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Tattersail Chatelaine
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tattersail Chatelaine on 21/08/2010 18:17:26 I have a Retriever, and have two strip miners on it: A) Strip Miner I B) Modulated Strip Miner II, which is fitted with a Veldspar Mining Crystal II. It IS properly loaded into the miner.
I've tested this several times, but in the same 180 second cycle, the Strip Miner gets 9450 veldspar, my Modulated gets 9321 (which is less). I don't get it. I've done several tests. Some with just one of the strip miners active, some with them both going, but they both have the same cycle (180 secs).
Could I possisbly have missed something?
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Lord Izanami
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tattersail Chatelaine Edited by: Tattersail Chatelaine on 21/08/2010 18:17:26 I have a Retriever, and have two strip miners on it: A) Strip Miner I B) Modulated Strip Miner II, which is fitted with a Veldspar Mining Crystal II. It IS properly loaded into the miner.
I've tested this several times, but in the same 180 second cycle, the Strip Miner gets 9450 veldspar, my Modulated gets 9321 (which is less). I don't get it. I've done several tests. Some with just one of the strip miners active, some with them both going, but they both have the same cycle (180 secs).
Could I possisbly have missed something?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:42:00 -
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Well, it's either a bug or you are indeed missing something.
First, make sure you really DO have the proper crystal loaded and you're mining a large enough rock (that doesn't pop when you finish the cycle).
Second, make sure the stats aren't "stuck" for some reason. DOCK somewhere, remove all stripminers, fit one T1 and one T2, showinfo both (take screenshot, make sure you have "specialityminingamount" or somesuch visible on the T2), load crystal, showinfo&screenshot again the T2. Might want to check if those numbers corroborate with what you see extracted.
Last, make sure you weren't getting any fleet bonuses in one case but no bonuses in the other. Undock unfleeted, and run a cycle with each again.
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Tattersail Chatelaine
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Posted - 2010.08.21 20:12:00 -
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Well that seemed to do the trick, Akita. I did have everything set up correctly, but just for giggles I stripped all of my fittings, left the station, redocked. Hell, I even rebooted my pc (Eve was running kinda slow).
Once everything came back up (Eve was running more smoothly, btw), I fit JUST my miner II and crystals, and went on a trial mining run. Voila! Got the increased yield. So I went out and bought another one, fitted it, and wow, what a difference. Fills my cargo hold about 3/4 on one cycle. I can cancel a minute into the second cycle to fill it up 100%. Pretty nice, can save two+ minutes per mining run now.
Thanks1
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Harris
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Posted - 2010.08.21 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Harris on 21/08/2010 22:48:04
Originally by: Lord Izanami The answer is simple. You win by failing.
Originally by: Akita T Well, it's either a bug or you are indeed missing something......(helpful suggestions)
These quotes perfectly sums up the forums.
Some guys are juvenile ******s. Why even post if you've nothing to contribute, not getting any and need to take it out on someone else? Some guys like to help.
To the OP, glad you got your problems sorted, logging or session changes often solve problems like that across all spectrums of Eve.
I'm sure you aint put off asking for help on the forums, sometimes you get the dross, sometimes you get the intelligent ones.
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Halborn
Celtic Technologies Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 23:13:00 -
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I thought Akita's response was quite helpful. The first steps to solve a problem is to figure out what is not wrong with it. First problem - is it bugged? Turns out it was so tbh Harris I think you are being unfair. I'll agree the second post wasn't the most helpful and you may have some evidence there but Akita was more than helpful.
Besides you complaining about other people on the forum only brings you down to the same level.
To the original OP: Also glad you solved it. Software and Hardware can be funny at times. Tip for the future is if you dont understand why its acting funny close it and start again to see if that fixes it. 9 times out of 10 that will fix whatever this issue.
P.S enjoy the mining and another tip google "Jetcan mining" it can drastically increase your isk/h ------------------------------
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Tattersail Chatelaine
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Posted - 2010.08.22 04:48:00 -
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I just came back from a year or so away, and I remember jetcanning, before I could get something with a large enough capacity (Retriever) to eliminate the need. I'd need a hauler to make that work. I looked around at what kind of hauler I could get to facilitate jetcanning, but the only one I could find was the Obelisk, which is WAAYY out of my price range. So for now it's mine my 3200m3, return and refine. Rinse and repeat.
Unless.. there's a differnt setup available?
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Philderbeast
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Posted - 2010.08.22 08:33:00 -
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Itty V, Cargo hold expander II's and cargo hold optimization rigs will hold a full jet can with some to spare (38000m3) for about 50mil all told.
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Carine Parnasse
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Posted - 2010.08.22 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tattersail Chatelaine I just came back from a year or so away, and I remember jetcanning, before I could get something with a large enough capacity (Retriever) to eliminate the need. I'd need a hauler to make that work. I looked around at what kind of hauler I could get to facilitate jetcanning, but the only one I could find was the Obelisk, which is WAAYY out of my price range. So for now it's mine my 3200m3, return and refine. Rinse and repeat.
Unless.. there's a differnt setup available?
Dont buy an obelisk for jetcanning, frieghters can only load cargo while docked, so that won't do any good. Are you using 2 accounts or just the one? Things will be a lot more smooth with another dedicated hauling character, but mining is still not very profitable, and it sure isn't any fun.
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Corporate Thief
Caldari Code Triage
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Halborn I thought Akita's response was quite helpful[...]
Originally by: Harris Edited by: Harris on 21/08/2010 22:48:04
Originally by: Lord Izanami The answer is simple. You win by failing.
Originally by: Akita T Well, it's either a bug or you are indeed missing something......(helpful suggestions)
These quotes perfectly sums up the forums.
Some guys are juvenile ******s. Why even post if you've nothing to contribute, not getting any and need to take it out on someone else? Some guys like to help.
Don't worry, I had to read it twice too ---
Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts dealing with sexual orientation have been removed. Please keep this discussion on-topic.
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Harris
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Posted - 2010.08.22 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Corporate Thief
Originally by: Halborn I thought Akita's response was quite helpful[...]
Originally by: Harris Edited by: Harris on 21/08/2010 22:48:04
Originally by: Lord Izanami The answer is simple. You win by failing.
Originally by: Akita T Well, it's either a bug or you are indeed missing something......(helpful suggestions)
These quotes perfectly sums up the forums.
Some guys are juvenile ******s. Why even post if you've nothing to contribute, not getting any and need to take it out on someone else? Some guys like to help.
Don't worry, I had to read it twice too
I wondered what I'd said wrong! Ido appreciate the irony of complaining on the forums though!
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Halborn
Celtic Technologies Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.22 23:33:00 -
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The bestower is also nice if you don't want to train heavy in industrial. You cant get as much cargo as the Itty V but you can get some 24000m3 in there which I tend to find is perfect amount for the hulk as it can pull in around 3 times the amount in an hour.
Remember the cans only last for 1-2 hours so make sure if you are bulk canning you name it with the time stamp to keep track of when it goes boom ------------------------------
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Tattersail Chatelaine
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Posted - 2010.08.23 00:52:00 -
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The Bestower only has a capacity of 4,800 m3. That's not much more than my retriever with cargo addons (3,200). Even if I did mine into a can I'd still have to make just about as many trips with the Bestower to retrieve it all.
Unless I'm really REALLY missing something (remember I've just come back from a little over a year off - I've forgotten a lot of Eve thingies) :)
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Amarr Leroy
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Posted - 2010.08.23 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Halborn The bestower is also nice if you don't want to train heavy in industrial. You cant get as much cargo as the Itty V but you can get some 24000m3 in there which I tend to find is perfect amount for the hulk as it can pull in around 3 times the amount in an hour.
A fully expanded and T1 rigged Bestower holds exactly 24.114.9 m3 at Amarr Industrial V. You could use GSCs to squeeze in another 3600m3 but emptying 8x GSCs every hauling run is one of the few things worse than mining.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.08.23 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Leroy
Originally by: Halborn The bestower is also nice if you don't want to train heavy in industrial. You cant get as much cargo as the Itty V but you can get some 24000m3 in there which I tend to find is perfect amount for the hulk as it can pull in around 3 times the amount in an hour.
A fully expanded and T1 rigged Bestower holds exactly 24.114.9 m3 at Amarr Industrial V. You could use GSCs to squeeze in another 3600m3 but emptying 8x GSCs every hauling run is one of the few things worse than mining.
I like using an Orca if I ever have to mine - not only can you fit 4+ jetcans into it, you can get a bonus to mining yield for your miner. I know everyone tells you that a second hulk is more efficient than an Orca+Hulk, but as I can only effectively run 2 accounts at once, I find the Orca+Hulk to be optimal for my setup. (The only mining I've done in the last 2 years has been mining missions to improve my datacore agents standings).
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.08.23 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Emporer Norton on 23/08/2010 03:58:52 Mammoth is a good industrial choice at minmatar industrial 4 and t1 rigged holds a bit over 27km3 not a full can but very close also a lot less training then iteron v bestower=biggest hauler lvl 1-3 mammoth= largest lvl 4 iteron v=largest lvl 5
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Halborn
Celtic Technologies Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.24 00:26:00 -
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I agree the Orca is something worth looking at for the long-term future if you're serious about mining. You dont mine as much as you do with 2 hulks but a hulk+orca reduces the risk of can flipping to zero means your hulk doesn't have to move until the rocks run dry and the orca capacity at max is around 179k m3 i think which solves any logistical problems for a small time miner.
FYI: an orca begins to take over hulks when you add a 4th to the gang. So 3 hulks+orca will mine more than 4 Hulks. ------------------------------
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.08.24 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 24/08/2010 00:49:30 TBH, I'd say skip the mining entirely and just get an Orca. Damn versatile ship with a lot of applications outside of mining (Mini-freighter with a 10s align time = <3 - plus, stealthy-corp-cargo hold). --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.24 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 24/08/2010 00:49:30 TBH, I'd say skip the mining entirely and just get an Orca. Damn versatile ship with a lot of applications outside of mining (Mini-freighter with a 10s align time = <3 - plus, stealthy-corp-cargo hold).
How the hell do you get a 10s align time with an orca? Seriously, I would love to know this as it hauls 1/4 of a freighter and warps so much faster than one.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.08.24 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 24/08/2010 03:19:16 Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 24/08/2010 03:18:13
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 24/08/2010 00:49:30 TBH, I'd say skip the mining entirely and just get an Orca. Damn versatile ship with a lot of applications outside of mining (Mini-freighter with a 10s align time = <3 - plus, stealthy-corp-cargo hold).
How the hell do you get a 10s align time with an orca? Seriously, I would love to know this as it hauls 1/4 of a freighter and warps so much faster than one.
Put a 100mn microwarp on it (this may require a PDU or ancillary current router). Cycle it once. This jacks up its max speed and its acceleration. When the cycle ends, the max drops down to normal, and its current speed will be >75% of the real max, so it will instantly warp.
Note that this only works from a dead stop, such as warping from gate to gate. It won't work when you undock, or are otherwise already moving in the wrong direction. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.24 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
Put a 100mn microwarp on it (this may require a PDU or ancillary current router). Cycle it once. This jacks up its max speed and its acceleration. When the cycle ends, the max drops down to normal, and its current speed will be >75% of the real max, so it will instantly warp.
Note that this only works from a dead stop, such as warping from gate to gate. It won't work when you undock, or are otherwise already moving in the wrong direction.
Ahh, kinda a reverse on the web trick. Thanks.
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