and it PROBABLY still held some significant ones about 15 years ago... but nowadays ? Not so much. Not even close. Especially after it entered popular culture and is seeing heavy usage inside the group it was formerly "used against". Being offended when somebody of a different race uses a word that the listener's race uses colloquially IS racist on part of the listener... ESPECIALLY if it has been used colloquially too, with no particular harmful racial undertones.
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WhiteGhostBear
Furs of New Eden
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jonzun Crew I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation?
It depends on who you fly with. I know of other corporations where you'll hear far, far worse on a regular basis, and its encouraged. But, I wouldn't ever expect to hear that kind of language from my guys, and if I did, they'd be booted. I've done it before and won't hesitate to do it again. We're here to play internet space ships and have fun.
If the language bothers you and the guy won't stop even after you have asked, then either get someone in authority to lay down the law or simply leave and find a new corp to fly with. There's LOTS of them out there, and because of that, there's no reason for you to stay in an uncomfortable situation.
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:57:00 -
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If I where you I'd first point out to him that I was coloured and that I found his name calling offensive. He may quite then since a lot of people just use language like that to look cool. And if he was still talking to you in a degrading way I'd petition him. No matter what colour, gender, religion or sexual orientation you have you shouldn't need to hear crap like that.
Eve Tribune|EVEgeek|Firebrand Radio |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.20 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
Tada and we got a winner.
I think you are in for quite a search if you want to find a european person who sees the 'n-word' as such a problem that apparently americans think it is. They say it against each other, but when someone else says it, it is suddenly all bad and emo?
Highly related, which shows why many non-americans really dont get this: Ninja say what? Ginga say what?
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:00:00 -
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This is life. You will often have to put up with a horde of raging idiots. However, for every thousand thousand idiots you encounter, there's an angel who produces a gem like Blazing Saddles.
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Jonzun Crew
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:01:00 -
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It's not the game I don't like it's racism. For the last 2 years I've done nothing but have a good time. Even when getting my stuff destroyed. That's is a huge part of the appeal. Theft, deception, espionage I get. Racism? How do I incorporate that into a good time? "oh that guy is just an Ammar and you are a Mimnitar so it's natural" lol I think it caught me off guard and I need to get the bee out of my bonnet.
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Sister Amalia
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jonzun Crew I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before).
To me the part I highlighted is the key point, so a word was said, big deal, it was not aimed at you, so you cannot really truely say in what context the comment was made, I know some 'black' friends and sometimes certains words are said between us, jokingly..
Seriously I think the whoe racism issue is overblown, what about the guy with one leg that gets called hop it? you see such outrage towards that? or gingers, blondes..
Honestly I think alot of people really need to HTFU..
an odd word said once or twice and not aimed at you, HTFU
Harrasment and/or abuse thrown at you regularly or at all, then do as the ccp guy said, file a petition
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Roo Roo
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Roo Roo on 20/08/2010 19:05:37 This game is full of "/b/-tards" and wannabes.
If you are black, or Jewish, or homosexual, you will hear terms that rightfully may be offensive to you.
Then you'll get some idiot defender who has abosolutely no sense of history try to justify it all ....
Its sad that this is where our electronic-youth-culture has chosen to go, but there it is.
Unfortunately, the only real options are to either (a) get over it or (b) move along.
Oh yeah, I forgot: There is also a video out there from a CCP event of a CCP employee saying something, admittedly jokingly, but totally spur-of-the-moment akin to "White is the smartest race". I don't have a link but if you search around hard enough, you can likely find it.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:03:00 -
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The fact remains, many non-americans dont see it as racism. And why should we, ever listened to rap lately? (Outlaw rap btw).
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deathkiller95
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sister Amalia
Honestly I think alot of people really need to HTFU..
an odd word said once or twice and not aimed at you, HTFU
Black people can't HTFU.
It's like trying to make Infinity + 1.
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Kikki Di'je
Lay Low
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:04:00 -
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If he called you a racial slur that may be one thing. But if it was used as a joking matter....
HTFU
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Ghaylenty
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:07:00 -
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racism is fun for everyone. for every time he says something racist about blacks, say something racist about whites. keep doing this until you are satisfied and realized that it never meant anything all along...
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:11:00 -
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People are going to hate eachother over any little thing. Skin color is just one of many.
Actually a bit strange how all the other reasons to hate people are openly accepted.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jonzun Crew I have to say that the corp members and most of the alliance were very supportive. The real shame is that the guys spouting off the offenses was the FC. Up to that point I was really respecting the guys leadership skills. I will see what happens with future ops and go from there. Thanks for the advice. I guess I just needed to get this off my chest.
Heres a suggestion for you...since your so bothered by this (you have a right to be), the next time you fleet up with this guy and the business gets hot and heavy in a fight, why dont the rest of you unfleet and leave him to his fate...Im sure you'll get the pleasure of harvesting salty tears from the a$$hat when he gets his $$$$$$$$ ISK ship popped from under him and starts crying about it. Maybe he'll get the point...maybe not. <shrugs>
...am I evil? Yup I'm evil.
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Cassius Rex
Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: King Gore
They do exist.
Yes, we do, now give me my reparations (in ISK thankyouverymuch)!
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 19:24:46
Originally by: Syn Callibri Edited by: Syn Callibri on 20/08/2010 19:18:51
Originally by: Jonzun Crew I have to say that the corp members and most of the alliance were very supportive. The real shame is that the guys spouting off the offenses was the FC. Up to that point I was really respecting the guys leadership skills. I will see what happens with future ops and go from there. Thanks for the advice. I guess I just needed to get this off my chest.
Heres a suggestion for you...since your so bothered by this (you have a right to be), the next time you fleet up with this guy and the business gets hot and heavy in a fight, why dont the rest of you unfleet and leave him to his fate...with the phrase "The ******s are leaving". Im sure you'll get the pleasure of harvesting salty tears from the a$$hat when he gets his $$$$$$$$ ISK ship popped from under him and starts crying about it. Especially if you record it with TS and post it here! Maybe he'll get the point...maybe not. <shrugs>
...am I evil? Yup I'm evil.
Unless your scramed, then I suggest taken the bastard down with you. Or fly a ECM Boat and keep him perma jammed, 5 racial jammers on a Blackbirds ironic no.
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Kuar Z'thain
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:28:00 -
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I don't login to goon ts anymore without expecting to hear a few hundred racial insults.
And damn... stay away from Rydis, she's a racist hoebag. Linkage
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit I'm not sure you read the thread Cambarus, there is a huge difference between some foul language and being a racist. If you are offended by people cursing yeah you need to toughen up but there is little excuse for being racist in modern society. I just ignore the people or tell them to stop talking about politics/useless stuff.
You're absolutely right, there is a HUGE difference between being a racist and using foul language. If someone is denied service in a store because of their race, or they get beat up because of it or something else along those lines, then I agree, it's 100% wrong and speaking out against crap like that is to be expected. HOWEVER, what the OP describes IS foul language. The idea that in a game, where just about anyone can come along and rob you of months, maybe even years, of time and effort, that it is a big deal if someone says a word you don't like it's somehow a big deal is ridiculous.
Get over it. If you don't like the guy, don't fly with him. It's that easy. HTFU or fly with people as soft as you are. |
Nyveg
Hyperborea Re
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:31:00 -
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Rappers/ movienegros talk like that all the time and you blame the guy, how you know he isn't black? Hey what other word you wonna hear? Does it change facts?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jonzun Crew I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before). As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now). I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation? I also don't plan of filing a petition. Eve is my 2nd MMO and so my experience is limited.
You should only be as as offended as when Nas or Samuel Jackson says it IMHO. They say it to me all the time.
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jonzun Crew
As a "black gamer"
* Hides purse *
Sorry, the troll in me couldn't help it.
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Cassius Rex
Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Cassius Rex on 20/08/2010 19:33:38
Originally by: Jonzun Crew I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server.
Been there many times (and worse, much worse lol), it' doesn't bother me actually, because I know the little zit faced punks who casually spew it wouldn't have the balls to use it outside of there mother's basement where they are cloaked in the anonymity of the internet. And they sure as hell wouldn't use it in my face, so blegh to hell with it.
But if you're in a group that condones it and you can't stand for it, leave, then blow them up repeatedly, killmails cure all ills :) .
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Lucrecia Mongfish
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:33:00 -
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I have a red beard, and people keep telling me I have no soul.
Regardless, there's too many /b/tards and/or ED leftovers in Eve. I personally don't mind a clever joke or two, even if it's on the expense of a religion or skin colour. I do, however, find the excessive usage of words like ******, jew, and ***got to be ridiculous, and it's incredibly tiring after a while.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Unless your scramed, then I suggest taken the bastard down with you. Or fly a ECM Boat and keep him perma jammed, 5 racial jammers on a Blackbirds ironic no.
Are you evil? Yup...your evil too!
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Barakkus
Onyx Industrial
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:36:00 -
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It's pretty common in online gaming unfortunately. WoW is much, much, much worse than EVE in regards to people using racial slurs. When I used to play WoW, I would pug a lot of raids and most of the time I'd get on people's vent and it would be non-stop...it's usually a bunch of kids trying to be "kewl" and be as offensive as humanly possible b/c there's no one there to punch them in the face.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:39:00 -
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If it was directed at you, in a racist way, then you would have all right to be offended. But if he just said it, in a joking manner, and not even directed at you, it's the same as if he were to say "mother****er" or "***got". It has no racist implications, it's just a bad word. I won't even get into the whole "double standards" thing that it's ok for a black person to say it, but anyone else it's suddenly the worst word in existence. No offense, and I'm not accusing you of it, it just ****es me off.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 20/08/2010 19:48:00 Racism is a form of deep stupidity.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:42:00 -
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In all seriousness one of the reasons I don't care for voice in MMOs or PSN or whatever is it's just a lot of insults and cussing and racial stuff and burping and farting. Text I can ignore but the annoying squirelly voice of a shut-in going on about teabagging and pwnage just makes my ears bleed.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 19:46:59
Originally by: Jada Maroo In all seriousness one of the reasons I don't care for voice in MMOs or PSN or whatever is it's just a lot of insults and cussing and racial stuff and burping and farting. Text I can ignore but the annoying squirelly voice of a shut-in going on about teabagging and pwnage just makes my ears bleed.
You, sir, need to join a better corp then. Yea, my vent is full of people insulting each other sometimes, but at least it's funny, and they don't talk about teabagging and pwning and that other cancer of the internet stuff.
edit: Well, at least PSN is better than Xbox Live.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:49:00 -
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Oh you know what else annoys me are those dumbasses who have voice operated microphones while playing MP3s through speakers.
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Kiritsubo
Ritual Suicide
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kiritsubo on 20/08/2010 19:50:28
Originally by: Jonzun Crew I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server.
How do you know both people involved aren't black and using it as a term of endearment?
Don't forget, on the internet no one knows you're a dog.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo Oh you know what else annoys me are those dumbasses who have voice operated microphones while playing MP3s through speakers.
or constantly breath into a voice activated one...
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:52:00 -
[56]
aaah my favorite word
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:54:00 -
[57]
I agree, I really hate it when people call other people Noobs.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:54:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Jada Maroo In all seriousness one of the reasons I don't care for voice in MMOs or PSN or whatever is it's just a lot of insults and cussing and racial stuff and burping and farting. Text I can ignore but the annoying squirelly voice of a shut-in going on about teabagging and pwnage just makes my ears bleed.
..."burping and farting"..."teabagging and pwnage"..."insults and cussing"...you gotta get in a better corp M8 or stop playing with 12 year olds.
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:58:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Syn Callibri ..."burping and farting"..."teabagging and pwnage"..."insults and cussing"...you gotta get in a better corp M8 or stop playing with 12 year olds.
I'm generalizing a bit. But a corp I was in my my earlier days was like that. I've since started my own and weeded out the preschoolers.
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Labelo Blanco
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:59:00 -
[60]
The world is full of sheep, and they bleat mighty hard. Ignore the fc and carry on hunting, he sounds like fair game for a scam.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:06:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Labelo Blanco The world is full of sheep, and they bleat mighty hard. Ignore the fc and carry on hunting, he sounds like fair game for a scam.
All we need to know is...his name. BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:07:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 20/08/2010 20:07:20
Ah words! The sounds that come out of the little hole in your face that people will kill each other over.
Here's an interesting bit of trivia. In Spanish, the word "negro" means black as in the color. It is also used to refer to a black person. In Hispanic circles (think of it as hillbilly Spanish) the word "pietro" is also used.
The interesting thing is that those words have no offensive connotation, furthermore the word "negro" is often used as a term of endearment between close friends, spouses or lovers...and no, you don't have to be black to be called "negro" in that sense.
The black community in america (my home) does itself a disservice by first objecting to the use of the "N" word, yet capitalizing on it by black rappers using it constantly.
The double standard makes it difficult to have this be taken seriously.
A word is only as powerful as the meaning you put behind it. Don't quit Eve over this, but choose your EVE mates wisely. Furthermore, the only race any player should be concerned with is your in-game race.
Yes, I'm talking to all you Amarr dogs out there.
Peace Bro.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:08:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Syn Callibri
Originally by: Labelo Blanco The world is full of sheep, and they bleat mighty hard. Ignore the fc and carry on hunting, he sounds like fair game for a scam.
All we need to know is...his name. BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!
God Damn It, I just learned snipping takes place on 59 and not 60
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:11:00 -
[64]
Personally, I think the time for playing victim is over. People in general are too ****ing soft, sensitivity is a good trait when something serious actually happened, if you get offended by a word then you really need to put your life in some perspective, tbqfh.
People insult each other every day, either by poking fun, (which is a mean to test bonds (I've said some really ****ed up **** to friends, it's just how we are) or it's seriously meant as a racist remark and intended to provoke an angry response. In which case you do whatever you do when someone tells you that you are a piece of garbage, et cetera, and so on.
Personally, I couldn't care less what some random individual on the Internet thought about me.
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HappyBunnyHammer
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:16:00 -
[65]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist words about words
HTFU
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Zverofaust
Gallente Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:39:00 -
[66]
I have a similar story
Not long after starting Eve I realized that the CEO of the corp I joined was a racist podunk redneck. It was the usual "blacks commit most of the crimes", "if all the blacks and mexicans were deported the US would be much better off", etc etc -- that sort of "low key" racist garbage that "isn't his fault because that's just the way he was raised" blah blah. So one day I snapped and hammered him on vent. He never brought the subject up again.
From experience most of the people who use this kind of tone and language have absolutely no idea that it actually hurts people. They only ever say it in the company of their white friends and usually do it as a real life troll attempt to raise eyebrows and get people to do that "ohhhh **** no he didn't!" response. I used to do it too. Then I went to prison and my cellmate was black and over the course of my short tenure I learned a valuable lesson in life; that everybody has faults regardless of their skin colour.
Oh wait that was Edward Norton. Whatever the lesson is still true. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara |
tmasher
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:46:00 -
[67]
Edited by: tmasher on 20/08/2010 20:47:11 Edited by: tmasher on 20/08/2010 20:46:44
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 20/08/2010 20:07:20
Ah words! The sounds that come out of the little hole in your face that people will kill each other over.
Here's an interesting bit of trivia. In Spanish, the word "negro" means black as in the color. It is also used to refer to a black person. In Hispanic circles (think of it as hillbilly Spanish) the word "pietro" is also used.
The interesting thing is that those words have no offensive connotation, furthermore the word "negro" is often used as a term of endearment between close friends, spouses or lovers...and no, you don't have to be black to be called "negro" in that sense.
The black community in america (my home) does itself a disservice by first objecting to the use of the "N" word, yet capitalizing on it by black rappers using it constantly.
The double standard makes it difficult to have this be taken seriously.
A word is only as powerful as the meaning you put behind it. Don't quit Eve over this, but choose your EVE mates wisely. Furthermore, the only race any player should be concerned with is your in-game race.
Yes, I'm talking to all you Amarr dogs out there.
Peace Bro.
I bet this white dude also has black friends, solidifying claims that he is in fact an expert on african-american social issues and word etymology.
Seriously go suck a bag of ****s and spare us the whiny pale liberal morality class. Just because some black artists use the N word on a ridiculously frequent basis doesn't mean black people who call for it to stop should be taken "less seriously". What do you expect them to do about it? Maybe they should take a queue from ol' whitey and start some lynch mobs.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:54:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 20/08/2010 20:54:04
Originally by: tmasher Edited by: tmasher on 20/08/2010 20:47:11 Edited by: tmasher on 20/08/2010 20:46:44
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 20/08/2010 20:07:20
Ah words! The sounds that come out of the little hole in your face that people will kill each other over.
Here's an interesting bit of trivia. In Spanish, the word "negro" means black as in the color. It is also used to refer to a black person. In Hispanic circles (think of it as hillbilly Spanish) the word "pietro" is also used.
The interesting thing is that those words have no offensive connotation, furthermore the word "negro" is often used as a term of endearment between close friends, spouses or lovers...and no, you don't have to be black to be called "negro" in that sense.
The black community in america (my home) does itself a disservice by first objecting to the use of the "N" word, yet capitalizing on it by black rappers using it constantly.
The double standard makes it difficult to have this be taken seriously.
A word is only as powerful as the meaning you put behind it. Don't quit Eve over this, but choose your EVE mates wisely. Furthermore, the only race any player should be concerned with is your in-game race.
Yes, I'm talking to all you Amarr dogs out there.
Peace Bro.
I bet this white dude also has black friends, solidifying claims that he is in fact an expert on african-american social issues and word etymology.
Seriously go suck a bag of ****s and spare us the whiny pale liberal morality class. Just because some black artists use the N word on a ridiculously frequent basis doesn't mean black people who call for it to stop should be taken "less seriously". What do you expect them to do about it? Maybe they should take a queue from ol' whitey and start some lynch mobs.
..."a queue from ol' whitey"
...thats the cracker thank you very much!
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Jonzun Crew
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:59:00 -
[69]
Well, I have to say that I feel better for bringing it up and getting it off my chest. I really didn't want this spoil my future fun. One thing I've shared with non-gamers in RL is playing with folks around the world. This has been a high point for me for sometime. The rant threw me off for a bit. I'm cool now. Water off the ducks back. Live and let live. Thanks for the reads and responses. Fly Safe.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:00:00 -
[70]
What's up my nizzle? ---
☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻ |
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:03:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 20/08/2010 21:04:52
Originally by: Captain Pompous What's up my nizzle?
****zle fo hizzle?
...ok, not going there ever again.
btw...did you know the filter catches s-h-i-z? What the hell does that mean?
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:06:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Syn Callibri
Originally by: Captain Pompous What's up my nizzle?
****zle fo hizzle?
...ok, not going there ever again.
rassist ---
☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻ |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:09:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 20/08/2010 21:13:05
Originally by: Captain Pompous Edited by: Captain Pompous on 20/08/2010 21:06:47
Originally by: Syn Callibri
Originally by: Captain Pompous What's up my nizzle?
****zle fo hizzle?
...ok, not going there ever again.
it's like ****, but with extra **** I believe
rassist
WHAT...did I just say something about your mom breeding out of season or something?
...again, never going there again!
However, I find it amazing that the language filter catches ebonic slang but not 1337...WTF?
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:13:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Syn Callibri Edited by: Syn Callibri on 20/08/2010 21:00:37
Originally by: tmasher Edited by: tmasher on 20/08/2010 20:47:11 Edited by: tmasher on 20/08/2010 20:46:44
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 20/08/2010 20:07:20
Ah words! The sounds that come out of the little hole in your face that people will kill each other over.
Here's an interesting bit of trivia. In Spanish, the word "negro" means black as in the color. It is also used to refer to a black person. In Hispanic circles (think of it as hillbilly Spanish) the word "pietro" is also used.
The interesting thing is that those words have no offensive connotation, furthermore the word "negro" is often used as a term of endearment between close friends, spouses or lovers...and no, you don't have to be black to be called "negro" in that sense.
The black community in america (my home) does itself a disservice by first objecting to the use of the "N" word, yet capitalizing on it by black rappers using it constantly.
The double standard makes it difficult to have this be taken seriously.
A word is only as powerful as the meaning you put behind it. Don't quit Eve over this, but choose your EVE mates wisely. Furthermore, the only race any player should be concerned with is your in-game race.
Yes, I'm talking to all you Amarr dogs out there.
Peace Bro.
I bet this white dude also has black friends, solidifying claims that he is in fact an expert on african-american social issues and word etymology.
Seriously go suck a bag of ****s and spare us the whiny pale liberal morality class. Just because some black artists use the N word on a ridiculously frequent basis doesn't mean black people who call for it to stop should be taken "less seriously". What do you expect them to do about it? Maybe they should take a queue from ol' whitey and start some lynch mobs.
..."a queue from ol' whitey"
...please refrain from using such a derogatory term to describe those of us who are caucasian...please use "the cracker" or "white devil" or "white bread sucka" thank you very much! Don't you dare call us "whitey" ever again!
(edit: took out "boy"...just didn't do anything for me)
How can you forget "HONKY?" That word is a classic. White bread sucka is also my fav.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:16:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
How can you forget "HONKY?" That word is a classic. White bread sucka is also my fav.
You used the "H" word!
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:16:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Jonzun Crew Water off the ducks back. Live and let live. Thanks for the reads and responses. Fly Safe.
You just had to bring up Mexicans.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:16:00 -
[77]
Wow this just keeps escalating, I give it three more pages before there is a race riot.
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Illuser
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:18:00 -
[78]
Do what I do when I feel like taking the wrath of God down upon internet trolls
1) Find Goonswarm system 2) Ask in local "So, you guiz are the 4chan alliance, amirite?" 3) Wait for racial slurs/personal threats 4) Begin the petitioning.
Works like a charm
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:19:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Jonzun Crew Water off the ducks back. Live and let live. Thanks for the reads and responses. Fly Safe.
You just had to bring up Mexicans.
DAMMIT...I just spit soda on my desk!
IB4L Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:20:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Originally by: Jonzun Crew Water off the ducks back. Live and let live. Thanks for the reads and responses. Fly Safe.
You just had to bring up Mexicans.
How many mexicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Juan (that joke was so ******ed I had to post it)
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:22:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:26:18 Nope
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:24:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:26:39 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:24:36 I snipe this
Edit: F*ck, Will I ever learn to snipe
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:26:00 -
[83]
How bout now
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:27:00 -
[84]
Well you're no Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:29:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:30:30 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:28:51
Originally by: Jada Maroo Well you're no Lee Harvey Oswald.
No I am not =(
Is there an Agony Unleashed class about thread snipping?
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:33:00 -
[86]
Hey, quit spamming a completely legitimate racist thread.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:41:00 -
[87]
tbh you're really bad at this
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:43:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:43:11
Originally by: Stick Cult tbh you're really bad at this
Yes but everyone has stopped bein racist, abject stupidity, or clever plan, you will never know?
Edit: It was the first one.
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:45:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:43:11
Originally by: Stick Cult tbh you're really bad at this
Yes but everyone has stopped bein racist, abject stupidity, or clever plan, you will never know?
Edit: It was the first one.
Yes, they're still pretty stupid.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:45:00 -
[90]
Race Minmatar Bloodline Brutor Ancest slave child Per 11 Int 4 Mem 4 Wil 9 Cha 6
Who is racist?
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:47:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 21:46:57
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:26:39 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:24:36 I snipe this
Edit: F*ck, Will I ever learn to snipe
I'm a pr0 sniper
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:49:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Atticus Fynch How can you forget "HONKY?" That word is a classic. White bread sucka is also my fav.
Actually I think that's the problem. You can't really call a white person anything truly insulting. Honky, cue ball, whitey, etc. are just weak and only invokes a "if that's the best you can do, maybe there's some truth..." response.
The problem with the N word is that it has several centuries of hate and weight behind it. An inbred redneck living in a trailer park, with one tooth, a 3rd grade education, and who is married to his sister-mother, can throw the N word at a successful black doctor who just performed CPR on the redneck's daughter-cousin, and the redneck will, with all sincerity, believe that he is the doctor's superior.
As long as there's no white equivalent of the N word, there never will be 100% equality.
Dammit, now my beer has gotten warm.
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:49:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:55:39 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:54:28 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:52:47 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:52:03
Originally by: Stick Cult Add URL's to the list of things I hate
Wait till they delete my post for spam, back to page 3 with you. =p
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Barakkus
Onyx Industrial
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:50:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 21:50:16
Originally by: Ghoest Race Minmatar Bloodline Brutor Ancest slave child Per 11 Int 4 Mem 4 Wil 9 Cha 6
Who is racist?
I resent that tyvm. I pity the fool...
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:51:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 21:46:57
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:26:39 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:24:36 I snipe this
Edit: F*ck, Will I ever learn to snipe
I'm a pr0 sniper
You don't edit snipes in, fool ---
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:54:00 -
[96]
Jonzun Crew, your main must be in razor!
If so, I know of whom you speak of! =P
But seriously, if you tell the dude that you don't like that word and he uses it latter belligerently, then there is a problem there! However, if it is used only once, and people have a cow over it without trying to solve it calmly; most people respond with "Get over it"!
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:55:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 21:46:57
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:26:39 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:24:36 I snipe this
Edit: F*ck, Will I ever learn to snipe
I'm a pr0 sniper
You don't edit snipes in, fool
I edited to fix the url tag... I did snipe it, I swear! I was refreshing the page for like 10 minutes..
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:57:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 21:46:57
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:26:39 Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 21:24:36 I snipe this
Edit: F*ck, Will I ever learn to snipe
I'm a pr0 sniper
You don't edit snipes in, fool
I edited to fix the url tag... I did snipe it, I swear! I was refreshing the page for like 10 minutes..
Teach me oh wise Forum Guru.
Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Yansa Tholus
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:07:00 -
[99]
Originally by: omgfreemoniez Edited by: omgfreemoniez on 20/08/2010 18:28:03
Anyway CCP are from Iceland and that's like the whitest place ever, the ground are white, the people are white, even the polar bears are white. I doubt CCP'll help you out with this one, OP.
yes i know they dont have polar bears in iceland but it sounded funny in my head
They don't have polar bears in Iceland. And most of the country is brown and gray.
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Wonton Willie
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:09:00 -
[100]
Riddle me this. If the offender was also a "black gamer", would it have bothered you anywhere near as much? Don't bother answering actually, because if you say yes, you are a liar.
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Ildryn
X Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:13:00 -
[101]
So what. Ive seen Black men call each other the *N* word. And the same black people calling white people Cracker. Those same Black people get upset when you call them the *N* word. But anyone can be a *N* word. It's the people who escalate it to a racist word that are usually the racists.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:16:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Ildryn So what. Ive seen Black men call each other the *N* word. And the same black people calling white people Cracker. Those same Black people get upset when you call them the *N* word. But anyone can be a *N* word. It's the people who escalate it to a racist word that are usually the racists.
Um..I prefer you not use the "C" word. Thank you very much.
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Amber Accelerando
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:18:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jonzun Crew It's not the game I don't like it's racism. For the last 2 years I've done nothing but have a good time. Even when getting my stuff destroyed. That's is a huge part of the appeal. Theft, deception, espionage I get. Racism? How do I incorporate that into a good time? "oh that guy is just an Ammar and you are a Mimnitar so it's natural" lol I think it caught me off guard and I need to get the bee out of my bonnet.
No no no, you should be offended and you should petition him. Damit I can't stand that sort of crap. I f somebody calls me a "Noob" I go crazy! That is the 'N' word right?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:21:00 -
[104]
i also hate naggers lol
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:31:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:32:17 Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:31:44
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU (moron)
There's this moment in American history when white people enslaved black people. Later on they freed them and oppressed them. During this long history when a white person said the N***** word towards a black person, it was meant as a threat, purely racist remark or worse.
Nowadays you have more nuance. You have black people who use the word. However when a black person uses the word, CHANCES ARE THEY"RE NOT IN THE KayKK! However when a white person uses it, it makes a black person suspicious, confused or nervous at their intentions or context.
I'm black. If a black guy says n***** I can assume he's probably not a racist set out to destroy me. When a white person says it, I have to immediately understand context. If I can't understand context (for example, if a stranger says it) I become upset or suspicious of them.
THERE YOU GO! -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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[106]
Originally by: Rpeg Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:32:17 Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:31:44
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU (moron)
There's this moment in American history when white people enslaved black people. Later on they freed them and oppressed them. During this long history when a white person said the N***** word towards a black person, it was meant as a threat, purely racist remark or worse.
Nowadays you have more nuance. You have black people who use the word. However when a black person uses the word, CHANCES ARE THEY"RE NOT IN THE KayKK! However when a white person uses it, it makes a black person suspicious, confused or nervous at their intentions or context.
I'm black. If a black guy says n***** I can assume he's probably not a racist set out to destroy me. When a white person says it, I have to immediately understand context. If I can't understand context (for example, if a stranger says it) I become upset or suspicious of them.
THERE YOU GO!
Then you're paranoid. Chances are most white people aren't the the *** either, so grow up.
Quote: During this long history when a white person said the N***** word towards a black person, it was meant as a threat, purely racist remark or worse.
Yes. And this period of history is over.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Brusanan
Beware of Carp General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:37:00 -
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People need to stop being offended by stupid things. A word is a word is a word. There is nothing offensive about any word. The only reason people get offended by words is because they were conditioned to be offended by them, in the same way that some people were conditioned to be offended by elbows on the table, wearing a hat in doors, taking the Lord's name in vain, etc. All stupid things that are only offensive because certain people just need things to ***** about.
You do not have a right not to be offended, and nobody is obligated to stop doing something just because it offends you. ______
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:41:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:43:10
Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 22:37:45
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU (moron)
There's this moment in American history when white people enslaved black people. Later on they freed them and oppressed them. During this long history when a white person said the N***** word towards a black person, it was meant as a threat, purely racist remark or worse.
Nowadays you have more nuance. You have black people who use the word. However when a black person uses the word, CHANCES ARE THEY"RE NOT IN THE KayKK! However when a white person uses it, it makes a black person suspicious, confused or nervous at their intentions or context.
I'm black. If a black guy says n***** I can assume he's probably not a racist set out to destroy me. When a white person says it, I have to immediately understand context. If I can't understand context (for example, if a stranger says it) I become upset or suspicious of them.
THERE YOU GO!
Then you're paranoid. Chances are most white people aren't in the "KayKK" either, so grow up.
Quote: During this long history when a white person said the N***** word towards a black person, it was meant as a threat, purely racist remark or worse.
Yes. And this period of history is over.
I"m not saying white people are in the ***. I'm saying when a white person says n****** and you don't understand the context, then the possibility of them being outright racist is open to lots of interpretation. No one should be confused or shocked by that reasoning. That's the problem and that's why people feel uncomfortable with it. You have to start understanding if it was meant as a joke or if this is a person who actually carries hate.
And no, racism is not over in America. I was yelled at by a stranger in a car, called a n***** a couple years ago walking down Sunset Blvd in L.A.
You need to grow up and realize what world you live in.
And listen you little brat. The issue isn't the word. The issue is the context. When you hear people throw the word around, it makes it difficult to understand the meaning or intention behind it. I'm not offended if it's meant as joke. However sometimes it's not. And when those times arise, I like the to understand the situation fully. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Necrosmith
Gallente Chunder Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:44:00 -
[109]
Dr. Laura plays EVE?
There's no room for racism in EVE. Report the offender. __________________ Follow me on Twitter Please add the ability to autolink planets in support of PI.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:48:00 -
[110]
I know there's racism still, and there always will be. Forever. There will always be "that group" of people everyone seems to hate, although the FOTM will switch every now and then, and you'll always be able to find some other group who hates someone else for no reason. It's human nature. My point is that you shouldn't be offended by a word, there are much more important things to be offended about.
Also, I was referencing the period of history when black people were openly discriminated against. (ie, denied service at a restaurant, on a bus, etc) Of course there will always be people who will generalize about groups, but that goes for every group of people.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:52:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Stick Cult My point is that you shouldn't be offended by a word, there are much more important things to be offended about.
Sit down. Count how many times I mentioned the word "context". Go count. The issue is not the word. The issue is context and as to why a black person would get nervous when they hear a white person in America say the n-word. If it's a white friend, I can understand the meaning. If it's a complete stranger, then I don't know if it's a joke or not or even if it's a threat. You clearly don't relate at all. You should grow up and gain some life experience. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:55:00 -
[112]
And your only context is that it's a white person.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:58:00 -
[113]
I have never met anyone who was offended by "cracker."
Anyone who is racist sees it as a compliment. Anyone who isnt racist just doesnt care.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:59:00 -
[114]
I'm not sure why people keep asking "If they call each other it, why can't we call them it"?
200-300 years of slavery Apartheid Jim Crow
That's why we get to say it to each other, simply put. Let us enslave you for a couple hundred years, then separate you "equally" and you can totally call us ******s to.
That being said, I'm Haitian, I don't use the N-Word, and we killed our white people and freed ourselves anyway. In retrospect it didn't work out so well but meh.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:00:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Stick Cult And your only context is that it's a white person.
I shouldn't assume that whoever said the word in the original situation was white. However, with the post I quoted, I assume they were referring to the typical American white/black dynamic. Much the same way it's been in the news lately (Dr. Laura). Their issue is about blacks using the word why that's different from others. If a Mexican calls me that word, I have to go through the same process of understanding their meaning and context and whether or not it's a joke or a threat. Again, I guess you just have never been a situation like that before. Good for you. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Barakkus
Onyx Industrial
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:01:00 -
[116]
All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".
This is one man that has been called a n****** recently, that knows very well what that word means, and NO ONE living on this earth has the right to say that **** to this man, not a single person, black, white, hispanic or otherwise.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Mah'D
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:02:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Rpeg Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:32:17 Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:31:44
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU (moron)
There's this moment in American history when white people enslaved black people. Later on they freed them and oppressed them. During this long history when a white person said the N***** word towards a black person, it was meant as a threat, purely racist remark or worse.
Nowadays you have more nuance. You have black people who use the word. However when a black person uses the word, CHANCES ARE THEY"RE NOT IN THE KayKK! However when a white person uses it, it makes a black person suspicious, confused or nervous at their intentions or context.
I'm black. If a black guy says n***** I can assume he's probably not a racist set out to destroy me. When a white person says it, I have to immediately understand context. If I can't understand context (for example, if a stranger says it) I become upset or suspicious of them.
THERE YOU GO!
Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.
Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:05:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".
Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.
And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. I wouldn't, but I can.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:05:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Mah'D
Originally by: Rpeg Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:32:17 Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:31:44
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU (moron)
There's this moment in American history when white people enslaved black people. Later on they freed them and oppressed them. During this long history when a white person said the N***** word towards a black person, it was meant as a threat, purely racist remark or worse.
Nowadays you have more nuance. You have black people who use the word. However when a black person uses the word, CHANCES ARE THEY"RE NOT IN THE KayKK! However when a white person uses it, it makes a black person suspicious, confused or nervous at their intentions or context.
I'm black. If a black guy says n***** I can assume he's probably not a racist set out to destroy me. When a white person says it, I have to immediately understand context. If I can't understand context (for example, if a stranger says it) I become upset or suspicious of them.
THERE YOU GO!
Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.
Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.
Go read my other posts moron. The issue isn't the word. It's the context. If I don't understand the context of when the word is being used, I will feel uncomfortable, confused or even nervous.
And I had to present a brief synopsis on American history here for the sake of brevity. If you'd like to teach me about my history, go right ahead. I'd love to hear it. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Barakkus
Onyx Industrial
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:06:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Mah'D
Originally by: Rpeg Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:32:17 Edited by: Rpeg on 20/08/2010 22:31:44
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU (moron)
There's this moment in American history when white people enslaved black people. Later on they freed them and oppressed them. During this long history when a white person said the N***** word towards a black person, it was meant as a threat, purely racist remark or worse.
Nowadays you have more nuance. You have black people who use the word. However when a black person uses the word, CHANCES ARE THEY"RE NOT IN THE KayKK! However when a white person uses it, it makes a black person suspicious, confused or nervous at their intentions or context.
I'm black. If a black guy says n***** I can assume he's probably not a racist set out to destroy me. When a white person says it, I have to immediately understand context. If I can't understand context (for example, if a stranger says it) I become upset or suspicious of them.
THERE YOU GO!
Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.
Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.
Blacks use that word to culturally "own" it, take the "power" away from those who used it to oppress them. It's a cultural thing, and it's not likely to just up and change itself overnight. This isn't a "slavery" thing, there's more to it than that, you are over simplifying things.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Sakrak
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
Tada and we got a winner.
I think you are in for quite a search if you want to find a european person who sees the 'n-word' as such a problem that apparently americans think it is. They say it against each other, but when someone else says it, it is suddenly all bad and emo?
Highly related, which shows why many non-americans really dont get this: Ninja say what? Ginga say what?
Let me start by saying I don't know the OP's motivations so I am making no accusations. But in America it is known as the race card. Certain groups have found that by shouting racism at every turn(whether true or not) they can intimidate others who are scared to death of being called racist. Heck someone may call me a racist for saying this.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:08:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Amberlamps on 20/08/2010 23:08:45
Originally by: Mah'D
Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.
Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.
Well said, also would like to convey the point if you were intelligent enough you wouldn't use the word at all if you were so worried about being offended by it. Then again if I hear a white person saying Money I understand the context they mean, however if I hear a black person saying money I instantly become nervous, scared and somewhat poorer within moments.
I'm not a fan of the race card.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:08:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".
Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.
And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. I wouldn't, but I can.
At this point, you clearly just don't even want to li -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Barakkus
Onyx Industrial
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:11:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 23:13:29
Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".
Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.
And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. I wouldn't, but I can.
Google the civil rights movement of the 1960s if you want a modern explination of it. The 1960s and 1970s weren't that long ago, but of course with the ADHD children of today, last year is ancient history now.
And that little part about having the right to say that to John Lewis, you are an ignorant bastard if you think it's ok to call that man a n******. That man has lived through things that would make you curl up in the corner and cry for mommy. Show a little respect.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:15:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Amberlamps Edited by: Amberlamps on 20/08/2010 23:08:45
Originally by: Mah'D
Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.
Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.
Well said, also would like to convey the point if you were intelligent enough you wouldn't use the word at all if you were so worried about being offended by it. Then again if I hear a white person saying Money I understand the context they mean, however if I hear a black person saying money I instantly become nervous, scared and somewhat poorer within moments.
I'm not a fan of the race card.
What on earth are you talking about? If I said "I hate j.ews." that would be pretty self-explanatory and then if you are offended, you can be. However if you later found out I was quoting someone else, it changes the meaning of my statement. If someone is saying N***** and I don't know the context of their statement, then my options are either it was a joke, reference or something intended to be insulting towards me (at least implicitly). In that process of negotiating the options, I am have to deal with a certain level of discomfort. Does that not make sense to people? The issues (for me) isn't that the word shouldn't be used. It's that you shouldn't be shocked that someone would be offended when you use it! Stop acting like ******s here. No one should be surprised about that.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:15:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 23:12:33
Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".
Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.
And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. I wouldn't, but I can.
Google the civil rights movement of the 1960s if you want a modern explination of it. The 1960s and 1970s weren't that long ago, but of course with the ADHD children of today, last year is ancient history now.
And that little part about having the right to say that to John Lewis, you are an ingnorant bastard if you think it's ok to call that man a n******. That man has lived through things that would make you curl up in the corner and cry for mommy. Show a little respect.
Making segregation in schools, the workplace, government, etc illegal?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Barakkus
Onyx Industrial
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:16:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 23:17:38
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 23:12:33
Originally by: Stick Cult Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".
Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.
And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. I wouldn't, but I can.
Google the civil rights movement of the 1960s if you want a modern explination of it. The 1960s and 1970s weren't that long ago, but of course with the ADHD children of today, last year is ancient history now.
And that little part about having the right to say that to John Lewis, you are an ingnorant bastard if you think it's ok to call that man a n******. That man has lived through things that would make you curl up in the corner and cry for mommy. Show a little respect.
Making segregation in schools, the workplace, government, etc illegal?
You're oversimplifying things just to be contrary...you sort of left out lynchings and murders based on race too...grow up and learn something instead of just being an annonymous internet troll.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:17:00 -
[128]
Generally, the best way to insure that someone repeatedly uses a word that offends you in Eve is to say you're offended by the word.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:18:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Sakrak
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Taxmuch I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?
I just don't understand, please enlighten me.
Tada and we got a winner.
I think you are in for quite a search if you want to find a european person who sees the 'n-word' as such a problem that apparently americans think it is. They say it against each other, but when someone else says it, it is suddenly all bad and emo?
Highly related, which shows why many non-americans really dont get this: Ninja say what? Ginga say what?
Let me start by saying I don't know the OP's motivations so I am making no accusations. But in America it is known as the race card. Certain groups have found that by shouting racism at every turn(whether true or not) they can intimidate others who are scared to death of being called racist. Heck someone may call me a racist for saying this.
Discomfort at the use of the word is not the race card. What you're doing is known as being and idiot. When you're dealing with a long history of the word being used as a racist term, then what do you expect? There is more gray area today, as there should be. However it's still difficult to understand your ignorant suggestion that anyone who is offended by the word is simply trying to manipulate the situation is grossly naive. I was called n****** from a stranger in a moving car a couple years ago. If I hypothesized that that fellow was a racist, am I all of a sudden playing the race card? -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Barakkus
Onyx Industrial
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:21:00 -
[130]
One last thing, there is a documentary called "Eyes On the Prize" that those of you who think it's "just a word" need to watch if you truly want to understand the meaning behind that word.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:36:00 -
[131]
dont let the 10 year old basement player get your down
morons throw around the N word to try and feel better and powerful
------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
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Sub Trader
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:40:00 -
[132]
look for a new corp with grown up players with some kind of decency or standard of behaviour
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:48:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Amberlamps Edited by: Amberlamps on 20/08/2010 23:08:45
Originally by: Mah'D
Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.
Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.
Well said, also would like to convey the point if you were intelligent enough you wouldn't use the word at all if you were so worried about being offended by it. Then again if I hear a white person saying Money I understand the context they mean, however if I hear a black person saying money I instantly become nervous, scared and somewhat poorer within moments.
I'm not a fan of the race card.
What on earth are you talking about? If I said "I hate j.ews." that would be pretty self-explanatory and then if you are offended, you can be. However if you later found out I was quoting someone else, it changes the meaning of my statement. If someone is saying N***** and I don't know the context of their statement, then my options are either it was a joke, reference or something intended to be insulting towards me (at least implicitly). In that process of negotiating the options, I am have to deal with a certain level of discomfort. Does that not make sense to people? The issues (for me) isn't that the word shouldn't be used. It's that you shouldn't be shocked that someone would be offended when you use it! Stop acting like ******s here. No one should be surprised about that.
What?
I'm still uncomfortable when a black man asks for ISK.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.20 23:58:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Amberlamps
What?
I'm still uncomfortable when a black man asks for ISK.
And why is that? -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.21 00:01:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Jada Maroo on 21/08/2010 00:01:24
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Amberlamps
What?
I'm still uncomfortable when a black man asks for ISK.
And why is that?
He's just gonna buy Crash with it.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.21 00:17:00 -
[136]
I leave for a short 3 hours and all my work to delail this thread has failed, is race really this important?
If so please share why.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Originally by: Barakkus Blacks use that word to culturally "own" it, take the "power" away from those who used it to oppress them. It's a cultural thing, and it's not likely to just up and change itself overnight. This isn't a "slavery" thing, there's more to it than that, you are over simplifying things.
A modern-day "African-American" has a much higher chance of being the descendant of a slave owner than just about any "European". Does that mean that only white people from the USA can't say it ?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:07:00 -
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A modern day african American probably has a better chance of being a decedent of slave owners than the average American.
I dont see how this is relevent.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Barakkus
Onyx Industrial
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 21/08/2010 01:13:22
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Barakkus Blacks use that word to culturally "own" it, take the "power" away from those who used it to oppress them. It's a cultural thing, and it's not likely to just up and change itself overnight. This isn't a "slavery" thing, there's more to it than that, you are over simplifying things.
A modern-day "African-American" has a much higher chance of being the descendant of a slave owner than just about any "European". Does that mean that only white people from the USA can't say it ?
You seem to forget it was the Europeans that enslaved them first ;)
The connotations of the word have more recent history than something that happened 200+ years ago. Many of the people that committed some of the most heinous crimes because of racism are still alive (and many walking around free as a bird without a care in the world), as well as many of the victims. People seem to completely forget everything in the last 40 years when talking about racism in regards to black people.
Seriously, watch the documentary I linked...it will make you ashamed and proud to be part of the human race all at the same time. It's a very powerful documentary that pretty much covers modern day racism and the fight to gain equality for black americans.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:23:26
Originally by: Ghoest A modern day african American probably has a better chance of being a decedent of slave owners than the average American. I dont see how this is relevent.
This is relevant because of this...
Quote: I'm not sure why people keep asking "If they call each other it, why can't we call them it"? 200-300 years of slavery Apartheid Jim Crow That's why we get to say it to each other, simply put. Let us enslave you for a couple hundred years, then separate you "equally" and you can totally call us n***** to.
Would a black person be offended if a ASIAN person says the n-word ? I have a slight feeling they probably wouldn't. Why ? Because they don't associate them with the "historic oppressors", and for a pretty good reason. If you're going to play the history card to justify the race card, then you have to limit yourself to the people that actually DID any of that. Extending it to automatically include all "white" people from all across the world _IS_ inherently racist. EXCLUDING people that actually ARE descendants of slave owners just because a part of their genome comes from one of the oppressed (while a larger part very likely comes from the ones that DID the oppressing) doesn't make it any less racist either, quite the opposite. Any "white" person that had nothing to do with slavery, apartheid or any of that (and nobody from his family line ever had anything to do with it either) has all the right to offended by this whole "situation" then.
So, in other words, if "African-Americans" feel offended by the WORD ITSELF, they should probably stop using it altogether too. If they don't want to stop using it, they shouldn't feel AUTOMATICALLY offended when somebody WITH NO OBVIOUS ANTI-BLACK INTENTIONS uses it colloquially. This "situation" is a double-standard based on race alone, and is the very DEFINITION of racism.
That is all.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 01:29:38
Originally by: Akita T Would a black person be offended if a ASIAN person says the n-word
As a black person myself I would be offended if the purpose of the use of the word was derogatory. So yes. Now shut up.
(fing morons around here) -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:34:05
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T Would a black person be offended if a ASIAN person says the n-word
As a black person myself I would be offended if the purpose of the use of the word was derogatory. So yes. Now shut up.
Highlighted relevant part, and that was EXACTLY my point. What if the use WASN'T derogatory, but colloquial ? What if it was colloquial, but instead of an Asian, it was a Caucasian ? My point is that you have no right to be AUTOMATICALLY offended by it ANYMORE unless you have some reason to believe it is being used in a derogatory manner.
Situation : 3 asian, 3 caucasian, 3 black people meet. One of the black guys goes "yo, 'sup, mah' n****s ?" WHY is it wrong for any of the other 8 to say "we're all cool, n****" ?
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Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 01:33:00
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:31:30
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T Would a black person be offended if a ASIAN person says the n-word
As a black person myself I would be offended if the purpose of the use of the word was derogatory. So yes. Now shut up.
Highlighted relevant part, and that was EXACTLY my point. What if the use WASN'T derogatory, but colloquial ? What if it was colloquial, but instead of an Asian, it was a Caucasian ? My point is that you have no right to be AUTOMATICALLY offended by it ANYMORE unless you have some reason to believe it is being used in a derogatory manner.
go read my posts. I've already answered your lame notion.
and stop being stupid. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg go read my posts. I've already answered your lame notion. and stop being stupid.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg go read my posts. I've already answered your lame notion. and stop being stupid.
Stop being racist.
Go read my posts moron. I've never even accused anyone around here of being racist. Your fox news, two cent argument isn't worth jack. You've probably barely spent five minutes constructing your belief. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:43:41
Originally by: Rpeg Go read my posts moron. I've never even accused anyone around here of being racist.
But *I* am accusing of racism black people that get offended by precisely the above-described two situations. Explain to me how that's NOT supposed to be racist on the black person's part ?
P.S. In case it's still not clear enough, no, I am not condoning nor encouraging the use of the n-word by anybody, regardless of skin colour... quite the opposite.
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Caldari Feudum Chalybis The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:41:00 -
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These threads always devolve into the same circular arguement.
Couple of centuries slavery and the internet do not mix well.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg Go read my posts moron. I've never even accused anyone around here of being racist.
But *I* am accusing of racism black people that get offended by precisely the above-described two situations. Explain to me how that's NOT supposed to be racist on the black person's part ?
Go read my posts. I've explained it. your argument is lazy. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:45:08
Originally by: Rpeg Go read my posts. I've explained it. your argument is lazy.
No, you haven't. Not clear enough anyway. Explain again to me as if I am the moron you seem to think I am. And use the exact situations I described.
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Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 02:00:36
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:45:08
Originally by: Rpeg Go read my posts. I've explained it. your argument is lazy.
No, you haven't. Not clear enough anyway. Explain again to me as if I am the moron you seem to think I am. And use the exact situations I described.
Repeat of P.S. : In case it's still not clear enough, no, I am not condoning nor encouraging the use of the n-word by anybody, regardless of skin colour... quite the opposite.
Situation 1 : 3 asian, 3 caucasian, 3 black people meet. One of the black guys goes "yo, 'sup, mah' n****s ?" WHY is it wrong for any of the other 8 to say "we're all cool, n****" ?
Situation 2 : the exact same people meet one week later. WHY is it wrong for one of the white people to say word for word, intonation for intonation, with the exact same intention exactly what the black person said a week earlier ?
Alright, i'm going to hope you're twelve years old and lack life experience. First off your scenario has nothing to do with original post. Your question pre-supposes that a black person would call it wrong if anyone else said n*****. That is the assumption often leveled against the black community in broad strokes. It's a stupid question. Why is it stupid? Because it offers no context. Clearly if this hypothetical group of people are friends and the black person is cool with it, then everything is fine. However don't be naive enough as to not understand why a black person would be uncomfortable with someone non-black using the term? Why you may ask? Because of context, historical baggage and feelings. Do you care about their feelings? Maybe you don't. That's fine if you don't. Does that mean you're a racist? Not necessarily. Will someone call you a racist? Maybe. Does it mean you're naive for not factoring historical and emotional weight with that term? Yes, it does.
There are groups of friends that will say that word with one another with black people around. If doesn't bother anyone, great. However if you throw that word about to a black person who doesn't know you, you're dealing with levels of ambiguity and lack of context that can make the black person uncomfortable and maybe even offended. The bottom line is, if a black person i did not know called me a n***** to my face, I could have a range of reactions. However my imagination would not place them in the category of, "This guy hates me for my race." (note: i am black). If someone I didn't know, who isn't black, said that to my face, the possibility of them actually being racist against me increases. Thus I would be uncomfortable, nervous or even feel threatened in a situation like that. It depends on context and your hypothetical question doesn't factor that in.
Your question assumes that all black people call everyone else racist for using the word no matter what. People level the term racist against one another too much. Often jsut out of emotion. However your huge assumption in that question, "WHY is it wrong for any of the other 8 people to say" the n-word, is manipulative way to phrase that question.
My point is that people here should stop being so stupid to pretend that they don't understand why a black person could be uncomfortable when a non-black person uses that word. It's not difficult to understand. Now if you don't care, then just come right out and say instead acting like an idiot. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
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Agent-Orange
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 21/08/2010 02:06:14 I finally Snipe a thread
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I don't always derp. But when I do, I herp a derp.
P.S. you don't edit snipahs.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 02:16:00 -
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If it makes you feel better, I prefer sexism in EVE over racism in EVE.
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.08.21 02:23:00 -
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NACHOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg First off your scenario has nothing to do with original post.
I wouldn't say nothing, but it's certainly far off the beaten path.
Quote: i'm going to hope you [...] lack life experience [...] Your question pre-supposes that a black person would call it wrong if anyone else said n*****.
That's pretty much how it FEELS like from reading this thread or listening to the media, or just about any source I can get access to. Hint : in my entire life, I could probably count on my hands the number of black people I've seen in close proximity, and only one of them was from the USA (rest were just "plain ole' african"). The black guy from the USA was the fiancTe of the best friend of my girlfriend, coming to Romania to visit "her family" before the wedding. At no point in time have I ever heard the n-word uttered in real-life in a derogatory manner.
Quote: The bottom line is, if a black person i did not know called me a n***** to my face, I could have a range of reactions. However my imagination would not place them in the category of, "This guy hates me for my race." (note: i am black). If someone I didn't know, who isn't black, said that to my face, the possibility of them actually being racist against me increases. Thus I would be uncomfortable, nervous or even feel threatened in a situation like that. It depends on context and your hypothetical question doesn't factor that in.
So, basically, you admit you do react differently to the exact same situation based on the other person's skin colour alone.
Quote: My point is that people here should stop being so stupid to pretend that they don't understand why a black person could be uncomfortable when a non-black person uses that word.
I never said that. I fully understand WHY a black person would feel uncomfortable hearing it, and I agree. You probably don't use it. I probably won't ever use it either. But quite a few african-americans DO use it, even if it's just with people they know, the thing is, IT IS USED. I'd much rather NOBODY used it at all, then we can all agree it's "a bad thing to say". But no, african-americans just had to feel "empowered" or whatnot and "take it over" or whatever. As long as it keeps being used in any one instance without causing offense, it's at least a bit racist to say that if somebody of the "wrong" race uses it it's AUTOMATICALLY racist. The only thing I am saying is that it's a bit HYPOCRITICAL to automatically feel like that (offended when you hear it) while using the word yourself (not you-you, the general-you).
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Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.21 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Johan Moisander on 21/08/2010 02:38:39 Suprisingly studies have shown that the word "******" is most commonly used in lower socioeconomic African American neighborhoods. Perhaps your friend is an African American living in one of these neighborhoods and he meant it as a term of endearment, e.g "pass dat yeyo my *****"?
Otherwise maybe he is mexican, they hate ******s you know.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Quote: The bottom line is, if a black person i did not know called me a n***** to my face, I could have a range of reactions. However my imagination would not place them in the category of, "This guy hates me for my race." (note: i am black). If someone I didn't know, who isn't black, said that to my face, the possibility of them actually being racist against me increases. Thus I would be uncomfortable, nervous or even feel threatened in a situation like that. It depends on context and your hypothetical question doesn't factor that in.
So, basically, you admit you do react differently to the exact same situation based on the other person's skin colour alone.
It's called CONTEXT. Context means you can use the word in a joke and it might be funny. You can use the word in an academic research paper and it might be informative. If a black persons says it it to me, I assume the likelyhood of them being a self-racist black who hates my guts is GREATLY DIMINISHED.
Originally by: Akita T But no, african-americans just had to feel "empowered" or whatnot and "take it over" or whatever.
Yes, go read up on why some blacks felt the need to "take it over". The results are up for debate the intentions are not abstract.
Originally by: Akita T As long as it keeps being used in any one instance without causing offense, it's at least a bit racist to say that if somebody of the "wrong" race uses it it's AUTOMATICALLY racist.
Here you are making assumptions again. Feeling uncomfortable when someone else uses it doesn't mean anyone is being called a racist. You just don't get it and don't relate. It's like if you're in a setting and you don't know if someone is making fun of you are not. You don't necessarily want to accuse anyone of doing that but it can make you uncomfortable when you feel confused by a situation.
Originally by: Akita T The only thing I am saying is that it's a bit HYPOCRITICAL to automatically feel like that (offended when you hear it) while using the word yourself (not you-you, the general-you).
No, it's not hypocritical. If you use the word in a derogatory sense but don't think anyone else can use the word in a derogatory sense, then it is hypocritical. if you use the word in a familial sense but don't think anyone else can use it in a familial sense, then it is hypocritical. If you use the word and you're just comfortable when someone else uses the word because you don't know if it's meant as a joke or not, that's called being human.
The original poster didn't even call the other people racist. He simply stated he was disappointed with their attitude and use of the word.
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Sajad
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Posted - 2010.08.21 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg You just don't get it and don't relate.
A foolproof argument.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Rpeg You just don't get it and don't relate.
A foolproof argument.
I like how you picked that line out and ignore the sensible argument I was making otherwise. However, do you think he gets it? 'Cause I don't. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg [multiple snips] It's called CONTEXT. Context means you can use the word in a joke and it might be funny. [...] The original poster didn't even call the other people racist. He simply stated he was disappointed with their attitude and use of the word.
He specifically said, and I quote...
Quote: [...]one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant.
So, IN CONTEXT, it is relatively quite probable it was not initially meant to be offensive at all (for all we know, both speakers could have been black, or both could have been white and unaware any blacks were listening, or not cared at all about the race of any listeners), and that fact was sort of pointed out to him. The eventual "racist rant" could have been very well been taken verbatim from non-racist posts in this very thread, which the OP could have been misinterpreting as racist, fueling increasingly vitriolic responses as a result of his offense over something that was not meant as offensive. How's that for a probable scenario ?
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Originally by: Rpeg I like how you picked that line out and ignore the sensible argument I was making otherwise.
It's what I do.
But regarding your point:
Originally by: Rpeg However, do you think he gets it? 'Cause I don't.
I don't think either of you understands the other's argument.
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Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Edited by: Johan Moisander on 21/08/2010 02:53:21
Quote:
They say we N û I - Double G û E û R We - are - much more, Still we choose to ignore, The obvious. Man this history don't acknowledge us, We was scholars long before colleges.
They say we N û I - Double G û E û R We - are - much more, But still we choose to ignore, The obvious. We are the slave and the master, What you looking for? You the question and the answer.
We trust no black leaders, Use the stove to heat us, Powder eggs and government cheeses, The calendar was Martin, JFK, & Jesus, Gotta be fresh Go to school with fly sneakers. Schools with outdated books, We are the forgotten, Summers coolin' off by the fire hydrant. Yeah I'm from the ghetto, Where old black women talk about they sugar level, It's not unusual, To see photos of dead homies' funerals, Aluminum foil on t.v. antennas Little TV sit on top the big TV eatin TV dinners, Girls die they hair with kool-aid, They gave us lemons we made lemonade, But this *****'s paid, Ancestry of slaves, Descendant of Kings It's necessary I, Bling, Puts rings on every thing Where Timbs on every scene.
Do I mean it like a slave master? ******! No! I'm gangsta Gotta eat rappers! My abbreviation Was young when I caught the cases, That should mean the court could see my changes Take off the bracelets, Savage when broke, Smoke sour diesel Need no Bo-flex My chest still cut-up like a bag of dope, Thought patterns consist of boss matters, Spit Moses' "Lost Commandments" Like a gross sandwich out my mouth. Toast to government cameras Peepin us every week I must have my cars homes & phones Squeaked for bugs, But this is what I was dreamin of, Between cutting hard coke with new razors Slicing my fingers up, They use to string us up, We wanted everything, But the one bringing us cake be the snakes Like the... Like the New Jack City wedding scene No time for mistakes trying to get it like
My nig... Whattup my nig? People afraid of criticism But I always put myself in a sacrificial position! They been know I ain't just rappin for fame, I got my old homie Yep! I'd give this cash up This paper don't matter They seen me from skinny to fatter When I rap about war, They got the tendency to scatter, They ain't my backup no more, So now my enemies are at my front door, Cause any time we mention Our condition, our history or existence, They calling it reverse racism, Still till today the street's torn, My brother Jungle always have a seat for 'em Not behind me - beside me You'll always know where to find me, They say the close ones will hurt you, So let's keep a small circle, On the road to riches, and diamond rings In the land of the blind The man with one eye is the king.
Poem by African gangsta poet, the politically persecuted Nas, reflecting on the use and meaning of the word and the implications of being a black man in America today. I think this thread needs the perspective of a real, proud black man. Too many whiteboys up in here talking ****
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg [multiple snips] It's called CONTEXT. Context means you can use the word in a joke and it might be funny. [...] The original poster didn't even call the other people racist. He simply stated he was disappointed with their attitude and use of the word.
He specifically said, and I quote...
Quote: [...]one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant.
So, IN CONTEXT, it is relatively quite probable it was not initially meant to be offensive at all (for all we know, both speakers could have been black, or both could have been white and unaware any blacks were listening, or not cared at all about the race of any listeners), and that fact was sort of pointed out to him. The eventual "racist rant" could have been very well been taken verbatim from non-racist posts in this very thread, which the OP could have been misinterpreting as racist, fueling increasingly vitriolic responses as a result of his offense over something that was not meant as offensive. How's that for a probable scenario ?
Not understanding the context when using volcanic words is the reason why using these words upsets people in the first place. It could've been misinterpreted. Exactly. We don't know. That's what happens when people you don't know are using offensive words indiscriminately. That's what happens when you can't quickly grasp the setting, context, person or intention behind it. You get upset, defensive or offended. Which is probably why this person said he thought it was inappropriate to use in the first place. It's a dangerous game when you dealing with people you don't know well. I wasn't there. Maybe the "offender" went on an ACTUAL racist rant. Do you think that's appropriate or that it was meant as joke? Who knows. That's the problem here. If it's a joke, it's a joke but on the internet you can't really grasp that. That's why a person could easily be offended by offensive language. Being offended by it is not inappropriate. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Originally by: Rpeg Being offended by it is not inappropriate.
True. But then again, if it wasn't directed at you at all in the first place, and you were asked to drop it due to that by people that DO know better than you what the context is, if you keep pressing the matter to impose your viewpoint that any usage of the word is inappropriate in your presence, wouldn't you say THAT is a tiny bit inappropriate too ?
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Rpeg
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Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:09:07
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg Being offended by it is not inappropriate.
True. But then again, if it wasn't directed at you at all in the first place, and you were asked to drop it due to that by people that DO know better than you what the context is, if you keep pressing the matter to impose your viewpoint that any usage of the word is inappropriate in your presence, wouldn't you say THAT is a tiny bit inappropriate too ?
That depends on tons of factors. Social norms, decency, politeness, who's in charge, what type of group or social setting they desire, etc. The fact that someone responded with a "racist rant" suggests they had no interest in resolving this issue politely. They could've just told the guy to leave and left it at that. I barely think it's inappropriate to request things like that in any social setting. At the same time the group or leader has the option to deny their request. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Johan Moisander
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Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg [multiple snips] It's called CONTEXT. Context means you can use the word in a joke and it might be funny. [...] The original poster didn't even call the other people racist. He simply stated he was disappointed with their attitude and use of the word.
He specifically said, and I quote...
Quote: [...]one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant.
So, IN CONTEXT, it is relatively quite probable it was not initially meant to be offensive at all (for all we know, both speakers could have been black, or both could have been white and unaware any blacks were listening, or not cared at all about the race of any listeners), and that fact was sort of pointed out to him. The eventual "racist rant" could have been very well been taken verbatim from non-racist posts in this very thread, which the OP could have been misinterpreting as racist, fueling increasingly vitriolic responses as a result of his offense over something that was not meant as offensive. How's that for a probable scenario ?
Not understanding the context when using volcanic words is the reason why using these words upsets people in the first place. It could've been misinterpreted. Exactly. We don't know. That's what happens when people you don't know are using offensive words indiscriminately. That's what happens when you can't quickly grasp the setting, context, person or intention behind it. You get upset, defensive or offended. Which is probably why this person said he thought it was inappropriate to use in the first place. It's a dangerous game when you dealing with people you don't know well. I wasn't there. Maybe the "offender" went on an ACTUAL racist rant. Do you think that's appropriate or that it was meant as joke? Who knows. That's the problem here. If it's a joke, it's a joke but on the internet you can't really grasp that. That's why a person could easily be offended by offensive language. Being offended by it is not inappropriate.
You're too focused on this one specific instance. Instead you got to ask yourself, what does the word mean to me? What does it mean to others, what does it really mean spiritually, physically, mentally? Maybe a ***** is someone who is truly liberated, one who walks with god, tortured, bloodied and held in slavery for over 400 years, yet unbowed, proud, unrelenting. A warrior soul that can never be broken or tamed, taken from his home and his family, forced to take up arms against the system, yet undefeated and ready for the final struggle? Being a ***** can be something beautiful. You're too focused on whether other white people get offended when you use the word, and why are you saying being a ***** is a bad thing? I think if anything that's racist of you.
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Rpeg
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:16:46 Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:15:54
Originally by: Johan Moisander
You're too focused on this one specific instance. Instead you got to ask yourself, what does the word mean to me? What does it mean to others, what does it really mean spiritually, physically, mentally? Maybe a ***** is someone who is truly liberated, one who walks with god, tortured, bloodied and held in slavery for over 400 years, yet unbowed, proud, unrelenting. A warrior soul that can never be broken or tamed, taken from his home and his family, forced to take up arms against the system, yet undefeated and ready for the final struggle? Being a ***** can be something beautiful. You're too focused on whether other white people get offended when you use the word, and why are you saying being a ***** is a bad thing? I think if anything that's racist of you.
No. I'm not.
I've been arguing about the ambiguity and possibilities of many contexts (meanings) and the discomfort and historical baggage that can come with it. I haven't touched the positive meanings but you still (unfortunately) rarely come across that use of the term.
You don't know me so I shouldn't be annoyed by your post but you're stating the obvious to me.
And no, having a understanding of the meanings of N!gger is not "racist" of me. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:17:00 -
[168]
Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the technicalities//details, because I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:19:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Akita T Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the technicalities//details, because I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?
No, I think people should be allowed to use it. People just need to use it carefully, wisely and communicate why they're using it. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:22:00 -
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I think too many people get distracted by "Black people say it, why can't white people?" and don't realize that arguing one way or another is irrelevant.
Hip hop has a big cultural influence, especially on the young. The "n-word" is common in hip hop music. White kids, influenced by the culture of rap/hip hop, are getting more and more comfortable using the word casually. You can't impose a strong cultural influence on people and not expect them to adopt some of it.
So, yes, rap, not racism, is to blame for the revival of the n-word. That's probably something rappers should have thought of before they turned it into casual slang.
You can argue context all day, but put responsibility where it belongs.
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Sajad
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:22:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?
No, I think people should be allowed to use it.
See my point?
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Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:22:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander
You're too focused on this one specific instance. Instead you got to ask yourself, what does the word mean to me? What does it mean to others, what does it really mean spiritually, physically, mentally? Maybe a ***** is someone who is truly liberated, one who walks with god, tortured, bloodied and held in slavery for over 400 years, yet unbowed, proud, unrelenting. A warrior soul that can never be broken or tamed, taken from his home and his family, forced to take up arms against the system, yet undefeated and ready for the final struggle? Being a ***** can be something beautiful. You're too focused on whether other white people get offended when you use the word, and why are you saying being a ***** is a bad thing? I think if anything that's racist of you.
No. I'm not.
I've been arguing about the ambiguity and possibilities of many contexts (meanings) and the discomfort and historical baggage that can come with it.
You don't know me so I shouldn't be annoyed by your post but you're stating the obvious to me.
Why are you acting condescending towards me because I brought up being black doesn't have to be a negative thing? Some of the greatest inventors, leaders, fighters and gangsters have been black. Look up people like George Washington Carver, Bumpy Johnson, Melvin Williams, Ricky Ross, Larry Hoover for some great black men!! You don't have to add (meanings) after you write contexts, I know the word, I'm not ignorant. I don't think you understand my point that being black is a great thing, I'm not just talking about "another context" of the word, I'm talking about the ACTUAL TRUTH of it.
You should try to be more open minded and understand that not all people secretely want to act or appear or write white!! If you're ignorant of what I mean you should ask instead of acting condescending.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:25:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?
No, I think people should be allowed to use it.
See my point?
What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Sajad
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:26:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?
No, I think people should be allowed to use it.
See my point?
What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.
My point is that neither of you understands the other's argument. And apparently you don't understand mine either.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:31:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the technicalities//details, because I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?
No, I think people should be allowed to use it. People just need to use it carefully, wisely and communicate why they're using it.
So, if I am a white guy (or a black guy with a "white voice", if you think you can tell skin colour by voice but never bothered to make my skin colour known), and the atmosphere in the chat is friendly, it's perfectly fine if I start a karaoke session of a n-word-heavy rap song ? Or do I have to ask before in chat "hey, is anybody here black?" or "would you guys mind if I sang a song using the actual words used by the original songwriter" ? Hey, what if I claimed I was a black person myself ? Would I have to ask for permission ? What if I really am a black person, would I have to do that for fear of offending black people that don't know I'm black ? Would I have to keep broadcasting my skin colour over the voice comms every time somebody new joins, just so they wouldn't be offended ? How much more ridiculous can those multiple standards of usage get anyway ? No, better nobody uses and that's that.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:32:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Rpeg
What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.
Regardless, the reality is this: the more you use the word in casual conversation and art the more acceptable it becomes for everyone to use. It becomes "normal" slang.
If you don't want to hear it, stop using it and eventually it'll become taboo again.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:34:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Sajad I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?
No, I think people should be allowed to use it.
See my point?
What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.
My point is that neither of you understands the other's argument. And apparently you don't understand mine either.
No, I understand your argument I'm sorry for pretending I didn't. Your argument is stupid. Why shouldn't people be allowed to use the word? Yeah, we still need to deal with issues of contextual meaning but why shouldn't anyone be allowed to use it? Mind you, I've not once suggested it's racist for non-blacks to use it. I've suggested that they run the risk of offending if the context of their usage is not clear or interpreted as negative*. I've suggested that THAT RISK is something a person needs to accept and it applies to many cultures in many circumstances.
*If you're upset that some people automatically assume it's negative, that's a separate issue. It's wrong to always assume it's negative but don't be ignorant enough to think that some people wont become confused, uncomfortable or come with baggage causing them to assume negative meaning. That's where communicating your intentions comes into play. Unfortunately some people are not open to that. That's unfortunate but that's not what I'm talking about here. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:35:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Sajad My point is that neither of you understands the other's argument. And apparently you don't understand mine either.
I understand his assumptions but apparently disagree with his conclusions
Originally by: Jada Maroo Regardless, the reality is this: the more you use the word in casual conversation and art the more acceptable it becomes for everyone to use. It becomes "normal" slang. If you don't want to hear it, stop using it and eventually it'll become taboo again.
Bingo.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:36:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the technicalities//details, because I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?
No, I think people should be allowed to use it. People just need to use it carefully, wisely and communicate why they're using it.
So, if I am a white guy (or a black guy with a "white voice", if you think you can tell skin colour by voice but never bothered to make my skin colour known), and the atmosphere in the chat is friendly, it's perfectly fine if I start a karaoke session of a n-word-heavy rap song ? Or do I have to ask before in chat "hey, is anybody here black?" or "would you guys mind if I sang a song using the actual words used by the original songwriter" ? Hey, what if I claimed I was a black person myself ? Would I have to ask for permission ? What if I really am a black person, would I have to do that for fear of offending black people that don't know I'm black ? Would I have to keep broadcasting my skin colour over the voice comms every time somebody new joins, just so they wouldn't be offended ? How much more ridiculous can those multiple standards of usage get anyway ? No, better nobody uses and that's that.
Yeah, I'm going to assume you're twelve.
If you went sang an n-word heavy rap song no matter what your background is, i would assume it's all in good fun. I could be wrong but that's how I would approach. Some people would approach it differently. Grow up. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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[180]
Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 03:41:29
Originally by: Rpeg If you're upset that some people automatically assume it's negative, that's a separate issue.
That's actually the ONLY issue I was ever talking about, and I have been stating that much repeatedly.
Quote: It's wrong to always assume it's negative but don't be ignorant enough to think that some people wont become confused, uncomfortable or come with baggage causing them to assume negative meaning.
And in that particular case, if your assumption that the n-word can be used in some circumstances has any merit, I would expect them to chill the hell up when they're told it was not meant like they might have suspected it was used.
P.S. The OP didn't. And that's how the events that lead to the creation of this thread got started.
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Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:39:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Johan Moisander on 21/08/2010 03:40:37
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita
What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.
My point is that neither of you understands the other's argument. And apparently you don't understand mine either.
Rpeg doesn't seem to understand much... damnat non quad intellegent... (plato)
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:41:00 -
[182]
Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:41:35
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 03:39:25
Originally by: Rpeg If you're upset that some people automatically assume it's negative, that's a separate issue.
That's actually the ONLY issue I was ever talking about, and I have been stating that much repeatedly.
Quote: It's wrong to always assume it's negative but don't be ignorant enough to think that some people wont become confused, uncomfortable or come with baggage causing them to assume negative meaning.
And in that particular case, if your assumption that the n-word can be used in some circumstances is valid, I would expect them to chill the hell up when they're told it was not meant offensively.
P.S. The OP didn't. And that's how this thread got started.
IT'S A FALSE AND MANIPULATIVE ASSUMPTION. I KNOW IT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. EVERYONE HERE ACTS LIKE ALL BLACK PEOPLE GO AROUND CALLING EVERYONE RACIST IF THE WORD IS UTTERED. READ MY WORDS AND LEAVE YOU ASSUMPTIONS AT THE DOOR KID. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Sajad
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Originally by: Rpeg Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:41:35 IT'S A FALSE AND MANIPULATIVE ASSUMPTION. I KNOW IT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. EVERYONE HERE ACTS LIKE ALL BLACK PEOPLE GO AROUND CALLING EVERYONE RACIST IF THE WORD IS UTTERED. READ MY WORDS AND LEAVE YOU ASSUMPTIONS AT THE DOOR KID.
U mad bro?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:44:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 03:45:14
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg If you're upset that some people automatically assume it's negative, that's a separate issue.
That's actually the ONLY issue I was ever talking about, and I have been stating that much repeatedly.
Quote: It's wrong to always assume it's negative but don't be ignorant enough to think that some people wont become confused, uncomfortable or come with baggage causing them to assume negative meaning.
And in that particular case, if YOUR assumption that the n-word can be used in some circumstances is valid, I would expect them to chill the hell up when they're told it was not meant offensively. P.S. The OP didn't. And that's how this thread got started.
IT'S A FALSE AND MANIPULATIVE ASSUMPTION. I KNOW IT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. EVERYONE HERE ACTS LIKE ALL BLACK PEOPLE GO AROUND CALLING EVERYONE RACIST IF THE WORD IS UTTERED. READ MY WORDS AND LEAVE YOU ASSUMPTIONS AT THE DOOR KID.
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Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:44:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Rpeg Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:41:35
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 03:39:25
Originally by: Rpeg If you're upset that some people automatically assume it's negative, that's a separate issue.
That's actually the ONLY issue I was ever talking about, and I have been stating that much repeatedly.
Quote: It's wrong to always assume it's negative but don't be ignorant enough to think that some people wont become confused, uncomfortable or come with baggage causing them to assume negative meaning.
And in that particular case, if your assumption that the n-word can be used in some circumstances is valid, I would expect them to chill the hell up when they're told it was not meant offensively.
P.S. The OP didn't. And that's how this thread got started.
IT'S A FALSE AND MANIPULATIVE ASSUMPTION. I KNOW IT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. EVERYONE HERE ACTS LIKE ALL BLACK PEOPLE GO AROUND CALLING EVERYONE RACIST IF THE WORD IS UTTERED. READ MY WORDS AND LEAVE YOU ASSUMPTIONS AT THE DOOR KID.
mmm you've obviously NEVER MET BLACK PEOPLE if you think you can go around calling them ******... jackass
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:48:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Johan Moisander
Rpeg doesn't seem to understand much... damnat non quad intellegent... (plato)
I understand more than you realize. if you'd like to learn more of what I understand we can talk more about this.
estevancarlos.com
You can contact me through there and try to give me your little bits of wisdom. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:50:00 -
[187]
where do I type? all I see is pictures in like spanish or something
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:50:00 -
[188]
I love taboo words, its like telling someone not to think of polar bears. Or passing and amendment to a constitution making alcohol illegal. Or like that time that guy said something should be forbidden and then everyone wanted to do it. Are you seeing the pattern here? Are you seeing why making this a big deal ensures that it will continue to not go away?
Nah, never mind, forget it. I'm just being insensitive.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:51:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium I love taboo words, its like telling someone not to think of polar bears. Or passing and amendment to a constitution making alcohol illegal. Or like that time that guy said something should be forbidden and then everyone wanted to do it. Are you seeing the pattern here? Are you seeing why making this a big deal ensures that it will continue to not go away? Nah, never mind, forget it. I'm just being insensitive.
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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[190]
Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:53:23
Originally by: Johan Moisander mmm you've obviously NEVER MET BLACK PEOPLE if you think you can go around calling them ******... jackass
And this is the problem. The problem is those who throw the racist accusation out callously and those who stereotype all black people as doing the same thing. If you're approaching this discussion with that attitude, that's your fault. I've never once accused anyone here of being racist. Take note of that. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:54:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Johan Moisander
Originally by: Rpeg stuff
you've obviously NEVER MET BLACK PEOPLE
He lives in a world with no mirrors !
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Sajad
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Originally by: Rpeg If you're approaching this discussion with attitude, that's your fault.
You have played EVE, haven't you?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 03:57:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Sajad You have played EVE, haven't you?
I hear that game attracts all sorts of unsavory individuals, I wouldn't be caught dead in their company, so I avoid that game like the plague
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Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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[194]
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander
Rpeg doesn't seem to understand much... damnat non quad intellegent... (plato)
I understand more than you realize. if you'd like to learn more of what I understand we can talk more about this.
estevancarlos.com
You can contact me through there and try to give me your little bits of wisdom.
ok... looking through your website im a little disturbed, whats this supposed to be a gang mural? http://estevancarlos.com/?p=247
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:00:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Johan Moisander
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander
Rpeg doesn't seem to understand much... damnat non quad intellegent... (plato)
I understand more than you realize. if you'd like to learn more of what I understand we can talk more about this.
estevancarlos.com
You can contact me through there and try to give me your little bits of wisdom.
ok... looking through your website im a little disturbed, whats this supposed to be a gang mural? http://estevancarlos.com/?p=247
It's my artwork. Yes, I suppose some people find it disturbing. Let's save criticizing my artwork for another thread. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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[196]
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander
Rpeg doesn't seem to understand much... damnat non quad intellegent... (plato)
I understand more than you realize. if you'd like to learn more of what I understand we can talk more about this.
estevancarlos.com
You can contact me through there and try to give me your little bits of wisdom.
ok... looking through your website im a little disturbed, whats this supposed to be a gang mural? http://estevancarlos.com/?p=247
It's my artwork. Yes, I suppose some people find it disturbing. Let's save criticizing my artwork for another thread.
well we can continue discussing africanism here cuz im not giving some mexican narcotraficante my email address
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:04:00 -
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So wait a sec, you were black a couple of pages ago, now you're a mexican ? _
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Originally by: Johan Moisander well we can continue discussing africanism here cuz im not giving some mexican narcotraficante my email address
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean but that narco is me. I'm estevan. I'm black and mexican. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 21/08/2010 04:06:15 I am offended by this thread dammit! I'm going to petition it for "stupidity, ignoance and cruelty to...to...to...well someone really important.
I wonder if people offended by the "N" word and feel that caucasians not getting upset by "cracker", "white-boy", "white bread sucka", "honky", "white-devil", etc...have ever figured out that instead of them not being equally offensive to caucasians...it just not as big a deal to them as the "N" word.
<que dramatic music>
I mean...Im Irish and believe me there are plenty of "offensive" names heaped on top of the fact that I'm caucasian, guess what...
ITS NOT A BIG DEAL...GET OVER IT!
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan Blacklight Inc. Fleet Defense Command
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Sajad
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[200]
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander well we can continue discussing africanism here cuz im not giving some mexican narcotraficante my email address
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean but that narco is me. I'm estevan. I'm black and mexican.
He's blaxican
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Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander well we can continue discussing africanism here cuz im not giving some mexican narcotraficante my email address
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean but that narco is me. I'm estevan. I'm black and mexican.
Africans were never oppressed in mexico like they were in America because all mexicans are mixed, so it's no wonder you don't understand truly understand our struggle. Show some pride, white people do it, so can we!!
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 04:08:50
Originally by: Syn Callibri I wonder if people offended by the "N" word and feel that caucasians not getting upset by "cracker", "white-boy", "white bread sucka", "honky", "white-devil", etc...have ever figured out that instead of them not being equally offensive to caucasians...it just not as big a deal to them as the "N" word.
Now that you mention it, I am having difficulty imagining a word that describes "my race" (whatever you call generic white people) that I would find offensive (even mildly). Somebody, quick, refresh my memory !
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Rpeg
Minmatar Rosa Castellum
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Originally by: Syn Callibri Edited by: Syn Callibri on 21/08/2010 04:06:15 I am offended by this thread dammit!
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 04:12:20
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Syn Callibri I am offended by this thread dammit!
Get over it.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Originally by: Johan Moisander
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander well we can continue discussing africanism here cuz im not giving some mexican narcotraficante my email address
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean but that narco is me. I'm estevan. I'm black and mexican.
Africans were never oppressed in mexico like they were in America because all mexicans are mixed, so it's no wonder you don't understand truly understand our struggle. Show some pride, white people do it, so can we!!
Hey genius, I have a little history lesson for you. During the time when the railroads were being construted from coast to coast there were three oppressed cultures...the "african americans" (most of which were actually Haitian-amaericans btw), the chinese, and the Irish. The "workers of color" were at the bottom rung of the social ladder and guess what...the Chinese and Irish were fighting it out for the rung below them...So now that the history lesson is over HTFU.
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Johan Moisander
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Edited by: Johan Moisander on 21/08/2010 04:22:05
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Syn Callibri Edited by: Syn Callibri on 21/08/2010 04:06:15 I am offended by this thread dammit!
Get over it.
Seriously you should look into the teachings of Clarence 13x, it really educated my mind and taught me SO much. I used to be self-hating and self destructive etc too, before I realized that we're all sacred man, we're all gods. Alot of young blacks struggle to find meaning and it's so sad when there's so much truth out there if you look for it!!
@ Syn hmmm FORGOT SLAVERY!?!?!
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Sajad
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Hilarious stuff guys.
Keep it coming.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Originally by: Johan Moisander Seriously you should look into the teachings of Clarence 13x, it really educated my mind and taught me SO much. I used to be a self-hating and self destructive etc too, before I realized that we're all sacred man, we're all gods. Alot of young blacks struggle to find meaning and it's so sad when there's so much truth out there if you look for it!!
Hmm... sounds oddly familiar. "When you look long enough into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Only by giving up attachments to old grudges (like, for instance, former racist oppression) can you truly become liberated and be your own man ? And if you insist on holding on to those nasty threads of the past, your risk becoming yourself the oppressor in turn ?
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Syn Callibri Edited by: Syn Callibri on 21/08/2010 04:06:15 I am offended by this thread dammit!
Get over it.
You're still here? Oh my god...
Btw Akita, you're a cracker!
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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I am around 40, but I notice the younger crowd has a major bitter streak against "political correctness" for having it rammed down their throats so much.
Now when you get one of them started they go off an a rant that would make Michael Richards cringe.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 21/08/2010 04:45:47 So this is the new Threadnaught to replace the European Game Awards debacle. If we ever wanted CCP's attention, this is the thread that will be the one that pulls it off.
Snipe
This was not intentional but win again, yay for waitin 20min to go for a smoke before postin.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I am around 40, but I notice the younger crowd has a major bitter streak against "political correctness" for having it rammed down their throats so much.
Now when you get one of them started they go off an a rant that would make Michael Richards cringe.
Ah yes, the reverse taboo effect.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult Btw Akita, you're a cracker!
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:46:00 -
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To the OP, wouldn't the easiest solution be to just mute the offending individual on your TS or Ventrilo. Assuming of course they aren't the FC or something like that.
As Bill O'Reilly said the other night, no one that uses that word gains respect.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga Assuming of course they aren't the FC or something like that.
It _was_ the FC, according to the OP.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stick Cult Btw Akita, you're a cracker!
Graham or cheese ?
... Graham crackers are yummy ...
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:50:00 -
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Imagine if it was the mandatory word for recognizing paternality or authority?
"Mop that floor recruit!" Yes ******!"
"Helm to 508! Aye ****** helm to 508!"
"Greetings ladies and ******s, table for four?"
And in the inevitable post-apocalyptic world of the future, when slavery makes a big come-back,
"You will address me as ******, slave"
And then we will have come full circle...
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium awesome
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.08.21 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: El'Niaga Assuming of course they aren't the FC or something like that.
It _was_ the FC, according to the OP.
OP doesn't identify it as the FC, just that he's told to get over it presumably by the FC I guess which is just as wrong, I'd just mute them and if it was the FC I'd just not fleet up with that FC in the future :)
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga OP doesn't identify it as the FC
Post #10 : Linkage
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Sajad
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stick Cult Btw Akita, you're a cracker!
Graham or cheese ?
Christmas.
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Ghaylenty
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this is no different from making fun of jewish people who throw out their back picking up quarters. theres a word for that too. but jews don't have this problem, because they don't walk around callin each other kykes.
you brought this on yourselves, and i personally have no issues using the word in public. sure its gotten me a few looks sometimes but on the few occasions ive been called out, i said, "this is a conversation between my friends and i. if you are getting offended at the term it is because you are representative of it."
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stick Cult Btw Akita, you're a cracker!
Graham or cheese ?
Christmas.
Now we see the violence inherent in the system, my people have long been oppressed by the heavy hand of the faith-peddlers ! I am offend. I am rage. I am hungry. You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry. I am also yesterday.
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Haruki sensou
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Posted - 2010.08.21 05:11:00 -
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What do a 300 lb woman and a pallet of bricks have in common?
They both take a mexican to get laid.
ba dum tish
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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar Blood Inquisition
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Your playing a game built on races fighting against each other.. and i see racism every day at least in roleplay context..., I dont think its coincidence that Amarr Empire like slaves and Minmatar's as a race are their favorite, and they are opposite skin color.., I think as a whole, their just words in the end. Next time state how you feel and see if they stop, if not make a complaint
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.08.21 05:47:00 -
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Moved from EVE General Discussion as the discussions are no loner EVE related.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.08.21 07:06:00 -
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I ban all racist players from corp and alliance, i can't stand it.
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GeekAlot
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Posted - 2010.08.21 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jonzun Crew I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before). As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now). I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation? I also don't plan of filing a petition. Eve is my 2nd MMO and so my experience is limited.
and when a black guy says the N word to another black guy its oki ? **** of tbh if theres words who get you to cry then log of. people like u make me sick, uhh dont say stuff like that,it hurts my feelings BUHU get over it.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.08.21 07:25:00 -
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Thanks for killin my first snipes Applebabe, I worked hard for those.
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I have never seen the n word used in game, but one word I have seen alot is the f word(meaning homosexual). For some that word is just as bad. When I hear it, I just view the person as an immature ignorant f***(the other f word), and pod them if I can, then move on.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 21/08/2010 09:18:35
Originally by: Joe Phoenix I ban all racist players from corp and alliance, i can't stand it.
Quote: I have never seen the n word used in game, but one word I have seen alot is the f word(meaning homosexual). For some that word is just as bad. When I hear it, I just view the person as an immature ignorant f***(the other f word), and pod them if I can, then move on.
The problem is, 99.99% of the people who say ****** (do a guess what is behind the stars), do not mean it as racist. Sure you can go all worrying and lose sleep that that person is maybe part of the 0.01% who are there out trying to enslave you and your family, but that chance is pretty small.
It is just used as random curse word. Just like *** and gay are also used. Now n**** is not used alot here, so i also dont use it as curse word. But i do sometimes say stuff like: That is so gay. That has nothing to do with discrimination, hell i am in favour of gay rights, gay marriage (am dutch), etc, it is just an expression, deal with it.
60 years ago we had here some unfriendly neighbours over uninvited, the germans. They did a pretty decent job at systematically exterminating certain groups. But NO ONE here who isnt ******ed blames a random german now for it. And getting the slavery with it is really stupid, that happened really long ago, should we also still give a crap about that little war Spain fought against us (80 years long to be precise)?
No history should not be forgotten. But it also should not be abused in these ways. *I* have never owned any slaves. *I* have never discriminated anyone for any reason. So i was not planning to feel responsible for that in any way just because some people long ago who happened to be born in roughly the same area a long time ago did do it.
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Gallente The Scope
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Imagine if it was the mandatory word for recognizing paternality or authority?
"Mop that floor recruit!" Yes ******!"
"Helm to 508! Aye ****** helm to 508!"
"Greetings ladies and ******s, table for four?"
And in the inevitable post-apocalyptic world of the future, when slavery makes a big come-back,
"You will address me as ******, slave"
And then we will have come full circle...
The United ****** College Fund
-because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
thisis a good example of words only having the power you give them.
It's like gays in the 1970s. They didn't know what to be called...***, *****, ladies, fruits, gay....
The word "gay" was actually a slur due to the flamboyant nature of male homosexuals at the time trying to define themselves.
Now "gay" is accepted as the correct term for a homosexuals. I'm waiting for "carpet muncher" to make it big.
News Anchor: "Today in entertainment news, carpet muncher Jodie Foster says she will adopt a child."
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Edited by: Ella C''Tronix on 21/08/2010 12:02:01 I hope I don't step on any toes and that this is read the right way, but the 'racism' card is tired.
Yes, people can be hateful and vile. But wouldn't the world be a better place if we could all just make fun of each other and laugh about it instead of getting all angry and vicious? I mean, it works both ways. People that ARE hateful for whatever reason.. maybe you need to appreciate other people and their flaws and positive attributes as part of a living person just like you.
It is hard to shake bad impressions, I had a problem with a particular race for awhile in life because of a bad experience I had when I was young (a group of people beat me with chains.. rather unsuccessfully but it was enough to make me upset). I find solace in the fact that every group of people on earth has at least one idiot amongst them though and usually many more. None of us are better than the rest and it'd be nice if we could all just laugh about it and enjoy each other.
Also: if language barriers / poor understanding of YOUR language when someone else is trying to speak it / thick accents bother you to the point where you might feel just a bit racist... go live in another country for a few years where they don't speak your language. It changed MY perspective pretty quickly doing that - becoming the minority.
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Quote: I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before). As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now).
i had a similar experience i'm afraid with a corp member a few years ago. i called him out on his use of racist langauge and the context of him saying it. there was a huge arguement on TS coz i would'nt back down and the ****ing **** had the cheek to say i was trolling! i left the corp soon after. the one thing that makes me hesitant about playing online games are the people who use the anonymity of the internet to say stuff they wouldn't dare spout off about face to face. its one thing joking around, but from my experience, people who tend to say this kind of stuff tend to think that way in RL.
my hat off to ya for not quitting and i hope you find a corp free of idiots.
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Haruki sensou
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People need to seriously HTFU, so many people love the crutch of being offended. The only victims of language are those looking to be. Get off that soapbox of indignation and grow a pair.
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Roboplegic
Amarr
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ALL people who use the "N" word or "spear chucker" are ALL virgin american nerd teens/young adaults that try to act hard on computer games i.e. goons/PL
true story.
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Ildryn
X Inc.
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Didn't Africans sell fellow Africans to slavers as well?
So does that mean Black people hate Black people?
When a black person calls another black person ******.
Maybe he is referring to his ancestors. You know, the ones selling their own race.
Black people also never went to Sicily or Italy and killed most of the men and ****d the women...
For being hated as much as they claim they sure have a stupid way of showing they shouldn't be hated...
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Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Edited by: Arianhod on 24/08/2010 01:07:05 Kind of... interesting to read through this. Its easy to see who is from which side of the Atlantic, and in Akitas case who is white and coming from this from the other side of the oppression history... if he really cared about a vendetta against the turks as I understand it.
Hell, my family was from the eastern bit of Germany the allies passed over to what is now Poland and had to march across Europe... but I really don't hate Brits, Yanks, French Russians or the rest because of this or even have an inkling of emotion connected to it.
From this position as a Brit with no connections of my knowledge to the Slave trade of the 18th century, I pose this question.
Is there an african-american community, or is this just a label that people of this description designate themselves or are designated with?
The chasm of culture appears to be quite large, the USSR crumbled before I was born and while racism was rife in Britain in the 1960s (so I am told) it kind of petered out with no actual confrontation like in the US. When I was in high school rap was big and ****** was just another word coming out from the music.
So if to my first question is yes, then why do so many rappers from said community use the word in a passive way, knowing that it will pervade the youth across the spectrum to use it as just another word? Wouldn't it be better for the word to fade into obscurity like Gay has done to the point where it becomes rarer with each generation for such a thing to even be remarkable?
Point in context, this Kraut in the UK
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Edited by: Verrenici on 24/08/2010 12:33:03 Shut up. A hundred years ago you would have been right, but it's 2010 and the only one still segregating is you by assuming being insulted for being black is somehow worse than being insulted for being neurotic, self-centered, poor, gay, jewish, short, fat, a virgin, bald, christian or any of millions of other reasons.
Had you laughed it would have stayed the big joke he intended it to be and everybody would have moved on. But no, you had to be butthurt and he tried to teach you not to be.
Nobody cares you're black but you, now go pick some cotton, darkie.
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Yesh
Unjustified Ancients of MuMu
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No one should have to endure or accept prejudice. People who say 'Harden the F**k up' are just morons who have no idea. OK, so the person saying the N word probably didn't mean it as a racial slur, they were just talking 'street' (in their eyes) in the same way as someone who says 'thats so g.ay' to announce that they think something is very poor isn't homophobic.
But the word is mightier than the sword and some words have derogatory meanings attached no matter how they are used. I'm from Britain and take no offence at being called a 'Brit', but calling someone from Pakistan a 'Pa**i' is offensive. Not because of geographical stuff, but because small minded racists use that word as an insult and a blunt instrument of hate. Think about it. 'Ausie', 'Yank', 'Brit', 'Clog wearing cheese munchers' (for the ducth ) even 'Frog' aren't really that offensive, but although 'N***er' and 'P**ki' are still only derived from abbreviations of a nations name, they are still considered offensive.
The very fact that some words are deemed offensive suggests that racism is still rife no matter how PC we think ourselves to be.
So don't just sit back and take it. Challenge it head on. Don't let the person who said this get away with it.
As to your initial question ... yes this is common in typed convos and voice convos. But most of the time there is no malicious intent to it .. just ignorance to an issue that doesn't affect the person typing/speaking
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Roboplegic
Amarr
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Originally by: Verrenici Edited by: Verrenici on 24/08/2010 12:33:03 Shut up. A hundred years ago you would have been right, but it's 2010 and the only one still segregating is you by assuming being insulted for being black is somehow worse than being insulted for being neurotic, self-centered, poor, gay, jewish, short, fat, a virgin, bald, christian or any of millions of other reasons.
Had you laughed it would have stayed the big joke he intended it to be and everybody would have moved on. But no, you had to be butthurt and he tried to teach you not to be.
Nobody cares you're black but you, now go pick some cotton, darkie.
This guy is a ****.
the poster above me has got it spot on
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Edited by: Verrenici on 24/08/2010 13:26:00
Originally by: Yesh they are still considered offensive.
By who? Think about it. There is no more racism save for words. N***er is only funny (yes, I called it funny) because Blacks get ****y when you say it. The second they stop caring, it stops being a racial slur and starts being just another insult.
Unless you're a hundred and fifty years old, and were lashed for not sitting in the back of the bus, you've never, ever been the victim of real racism. You're just another self-centered douchebag that thinks he should be protected from harassment, without batting an eye when he witnesses it happening to somebody else.
I'll bet you OP wouldn't have given a **** if someone yelled Jew over vent.
Quote: This guy is a ****.
the poster above me has got it spot on
Your logic is flawless. I bet you were the star on your debate team.
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Roboplegic
Amarr
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And your still a redneck d*ck.
even though a recist remark isn't intended to be offensive, in some cases hardly appropriate. It still has low quality comedy value, unless your a especially good comedian that can use a bit of intellect in the insults, i would avoid it unless you want to look like a low IQ american redneck 6-fingered illiterate pidgin english speaking d*ck. Something which comes quite naturally for you lot
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Verrenici
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Originally by: Roboplegic And your still a redneck d*ck.
even though a recist remark isn't intended to be offensive, in some cases hardly appropriate. It still has low quality comedy value, unless your a especially good comedian that can use a bit of intellect in the insults, i would avoid it unless you want to look like a low IQ american redneck 6-fingered illiterate pidgin english speaking d*ck. Something which comes quite naturally for you lot
I'm Jewish and live in the Netherlands. Also
Quote: your a especially [...] low IQ american redneck 6-fingered illiterate
Thumbs up, you're clearly on the high end of the intellectual bell-curve.
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Roboplegic
Amarr
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Originally by: Verrenici
I'm Jewish and live in the Netherlands.
Your not doing any favours for yourself then.
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Originally by: Roboplegic Your not doing any favours for yourself then.
For someone who claims to dislike illiterates, you sure suck at reading comprehension.
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Originally by: Verrenici Edited by: Verrenici on 24/08/2010 13:26:00
Originally by: Yesh they are still considered offensive.
By who? Think about it. There is no more racism save for words. N***er is only funny (yes, I called it funny) because Blacks get ****y when you say it. The second they stop caring, it stops being a racial slur and starts being just another insult.
Unless you're a hundred and fifty years old, and were lashed for not sitting in the back of the bus, you've never, ever been the victim of real racism. You're just another self-centered douchebag that thinks he should be protected from harassment, without batting an eye when he witnesses it happening to somebody else.
I'll bet you OP wouldn't have given a **** if someone yelled Jew over vent.
Quote: This guy is a ****.
the poster above me has got it spot on
Your logic is flawless. I bet you were the star on your debate team.
Can't agree with you here. OK I haven't been the victim of racism (being white and all), but I have seen its effects. I was staying in Blackpool and was walking back to my hotel when two white thugs started on an a pakistani guy in the street. The only reason they abused then attacked him was cos of the colour of his skin. Nothing else. I remember him shouting 'I have done nothing to you' but they still beat him up. I was there. He did nothing wrong except being a colour these two idiots had been taught by their parents to be an affront to what is right to the world.
What did I do? Nothing. I was scared. I was scared that if I intervened I would get my head kicked in. After they swaggered off I ran to see if he was OK. I was sickened that it had happened, but their venomous hatred was so great that I feared for my own safety if I stepped in.
So don't give me some crap about being 150 years old and not being sent to the back of a bus. OK so I was a coward for not stepping in, but racism happens. Violent racism happens. It's not just words that we should 'harden the f**k up' to. It's violence and a deep seated hatred born of ignorance that is our enemy here.
As said, I haven't been the victim of racism, but I have been the victim of prejudice. I'm ga.y and have to endure well meaning jokes about it from people close to me and from work colleagues. If there was no prejudice about it then they wouldn't even feel the need to make jokes. It would be as insignificant as if I prefered cornflakes or wheatabix for breakfast. The fact that I have to type g.ay to get round the filter shows that the word g.ay is considered a foul vile offensive word that needs censoring.
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Originally by: Mister Gimp The fact that I have to type g.ay to get round the filter shows that the word g.ay is considered a foul vile offensive word that needs censoring.
Actually, you don't. Gay. See ? It's the other word (that's also used by brits to call a cigarette) that's censored.
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Mister Gimp The fact that I have to type g.ay to get round the filter shows that the word g.ay is considered a foul vile offensive word that needs censoring.
Actually, you don't. Gay. See ? It's the other word (that's also used by brits to call a cigarette) that's censored.
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Sully Tude
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Originally by: Mister Gimp
The only reason they abused then attacked him was cos of the colour of his skin. Nothing else.
Newsflash: People beat the **** out of people for the hell of it every day. How come when two caucasians beat up another caucasian it's considered just "assault" but if they beat up another race it's suddenly a "hate crime?" People are inherantly jerks and will justify their behaviour any way they can.
Just because someone beats you up while making fun of your skin colour, it doesn't give you the right to claim you're the victim of "racism" and get to have special treatment and run around calling everyone of the same race as your attackers a "racist." It just means you're surrounded by morons. Move somewhere more intelligent. |
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Posted - 2010.08.24 15:58:00 -
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: BrundleMeth on 24/08/2010 16:30:37 Most of the time when people crap about racism, they are pointing their fingers at white people. But after working in a shop with one other white person beside me and 30 ethnic people I saw the worst racism ever coming from them.
Many of the countries like India, Pakistan, Phillipines to this day still have their caste systems. The routinely treat their own people like crap. The dhalits also know as "untouchables" despised by their own people well. The ethnic asians who still have a hate on for what the Japanese did to them during the war. Here in Canada we make fun of "newfies" as being dumb hicks. I had one woman from India when refering to Sikhs laugh at them and said "In my country they are our newfies". I experienced ethic people who lived here in Canada for 30 years or more who REFUSE to learn English. Don't they want to communicate with us? And how many of them who live here decades that still refer to their country of origin as "My country"? They are Canadians of convience.
To hell with the whole whiny bunch of creeps crapping about racists, they should know, they wrote the book about how to practice it.
And as far as people being against gays, that will never change. You are always going to have a segment of the population that are simply disgusted by them and thats how it is...
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Roboplegic
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sully Tude
Originally by: Mister Gimp
The only reason they abused then attacked him was cos of the colour of his skin. Nothing else.
Newsflash: People beat the **** out of people for the hell of it every day. How come when two caucasians beat up another caucasian it's considered just "assault" but if they beat up another race it's suddenly a "hate crime?" People are inherantly jerks and will justify their behaviour any way they can.
Just because someone beats you up while making fun of your skin colour, it doesn't give you the right to claim you're the victim of "racism" and get to have special treatment and run around calling everyone of the same race as your attackers a "racist." It just means you're surrounded by morons. Move somewhere more intelligent.
How dumb are you? where you there? Obviously there are jerks that beat up people just for the hell of it, but that isn't absolute. There are many other reasons a caucasian person would beat up some one from another race, at times it can be classed as an "assault" or a "hate crime". Frankly if someone beats you up while hurling racist slurs at you, you generally accept their actions against you as racist.
You talk like there aren't any people in the world who aren't inherently racist, wake up, or move somewhere more intelligent.
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ceaon
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OP got trolled ppl call each other ****** for the lolz even if they are white
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Sully Tude
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Roboplegic
You talk like there aren't any people in the world who aren't inherently racist, wake up, or move somewhere more intelligent.
No, I'm saying that there aren't MANY people in the world who aren't inherantly jerks, and they use racism as the excuse, not the cause.
What I'm trying to express is that I see far too many stories of people having the blame for an immoral act shifted from them as the dysfunctional individual to "racism in society being the cause," usually by the media.
I once had some Irish-ethnic, British-born guy who grew up in Hong Kong throwing racist remarks at me and telling me I'm nothing but a lousy immigrant despite the fact my family has been born, lived, and died in (and sometimes for) this country for at least three generations. Yes it's not as bad as getting beaten up by him, but I still don't blame his attitude on racism; the guy was just a moron (also, even without those remarks, he was still annoying as hell).
Yes, the world needs to become more tolerant, but I believe it needs to start by ignoring the differences between people. If someone assaults another person, the crime should be treated no differently then if the person was white, black, green or purple. It shouldn't be glorified and blown out of or under proportion just because of some lousy difference in skin pigmentation. All humans are the same, 99% of them are jack-holes. Get over it. |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.08.24 18:16:00 -
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We all sleep under the same stars.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.08.25 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: BrundleMeth on 25/08/2010 00:10:01 I am Canadian born in Canada. I tried to emigrate to the U.S. but I was told clearly I wasn't welcome. It was especially pathetic because my paternal grand parents were born and raised in Minnesota.
I laughed at the polish immigrant who said the U.S. had too many immigrants.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:52:00 -
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hi I`m a pastafarian .... but I never get offended when peopole insult my religion
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Posted - 2010.08.26 11:50:00 -
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I couldn't be arsed to read past page 1 because i see the next 8 pages as utterly useless. Akita T said it VERY well: this kind of situation might have has some sense 30 years ago but NOWADAYS? Get a grip people.
Let me put it this way: are you THAT scandalized when someone calls you a mother****er? You're more affected by someone saying you're black or jew or whatever than them saying you have sexual intercourse with your own mother? This whole racism thing is exactly the same as trolling: it doesn't hurt anyone as long as you don't feed the troll. If people would stop giving such a huge weight to words coming from a total stranger, they would end up having no weight. It is the ones that feel "oppressed" that continue to inflate the impact of words, not the people who use them. Ignore, carry on and he will stop doing it because no one would care.
And of course, all the above apply to verbal "injuries" only. What happened in the past and had a physical and social scale manifestation form is a TOTALLY different story. It doesn't bare any weight on what Jonzun Crew heard on vent.
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Johnny Malloy
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:37:00 -
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Quote: No one should have to endure or accept prejudice. People who say 'Harden the F**k up' are just morons who have no idea. OK, so the person saying the N word probably didn't mean it as a racial slur, they were just talking 'street' (in their eyes) in the same way as someone who says 'thats so g.ay' to announce that they think something is very poor isn't homophobic.
But the word is mightier than the sword and some words have derogatory meanings attached no matter how they are used. I'm from Britain and take no offence at being called a 'Brit', but calling someone from Pakistan a 'Pa**i' is offensive. Not because of geographical stuff, but because small minded racists use that word as an insult and a blunt instrument of hate. Think about it. 'Ausie', 'Yank', 'Brit', 'Clog wearing cheese munchers' (for the ducth ) even 'Frog' aren't really that offensive, but although 'N***er' and 'P**ki' are still only derived from abbreviations of a nations name, they are still considered offensive.
The very fact that some words are deemed offensive suggests that racism is still rife no matter how PC we think ourselves to be.
So don't just sit back and take it. Challenge it head on. Don't let the person who said this get away with it.
As to your initial question ... yes this is common in typed convos and voice convos. But most of the time there is no malicious intent to it .. just ignorance to an issue that doesn't affect the person typing/speaking
/rant off
one of the best posts in this thread tbh. +1
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Roboplegic How dumb are you? where you there? Obviously there are jerks that beat up people just for the hell of it, but that isn't absolute. There are many other reasons a caucasian person would beat up some one from another race, at times it can be classed as an "assault" or a "hate crime". Frankly if someone beats you up while hurling racist slurs at you, you generally accept their actions against you as racist.
You talk like there aren't any people in the world who aren't inherently racist, wake up, or move somewhere more intelligent.
I really like you. You make yourself look like an idiot, you're told why you're an idiot, and four posts later you're back to insulting others for being 'dumb'.
It's like watching Memento, only Guy Pearce has an extra chromosome.
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Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2010.08.26 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Arianhod on 26/08/2010 19:55:02 Might be relevant but there was a segment in the Daily show last night about this particular word. See here for those in the UK.
EDIT - its the one on Wednesday
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 22:24:00 -
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I realize that I am a racist for believing this (according to Jesse Jackson and friends...), but life has taught me to judge people by the content of their character.
"Judging people by the content of their character" means JUDGING them, possibly harshly, if their actions call for it. Nothing touch feelly about it. Celibrating diversity does not even enter the picture, nor should it.
As for the OP, he encountered an idiot who showed poor character. Hopefully he encountered the idiot while the idiot was at his worst, in which case its pretty minor.
Nasty talking idiots on the internet are a sad fact of life (and I'd love to see them all identified with their names posted, like the lady a few posts up who was caught being cruel to a kitten, but I aint holding my breath....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/08/2010 22:59:04
Just the other day someone cut me off in their little **** mobile and I gave him a hand gesture that would typically accompany the words "Go right on ahead". At the next light he stuck his head out the window and said, "Get out of that car ***** and I will kick your ass." I just laughed because ***** was the best thing a black man could come up with to call a white guy.
Words only have as much power as you let them have. I have been called skinhead, ****, white trash, honky, trailer trash, white devil, and numerous others, but I always chalk it up to the ignorance of the one using the words. I have black friends that are cool with me using the word ***** and others that prefer that white people not let the word roll off their tongue.
On the first day I worked with a Division I basketball team they constantly used the word ***** in the training room. The second day I was there I asked a few of them if it was fine for that word to roll off my tongue since I have black friends that are fine with it, and I specifically said ***** when I asked. They all said no. I then said that they are not allowed to use it while in the training room when I am around since if they were using it then it is likely that it will roll out my mouth at some point and if they could not handle that then they need to refrain from using it around me.
Either way I highly suggest reading the following book, ******: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word, by Harvard Law Professor Randall Kennedy.
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Originally by: Digital Solaris sup mah nignogs
LMAO!! That is what I call my roommate from my first year in colleg. Primarily because he is mulatto
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yeah its pretty damn lame but unfortunately it happens when people can say things safely behind a monitor.
I've got a couple of black mates, I say racist stuff to them quite often but only in an ironic manner and never in public. Don't like the "N" word either it just sounds horrible and its pretty impossible to say in a nice or joking way, it just sounds angry.
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Ditch Pig
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Posted - 2010.09.02 00:40:00 -
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This has been going on for a thousand years and will go on for a thousand more. It's not going to change especially here. Life is way to short to worry about the other guys "self-loathing" or being offended by a comment. The funny thing is that you can't control anyones mind, their thoughts are their own. It's very easy to call people vile disgusting things in your head while shaking their hand and smiling.
I never had any problems with black people until I ended up in a city with a lot of them. It didn't take long to see the stereo typical behaviour come out. I learned to avoid them as much as possible.
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