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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.26 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch For those saying it's 4 blocks from ground zero, keep in mind how many blocks the debris and body parts covered from ground zero.
Youtube 911 and see for yourself.
So there's a new "No Mosques allowed within one block of 9/11 body part landing zone" legislation coming through? I sure hope so, this is an disgrace! I don't want any mosques near the place where my buddy's arm landed.
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MooKids
Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:30:00 -
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A black man goes into a white neighborhood and starts shooting up the place, yelling "eat lead whitey!" and ends up getting himself killed. Years later a completely unrelated black man, who is not a threat and quite peaceful, wants to move into the area to live a quiet life. Is the second black man being insensitive to the white neighborhood and do the white families have a just reason for not wanting him to move in? -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/08/2010 07:12:00
Originally by: MooKids A black man goes into a white neighborhood and starts shooting up the place, yelling "eat lead whitey!" and ends up getting himself killed. Years later a completely unrelated black man, who is not a threat and quite peaceful, wants to move into the area to live a quiet life. Is the second black man being insensitive to the white neighborhood and do the white families have a just reason for not wanting him to move in?
Of course it would be insensitive, even without the shooting incident. A black guy moving into a white neighborhood is incredibly insensitive, just like those icky brown people trying to build something in good traditional white New York. White people should not have to deal with being exposed to cultures that are in any way different from them!
And yes, it's about racism. Why else would some middle-eastern Christians come to protest against the mosque and then get attacked by the other protesters? Clearly anyone with that color skin must be an Islamic terrorist mass-murderer!
Link.
The simple fact is that all this talk of being "insensitive" or "dishonoring the victims" is really just people who don't want to openly admit that they're being racist and prejudiced against anyone who isn't like them. -----------
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DarthJosh
DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:19:00 -
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bigot_slashes_muslim_cabby_TytIBS5mBIh4PZoC8r4KuK
thanks guys, mission is a success, you won over the iraqies and brought freedom. -
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.26 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Link.
America. Providing comedy via Irony since 1776.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/08/2010 00:00:42
Originally by: Riedle In order for that to make ANY sense you would have to agree that the ****'s were fundamentalist Christians and they were nothing of the sort so the analogy doesn't work.
*** = short term for national socialists.
Bull****.
Not only were they Christians, they were quite happy to justify their actions as the will of god.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/******1.htm
Replace the *****s in the link with the last name of the leader of WWII Germany.
The fact that you think the national socialist movement was a religious movement speaks only to your ignorance on the subject. They were very bad people and the movement was disgusting but it was not a religious movement.
No serious scholar thinks so.
Here is a link to their platform btw
Here is an excerpt:
Quote: We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
They were obviously not a religious movement. They were a nationalist movement. I can't see any mention of God which one would expect, no? lol
Lots of mentions about the 'State' as you would expect from a nationalist movement. In anycaase, that is all I'm going to say about that silly subject. I don't have time to teach you history.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 11:43:00 -
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Quote: just like those icky brown people trying to build something in good traditional white New York
Lol, quite obviously you have never been to New York.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch For those saying it's 4 blocks from ground zero, keep in mind how many blocks the debris and body parts covered from ground zero.
Youtube 911 and see for yourself.
I had two friends from college pass on 911. That is no excuse for me to get all riled up about this. US citizens have a far to significant sense of invulnerability and they need to get over it. The people that are getting upset would not be getting upset if it was a church or synagogue. I say that this is an unacceptable double standard considering all the **** that organized religion has started. I do not like religious institutions one bit, but the US cannot have their cake and eat it to. They just need to deal with it.
Originally by: Riedle
They were obviously not a religious movement. They were a nationalist movement. I can't see any mention of God which one would expect, no? lol
Lots of mentions about the 'State' as you would expect from a nationalist movement. In anycaase, that is all I'm going to say about that silly subject. I don't have time to teach you history.
The "State" can reach a god like status. Just saying. Plus one of the primary motivators for eradicating the Jews was because they were Jewish Absolutely no religious motivations there.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:49:00 -
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Quote: The "State" can reach a god like status. Just saying. Plus one of the primary motivators for eradicating the Jews was because they were Jewish Absolutely no religious motivations there.
Right. People can become fanatic about all sorts of things besides religion.
And you are right again, because no secular dictatorship has ever persecuted minorites...
Oh, except Stalin, ******, Pol Pot, ****** etc etc ad nauseum
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:23:00 -
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Quote: The "State" can reach a god like status. Just saying. Plus one of the primary motivators for eradicating the Jews was because they were Jewish Absolutely no religious motivations there.
To be fair, the motivation was more social than religious. Because the National Socialists also targeted Romas, the handicapped, Communists and gays(among others) in some bizarre search of racial/national/social homogeneity.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: DarthJosh http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bigot_slashes_muslim_cabby_TytIBS5mBIh4PZoC8r4KuK
thanks guys, mission is a success, you won over the iraqies and brought freedom.
Wow, this guy is ****ing badass.
"This is a checkpoint, motherf- - -ker! I have to put you down!"
Instant classic.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:35:00 -
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Quote: I feel Riedle's argument can be summed up in this way:
20,000 Polish POWs were executed by the Red Army. A Russian guy tries to set up a Russian expat club near my Warsaw flat. We picket it and ask them not to hold their club near us, because it is insensitive.
Thanks - you got it.
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Fumitsugu Sylwia on 26/08/2010 14:37:38
Originally by: Riedle
Quote: I feel Riedle's argument can be summed up in this way:
20,000 Polish POWs were executed by the Red Army. A Russian guy tries to set up a Russian expat club near my Warsaw flat. We picket it and ask them not to hold their club near us, because it is insensitive.
Thanks - you got it.
I was being ironic. It isn't insensitive.
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Land0 CaIrissian
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Land0 CaIrissian on 26/08/2010 14:44:27 The is thread has only further solidified my belief that the internet has trashed the collective intelligence of my country.
edit: in before, BUT I DON'T LIVZ IN UR COUNTRY!!!
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Land0 CaIrissian The is thread has only further solidified my belief that the internet has trashed the collective intelligence of my country.
Nicaragua?
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia Edited by: Fumitsugu Sylwia on 26/08/2010 14:37:38
Originally by: Riedle
Quote: I feel Riedle's argument can be summed up in this way:
20,000 Polish POWs were executed by the Red Army. A Russian guy tries to set up a Russian expat club near my Warsaw flat. We picket it and ask them not to hold their club near us, because it is insensitive.
Thanks - you got it.
I was being ironic. It isn't insensitive.
In your opinion it might not be but that doesn't mean it feels insensitive to others and that their feelings are any less valid than yours. So you got it despite yourself.
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia Edited by: Fumitsugu Sylwia on 26/08/2010 14:37:38
Originally by: Riedle
Quote: I feel Riedle's argument can be summed up in this way:
20,000 Polish POWs were executed by the Red Army. A Russian guy tries to set up a Russian expat club near my Warsaw flat. We picket it and ask them not to hold their club near us, because it is insensitive.
Thanks - you got it.
I was being ironic. It isn't insensitive.
In your opinion it might not be but that doesn't mean it feels insensitive to others and that their feelings are any less valid than yours. So you got it despite yourself.
:)
Conversely, it is insensitive to deny someone their social space due to the actions of some who you believe to be a part of the same group you perceive them as belonging to, be it social, national, religious or something else.
There are plenty of Irish and Muslim social organisations in London and the British have been targeted by extremists belonging to both groups, have they not?
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:08:00 -
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Quote: Conversely, it is insensitive to deny someone their social space due to the actions of some who you believe to be a part of the same group you perceive them as belonging to, be it social, national, religious or something else.
There are plenty of Irish and Muslim social organisations in London and the British have been targeted by extremists belonging to both groups, have they not?
There are lots of Irish and Muslim social organizations in New York as well. lol
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia Conversely, it is insensitive to deny someone their social space due to the actions of some who you believe to be a part of the same group you perceive them as belonging to, be it social, national, religious or something else.
Bull****. It's not like they randomly picked a location to build their Mosque at and it just happened to be next to the monument site, and now they're being "denied their social space". Asking someone to stop being insensitive is not insensitive, it's their ****ing fault in the first place for picking that spot.
But really, targeted PR coup to "build relations" backlashes, crybabies cry, spinmeisters spin, this is a storm in a water glass.
I say build the Mosque, you're either a free country or you're not. It's not like you're suddenly reminded of the Islamic contribution to the events that day simply because there's a Mosque there. Something I hope for is that they have that shouting in the loudspeakers at exactly the time when the planes hit the towers, year after year. Man that would be hilarious.
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Dray
Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:24:00 -
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The real issue is that it's not an issue, the political right stirred up a storm to put Obama on the spot, he can't stop it being built because it's unconstitutional, but he can't openly support it because it would give the right more ammunition to use against him.
Why hasn't anyone called into question the ethics of the politicians who are using the death of over 2000 people to further a political agenda? Because lets be honest here, that's the real issue.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dray
Why hasn't anyone called into question the ethics of the politicians who are using the death of over 2000 people to further a political agenda? Because lets be honest here, that's the real issue.
Politicians being politicians? In my real life? It's more likely than you think.
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
There are lots of Irish and Muslim social organizations in New York as well. lol
Sorry, what's your point?
Originally by: So Sensational
I say build the Mosque, you're either a free country or you're not.
Exactly.
What I don't understand is the way that a lot of people seem to view members of the Islamic faith as one coherent, homogenous, mass that should exhibit some sort of collective guilt for what a tiny minority of them did.
And how many victims, or those who knew victims, of (illegal) US aggression in other countries have to drive past a McDonald's or Starbucks* every day on the way to work?
*If someone could perhaps give me a more profound example of American culture I would be most grateful.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:30:00 -
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Quote: Sorry, what's your point?
Umm.. they exact same as yours?
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Quote: Sorry, what's your point?
Umm.. they exact same as yours?
I believe the big difference is the lack of media coverage when someone builds a mosque or Irish pub.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia
Originally by: Riedle
Quote: Sorry, what's your point?
Umm.. they exact same as yours?
I believe the big difference is the lack of media coverage when someone builds a mosque or Irish pub.
So you think that location has nothing to do with it? You must be that pedantic to prove your 'point' that Americans are ugly bigots or something to that effect I suppose?
You think this is the only Mosque in the USA or something or even in New York? There are lots of Mosques in New York and this is the only one that people are upset with and I guess you just think it's a coincidence.
But yes, you are right. People opposed to the Mosque being built there are simply racists and/or bigots because of it, right?
My what a nuanced, honest and empathetic argument you have.
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:44:00 -
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Watch this, buy the book (always better than the TV version) take a HUGE step back and look at the world objectively, cry a bit about all the suffering that religion has caused, then understand that the only feasible objection to hold is to object to a plan to build a shrine to a story book character that influenced some gullible people to murder thousands of people in the name of god.
Disgusting.
Better plan ... bulldoze all churches, flatten all mosques, rip apart all synagogues. Educate the deluded desperate masses so they no longer need religion then outlaw it so it can never again stain humanity. Suddenly the world is a better place.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:51:00 -
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Quote: Disgusting.
Better plan ... bulldoze all churches, flatten all mosques, rip apart all synagogues. Educate the deluded desperate masses so they no longer need religion then outlaw it so it can never again stain humanity. Suddenly the world is a better place.
Uhh... that was already done. Look up the history of the Soviet Union. Organized religion there was outlawed.
Oh, and it's estimated that they killed 40 million of their own citizens in the mean-time. oops!
Yup, a real shangrila you got yourself there.
lol
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 26/08/2010 17:04:30 I started this thread as a joke. something to giggle about. but it has taken a serious tone so Im sorry i brought it up.
You guys need to laugh at the stupidity of life...don't take it so seriously, we only have a short time on this earth.
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Chipan Asty
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Uhh... that was already done. Look up the history of the Soviet Union. Organized religion there was outlawed.
Oh, and it's estimated that they killed 40 million of their own citizens in the mean-time. oops!
Yup, a real shangrila you got yourself there.
lol
Yes. They killed in the name of a sky fairy called god. They killed because they foolishly believed in religion and killed for their right to believe in a story that was written before people could even explain why rain fell from the sky. Just as the christians have killed countless thousands in the name of god. Not a single good thing has come of religion, or if it has, then religion was not needed to produce said good thing.
Seriously, the only way to a better world is to educate people that there is no god. I'm baffled that people can actually believe these stories ... and some people do, they REALLY do believe. It's very depressing.
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chipan Asty
Originally by: Riedle
Uhh... that was already done. Look up the history of the Soviet Union. Organized religion there was outlawed.
Oh, and it's estimated that they killed 40 million of their own citizens in the mean-time. oops!
Yup, a real shangrila you got yourself there.
lol
Yes. They killed in the name of a sky fairy called god. They killed because they foolishly believed in religion and killed for their right to believe in a story that was written before people could even explain why rain fell from the sky. Just as the christians have killed countless thousands in the name of god. Not a single good thing has come of religion, or if it has, then religion was not needed to produce said good thing.
Seriously, the only way to a better world is to educate people that there is no god. I'm baffled that people can actually believe these stories ... and some people do, they REALLY do believe. It's very depressing.
Are you really this dumb or are you trolling me?
The Soviet Union OUTLAWED religion and these same people who outlawed religion killed 40 million of their own citizens.
I was attempting, in vain it seems, to convey to you that religion is not the basis of the bad things in society - it is fanaticism. That can be with religion or NOT such as with the Soviet Union. There are many other examples. In fact, secular fanaticism has killed many more innocents than religious fanaticism.
Anyaways, OP my final vote is for 'You Mecca me Horny'
lol
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