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sasabor
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Posted - 2010.08.31 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids I just realized, all this talk about Dawn of War and the Horus Heresy novels and nobody here mentioned the awful truth that connects the two.
of course it must be warhammer 40k
I still have the original 1st edition rulebook from 1987 and played the game (together with the epic version)till the late 90's then i got sick and tired of Games workshop and their policy of forcing players to buy a new codex and matching figurines every 6 months plus i never forgave themwhen they deleted the squats from their listand niverse with some stupid back story
Thank God there is still dark heresy role playgame , a friend of mine and one of the best gamemasters i ever played with even converted the Eisenhorn trilogy into a roleplay campaing needless to say we all failed and died horribly.
Also like to thank the black libraries for giving us those great novels of that greatSF/horror universe
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.08.31 13:13:00 -
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As ive never read black library books: are they any good? And i mean Orson Scott Card good not yet_another_Forgotten_Realms_novel_good? So are they ok to read or so cheesy/generic it leaks out?
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Gneeznow
Minmatar Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire As ive never read black library books: are they any good? And i mean Orson Scott Card good not yet_another_Forgotten_Realms_novel_good? So are they ok to read or so cheesy/generic it leaks out?
its hit and miss, some are worth reading some arent, even though a lot of people recommend gaunts ghosts there are plenty of cheesyness and /facepalm at times in the series, even so I've not regretted reading them because dan abnett makes up for it with some vivid storytelling, like I said earlier if you want somewhere to start, first gaunts ghosts omnibus and ciaphas cain's death or glory are good places.
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:09:00 -
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What bout Horus Heresy novels (ones OP said about)? Kinda searching for stuff around armies i collect/collected atm (TSons, Nids, Necrons)
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Gneeznow
Minmatar Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire What bout Horus Heresy novels (ones OP said about)? Kinda searching for stuff around armies i collect/collected atm (TSons, Nids, Necrons)
out of the 6 of them I've read I would give them a 6/10 there are better series's out there, half of the space marines in the horus heresy behave like your typical overly aggressive compensating-for-something types and the primarchs mostly behave like children (with the exception of ferrus manus)
worth reading if you've the time but not the best to start out with.
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:33:00 -
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Thx, will check em out starting with Gaunt i guess.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.08.31 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire As ive never read black library books: are they any good? And i mean Orson Scott Card good not yet_another_Forgotten_Realms_novel_good? So are they ok to read or so cheesy/generic it leaks out?
As much as I love both W40K and sci-fi books in general, I once tried reading one of those but the writing turned out to be so bad, formulaic and cheesy I just couldn't bring myself to go on after a short while... hell, it (painfully) reminds me of the awful fiction I once had the imprudence to attempt writing as a teenager
I'm scraping my resin-encrusted membrane trying to remember the name of that book, but it escapes me right now. I pretty much picked up a random black library title from those available at my local game store, but I don't know if I was unlucky enough to choose the worst one ever published, or if their general quality aims that low. I enjoy the W40K lore, but I can think of far better ways to waste away my mind with than such abominable prose.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.08.31 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 31/08/2010 17:56:03
Originally by: sasabor After reading ' thousand sons' i am more and more convinced that the emperor knew this was going to happen, including the final confrotation with horus and his entombment on the golden throne.
Hm. I could see maybe the Emperor knowing the future and seeing the Heresy. Perhaps even knowing it would be a tie and lead to godhood, but I got the impression from the Thousand Sons novel that the emperor knew but was hoping for Magnus the Red to behave himself. Then the victory against chaos would be certain, with the Space Wolves being at full strength and Thousand Sons remaining allies. Magnus was an unknown element because he could see the future aswell.
Originally by: Gneeznow
Originally by: Deva Blackfire What bout Horus Heresy novels (ones OP said about)? Kinda searching for stuff around armies i collect/collected atm (TSons, Nids, Necrons)
out of the 6 of them I've read I would give them a 6/10 there are better series's out there, half of the space marines in the horus heresy behave like your typical overly aggressive compensating-for-something types and the primarchs mostly behave like children (with the exception of ferrus manus)
worth reading if you've the time but not the best to start out with.
I thought the Primarchs were childish because they are so powerful they don't need to take crap from anyone. Similarly with space marines, the power makes them pretty egotistical.
That said, considering they are hundreds of years old they should have picked up some wisdom.
Horus came across quite intelligent in the first books, very manipulative and charismatic, but later books with different authors changed him.
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sasabor
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Posted - 2010.09.01 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire As ive never read black library books: are they any good? And i mean Orson Scott Card good not yet_another_Forgotten_Realms_novel_good? So are they ok to read or so cheesy/generic it leaks out?
Some of the space marine novels are indeed a bit cheesy, usually goes like ..oohh look another demon lets do a quick prayer and slay the demon, tho there some good stories in between aswell good examples are like the second story of the first ultra marine omnibus,can't remember the title but it is a epic defence versus the tyranids or another good series is the first spacewolf omnibus wich decribes the recruitment into the chapter and the traTining they undergo to become a space marine
Recently you had 2 new novels aswell without any spacemarines or imperial guards in them even without xenos One is the Enforcer omnibus , wich is the story of a adeptus arbites officer on a hive world , in the third story of that book gives you a great description of how the astronomica telapathica work
and another recent book is the path of the warrior, about a Eldar aspect warrior, a great insight in how eldar society works
And like many others mentioned before Dan abnett Gaunt's Ghost novels,Eisenhorn trilogy and ravenor omnibus
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.01 06:57:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 01/09/2010 07:01:40
The only book I've ever read (read enough of the wikis and whatnot else, just no other "story" books so far) was the one where the Ultramarines plus some random inquisitor in disguise plus the meddling of some Dark Eldar and an unstable(-ish) planet government end up in a series of events waking up "The Nightbringer" (which, if I remember corectly, was also what the book was called). It was sort-of-ok, I guess, but nothing I'd go ga-ga about. How would you characterize the rest of the books that came out, where does that one fit in, quality-wise, near the bottom, near the top, or about average ?
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sasabor
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Posted - 2010.09.01 07:23:00 -
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If you not into the WH40k game i can understand these novels are not your type of literature And i am certainly not saying they are masterworks , but if you been playing the game aslong as i did these novels and are pretty good, Most W40K players will agree with this
Also think it is the same for AD&D players and all the forgotten realms novels, they probably say the same about their novels, or when i was still playing the original Battletech, those battletech novels were really good,
great escapism
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.01 08:25:00 -
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Hey, I played the DoW games, I had read the wikis and the stuff before playing the games thanks to already being mildly interested, and I read that particular book because it was the one I had handy and I already kind of liked "that universe", so to speak. I've read noticeable worse Sci-Fi books before, for sure. I was just wondering how indicative that particular book was for the general level of writing in WH40k books, if it's worth reading more or not. If the rest are about that good or even better, great, I'll get more. If that one I read was one of the best and the rest are mostly "meh", better not bother.
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Emsee
Empire Assault Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.01 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Hey, I played the DoW games, I had read the wikis and the stuff before playing the games thanks to already being mildly interested, and I read that particular book because it was the one I had handy and I already kind of liked "that universe", so to speak. I've read noticeable worse Sci-Fi books before, for sure. I was just wondering how indicative that particular book was for the general level of writing in WH40k books, if it's worth reading more or not. If the rest are about that good or even better, great, I'll get more. If that one I read was one of the best and the rest are mostly "meh", better not bother.
Nightbringer by Graham McNeill definately ain't one of the best 40k books out there, it's not even close to being McNeills best book.
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Koro Sarum
Amarr Red Fox Missioning INC.
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Posted - 2010.09.02 03:04:00 -
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My favorite thing about Warhammer: 40k is Squad Broken and Squad Broken 2 I can't link to them (I'd get banned) but just search for each on 1d4chan.org whenever it comes back up.
-I am by far the most annoying person ive ever met -if you though sparta was madness, obviously you haven't met me
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.02 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Emsee Nightbringer by Graham McNeill definately ain't one of the best 40k books out there, it's not even close to being McNeills best book.
Good to know, so I won't be wasting my time if I go get more... thanks
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Mark Lucius
Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.09.02 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Emsee Nightbringer by Graham McNeill definately ain't one of the best 40k books out there, it's not even close to being McNeills best book.
I've read Nightbringer too, and it doesn't stand out in my mind. The books that do stand out for me are Necropolis by Dan Abnett (mentioned earlier) and Storm of Iron by Graham McNeill.
I find that the books that have a Space Marine protagonist are generally worse than the others, because they are mostly written in such a way that you can't really relate with them. I guess that's why most people would recommend Gaunt's Ghosts or Caphias Cain. :) ---
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