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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.08.24 20:01:00 -
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I found THIS on the BBC website... beggars belief doesn't it?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.24 20:21:00 -
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I wonder if she has a neighbour in the flat above with a couple of cats. A couple of cats that chase each other around, and wake her up at 5:30am on a Saturday morning, and before 8am the next morning followed by being woken up at 6am on a workday and not being able to get back to sleep. It's probably because she hasn't had much sleep the past couple of weeks because of cats.
I'd never had reacted that way, of course. Now I've found out that it's not actually a criminal offence, I'm considering it. Cats can be so friggin annoying.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.08.24 20:36:00 -
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Animal cruelty isn't a crime in the UK?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.08.24 20:37:00 -
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Y'know, I have a dream. A fantasy really.
Every time I read an article about someone doing something like that... or shooting a dog with a pellet gun 50 times... or just mistreating animals in general... I get this feeling of pumping, vein-popping hatred and anger. Actually seeing red.
It's odd, I don't feel that anger at all, when I see man's cruelty toward man, because this world is of our making, and we've chosen to **** in our own beds since day one. If anything, I feel disappointment. Animals though...
One day, when I'm getting along in my years, and have little left to look forward to... or few consequences left to fear... I think I'll start finding some of these people.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.24 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Y'know, I have a dream. A fantasy really.
Every time I read an article about someone doing something like that... or shooting a dog with a pellet gun 50 times... or just mistreating animals in general... I get this feeling of pumping, vein-popping hatred and anger. Actually seeing red.
It's odd, I don't feel that anger at all, when I see man's cruelty toward man, because this world is of our making, and we've chosen to **** in our own beds since day one. If anything, I feel disappointment. Animals though...
One day, when I'm getting along in my years, and have little left to look forward to... or few consequences left to fear... I think I'll start finding some of these people.
Good way to spend one's sunset years.
When you find one lock them in a small wire cage connected to another wire cage with this cat in it.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.24 23:10:00 -
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Can't wait to see the film on what the people do to her for this Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.24 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Every time I read an article about someone doing something like that[...] or just mistreating animals in general... I get this feeling of pumping, vein-popping hatred and anger. Actually seeing red. It's odd, I don't feel that anger at all, when I see man's cruelty toward man[...]
I can't wait to hear your opinion about asian people that eat cat/dog meat. What about animals that hurt other animals without human intervention ?
Now, onwards to this particular video of so-called animal cruelty. It's not like this lady actively wanted to hurt the cat... and it doesn't even look like she hates cats in general, I mean, she did stop to pet it. For all we know, she might have thought she was helping the cat's owners by making sure the cat stays in the area instead of running around on the street getting itself run over by a car or somesuch. So it could just be a misguided old lady trying to help and failing spectacularly. Of course, this is highly speculative.
Still, I would only have considered THIS particular clip as being intentional animal cruelty if the old lady would have bonked the cat's head on the wall before dumping it into the trashcan.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.25 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails I wonder if she has a neighbour in the flat above with a couple of cats. A couple of cats that chase each other around, and wake her up at 5:30am on a Saturday morning, and before 8am the next morning followed by being woken up at 6am on a workday and not being able to get back to sleep. It's probably because she hasn't had much sleep the past couple of weeks because of cats.
I'd never had reacted that way, of course. Now I've found out that it's not actually a criminal offence, I'm considering it. Cats can be so friggin annoying.
Hands up who wants to lock this cat in a bin
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Exploriosoette
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Posted - 2010.08.25 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Exploriosoette on 25/08/2010 02:17:03
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Every time I read an article about someone doing something like that[...] or just mistreating animals in general... I get this feeling of pumping, vein-popping hatred and anger. Actually seeing red. It's odd, I don't feel that anger at all, when I see man's cruelty toward man[...]
I can't wait to hear your opinion about asian people that eat cat/dog meat. What about animals that hurt other animals without human intervention ?
Um, maybe because in those countries, the animal is thought of the same way we think of Cows and Sheep. The cat/dog is slaughtered quickly, and as far as I know, humanely. The act of eating the meat itself is not cruel as the animal is dead. There is no cruelty or malice towards the cat/dog, in the same way as we don't cruelly and maliciously kill Cows, Sheep etc.
Animals that kill other animals, same thing, the animal doing the killing is not doing it out of cruelty or hatred towards its prey. Its a food source to the predator.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.25 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 03:26:18
Quote: Animals that kill other animals, same thing, the animal doing the killing is not doing it out of cruelty or hatred towards its prey. Its a food source to the predator.
Not ALL animals. Lions kill children of former partners so they can have their own. Dolphins kill for fun. Many animals kill just for feeling threatened. I kill various bugs just because they're annoying to have around. I would have no moral qualms killing ANY animal that's attacking me, if there's no other easy way to stop the attack. Granted, there would be no malice behind my intent, but still.
Quote: in those countries, the animal is thought of the same way we think of Cows and Sheep. The cat/dog is slaughtered quickly, and as far as I know, humanely. The act of eating the meat itself is not cruel as the animal is dead. There is no cruelty or malice towards the cat/dog, in the same way as we don't cruelly and maliciously kill Cows, Sheep etc.
Well, then, you, PERSONALLY, would you rather be subjected to some gruesome torture then nursed back to health and set free OR would you rather be summarily executed ? When it's your own skin, I somehow doubt many would pick "meh, just kill me fast" before the torture even started (even if most might say that mid-torture).
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So Sensational
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Posted - 2010.08.25 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Every time I read an article about someone doing something like that[...] or just mistreating animals in general... I get this feeling of pumping, vein-popping hatred and anger. Actually seeing red. It's odd, I don't feel that anger at all, when I see man's cruelty toward man[...]
I can't wait to hear your opinion about asian people that eat cat/dog meat. What about animals that hurt other animals without human intervention ?
Now, onwards to this particular video of so-called animal cruelty. It's not like this lady actively wanted to hurt the cat... and it doesn't even look like she hates cats in general, I mean, she did stop to pet it. For all we know, she might have thought she was helping the cat's owners by making sure the cat stays in the area instead of running around on the street getting itself run over by a car or somesuch. So it could just be a misguided old lady trying to help and failing spectacularly. Of course, this is highly speculative.
Still, I would only have considered THIS particular clip as being intentional animal cruelty if the old lady would have bonked the cat's head on the wall before dumping it into the trashcan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdctl2TB3UI&feature=related
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.25 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 03:48:57
Originally by: So Sensational
Quote: Still, I would only have considered THIS particular clip as being intentional animal cruelty if the old lady would have bonked the cat's head on the wall before dumping it into the trashcan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdctl2TB3UI&feature=related
You seem to be assuming two things : * that the garbage men would come and collect the garbage before the local people (that the cat probably belongs to) would come to dump any garbage in the bin, and * that the garbage men would not bother taking the mewling cat out first before dumping it all in the compactor.
This was just about as much animal cruelty towards the cat as it would be assault to help a confused old lady cross the street when she doesn't need to cross it. Misguided ? Certainly. Animal cruelty ? Doubtful.
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Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
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Posted - 2010.08.25 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Every time I read an article about someone doing something like that... or shooting a dog with a pellet gun 50 times... or just mistreating animals in general... I get this feeling of pumping, vein-popping hatred and anger. Actually seeing red.
Oh I bet you're one of those nutcases that refuses to eat meat as well?
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Sonkut
Minmatar The Motley Few
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Posted - 2010.08.25 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sonkut on 25/08/2010 14:59:41 update
For info, the british public are animal lovers and because of that the lady has become a scape goat for everyone who's had their animal harmed by the looks of the situation.
I simply think my usual point of view applies(make the punishment fit the crime), cat was stuck in a wheelybin for 15 hours, stick her in a wheelybin for 15 hours. She won't do it again, particularly if the bin hasn't been cleaned recently.
lol, second update for you Cat 'joke' was meant to be 'funny' ICSUTTONCOLDFIELD.com I didn't see anyone else stood around laughing, did you? not even the lady that did it.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Rigel
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Every time I read an article about someone doing something like that... or shooting a dog with a pellet gun 50 times... or just mistreating animals in general... I get this feeling of pumping, vein-popping hatred and anger. Actually seeing red.
Oh I bet you're one of those nutcases that refuses to eat meat as well?
I bet you're one of those nutbags that cannot tell the difference between killing something and torturing it then killing it. Human or animal people can accept both being killed but only sick minds want them tortured.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 25/08/2010 17:08:16 The British thing about fluffy animals appeals to our sentimental eccentric streak. I have a pet cat and I give it much affection.
As for general nastiness between people to me it boils down to 'moral hazard'. Some people are allowed to harass others and get away with it as they in return afford opportunity to others while they focus negativity on primary targets: Spread betting. I have been at the thin end of this for years. Its staggering that such people who indulge in their egoistic spite games start flapping when the individuals they persecute have no positive regard 4 them at all. God, f**k em.
Though even if one has been a victim its progressive not to have a mental framework around that. But instead to think of as being a survivor.
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Menkala
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:26:00 -
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BBC's Followup
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Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron Animal cruelty isn't a crime in the UK?
We invented the concept, and that of charities dedicated to animal welfare.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Y'know, I have a dream. A fantasy really.
Every time I read an article about someone doing something like that... or shooting a dog with a pellet gun 50 times... or just mistreating animals in general... I get this feeling of pumping, vein-popping hatred and anger. Actually seeing red.
It's odd, I don't feel that anger at all, when I see man's cruelty toward man, because this world is of our making, and we've chosen to **** in our own beds since day one. If anything, I feel disappointment. Animals though...
One day, when I'm getting along in my years, and have little left to look forward to... or few consequences left to fear... I think I'll start finding some of these people.
Good way to spend one's sunset years.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 01:02:00 -
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Human are moral agents, animals are not. That means a lot.
Higher animals are very capable of emotion, loyalty, devotion, and any number of admirable traits. I truely believe some are, in some ways, better than most people.
But no animals make a thought out decision to show mercy IN SPITE OF any inner drives they may feel. The "in spite of" part of the phrase is core.
This unique human ability does NOT mean we are not animals, but it does mean we are also something else that animals are NOT.
As far as human treatment of animals, I AM an animal that eats meat. Like a number of primates, it IS part of the diet. If it was evil in and of itself, all meat eating animals would be evil. They are not.
Human meat eating DOES carry an extra responsibility: Don't be stupidly cruel.
What does that mean?
I remember seeing a nature show on seals. Part of the show covered the fact that killer whales like to haunt the coast of beaches when seal pups first start taking to the water (inexperienced food prey...). But the whales don't just eat. Once full, they start PLAYING CATCH with LIVE BABIES. They use their tails and teeth to toss the live babies around, shattering the baby's body, and killing it horridly.
Killer whales are NOT moral agents. Killer whales are only animals. They are just being natural. There is no point in hating them. It is not "evil". (Same rule applies to a cat playing with a mouse...)
But if humans do the same thing, it IS evil. We are moral agents, AS WELL AS meat eating apes.
I am hardcore agnostic, so none of this is based on faith (but is very compatable with a lot of faiths. I get along surprisingly well with religious folks....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.26 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot sig : Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla
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Posted - 2010.08.26 05:44:00 -
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.26 05:55:00 -
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Edited by: So Sensational on 26/08/2010 05:55:54
Originally by: Akita T
You seem to be assuming two things : * that the garbage men would come and collect the garbage before the local people (that the cat probably belongs to) would come to dump any garbage in the bin, and * that the garbage men would not bother taking the mewling cat out first before dumping it all in the compactor.
You seem to be assuming one thing: That the random crazy ass lady in the video (Who the owners of said cat seem to have had no previous contact with) actually had the best of intentions when throwing someone's cat into a garbage bin, quickly turning around and walking away. That she did this because "the cat shouldn't be walking around"? Your assumption is less likely than mine because no one (Yes, I know this, I am God) thinks like that.
I mean... "Oh this residential area is a highly dangerous zone of death for poor kittens like you, I shall pet you and then throw you in this garbage bin, there you will be warded from your own animal desires to walk around on fences. Hopefully someone will hear your screams of terror before the garbage men come to throw you in the giant maw of death that will slowly break every limb in your body, applying so much pressure that your organs will explode, which will likely be a very painful death for you. But that's alright little kitten, I the friendly lady, am just here to keep you safe.", it's just not plausible. So unless she has escaped my all-seeing eye this is indeed animal cruelty.
Originally by: Akita T This was just about as much animal cruelty towards the cat as it would be assault to help a confused old lady cross the street when she doesn't need to cross it. Misguided ? Certainly. Animal cruelty ? Doubtful.
Yeah, maybe if there was a deadly machine of doom on the other side, just waiting to crush the helpless old lady, and the friendly samaritan just figured that it'd be a good place to keep her safe until her caretaker came around, randomly searching the area to assist her. Assault? No, more like murder.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:00:00 -
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Have you even looked at the video you linked ? Have you ever seen garbagemen at work ? Can you honestly say you give it even a REMOTE chance a live cat could have actually managed to end up inside an operating trash compactor ? _
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So Sensational
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: So Sensational on 26/08/2010 06:11:27
Originally by: Akita T Have you even looked at the video you linked ? Have you ever seen garbagemen at work ? Can you honestly say you give it even a REMOTE chance a live cat could have actually managed to end up inside an operating trash compactor ?
Have you ever heard how loud a garbage truck can be? Have you ever considered the possibility that it might not be that type of garbage truck?
Even so, just being in there makes it animal cruelty. Animals, including humans, aren't very fond of being forced into a tight space and then locked inside. It tends to upset us. Perhaps you should try locking a cat into a box where it's never been before, and then add in some garbage, possibly some glass shards or whatever the **** else could be in a garbage bin, and then see if the cat enjoys the experience.
Even if you disregard this there's simply no way that someone would think like that. Even if you add in "I'm sure you'll be fine, you make lots of noise so even if the garbagemen come to throw you into your death they'll most certainly discover you in time" to the scenario I portrayed up there.
How your reply is at all relevant, to what I said, I don't know. Unless of course you're actually trying to say that the lady thinks like this, in which case you should just go back to MD and never come back to OOPE. I mean if that's the case then you're better at spread sheets than you are at humans.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: So Sensational How your reply is at all relevant, to what I said, I don't know.
"Reasonable doubt". You can't be sure there was actual malice involved.
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So Sensational
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: So Sensational How your reply is at all relevant, to what I said, I don't know.
"Reasonable doubt". You can't be sure there was actual malice involved.
You can't be sure of anything.
I however, choose to live in reality, and in reality there's no "reasonable doubt" anywhere near this video so stop playing devil's advocate. It's either a crazy lady or animal cruelty, either way she should be locked up, in prison or in a mental institution.
Don't think I'm some crusader of animal justice, I don't really give a **** unless it involves my own pet.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: So Sensational You can't be sure of anything. [...] It's either a crazy lady or animal cruelty, either way she should be locked up, in prison or in a mental institution.
Way to stick to your statements ! 180 reversal in the space of just one phrase ! You can't be sure of anything, but a human HAS to be locked up for the... what exactly ? The possibility of maybe endangering the life of a friggin' cat ?
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So Sensational
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
I'm saying that it could be conceivable some persons MIGHT think like that for a split second.
Yeah sure, I can buy that. So they then throw the cat into the garbage bin, quickly turn around and walk away as if they've done something horribly wrong?
Well I suppose that means a murder isn't a murder if you realize it's wrong afterward, turn around, and walk away.
Originally by: Akita T If I would have to make an exclusive "moral choice" between helping a human I don't even know not break a leg (on one hand) or helping save a thousand cuddly kittens about to be slowly and painfully ground into bloody pulp by a trash compactor (on the other hand), I'd choose to save the leg each and every time.
Yeah me too probably, considering what I stand to gain from doing so. Luckily this is an internet forum, I don't have to make that choice and so I get to defend the honor of animals.
Originally by: Akita T
Way to stick to your statements ! 180 reversal in the space of just one phrase ! You can't be sure of anything, but a human HAS to be locked up for the... what exactly ? The possibility of maybe endangering the life of a friggin' cat ?
There's no reversal involved. When you said "sure" I thought you meant 100%. And you seemed to base your arguments on that, that since we can't be 100% sure that there's malice involved this couldn't possibly be a case of animal cruelty. We're never 100% sure of anything, yet we still lock up other criminals. This case is no different and as I said, it's either a crazy lady or animal cruelty. Why? Because the friendly helpful lady throwing a cat in a garbage bin to keep it safe, and then quickly walking away, is not a plausible scenario. Both should lead to confinement.
She should be locked up because the type of person that joyfully pets an animal and then throws it into a garbage bin is not a functioning member of society. Sure it's nothing compared to Jack the Ripper or 9/11, but it's still worthy of prison as far as I'm concerned. In my ideal world she'd either be slave labor or decomposing in a grave or some form of bio-mass incinerator.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/08/2010 07:01:34
Originally by: So Sensational She should be locked up because the type of person that joyfully pets an animal and then throws it into a garbage bin is not a functioning member of society. Sure it's nothing compared to Jack the Ripper or 9/11, but it's still worthy of prison as far as I'm concerned. In my ideal world she'd either be slave labor or decomposing in a grave or some form of bio-mass incinerator.
Let's put it this way, if ANYBODY that irks me by doing something stupid at one time would end up in prison, we'd have more people in prison than outside of prison.
In reverse order of gravity for some randomly picked "offenses"... Ever slapped/punched/kicked somebody in anger instead of just shouting ? Jail ! Ever tried to push your particular brand of religion on others ? Jail ! Ever parked your car in a handicapped space ? Jail ! Ever dumped garbage in the wilderness instead of packing it and throwing it in a bin ? Jail ! Ever not respected a queue ? Jail !
Kitten-dumping probably comes somewhere in between wilderness littering and the bad parking.
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