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Time2Whine
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Posted - 2010.08.21 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Time2Whine on 21/08/2010 06:06:27 Bolded important parts, source http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=784.
Quote: Usually, smaller changes get bunched up and released with the coming expansion. This particular change is a little different though, as part of the code is needed for a bugfix, meaning we will be deploying it in the near future instead of this winter. The change we are introducing is going to end ghost datacore accumulation.
I rate datacores a strong buy.
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Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.08.21 06:17:00 -
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you came little late bro. |
Maria Yumeno
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:22:00 -
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This was hinted at a long time ago, ever since the csm minutes were available. It probably won;t affect their prices in the near future, speculation aside, however i still bought up a few months supply, just in case.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.08.21 10:59:00 -
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I have to say that's dumb currently datacores are the easiest thing to get, just train all your alts and forget.If anything prices are not trough the roof at all. knowledge is power |
Quantessa
DRACONIAN COVENANT
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:10:00 -
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It's not dumb. CCP don't want you to be able to play Eve without subscribing.
Currently you could have an account with 3 maxxed out datacore alts on it that you could simply allow the subscription to lapse on, renewing it when you want the money.
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Grozen .If anything prices are not trough the roof at all.
Some argue prices were / are low because of the ghost accumulation of RP and the consequenting stocks being offloaded in the market.
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Bela'flek
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Posted - 2010.08.21 16:07:00 -
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Plex will go up 1% as ghost accumulators reactivate and collect cores.
Inventory as a result will increase, few will dump, expecting the price to rise.
If the price DOES stay up, datacore alts will be subbed, and crosstrained.
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Covert Kitty
Amarr ISK Solutions SRS.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 16:17:00 -
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That change isn't going to change much of anything price wise, (aside from possible manipulation, etc). However I very much doubt many datacores overall get dumped into the market via ghost accounts, you would have to be one hell of a mission ***** to make a number of extra accounts for the sole purpose of grinding their research agents up....
I have no doubt that some do this, but proportionately it has to be a minute amount of the pie.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.08.21 16:56:00 -
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If anything the price on cores will go down... Think about it for a second before you blindly jump on a PRICE HIKE!!!
Datacores are not available until you collect them. Which means they are not on the market which means their scarcity is higher then when they are on the market.
The CCP is putting an END to it non-subbed harvesting that means people will eventually collect them. Notice CCP said "Put an end to ghost-datacore accumulation" not "Put an end to and remove any datacores accumulated by this method."
Which means the hundreds of millions of points currently accumulated are not going anywhere. I doubt everyone who has an alt and accumulating three characters worth are going to cash in all at once, but people will sub once, collect the cores, dual-box PVE for a the rest of the time then never sub again.
The sheer influx of datacores from people who can cash them in at any time means their scarcity is going to DECREASE, when they want their ISK, more supply cheaper price.. This will most likely keep them low for a fair while. Sure manipulators will attempt a price hike, but that's the problem. As manipulators jack the price, these people holding hundreds of thousands if not millions of datacores which they got for LITERALLY FREE, will dump their inventory.
Unless you're on the market at the right time when a manipulator attempts to jack the price you're looking at a very difficult road of profits. You're competing with a MOUNTAIN of FREE DATACORES from thousands of characters when you paid for your comparable backpack size inventory.
Good luck, I'm staying out of this one. After all I know person who has six datacore alts who have been harvesting level 4 agents for over two years and never cashed them in. I doubt he is the only one..
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:12:00 -
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At current prices my main account just about covers cost of PLEX, I earn about 275M ISK a month. I haven't actually cash the DC's yet, just theoretically I could buy PLEX'es.
Watch for a major dump of DC's in the near future. If DC farming were to become profitable then PLEX prices would have to rise, as it only works by subbing the account.
What it does mean is that dormant accounts have less value and even less reason to be reactivated.
I see a price drop at first, then a decent climb. When prices get higher then expect a mass influx of dormant account who didn't cash out and then dump price again. Market won't be stable for a long time.
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.21 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS After all I know person who has six datacore alts who have been harvesting level 4 agents for over two years and never cashed them in. I doubt he is the only one..
I only have 3 alts with 6 level 4 research agents each but since two of them are in a wh, DC's are too low to make it worth my time to go get my years worth. And I agree with the below assesment. Once prices of DC's go up enough then I'll make time to go get them.
Originally by: cosmoray I see a price drop at first, then a decent climb. When prices get higher then expect a mass influx of dormant account who didn't cash out and then dump price again. Market won't be stable for a long time.
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Research Monkey1
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Posted - 2010.08.21 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray At current prices my main account just about covers cost of PLEX, I earn about 275M ISK a month. I haven't actually cash the DC's yet, just theoretically I could buy PLEX'es.
Watch for a major dump of DC's in the near future. If DC farming were to become profitable then PLEX prices would have to rise, as it only works by subbing the account.
What it does mean is that dormant accounts have less value and even less reason to be reactivated.
I see a price drop at first, then a decent climb. When prices get higher then expect a mass influx of dormant account who didn't cash out and then dump price again. Market won't be stable for a long time.
You are assuming 1/2 of the people will cash in their RP at the same time and all sell together (at any price) when the patch hits, what would make them do this rather than just "when they need the isk"? Also assuming that most peeps actually bother reading the Dev blogs.
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Time2Whine
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Posted - 2010.08.21 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Time2Whine on 21/08/2010 21:35:34 The blog pretty clearly states that accumulated datacores won't be lost. If anything in the short term it's more logical to hold off until at least the moment ghost accumulation ends so as to not risk wasting cores generated after resub expiration. From there I see no motivation to dump them any sooner than when you need the ISK or have another use for the dormant account. They're not going anywhere and value is only going to increase in the long term with diminished supply.
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Zea Aestria
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Posted - 2010.08.22 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
The CCP is putting an END to it non-subbed harvesting that means people will eventually collect them. Notice CCP said "Put an end to ghost-datacore accumulation" not "Put an end to and remove any datacores accumulated by this method."
Which means the hundreds of millions of points currently accumulated are not going anywhere. I doubt everyone who has an alt and accumulating three characters worth are going to cash in all at once, but people will sub once, collect the cores, dual-box PVE for a the rest of the time then never sub again.
It makes sense to me that a character accumulates RPs "in real time" when that character (or maybe that account) is logged in. When logged out, it would make sense that the database does not update RPs in real time, and that the RPs get "caught up" upon logging in the next time.
So, say an account is unsubbed. I would guess that RPs are not being accumulated in real time. If the account is resubbed now and the characters logged in, the datacore farmer gets all the accumulated RP and can cash in on the datacores.
But, say the account gets resubbed after the "nerf ghost datacore farming" change goes live. Will all of the accumulated RPs (that were presumably not updated in real time) from before the nerf went live also accrue to the benefit of the datacore farming characters? Or will the datacore farmer be disappointed? The answer is not clear to me from the dev blog.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zea Aestria Will all of the accumulated RPs (that were presumably not updated in real time) from before the nerf went live also accrue to the benefit of the datacore farming characters? Or will the datacore farmer be disappointed? The answer is not clear to me from the dev blog.
It doesn't spell out that exact scenario, true, but considering how other things work (in particular skill training) the most likely outcome will be that everybody gets all the ghost-accumulated datacores up to the day the patch goes live (probably even 3 extra days of grace period, just like skills).
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.08.23 11:20:00 -
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This had to be done, the sooner the better.
Further i expect everybodys farming alts being activated to collect ghost cores. Prices will drop fast.
And when the stock is sold (used), and only god and ccp will know how large this stock might be, market will come stable at "some" higher core prices.
Just my two cents.
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Drexciyian
The Water Margin Tech
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Posted - 2010.08.23 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bela'flek Plex will go up 1% as ghost accumulators reactivate and collect cores.
Inventory as a result will increase, few will dump, expecting the price to rise.
If the price DOES stay up, datacore alts will be subbed, and crosstrained.
Buying a plex wouldnt be very smart
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:41:00 -
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It's a good think I just returned to Eve and isked in 700mil worth of datacores (450k of rp). Would have bee a shame to loose those hard earned rp's Stop whining. |
eleven fiftynine
The Shadow Government
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Posted - 2010.08.24 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Drexciyian
Originally by: Bela'flek Plex will go up 1% as ghost accumulators reactivate and collect cores.
Inventory as a result will increase, few will dump, expecting the price to rise.
If the price DOES stay up, datacore alts will be subbed, and crosstrained.
Buying a plex wouldnt be very smart
Correct, you can't active an expired account with a PLEX, only GTCs.
GTCs will see a small spike in price which will punch PLEX up a tad.
DCs overall, in theory, will roller coaster up and down trying to find a quisi-equilibrium between cost to reactivate (GTC cost) and potential value of ghosted RP. As more and more people cash out prices will steadily rise on DCs, but I don't think we will be seeing much more than a 10-15% overall increase over time-- it is 99.9% passive income after all.
Not sure what the exact numbers would be as not all datacores are the same, the balance should come out around the averages
(PLEX Cost / (Avg number of Agents (4) / Avg RP per day) / AVg number of RP chars per account / Avg RP cost per DC)
Using the equation above, you'll see why i'll just leave it to the market and assume their will still be a cap on the price of DCs.
I would assume the character bazzar prices for datacore alts will plummet though.
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Riho
Gallente Drop of Blood
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Posted - 2010.08.24 16:10:00 -
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it seems the markets have reacted abit allready to this.
today when i bought my usual worth of DCs... it cost quite abit more than the previous loads. not much but its a difference.
will see how it goes :) ---------------------------------- Fighting for something
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Jessica Verne
Dawn of a new Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.24 19:43:00 -
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yup, prices need to rise on DC till people start reactivating accounts.
Expect a panic reactivation and quick DC crash for people who can't read and think by 'fixing' it they will loose already accumulated RP. Wait-- forget I said that
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.08.24 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 24/08/2010 23:09:09 if i had a dormant account for DC i would reactivate it now to collect all, and be able to sell at the good time. don't forget reactivating don't mean you have to sell at this moment, you can collect and sell it months later.
however we may saw lots of new offers on the characters bazar, with guy trying to sell theres dormants now useless, to get some more isks from then ^^
hope this patch will raise the price, so i will have a reason leveling the standing of my alts for "free" future plex ^^
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.24 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En don't forget reactivating don't mean you have to sell at this moment, you can collect and sell it months later.
That would mean reactivating twice though, so prices would have to increase a lot during those months to justify that.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.08.25 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En if i had a dormant account for DC i would reactivate it now to collect all, and be able to sell at the good time.
I would wait until after the RP accumulation has been stopped for dormant accounts. Then at some point in the future, when datacores have risen in price, activate the account, get the datacores, and start slow-selling the datacores into the rising market.
The datacore market is already being flooded regularly by folks who wait a couple of months between datacore collecting runs and insist on listing all their thousands of cores in the same station on the same day.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.08.25 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Raid'En don't forget reactivating don't mean you have to sell at this moment, you can collect and sell it months later.
That would mean reactivating twice though, so prices would have to increase a lot during those months to justify that.
why twice ? you mean to collect and to sell ? of course not, you reactivate, you take all and transfer to the active account, and that's all, no need to use the account after
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Femaref
Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.08.25 02:10:00 -
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Quote: Correct, you can't active an expired account with a PLEX, only GTCs.
You can write a petition to ccp asking to get a free day to buy a plex for that char.
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