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NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.07.29 22:02:00 -
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Isn't logistics kinda gay and boring to watch in a PVP movie because it's giving you no risks at all ?
And isn't fighting at a gate or a station boring to because it's no risks because it allows you to just jump out or dock up?
***i'm just trying to find out why there is any differences from fighting with logistics at a gate or a station in empire to 0.0 space.
Hint: I still liked your video, because Logistics, stations and gates is a part of the game. My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
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NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.07.29 22:47:00 -
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StarFleetCommander wrote:NightmareX wrote:Isn't logistics kinda gay and boring to watch in a PVP movie because it's giving you no risks at all ? And isn't fighting at a gate or a station boring to because it's no risks because it allows you to just jump out or dock up? ***i'm just trying to find out why there is any differences from fighting with logistics at a gate or a station in empire to 0.0 space. Hint: I still liked your video, because Logistics, stations and gates is a part of the game. do you know what you are talking about?
Search after my movie topic called 'Rebirth 4' or just look at my signature for it and see for your self on how much whining there is in my topic about logistics being used and because fights happens at stations or gates.
Then i think you know what i'm talking about. And not only that, but some players that are from the same alliance as you are in are one of those who are whining like a ***** about that in my topic.
EDIT: I still like your video. But i'm just making a point on what i'm saying. My current EVE videos.
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NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.07.29 22:57:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:NightmareX wrote:Isn't logistics kinda gay and boring to watch in a PVP movie because it's giving you no risks at all ? And isn't fighting at a gate or a station boring to because it's no risks because it allows you to just jump out or dock up? ***i'm just trying to find out why there is any differences from fighting with logistics at a gate or a station in empire to 0.0 space. Hint: I still liked your video, because Logistics, stations and gates is a part of the game. Except that since the fight is in null, we can't dock in the said stations numbnuts.
Isn't most stations in 0.0 space NPC stations? My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.07.29 23:25:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:NightmareX wrote:Gnaw LF wrote:NightmareX wrote:Isn't logistics kinda gay and boring to watch in a PVP movie because it's giving you no risks at all ? And isn't fighting at a gate or a station boring to because it's no risks because it allows you to just jump out or dock up? ***i'm just trying to find out why there is any differences from fighting with logistics at a gate or a station in empire to 0.0 space. Hint: I still liked your video, because Logistics, stations and gates is a part of the game. Except that since the fight is in null, we can't dock in the said stations numbnuts. Isn't most stations in 0.0 space NPC stations? There are only 6 NPC 0.0 regions, they are: Cruse, Stain, Syndicate, Venal, Outer Ring and Great Wildlands. There are way more Sov null sec regions than NPC null and as far as I know the fights in the video all happen in Sov nullsec. Its the Sov and station owners who get to chose who can dock in their station and who can't. L2P.
I know all of this. But what about gates then ?
No one can stop you from jumping out. My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.07.29 23:38:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:Except aggression or the nice little fact that this is not a nifty and comfy high sec and that there might even be something worse on the other side of the gate. Face it, high sec pvp is laughable and you are just living in stubborn denial.
There might also be something worse waiting on the other side of the gate in high sec to waiting for us to aggress.
Is there any difference?
My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.07.30 00:27:00 -
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StarFleetCommander wrote:NightmareX wrote:Isn't logistics kinda gay and boring to watch in a PVP movie because it's giving you no risks at all ? i dare you to risk a 60-70bil fleet against a blob twice your size with out logistics they can shoot
That's the point. Why whine about logistics and that kind of things when you actually are fighting outnumbered?
Take a look at my movie (Rebirth 4 in my signature) and load the YouTube link and watch the last fight just to take an example.
Now we don't risks alot of isks in the last fight there, but we are fighting HEAVILY outnumbered there. Our war targets there have 4 times more ships than we have.
That's what i'm more discussing about here. Alot of peoples was whining and crying in my movie topic because we was even using logistics in the last fight i'm talking about here.
Do you see the point i'm trying to make here?
Maybe you should slap some of your alliance buddys because they don't like logistics ?
Gnaw LF wrote:NightmareX wrote:Gnaw LF wrote:Except aggression or the nice little fact that this is not a nifty and comfy high sec and that there might even be something worse on the other side of the gate. Face it, high sec pvp is laughable and you are just living in stubborn denial. There might also be something worse waiting on the other side of the gate in high sec to waiting for us to aggress. Is there any difference? Yes, the difference is that you need to L2P.
Yes, i have learned that there is tons of risks both ways. My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
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Posted - 2012.07.30 22:10:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:NightmareX wrote:
Yes, i have learned that there is tons of risks both ways.
Actually, you have learned nothing at all.
May i ask on what exactly i haven't learned anything about here? My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
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Posted - 2012.08.01 00:55:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:And now nightmare takes a stab at our thread.
Nightmare just **** off, you are ****, your videos are ****, your arguments are ****, your life is ****, your family is ****, your mum is ****, face it...you are a big massive steaming pile of gods ****.
/thread You seems to be pretty angry / butthurt because i used the same statements / arguments in this movie topic as you did to my movie.
Want a hug if that makes you feel any better? My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.08.02 22:02:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:NightmareX wrote:Gibbo3771 wrote:And now nightmare takes a stab at our thread.
Nightmare just **** off, you are ****, your videos are ****, your arguments are ****, your life is ****, your family is ****, your mum is ****, face it...you are a big massive steaming pile of gods ****.
/thread You seems to be pretty angry / butthurt because i used the same statements / arguments in this movie topic as you did to my movie. Want a hug if that makes you feel any better? ArmyOfMe wrote:Why in gods name do you feel the need to **** up someone's thread? Why did someone else needs to **** up my thread then? If logistics and gate / station fights is a no-no in my movie, then why should that be a go-for-it or accepted here? Just because you are in 0.0 space doesn't makes logistics or gate / station fights any more accepted over this in empire. Its nothing to do with the logistics/station/gate fights in your movie. Its the utter boredum of you sitting there hitting f1, the constant increase in neutral RR whenever its needed, the complete lack of skill/effort in every fight. Add all this together with a stubborn idiot trying to prove something to people thats been around since 2003, done by 1000's of players over the years that he IS THE BEST at it when the best you can do involves little to no skill at all. If that is the best you can do, you are ****. Get over yourself and get ****** you ******** piece of smelly inbred ****. I hope your next shite is a hedgehog.
Awww, soo cute. Someone REALLY needs a hug here.
And this movie is not a F1-F8 spam button movie where all just spams for reps if you get shot after what your saying?
Yeah, you move a little around in this movie, but does moving makes you a better PVP'er over someone who doesn't move much because of how things are in empire when it comes to close range fighting?
Just because you have to move more in 0.0 space because of bubbles and that kind of *****, doesn't grant you a 'better PVP'er' status.
And my movie is simply boring to you because your a 0.0 space fanboi who knows blobbing is the key to win in 0.0 space. My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.08.03 23:09:00 -
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Nice for you that you have the balls to fight while you are outnumbered. But fighting with nano ships at long ranges is not as risky as what we are doing at freaking close range here. My current EVE videos.
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NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:52:00 -
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HandofSatan wrote:Flying in nano is fun but there are huge risks when fighting more then 2x your gang size. Usually tons of tackle/recons + u fail to see the big picture which is that aquila does small gang stuff so what u see is what you get. Not nuetral rr or most of those fights that were linked had ZERO logi if not all (didnt click all those stinking links!) So easy to overwhelm even kiters and push them off the field also who do u think points targets? obviously theyre not all at range as you would think.
NightmareX learn to eve. After looking up some of your fights and 'pvp' I realize you clearly arent very good at this game regardless IF YOUR TROLLING OR NOT. Make this thread as long as you wish, complain as much as you want but in the end you guys still SUCK at this video game and that is no troll.
As long as you can keep distance and kill those tacklers and recons (because those are nano hac's worst nightmare) asap then you can just continue to keep distance and warp out if **** hits the fans.
Yes, i have done nano gangs many many times in my 8 years of playing EVE. And i know how it works.
If you only looks at amounts of kills i have in total, you are pretty bad at eve i'm afraid. Because no one would only look at the amount of kills you have when you have damage done, losses, kill ratio and so on to. There are alot of things that counts on how good you are in PVP.
Because killing 500 shuttles and t1 frigs every day at a low sec gate in a smartbomb battleship isn't going to give you a 'pro' status in PVP.
Royal Jedi wrote:Im sure all those t1 cruisers and frigates really were tough to kill mate. gg.
Not sure if you are blind or what, but i'm pretty sure that we was fighting 6-7+ Battleships + many other ships to in one fight with just some few Battlecruisers and T3 ships, just to take an example.
So yes, it's pretty risky specially when you don't know how many ship they actually have against us.
In the last fight in the YouTube link i gave you, you will see that Ushwi warps away at the end. Take a guess on why we did run away there?
Yes, RvB had alot more ships on the other side of the gate. They was jumping in so many ships at the end that it's a boundary on how much DPS a Battlecruiser can take even under logistics.
If all of the RvB guys had jumped in before we had got away, we would be about 1:7 outnumbered.
Yup, totally risk free i must say . My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
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NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.08.05 02:04:00 -
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Klown Walk wrote:If a solo mach goes into low sec and uses his speed/mobility at a gate to kill a bunch of stuff, does that make him a bad pvper/worse than you?
No, i'm saying that a nano fleet or a nano ship have a much better chances to survive and be able to get out of a fight over someone who are fighting at close range all from 2 to 6 times outnumbered where they are comitted to either win or die in most cases.
Still doesn't make you to be a bad PVPer just because you are a nano pvper. Because it's your style of doing PVP.
What i'm talking about is that amount of kills CAN'T give ANY answers on how good we are in PVP. The quality on the kills, how much damage we have done with our kills, how many losses we have and how many isks we have lost in those losses, kill ratio and so on is also important on how good we are in PVP. My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.08.05 11:53:00 -
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SpaceSavage wrote:NightmareX wrote:Isn't logistics kinda gay and boring to watch in a PVP movie because it's giving you no risks at all ? And isn't fighting at a gate or a station boring to because it's no risks because it allows you to just jump out or dock up? ***i'm just trying to find out why there is any differences from fighting with logistics at a gate or a station in empire to 0.0 space. Hint: I still liked your video, because Logistics, stations and gates is a part of the game. first, we don't have 1 guardian for 1 T3 like you have 1 guardian for 1 BS, it's usually 1 guardian for every 5 T3s second, our guardians have the same chance of getting popped just as any other ships in fleet, not like neutral guardian. third, most of us have slave, talisman in our heads even we fight in 0.0 space with bubble everywhere, not like you afraid of losing your slave when it comes to LS. forth, you have a 5b vindi and only have balls to use it in HISEC, but switch to mega when it comes to LS. Each of us have 5 1b T3s and consider them as disposable, no matter what sec status we're fighting in. I hope that's enough
1. The reason we have so many logistics is because we are fighting heavily outnumbered most of the times IN CLOSE RANGE FIGHTS. And because the DPS income on our ships when we are fighting someone who have 3 or 4 times more ships than us is insane, then i think most peoples will understand why we use logistics quite alot.
You know, commiting to a fight at close range is way more dangerous than committing to a fight at a range with nano ships.
2. Yeah, that's right. But it doesn't really matter if the logistics is a neutral alt or an alliance or corp logistic alt since a logistic is a logistic.
3. I'm not afraid to lose anything of what i have. I'm just being carefull on what i'm doing while i use expensive things in empire and low sec. Because if your not carefull, you will just die in a fire pretty fast then.
4. When my movie was made, my Vindicator did cost 2.8 bill isk. But i have upgraded it after my movie was made. So now it cost about 4.6 bill isk.
But the Vindicator isn't the only thing i have that costs isks. My 10 implants costs about 1.6-1.8 bill isk to. When i made my movie, i had 10 implants that was worth 900 mill isk.
I switched to the Megathron because i needed Megathron footages to my movie. It's as simple as that. My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.08.05 13:59:00 -
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Prez21 wrote:I have nothing against you but your high sec pvp is very low risk, we fight heavily outnumbered in hostile space without any stations to run to when things get tough.
High sec may be risk free in some ways yes. But can you explain precisely why we have low risk in what we are doing?
The only differences here is that once we commit to a fight at close range, we are either gonna win or die. You that are in 0.0 space with no stations can still commit to fight and still be able to run away (because you use smaller ships than we do, and they are much faster to) with very few losses and wait out the 1 minute timer and get out of the system.
We still have to tank the whole fleet and wait one minute to be able to get out of a fight.
You see the differences? My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
NightmareX
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Posted - 2012.08.05 14:54:00 -
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Prez21 wrote:NightmareX wrote:Prez21 wrote:I have nothing against you but your high sec pvp is very low risk, we fight heavily outnumbered in hostile space without any stations to run to when things get tough. High sec may be risk free in some ways yes. But can you explain precisely why we have low risk in what we are doing? The only differences here is that once we commit to a fight at close range, we are either gonna win or die. You that are in 0.0 space with no stations can still commit to fight and still be able to run away (because you use smaller ships than we do, and they are much faster to) with very few losses and wait out the 1 minute timer and get out of the system. We still have to tank the whole fleet and wait one minute to be able to get out of a fight. You see the differences? The reason why your fights are low risk is because you have 4 or 5 neautral logistics to rep you and if things get a little tough, you stop aggressing and dock up. The only way you will die is if you make a mistake or the enemies bring overwhelming dps to break your logistics reps within 1 min which is likely not going to happen. Your also very ignorant on how we pvp, we use kronos, vindicators, bhaalgorns and a host of close range t3 ships which arent made for running away, we fight vastly outnumbered, with usually only a few logistic ships between our much larger gangs than yours and against much larger hostile fleets in their home space.
And if the logistics gets jammed, then what?
You still don't see why there is always high risks in what we are doing. The only thing that is needed to break our logistic reps is to use multiple Falcons.
But as you explain, it seems to me that you are fighting in another way then we do, but even then, we both have high risks in what we are doing. My current EVE videos.
Rebirth 4: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131123
Bringers of Hatred: http://tinyurl.com/BOHINFOD |
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