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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.03 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi If your coalition is completely ignorant of politics in New Eden and is solely concerned with piracy, shouldn't this thread be moved to the Crime and Punishment forum?
Ah, but you aren't completely ignorant of politics are you? Looking at your member list and your own history, I'm seeing quite a bit of Imperial Amarrian bias. Go ahead and tell me you wouldn't be thrilled if CVA retook all of Providence and continued with Operation Deliverance.
I believe this coalition is merely a scheme to dupe rookie pilots into following Imperialist propaganda. It will take quite a lot to convince many of us otherwise.
Because of the very reason that the founder of the NRDS Coalition, the Yulai Guard, started its NRDS Campaigns in Providence, and I am a former member of CVA, yes, the membership might be biased towards Amarr, but I assure you, this is only a product of geographical positioning. I personally didnt join CVA for any other reason than the fight for NRDS. Because the NRDS Coalitions main interest is in maintaining civilization in New Eden, it is my hope that with time and effort, all kinds of NRDS groups will join up, regardless of where they live, and what minor differences we all may have. ___________________
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Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
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Posted - 2011.01.03 15:09:00 -
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Having observed both NRDS and NBSI, I can assure you that it's not so much a case of civilisation as it is labeling.
Just a thought.
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.03 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak Syyl'ara avoiding uncomfortable issues by pretending this is formal debating? What a surprise. Yelling "logical fallacy" will hardly settle the situation.
I'm not avoiding the issue.
I'm not uncomfortable.
I'm under no illusion that any formal debate on this subject would ever occur with you.
Yelling "omg slavers!" whenever something has ancillary, coincidental, or even random similarity to those things you see as "evil" will hardly produce a rational outcome. This is just another example of distorting the facts to fit your pre-conceived paranoid narrative.
Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict." Syyl'ara Infrastructure Security Coordinator |
Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.03 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Syyl'ara
Hasty Generalization Guilt-by-Association Straw Man Ad Hominem Biased Sampling Poisoning the Well Presumptive Claims Projection
Thank you for this list. Yes, each of these can be applied to statements put forth by the OP. |
Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.03 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Syyl'ara
Yelling "omg slavers!" whenever something has ancillary, coincidental, or even random similarity to those things you see as "evil" will hardly produce a rational outcome. This is just another example of distorting the facts to fit your pre-conceived paranoid narrative.
For one who enjoys pointing out logical fallacies instead of actually answering you seem to use a lot of them yourself.
Being in a coalition with capsuleers loyal to one of the slave-holding Powers is hardly random similarity. Besides, it really doesn't matter to us whether you agree with our values of right and wrong. We don't let others' opinions get in the way of what we see as just. Do you?
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 03/01/2011 19:06:35
Originally by: Borza Slavak For one who enjoys pointing out logical fallacies instead of actually answering you seem to use a lot of them yourself.
Yet you are unable to even name which ones, instead resorting to an impotent outburst of "nuh-uh, you are".
Quote: Being in a coalition with capsuleers loyal to one of the slave-holding Powers is hardly random similarity.
It isn't a similarity at all, perhaps you should look up what the word similar means. It has nothing to do with diplomatic orientations.
The similarities that do exist among the agreeing powers here is that of chosen engagement philosophy. Did U'K agree in every way with the operations of -A- and how they conducted themselves or were there some similarities in outlook and goals which produced a cooperative pact?
Now you get to pick between being an opportunist or being a hypocrite.
Choose wisely, I guess.
Quote: Besides, it really doesn't matter to us whether you agree with our values of right and wrong. We don't let others' opinions get in the way of what we see as just. Do you?
It isn't just opinions you disregard, it is facts, reason, and reality that often must go in order to continue your crusade, as well. Just as unyielding in your "faith" as the enemy you despise.
I do, in fact, consider the words of opponents carefully rather than outright dismissing them and operating in blind, obsessed pursuit of "cleansing" all "unrighteous" thoughts as you are doing. The degree to which you mirror your enemies is sometimes chilling and disturbing.
Originally by: Kazzzi Thank you for this list. Yes, each of these can be applied to statements put forth by the OP.
This, like the first of Borza's statements, is also an impotent outburst of "I know you are, but what am I". A typical tactic to resort to for those unable to generate their own independent thoughts. |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:11:00 -
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/gets popcorn
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:15:00 -
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Hey Syyl'ara, how's it feel to be in a coalition with Imperialists? Cause slavers are better than pirates amirite?
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 03/01/2011 19:20:28
Originally by: Kazzzi Hey Syyl'ara, how's it feel to be in a coalition with Imperialists? Cause slavers are better than pirates amirite?
More impotent rage.
I don't even need to memetically ask the question, you are quite clearly very upset right now.
-A- were imperialists, as well so I'll take that to mean that you've chosen hypocrisy as your answer. |
Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.03 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Syyl'ara Edited by: Syyl''ara on 03/01/2011 19:13:39
Originally by: Borza Slavak For one who enjoys pointing out logical fallacies instead of actually answering you seem to use a lot of them yourself.
Yet you are unable to even name which ones, instead resorting to an impotent outburst of "nuh-uh, you are".
Do I really have to? Last time I called you on it you admitted to using one fallacy and waved away the others you had used. It's here on GalNet, though I'm amused by your continued huffing and puffing about How One Debates so feel free to ignore it.
Originally by: Syyl'ara
Quote: Being in a coalition with capsuleers loyal to one of the slave-holding Powers is hardly random similarity.
It isn't a similarity at all, perhaps you should look up what the word similar means. Being in a coalition is a diplomatic orientation, not a declaration that the participants agree in absolutely every way with each other. You are attempting to assert that by virtue of being a member of this coalition alone, one endorses or condones slavery somehow. That you've utterly failed to even remotely prove this claim seems to be eluding you.
Indeed. I was saying that it is not a random similarity. Please stop trying to write between the lines in my posts. As a member of this coalition you are co-operating with slavers against pirates. Whether you agree with them entirely or not is immaterial, you are indirectly supporting them. Don't pretend surprise at this, for years Ushra'Khan held each and every capsuleer eking a living out of CVA's Providence as collaborators by the same principle.
Originally by: Syyl'ara
Quote: Besides, it really doesn't matter to us whether you agree with our values of right and wrong. We don't let others' opinions get in the way of what we see as just. Do you?
It isn't just opinions you disregard, it is facts, reason, and reality that often must go in order to continue your crusade, as well. Just as unyielding in your "faith" as the enemy you despise.
You're missing my point. I said that we don't care about others' opinions of right and wrong after you felt the need to describe slavery as inverted comma evil inverted comma.
What your argument seems to come down to is angry pretentious words about how consorting with our enemies is insufficient reason for us to hold you in contempt and by doing so we are clearly insane. Obviously we disagree. Let's leave it at that, collaborator.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.03 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kazzzi on 03/01/2011 20:06:29 For the record, I do get quite upset when Imperial Amarrian interests are hidden under the guise of PR friendly terms like NRDS. Sometimes I even get upset enough to kill people. I suppose that makes me a pirate to report in your intel channel you share with several pro-Amarrian groups and even a pro-Khanid Kingdom one.
Though I admit I do admire Codo for his courage, drive and idealism, I still question his rationale, intentions and associations. |
Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.03 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak Do I really have to?
Yes, if you want the accusation to stick you need to do more than vaguely refer to an error being made somewhere in the statements.
Quote: Last time I called you on it you admitted to using one fallacy and waved away the others you had used. It's here on GalNet, though I'm amused by your continued huffing and puffing about How One Debates so feel free to ignore it.
Last time? See, again just vague and imprecise assertion. Also, I find my capacity to admit my mistakes to be a sign of maturity as opposed to those who presume themselves infallible. Finally, you act as if waving away fallacies is poor form and then go right on to say that the venue excuses it anyways. What a wonderful capacity for cognitive dissonance you seem to have.
Quote: Indeed. I was saying that it is not a random similarity. Please stop trying to write between the lines in my posts.
If there weren't holes in reasoning large enough to get a Megathron through, I wouldn't be able to.
Quote: As a member of this coalition you are co-operating with slavers against pirates. Whether you agree with them entirely or not is immaterial, you are indirectly supporting them.
It is quite relevant to the point...actually it is the entire point (which is why you so immediately dismiss it). You are arbitrarily determining what constitutes "indirect support" and where such a trivial distinction begins and ends. Has U'K never once in its history brought damage upon an entity for preying upon them which has also preyed upon a group which engages in slavery? Would it not then be just as guilty of this "indirect support" as those they now vilify? Just more hypocrisy, then.
Quote: Don't pretend surprise at this, for years Ushra'Khan held each and every capsuleer eking a living out of CVA's Providence as collaborators by the same principle.
Which is the very definition of guilt-by-association. A tactic employed by your enemies to extend slavery from one generation to another. This fits your pattern of hypocrisy displayed thus far, however, so no surprise is held on my part.
Quote: You're missing my point. I said that we don't care about others' opinions of right and wrong after you felt the need to describe slavery as inverted comma evil inverted comma.
There's a difference between missing the point and disagreeing with your point.
I wasn't dismissing slavery as evil as your statement attempts to opportunistically suggest, either. Just another example of you interpreting things however you wish to fit your narrative. You don't get to assert what the motives behind my statements are (Poisoning the Well) while simultaneously demanding I not infringe upon your right to see the world your way.
Quote: What your argument seems to come down to is angry pretentious words about how consorting with our enemies is insufficient reason for us to hold you in contempt and by doing so we are clearly insane. Obviously we disagree. Let's leave it at that, collaborator.
That is not my argument (Straw Man). My argument is that your outlook is inconsistently applied (Biased Sampling) and if it were, you'd find yourself equally guilty of what you hold to be such a damning affront.
So hold all the contempt you want, hypocrite.
Some of us don't let our beliefs get determined by fallacy-filled attempts to shame or stigmatize, to blow in the winds of ignorant public perception. I'm really not concerned with the opinions of those who would be swayed by the kind of hyperbolic rhetoric you employ to begin with. |
Elendria Sun'khar
Amarr Khanid Anti Slavery League
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Posted - 2011.01.03 20:45:00 -
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Even I think it is ridiculous to accuse the Intaki Prosperity Initiative of collaboration with slavers. This coalition, it would seem to me, is based on an ideal, and one joins if one agrees with that ideal. The ideal is anti-piracy.
It really does seem that simple to me.
If you have some real evidence of slavery in the NCA, by all means produce it, I'm certain that the IPI will withdraw
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Pablos Locos
Caldari Discount Slave Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.03 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Syyl'ara Impotent.. hypocrisy..
Your comments aren't helping Mr. Yagari's cause. Your incessant nit picking and irrational arguing is tarnishing his otherwise very interesting project.
I request that you would please show some self control and form your statements with a bit more tact. Many of us are very interested in seeing this unique project succeed. It would be a disappointment to see its reputation ruined by a loud mouthed brat.
As far as the detractors are concerned, you can't please everyone. Eventually the NRDS coalition may even help smooth political differences by unifying opposing factions against NBSI. |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.03 23:04:00 -
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Look at all that yelling.
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.04 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 04/01/2011 00:15:28
Originally by: Pablos Locos Your comments aren't helping Mr. Yagari's cause. Your incessant nit picking and irrational arguing is tarnishing his otherwise very interesting project.
Mr. Yagari can speak for himself quite fine, I would assume. You presumptively postulating might actually be more insulting. In fact, as long as we're just making stuff up at random, I'll just go ahead and say it is.
You choosing to highlight how I used some abrasive words in my replies immediately followed by stuffing your own response full of negative adjectives is amusing to me.
Quote: I request that you would please show some self control and form your statements with a bit more tact. Many of us are very interested in seeing this unique project succeed. It would be a disappointment to see its reputation ruined by a loud mouthed brat.
Request all you want, it is your breath to waste. On the subject of tact, look in the mirror.
I resent the suggestion that I am somehow not among those who wish to see the project succeed.
Your final comment is nothing more than a personal insult, again demonstrating your own capacity for acting like a hypocrite after requesting tact and pretending to be so concerned about the tone used in discussions with others.
If walking around on eggshells to avoid hurting anyone's precious little feelings is your modus operandi, feel free to operate as such, but when hostility is offered, I will return the favor and not restrain myself for the sake of some people's delicate sensibilities. This is about like punching someone in the face and then immediately asking them to reject violence.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn Look at all that yelling.
Who was yelling?
I wasn't aware text had a volume.
Speaking only for myself, I prefer using strong words rather than a raised voice.
Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict." Syyl'ara Infrastructure Security Coordinator |
Pablos Locos
Caldari Discount Slave Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.04 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Syyl'ara
I resent the suggestion that I am somehow not among those who wish to see the project succeed.
If you did wish to see it succeed, you wouldn't derail Mr. Yagari's thread with endless unproductive TL;DR walls of quotes. |
Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.04 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 04/01/2011 02:57:42
Originally by: Pablos Locos
Originally by: Syyl'ara
I resent the suggestion that I am somehow not among those who wish to see the project succeed.
If you did wish to see it succeed, you wouldn't derail Mr. Yagari's thread with endless unproductive TL;DR walls of quotes.
False Dichotomy is false.
What is productive or unproductive is a subjective matter.
"TL;DR walls of quotes" is a typical rhetorical device for those too uneducated to appreciate intellectualism. My advice is stay out of discussions that you aren't properly equipped for in the future. |
Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Codo Yagari on 04/01/2011 03:37:09
Fellow New Edians.
The matter of slavery is indeed one of the most sensitive and disruptive of the harmony between the folks of New Eden.
I can assure those that are in doubt that the NRDS Coalition has absolutely no interest in promoting slavery, in fact, my own corporation, the founder of the NRDS Coalition, has as a membership directive saying that slavery must not be supported.
Friends, this is damage control. If you have a bag of apples, and a few are rotten, will you throw the whole bag away? No, because if you did, you would find yourself quickly to be starving. In the same way we will not abandon other NRDS organizations just because their ideologies are not perfect, then we would quickly find ourselves to be without friends.
Piracy and NBSI is, as far as I am concerned, the greatest threat to the sanctity of New Eden. As mentioned before, being part of a coalition does not mean that one has to share the exact same ideology. However, this coalition is opposed to piracy and NBSI, and this is its very foundation and basic idea. It means we are not willing to just sit by while those that are innocent get shot down. Personally I consider space to be free, and if I happen to fly in Amarr controlled space, and even fight alongside NRDS forces in the region, it does not mean that I am pro-slavery.
This is where the line of this coalition has been drawn, on the one side you have NRDS and a desire for order, and on the other you have NBSI and disregard for innocent life. There are certainly other major issues and unfairities that needs to be dealt with, but we have to start with the biggest ones. ___________________
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Pablos Locos
Caldari Discount Slave Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.04 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Pablos Locos on 04/01/2011 03:58:49
Originally by: Syyl'ara
"TL;DR walls of quotes" is a typical rhetorical device for those too uneducated to appreciate intellectualism. My advice is stay out of discussions that you aren't properly equipped for in the future.
Actually, excessive walls of quotes are often a sign of obsessive compulsive disorder. Feeling the need to argue and debate every point no matter how irrelevant. I understand if you are sick, so I won't hold it against you.
But insulting ones intelligence is usually either a projection of insecurity with ones own mental state or a weak attempt at trolling usually followed up with a rude comment about genitalia. If the genitalia comment doesn't appear next, then again I understand it is merely part of your disorder and I won't hold it against you. |
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.04 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pablos Locos Actually, excessive walls of quotes are often a sign of obsessive compulsive disorder. Feeling the need to argue and debate every point no matter how irrelevant. I understand if you are sick, so I won't hold it against you.
But being passive-aggressive on the other hand, is perfectly healthy?
Also, your statement is utter rubbish and what a person actually informed in these subjects would call "pop culture psychology".
Quote: But insulting ones intelligence is usually either a projection of insecurity with ones own mental state or a weak attempt at trolling usually followed up with a rude comment about genitalia. If the genitalia comment doesn't appear next, then again I understand it is merely part of your disorder and I won't hold it against you.
Let me get this straight, if I had done as you describe, I'd be trolling, but since I haven't, it is supposedly further evidence of my "disorder"?
Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't. But please, do continue embarrassing yourself here, I have little else to do at the moment and am happy to keep helping. |
Pablos Locos
Caldari Discount Slave Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.04 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: Pablos Locos on 04/01/2011 05:20:21 Anxiety has many emotional components.
Speaking out of concern for others welfare shouldn't be embarrassing. Nor should it be so to seek help.
Having one disorder may put you at risk for others, especially with the stress of being a pod pilot. Don't be ashamed. It's ok to reach out. Help can show itself in odd ways. |
Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.04 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Syyl''ara on 04/01/2011 05:43:25
Originally by: Pablos Locos Anxiety has many emotional components.
Okay, but for the purposes of categorizing mental disorders, it has been clearly demonstrated you have no idea what you're talking about and basically making things up on the spot as fodder for insults.
Quote: Speaking out of concern for others welfare shouldn't be embarrassing. Nor should it be so to seek help.
Having one disorder may put you at risk for others, especially with the stress of being a pod pilot. Don't be ashamed. It's ok to reach out. Help can show itself in odd ways.
Well, this got boring fast...
Next to /Godwin, doing the "seek help" routine is probably the most over-used meme on GalNet. |
Pablos Locos
Caldari Discount Slave Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.04 05:43:00 -
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SpotlessBlade
Night Wolves Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:01:00 -
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first off, i know its been mentioned many times in here already, but maybe this way the OP will answer. So a Matari NRDS corp and an Amarr NRDS corp join your little coalition. Can they shoot each other or will only Amarr entities be allowed to join? Or hadn't you though of that? And Syll'arala'a or whatever your name is, has anyone ever told you that you're a pompous little turd? Oh wait, go ahead and critique my "logical fallacies" as if anyone gives a crap. All those years of getting beat up at your local Amarr Imperial High School have really taken their toll haven't they?
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Syyl'ara
Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: SpotlessBlade And Syll'arala'a or whatever your name is
I'm not sure how pretending that a 7-letter name is too hard for you to spell is supposed to make me the one that looks bad between the two of us.
Quote: has anyone ever told you that you're a pompous little turd?
I don't generally keep track of which particular emotional outbursts people use when they have nothing substantive to add, so I can't answer that definitively.
Quote: Oh wait, go ahead and critique my "logical fallacies" as if anyone gives a crap.
As I've mentioned at several points, I'm amusing myself, I could care less whether anyone gives a crap or not. However, since you asked, it is just pure Ad Hominem.
Quote: All those years of getting beat up at your local Amarr Imperial High School have really taken their toll haven't they?
I've never before been tempted to put a fail-quote in my bio until today, this is priceless, thank you for this precious gem, I will cherish it.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Horizonist on 04/01/2011 13:47:09 Edited by: Horizonist on 04/01/2011 13:45:20
Originally by: Kazzzi For the record, I do get quite upset when Imperial Amarrian interests are hidden under the guise of PR friendly terms like NRDS. Sometimes I even get upset enough to kill people. I suppose that makes me a pirate to report in your intel channel you share with several pro-Amarrian groups and even a pro-Khanid Kingdom one.
The NCA, which was founded by a non-loyalist corporation that actively opposes slavery, has nothing to do with one-sided faction interests. Our thrust is to spread and encourage the NRDS RoE, and to oppose piracy and like malice, since we believe this is for the greater good of everyone who plays Eve.
The members of the NCA may indeed have views that others in the Coalition disagree with, but this does not mean that the Coalition at large either supports or works for any such views. The Yulai Guard is staunchly opposed to slavery, and we will continue to be so.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Horizonist on 04/01/2011 13:46:52 double post! Sorry
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.04 14:03:00 -
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I must admit I am quite happy to hear Codo Yagari foreswearing the practise and support of slavery in the name of the NRDS Coalition. I think thats quite a progressive breakthrough and positive distance from his old connections with CVA-dominated Providence. Well done!
That said I do have some questions about the NRDS Coalition myself on which I would appreciate clear answers:
1. Is the NRDS Coalition itself as an organization prepared to condemn the practise of slavery and make that a condition of membership to ensure that slavers may not hide behind the protection of non-slavers involved in your project? 2. Can we please have a clear definition to the term "Universal NRDS"?
3. Will the NRDS Coalition (or any of its member corps/alliances) ever attempt to force the setting of 3rd Party standings in external entities under threat of violence or collective negative standings? (for example, unless x sets y ("pirate corp") -10 then x also will be set -10).
4. If an external entity considered a member entity of the NRDS Coalition -10 (for political/economic/ideological) reasons would the rest of the NRDS Coalition come to the defense of its member entity against the military actions of the external group?
5. As above, what would happen if an external entity registered a concord war declaration against an NRDS Coalition entity? Would the external entity suffer negative standings and potential aggression from the rest?
I may have some other follow-up questions when these are answered but please do consider these genuine attempts to understand the organization you are building here and consider the answers as a chance to convey understanding of your plans and designs.
NRDS is a rule of engagement first and foremost, and the idea of it as a cross factional ideology is radical to say the least, but I think we all have a duty to our intellect and open-minds to examine the concept before rejecting it.
All the best.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Codo Yagari
I can assure those that are in doubt that the NRDS Coalition has absolutely no interest in promoting slavery, in fact, my own corporation, the founder of the NRDS Coalition, has as a membership directive saying that slavery must not be supported.
This is indeed good to hear and a step in the right direction. |
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