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Shura'Sokoris
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:07:00 -
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So I'm trying to kill time before I have to go do tower guard...sit up in a tower in full battle rattle and gaze out at open sand and try not to fall asleep or go insane...glorious. -Retches-
Anyway.
Work with me here. Let's say something happens to CONCORD...I'm thinking since the Minmatar destroyed their station in Yulai and rendered them completely ineffective once, thus heralding the advent of the events of Empyrean Age (Minmatar's glorified rescue op, Gallente getting pwned by Caldari, Empress Sarum's omgwtfAbaddonofdoom, etc.) So let's say something else happens to CONCORD. Maybe not as catastrophic, but enough to where their ungodly power is greatly diminished.
And this is the point I'm getting at. Because of this, a lot more systems become lowsec, or even 0.0. Complete with all the amenities of going where angels fear to tread. And among other things, correct me if I'm wrong, but this means...more pvp. And with more 0.0 systems, more places to fight in, on, and over.
Of course, highsec would still exist, and there'd still be 1.0 training systems for noobs to come in and get their feet wet. But there'd also be a lot more warfare, and a lot less places to carebear in.
What do you guys think? Thoughts? Opinions?
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:23:00 -
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Might be good for an April 1st prank but not for the game. There's just no way you are going to move people out of high sec who have been there for over a year and don't want to pvp. Which is a lot of people unfortunately... - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:25:00 -
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That there is sum good troll bait, yessum.
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Shura'Sokoris
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan That there is sum good troll bait, yessum.
Pfft. On this forum, EVERYTHING is good troll bait.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit Might be good for an April 1st prank but not for the game. There's just no way you are going to move people out of high sec who have been there for over a year and don't want to pvp. Which is a lot of people unfortunately...
No offense to anyone, sincerely, but I can't understand why people are willing to pay ú15 a month to run missions they've already run a hundred times. Even just 'making isk' seems rather pointless if there is no goal other than making more isk.
If you'd told me I could get 200, 000 people to pay monthly to play Excel I'd laugh at you. Yet it is undisputable. The majority of EvE players don't play EvE!
I'm wondering what the 'new' players brought in by Incarna are going to do? Used to 'better' PVE in other nameless MMO's what will be the draw? They won't want to PVP (statistically a reasonable speculation based on the percentages from WOW etc) and they will soon realise the High Sec mission thing was not a core design feature ie. the whole reason to draw you in and keep you in the game and that it is pretty tedious/repetative and leave? Or is there some evidence that these people will be fewer than MMO virgins? Or those who play 'other' genres or games, not necessarily grind based PVE focussed MMO's? Shooters etc?
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T'san Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.26 10:36:00 -
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I think this would actually create less PvP as the highsec dwellers would move back to wherever the new highsec is and the PvPers would have more space to roam with the same amount of people, meaning everyone is more spread out and less likely to stumble across each other.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 10:48:00 -
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Hi I'm not a doctor, but I play one in Internets Space ships games.
Doctor spurty says "get rid of local? He'll no, too small thinking. Get rid of high sec!!!"
I too can band wagon like it's salem with trials time again!
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.08.26 10:51:00 -
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just get rid of everything and have thousands of players just drifting about in space with nothing to do.
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zz01shagsme
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Posted - 2010.08.26 11:04:00 -
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"CONCORD GOES ON STRIKE" - Concord has gone on strike and has walked out of negotiations. The dispute is over pay and work conditions. The walk out is due to last from downtime 26th Augusst to Downtime 28th August. All capsulers are warned to be careful during these days, Empire is not a safe to travel through unguarded and any atempt to kill you will NOT be policed by Concord.
You have been warned!
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.08.26 11:09:00 -
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This will cause an emo-rage quitting of thousands of carebears (and i¦m carebearish too).
This quitting will cause an emergency-shutdown of CCP¦s servers, the CEO will be fired in the line with a lot of other CCP¦s employees (of course not Tuxford ).
When (if) CCP¦s servers come up again, mechanics are changed in a way CONCORD is roaming high, low and nullsec, shooting everybody with a sec status lower than 8.1.
And than the rest goes WoW.
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Maryam Athra
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Posted - 2010.08.26 12:00:00 -
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CONCORD STRIKES!
Concord Internal Security has uncovered evidence that ongoing negotiations about pay and work conditions have been sabotaged by all major pirate organizations, including capsuleer-owned group.
CONCORD personnel have temporarily waived any demands and are returning to duty with vengeange.
CONCORD fleets will patrol even low security areas (0.1 - 0.4) and shall be mounting punitive expeditions to break null sec gate camps by pirate forces.
Hail CONCORD!
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.08.26 12:49:00 -
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This is troll bait and a stupid idea.
How about a reason to be in Low sec? ...and without Supercapital hot drops either
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia on 26/08/2010 13:10:37 If you ask what I do in hi sec besides run missions and exploration sites, I try to fund my PvP ventures. I run a small, industrial corp on the side. We are trying to find a way to be profitable and if possible, manage to work hard enough to create one or two accounts that are covered by plexes, plexes which would be paid for by our manufacturing efforts. My goal is to see if I can become enough of a small production corp (I have a friend who mines, I assist at times, and also bring in salvage and minerals from mission running), to actually be profitable with that corp. It's not a PvP oriented goal, yet I do need a POS to really do this well, as I need the labs for researching BPOs. Eventually, I may even want to try invention.
So the idea of less hi sec doesn't appeal to this endevor. Why would I want my POS to be at risk from capital ships? Why would I want to have to worry that much about transporting goods? Why is it so hard for people to grasp that I don't necessarily want to pew pew all the time, but rather try to be a business man on occassion? Few MMOs really allow this option. So why would I support a process that makes it harder for me to achieve my current goal? Yes, later, perhaps once I become very good at running a small industrial corp, I could see the risk of running such a corp in Low or Nul sec adding to the fun, but for now, one risk at a time, and that risk is making a good profit instead of having a business that is an ISK sink.
Also, I'm not so sure the OP has really looked at nul sec. Yes there are populated systems, yes there are large battles and good combat. However, there are also vast reaches of space that are devoid of all life, systems with no players at all. Would you really want more empty space? I'm not sure more nul sec would accomplish anything but this.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:19:00 -
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Oh, yet another suggestion to make the game 'better' which is nothing but a ploy to get pirates more easy gatecamp victims. This is apparently the best CCP can do for PvP also.
Might have more PvP for a week or so, and then lowsec and 0.0 are back to their usual vacant states. No matter how many times this pattern repeats, people remain convinced that NEXT TIME it'll work.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Nobzy
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Posted - 2010.08.26 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Nobzy on 26/08/2010 13:51:08
Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
No offense to anyone, sincerely, but I can't understand why people are willing to pay ú15 a month to run missions they've already run a hundred times. Even just 'making isk' seems rather pointless if there is no goal other than making more isk.
If you'd told me I could get 200, 000 people to pay monthly to play Excel I'd laugh at you. Yet it is undisputable. The majority of EvE players don't play EvE!
You PvP in zero or lowsec, in order to blow stuff up, right?
From my perspective, I would wonder the same thing. I can't understand why people are willing to pay ú15 a month to blow stuff up, and propably get blown up themselves on several occasion. To me, it seems rather pointless. I mean, you get nothing out of it, except fun.
My motivation in eve for the past 3 years, which is when I started the game, has been making isk, for the sake of making more of it. That's fun for me. Blowing stuff is utterly pointless and wasteful for me, but I endorse it as other peoples favourite activity, as that is what enables me to get richer.
To each their own matey.
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall No offense to anyone, sincerely, but I can't understand why people are willing to pay ú15 a month to run missions they've already run a hundred times. Even just 'making isk' seems rather pointless if there is no goal other than making more isk.
If you run enough missions you don't need to pay ú15 a month.
Oh and screw 0.0, moar wormhole space is what we need. No hotdrops, no blobs and no local.
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edtheshed
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:18:00 -
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wouldn't this just make hi-sec even more crowded than it is, and lo-sec harder to find a fight because people are more spread out?
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Wolfcheck
Pack o' Wolves
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall If you'd told me I could get 200, 000 people to pay monthly to play Excel I'd laugh at you. Yet it is undisputable. The majority of EvE players don't play EvE!
...or don't play eve the way you think eve is to be played. Eve has the best manufacturing/economic world that I've had the fortune to see in any virtual world. Eve's stuff is MADE by players, top to bottom. The ships you pilot or wreck in PvP are made by those carebears. Not everyone is an afk missioner. And making stuff and forcing your way through the market till you can make more stuff and more profitable stuff and more difficult stuff is a challenge in its own right. In fact, part of what I like in eve is that you are not FORCED to fight, fight, fight, fight, fight and fight some more. There are other things to do in eve if you want to. Exploration, mining, manufacturing, trading, roaming around, fighting NPC, fighting players, courier contracts... all have their places. And their rewards.
Any game has grind, EVE at least hides it reasonably. The PVP bunch is always a minority in all games I've ever played or heard of - in some games, it's a VAST minority, in others it's just a tad smaller than the PvE bunch.
I consider myself part of the PvP bunch even tho I haven't done much PvP in eve - yet. I've always courted and played the pvp part of games, cuz it's simply more interesting and challenging. But when you're a new player, losing a frig in a fight sets you back a day of missioning/mining/what have you, and if you end up losing 10 in a couple hours of PvP, assuming you've got that many to begin with, you're going to feel it. Also, some people can't spend many hours in game and sometimes you just want to chill out without your adrenaline pumps overheating.
I'd bet half if not more of the carebearing characters have at least a pvp alt. If they don't pvp themselves. My opinion :p
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Thoraxe Rig
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shura'Sokoris
Originally by: Irae Ragwan That there is sum good troll bait, yessum.
Pfft. On this forum, EVERYTHING is good troll bait.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.26 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shura'Sokoris
Originally by: Irae Ragwan That there is sum good troll bait, yessum.
Pfft. On this forum, EVERYTHING is good troll bait.
No. Everything is troll bait, it most certainly is not all good. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:57:00 -
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Arghhh Bear Bile! Get off me! Get OFF ME!!!!!
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Duvida
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:01:00 -
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Quote: that play eve don't play eve
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Quote: ...or don't play eve the way you think eve is to be played. Eve has the best manufacturing/economic world that I've had the fortune to see in any virtual world.
... That's a good point. Eve 'play' has eve-olved It does have some VERY pioneering aspects to it now, that would be destroyed if more 'forced pvp' was implemented.
Here's something I've been promoting that might expand the PVE/Business sides of things while allowing the PVP/Pirates to also enjoy the game:
Quote: Here's something I've been trying to promote to get more systems in the game in a way that doesn't shut out anyone: " have 0.4 space contain a Concord presence that responds in 1.25 the amount of time as their 0.5 comrades do, and add a 0.1, 0.2 or 0.3 system for each 0.4 system already in the game, so as to give more breathing room to everyone.
Learning... |
Anhenka
Minmatar Jotunheimr Productions Ltd. Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.08.27 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman This will cause an emo-rage quitting of thousands of carebears (and i¦m carebearish too).
This quitting will cause an emergency-shutdown of CCP¦s servers, the CEO will be fired in the line with a lot of other CCP¦s employees (of course not Tuxford ).
When (if) CCP¦s servers come up again, mechanics are changed in a way CONCORD is roaming high, low and nullsec, shooting everybody with a sec status lower than 8.1.
And than the rest goes WoW.
O_o how can I has safety with 8.2 sec status? I has hit invisable 5.0 wall.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.08.27 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Anhenka
Originally by: My Postman This will cause an emo-rage quitting of thousands of carebears (and i¦m carebearish too).
This quitting will cause an emergency-shutdown of CCP¦s servers, the CEO will be fired in the line with a lot of other CCP¦s employees (of course not Tuxford ).
When (if) CCP¦s servers come up again, mechanics are changed in a way CONCORD is roaming high, low and nullsec, shooting everybody with a sec status lower than 8.1.
And than the rest goes WoW.
O_o how can I has safety with 8.2 sec status? I has hit invisable 5.0 wall.
Exactly thats the point!
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.27 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nobzy Edited by: Nobzy on 26/08/2010 13:51:08
Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
No offense to anyone, sincerely, but I can't understand why people are willing to pay ú15 a month to run missions they've already run a hundred times. Even just 'making isk' seems rather pointless if there is no goal other than making more isk.
If you'd told me I could get 200, 000 people to pay monthly to play Excel I'd laugh at you. Yet it is undisputable. The majority of EvE players don't play EvE!
You PvP in zero or lowsec, in order to blow stuff up, right?
From my perspective, I would wonder the same thing. I can't understand why people are willing to pay ú15 a month to blow stuff up, and propably get blown up themselves on several occasion. To me, it seems rather pointless. I mean, you get nothing out of it, except fun.
My motivation in eve for the past 3 years, which is when I started the game, has been making isk, for the sake of making more of it. That's fun for me. Blowing stuff is utterly pointless and wasteful for me, but I endorse it as other peoples favourite activity, as that is what enables me to get richer.
To each their own matey.
Yep Combat PvP makes absolutely no business sense.
Market PvP is where it is at.
I make ISK so that I can buy the Skill books and stuff I need to build stuff, My untimate goal is to be able to fly and own one of every ship type in the game.
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.27 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Originally by: Corozan Aspinall No offense to anyone, sincerely, but I can't understand why people are willing to pay ú15 a month to run missions they've already run a hundred times. Even just 'making isk' seems rather pointless if there is no goal other than making more isk.
If you run enough missions you don't need to pay ú15 a month.
Oh and screw 0.0, moar wormhole space is what we need. No hotdrops, no blobs and no local.
My guess is shooting red crosses in eve is no worse for some folks then tetris or minesweeper or whatever |
Bonny Lee
Caldari Starkstrom Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.27 12:09:00 -
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Tbh i would delete Drone Regions before adding more 0.0
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Dharh
Gallente Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.27 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
Originally by: Vaal Erit Might be good for an April 1st prank but not for the game. There's just no way you are going to move people out of high sec who have been there for over a year and don't want to pvp. Which is a lot of people unfortunately...
No offense to anyone, sincerely, but I can't understand why people are willing to pay ú15 a month to run missions they've already run a hundred times. Even just 'making isk' seems rather pointless if there is no goal other than making more isk.
If you'd told me I could get 200, 000 people to pay monthly to play Excel I'd laugh at you. Yet it is undisputable. The majority of EvE players don't play EvE!
I'm wondering what the 'new' players brought in by Incarna are going to do? Used to 'better' PVE in other nameless MMO's what will be the draw? They won't want to PVP (statistically a reasonable speculation based on the percentages from WOW etc) and they will soon realise the High Sec mission thing was not a core design feature ie. the whole reason to draw you in and keep you in the game and that it is pretty tedious/repetative and leave? Or is there some evidence that these people will be fewer than MMO virgins? Or those who play 'other' genres or games, not necessarily grind based PVE focussed MMO's? Shooters etc?
Different strokes for different folks. I myself enjoy solo mining in a remote area, music blasting, working on one of my computers (IRL), or some other thing waiting for the next mining cycle. Killing the occasional rat.
Solo PVP I finding incredibly boring, no adrenalin, no heart pumping. Usually its just pop pop and done, either way. Fleet warfare on the other hand can be quite fun, but then has its own drawbacks where the fights themselves are not so fun but the give and take and accomplishments of destroying another corp are.
Missioning is almost always a means to an end. Usually its more for LP than anything else or the jump start you if your wallet is too low for your main career which requires at least an initial infusion of ISKies.
PVPers for example need to mission so they can cover the costs. Producers can run themselves into the hole and need missions to restart. Traders can make a bad trade or get blown up while moving through low sec and need missions to restart.
And despite what you may think, missions can be a fun alternative to whatever other grind you may be doing day to day, even roaming empty space waiting for someone to pop.
Making more high sec areas into low/null sec is just going to cause some people to leave and cram even more people into smaller area.
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Ryhss
Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.27 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit Might be good for an April 1st prank but not for the game. There's just no way you are going to move people out of high sec who have been there for over a year and don't want to pvp. Which is a lot of people unfortunately...
Welcome to the sandbox. The PVPers can't complain how the "carebears" play, the "carebears" can't complain how the PVPers play. Both play right.
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