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Terror Wheels
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:42:00 -
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i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve.
we are about 200 peeps who had rented som systems in 0.0 and started our own alliance. a few days later the AFK cloaker came. beeing there 23 hours a day makes us to do nothing. and eventually we cant make money to stay in 0.0
some guys tried ratting, but they covert cyno fleets in and cyno in cap ships. and we cant do anything?!
why is that?
I have no problem with cloaking in generel its fine.
THE IDEA
Simply make it the way that you cant fit a cloak (any type) and a cyno (any type) at the same time. So a cov ops. tengu or something like that can still camp, but he cant toss a cyno in your face.
To all the haters... you would cry too if you was camped by a single toon, and you cant do anything other than taking huge risks.
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Shadowy Assistant
Darkrime Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:45:00 -
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Why not counter hot-drop? Surely you can assemble a defense fleet, given your 200 some members.
If you can't, they you're rightly being kicked out of 0.0 for being incompetent.
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:45:00 -
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I'm not a hater, but isn't this the entire point of zero security space...the freedom to grief or PvP as you see fit with no interference from any authorities?
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John Bishop
Caldari Freedom-Technologies Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:46:00 -
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grow a pair and set a trap for your cynoed in fleet or better yet spend the time and money to get sov in your systems so you can put up cyno jammers.
if you cant or unwilling to do that leave 0.0
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Large Beam Spec 5 is a really good skill to have, because it almost puts you on a par with people using T1 projectiles. [:lol: |
Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: John Bishop grow a pair and set a trap for your cynoed in fleet or better yet spend the time and money to get sov in your systems so you can put up cyno jammers.
if you cant or unwilling to do that leave 0.0
^ This man knows what he's talking about. If you do not have a cyno jammer in your "carebearing" systems, ur doin it wrong. THE RULES of PvP'ing with Aiwha 1. Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. 2. When it does go wrong, it's probably Aiwha's fault. 3. If it's not Aiwha's fault, it soon will be |
Simply Human
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Terror Wheels ... To all the haters... you would cry too if you was camped by a single toon, and you cant do anything other than taking huge risks.
It's not solo if he has to bring in a fleet.
Why don't you have the alliance holding sov put down a cyno jammer? |
Holder Darkwynd
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:54:00 -
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Just use a cyno jammer in the system, it will stop them from being able to cyno in
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Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aessoroz on 01/09/2010 15:59:39
Originally by: Holder Darkwynd Just use a cyno jammer in the system, it will stop them from being able to cyno in
This, just takes 35 days for the sov level and a freighter escort to your system from empire with the 400k m^3 ihub upgrade for jamming thanks to ccp.
But if they are really cynoing cap ships to kill ratters, you may want to get some free cap kills with some bait and the support of the landlord alliance, because who doesn't like cap kills? :D
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Aessoroz Edited by: Aessoroz on 01/09/2010 15:59:39
Originally by: Holder Darkwynd Just use a cyno jammer in the system, it will stop them from being able to cyno in
This, just takes 35 days for the sov level and a freighter escort to your system from empire with the 400k m^3 ihub upgrade for jamming thanks to ccp.
But if they are really cynoing cap ships to kill ratters, you may want to get some free cap kills with some bait and the support of the landlord alliance, because who doesn't like cap kills? :D
Unfortunately black ops fleets are becoming more and more common...and those can't be cynojammed and are just as deadly to a ratter (having seen corpmates being dropped by 4-5 carriers or sometimes blackops...). On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |
Captain Torgo
The Geedunk Expedition
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:05:00 -
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! -YES AGAIN- ! Another fail thread about a fail topic.
Congratulations on not being able to cope with a (or so you think) afk cloaker.
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Ditch Pig
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Terror Wheels i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve.
we are about 200 peeps who had rented som systems in 0.0 and started our own alliance. a few days later the AFK cloaker came. beeing there 23 hours a day makes us to do nothing. and eventually we cant make money to stay in 0.0
some guys tried ratting, but they covert cyno fleets in and cyno in cap ships. and we cant do anything?!
why is that?
Because that's life with NO SECURITY as in null-sec.
Quote: I have no problem with cloaking in generel its fine.
Sure you don't until it "generally" makes you unhappy.
Quote: Simply make it the way that you cant fit a cloak (any type) and a cyno (any type) at the same time. So a cov ops. tengu or something like that can still camp, but he cant toss a cyno in your face.
Yes, the game it too hard CCP pls fix...
Quote: To all the haters... you would cry too if you was camped by a single toon, and you cant do anything other than taking huge risks.
Huge risks are part of EVE. Haven't you figured that out yet?
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:15:00 -
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Find out where they make their money, and send your own cloakers into their systems and see how they like it.
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Creepy CousinRoger
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:17:00 -
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Creating new game mechanics is not the way to solve player incompetence.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 01/09/2010 16:24:49
You could always invest in some smart bombs...since its rather obvious that this cloaked individual is watching your Ops...go out and have a little target practice on jetted cans...
...they are area effect weapons after all, you might get lucky with a "depth charge attack" type tactic.
Syn Callibri Mistress of the Blood Pact "Naut-elghinyrr" of Vulkor-Khaine
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:25:00 -
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In before AFK Cloaker. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Terror Wheels
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:29:00 -
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hello all your oracles...
well the alliance thats bothering us has +80 SC, we have 30 caps. YEAH COUNTER HOT DROP!!! , fools...
a cynojammer would help us a little, but first of all covert cyno is also a deadly weapon, when they have all the time in the world to wait for a ratter to give it a try.
SOV 3, for a cynojammer is alot of isk in time, and if we cant rat / mine we cant live that long.
Funny how so many people (on this forum) does not have a problem with the AFK cloakers,, i guess they are in a huge alliance with no problems at all.
if a cyno and cloak should be fitted together it should be able of somekind scanning him down, i dont know how.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 01/09/2010 16:36:48
Originally by: Terror Wheels hello all your oracles...
well the alliance thats bothering us has +80 SC, we have 30 caps. YEAH COUNTER HOT DROP!!! , fools...
a cynojammer would help us a little, but first of all covert cyno is also a deadly weapon, when they have all the time in the world to wait for a ratter to give it a try.
SOV 3, for a cynojammer is alot of isk in time, and if we cant rat / mine we cant live that long.
Funny how so many people (on this forum) does not have a problem with the AFK cloakers,, i guess they are in a huge alliance with no problems at all.
if a cyno and cloak should be fitted together it should be able of somekind scanning him down, i dont know how.
If you can not live that long and have no way to hold off an alliance with 80 SC, this new cloak change will definatly save you.
Seriously your a 200 man group facing a giant allaince, congrats you lost go home. Or join an alliance with sov, and except your not big enough for this war alone.
-- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Mal Lokrano
Gallente The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:41:00 -
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My god, again, I think there should be a auto lock system which locks any thread automatically that talks about removing t2 bpos or afk cloakers. The arguments have gotten old, its not going to change, so please HTFU or GTFO.
I only get tempted to afk cloak those who post these threads, especially on their mains. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two.
Don't bug me ingame about diplomats, I don't know wh |
Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Terror Wheels we are about 200 peeps who had rented som systems in 0.0 and started our own alliance.
How many systems?
3 systems makes about 65 people ratting in each system. I'm not sure what kind of fleets are being covertly jumped in, but with 65 blues in local it's normally not a problem?
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Terror Wheels i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve.
The real plague is posts like this. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:46:00 -
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I DEMAND THAT MY IBIS IS FIT WIF A DD
CCP DON'T CARE ABOUT US SCRUBS!
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:46:00 -
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HEY GUYS!!!
If you had fun responding to this thread, check out Terror Wheels duplicate thread in Features and Idea's!
This dude is postin pro!
-- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:47:00 -
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Hey, here's an idea... go cry to the people you pay protection to rented the space from. What the fudge are you paying them for anyway ?
Oh, wait... you pay "rent" so THEY won't attack you ? Well, then, I have ANOTHER solution for you : start ALSO paying protection renting the space you already live in from the guys that hotdrop you.
That, or realize you'd never have a chance to make it in 0.0 in your sorry state, and merge with some other corp or alliance. Or pack your tail between your legs and head back to somewhere else where the big bad wolf won't catch you.
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Baneken
Gallente School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:58:00 -
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Just a hint for those offering cyno jammers it's a rented space which usually means no moon mining, no cynos etc. However setting up a trap shouldn't be that big of an issue.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Jane Vherokior
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:05:00 -
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Sounds to me like you're not ready for 0.0. Get thee back to carebear space!! :)
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Terror Wheels we cant make money to stay in 0.0
some guys tried ratting, but they covert cyno fleets in and cyno in cap ships. and we cant do anything?!
He is not "AFK" if he is cynoing fleets in, or scouting you. Therefore there is no point to this thread at all.
Quote:
I have no problem with cloaking in generel its fine.
See, you even contradict yourself
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heheheh
Ecliptic Refuge
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 01/09/2010 17:14:11 double sry
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heheheh
Ecliptic Refuge
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:14:00 -
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so you expected to hire out some space and not be attacked with cap ships ? If you cant defend against cap ships then you shouldnt have really bothered to rent 0.0 space.
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AFK Cloaker
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:17:00 -
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:18:00 -
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Cyno jammers for the win.
BUT, I also don't think you should be able to cloak yourself indefinitely.
The fix for afk cloak:
Introduce new "cloak" and "cloak-scan" skills, and a new set of modules to help scan out cloaked ships. These scans should take a while though, perhaps at the fastest (all decloaking skills trained to V) will still take 5 minutes to find the cloaked ship. This keeps cloaked ships on the run. Those with enough skill or patience can still evade the decloakers by shifting positions every 5 minutes.
Also, allow us to install security measures in a system, like anti-cloak batteries around mining fields or planets.
Idunno, it seems to me that in real life that if you have control in a system, you upgrade the system's defenses.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:29:00 -
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The person you're 'renting' the space from should help, but they're probably too busy playing paddy cake with their NAP buddies.
Seems like the best scam going if they don't have to do anything but take your isk. It'd be cheaper to just use 0.0 space without paying anyone and lose ships now and then.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:30:00 -
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No I wouldn't cry as crying is something children, and emotionally distressed or disturbed people do. You went to 00 rented space, formed an alliance and now aren't up to dealing with your 'neighbors' who obviously want to play but you just want to do PVE in 00, I can't feel sorry for you. Go kick some people out of a WH, join an actual alliance/corp where they will let you PVE in their 00 while they protect you, go back to highsec, or just man-up.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:35:00 -
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Time to **** off everyone again.....
The flamers are correct in most of their basic points. Don't hold your breath for CCP to make 0.0 more cozy for renters (or for anyone else...). 0.0 is suppose to be the place where PLAYER empires battle for supremacy. (with a little gank squad action on the side, but in spite of what some may say, gank squad action is NOT, repeat NOT, 0.0's main function. 0.0's main function is where PLAYER empires battle for supremacy.)
My hunch is that CCP WILL nerf as needed if it starts becoming impossible for players Empires "in general" to "reliably" and "with little trouble" maintain their infrastructure due to stealth/fast raiders. (if they can't maintain due to invasion, then 0.0 is functioning as designed)
On the flip side, expect CCP to work hard to be sure that there always ARE stealth/fast raiders, and they gets some kills off the careless/unlucky....
Likewise, poorly run 0.0 space will ALWAYS be a playground for hostiles, and my STRONG hunch is that CCP likes it that way (which is why I used the term "in general" above....)
The above is all my opinion, but I'd bet money its close to the truth.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Terror Wheels
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:40:00 -
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I have no problem with the cynos in generel or cynos.
Its fine by me that a nano gang gets into our system and catch the non alerted, or make a fleet that make cynos and reinforce ours possses..
thats something we might can do something about, but a 23h cloaker we cannot.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: AFK Cloaker
Yes, that covers all the problems with AFK cloakers. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:46:00 -
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Counter hot dropping?
Determine the times they attack and come up with a time frame you can expect them to be active then mobilize defense fleets consisting of cloaky hate next to bait?
Dont rat in systems with afk cloakers? Move if they follow. If they follow mobilize a trap?
Stop ratting and figure out other ways to make isk in your area?
Always stay aligned? I know i know but it cant hurt. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:51:00 -
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*sits cloaked in this thread, watching and waiting*
*spins his cloaked ship around for a few hours*
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 01/09/2010 18:03:13
You gotta love it when someone asks for your advice and tellls you your wrong when you give it.
I am honestly starting to hope that your "afk cloaker" chases you out of 0.0 and cyno-fleet hot drops your rear to oblivion...
...my advice now, WELCOME TO EVE NOOB, WORKING AS INTENDED!
Hello Kitty online is that way.
Syn Callibri Mistress of the Blood Pact "Naut-elghinyrr" of Vulkor-Khaine
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Senghir
Amarr Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Terror Wheels i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve.
we are about 200 peeps who had rented som systems in 0.0 and started our own alliance. a few days later the AFK cloaker came. beeing there 23 hours a day makes us to do nothing. and eventually we cant make money to stay in 0.0
some guys tried ratting, but they covert cyno fleets in and cyno in cap ships. and we cant do anything?!
why is that?
I have no problem with cloaking in generel its fine.
THE IDEA
Simply make it the way that you cant fit a cloak (any type) and a cyno (any type) at the same time. So a cov ops. tengu or something like that can still camp, but he cant toss a cyno in your face.
To all the haters... you would cry too if you was camped by a single toon, and you cant do anything other than taking huge risks.
Screw you. That's the entire point of covert recons. You're just whining because your enemies wont sit still whilst you hit them. Maybe crosswords should come with the answers filled in for you too... |
DNSBLACK
Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:30:00 -
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Correct me if Iam wrong.
AFK = Away From Keyboard.
Unless an eve player has found a way to pvp away from their key board then I have a hard time understanding how a AFK person can kill you. About all he can do is disturb you sense of security. The other thing i dont understand is how you know he is AFK if the only time you see him is when he is killing you with his friends.
Matter fact I cant remeber a time ever in this game that I died to a afk player.
So what you are saying is you are dieing to a PVP macro. LOL. So now we have macro miners, macro ratters and macro pvpers.
Challenge yourself and learn to play eve it is a hard game and that is what we enjoy.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: DNSBLACK Correct me if Iam wrong.
AFK = Away From Keyboard.
After awhile you get used to people around here just arbitrarily adding AFK to things.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: DNSBLACK Correct me if Iam wrong.
AFK = Away From Keyboard.
After awhile you get used to people around here just arbitrarily adding AFK to things.
Stop AFK PVP, I am tired of dieing in AFK gate camps!
These AFK gate campers get away with this because there is no counter in game, if we don't stop this null sec will become depopulated!
-- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:38:00 -
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It really is time to quit if your getting killed by a guy thats afk.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:39:00 -
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so, you have more that two connected systems, right? Go rat in system #1 until the mean old AFK cloaker comes in, then you hop to system #2 and setup a bubbled-gate camp to catch him when he comes through to spy on you again.
Without wanting to sound unnecessarily harsh, the others in this thread are right - if you can't handle this, you might not be ready for 0.0. .
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:44:00 -
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What? No AKF desu image? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue Without wanting to sound unnecessarily harsh, the others in this thread are right - if you can't handle this, you might not be ready for 0.0.
What's to stop people from deciding to 'rent' systems out just so theres some easy targets around for their buddies?
If you ask me, at least a small amount of protection should be included in the rental agreement, otherwise you're just getting screwed. By the time someone has a large enough alliance to handle the type of thing he's talking about, they wouldn't need to rent anyway.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Pesky LaRue Without wanting to sound unnecessarily harsh, the others in this thread are right - if you can't handle this, you might not be ready for 0.0.
What's to stop people from deciding to 'rent' systems out just so theres some easy targets around for their buddies?
If you ask me, at least a small amount of protection should be included in the rental agreement, otherwise you're just getting screwed. By the time someone has a large enough alliance to handle the type of thing he's talking about, they wouldn't need to rent anyway.
Not disputing that renters should get the protection of their alliance but this isn't a perfect world, it's EvE, and if a 'renting alliance' are getting hassled, a lot of the 'renter alliances' won't give a hoot.
The reality is that renting space only means you won't (shouldn't) get shot by members of the alliance they are renting from. If you can't handle what 0.0 throws at you, you're not ready to be there regardless of whether or not you can pull together your own mini-alliance. .
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia What? No AKF desu image?
But of course.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Tippia What? No AKF desu image?
But of course.
Phew! Balance is restored. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Tippia What? No AKF desu image?
But of course.
...thank you, I feel better now.
Syn Callibri Mistress of the Blood Pact "Naut-elghinyrr" of Vulkor-Khaine
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Master Hu
Caldari Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: DNSBLACK Correct me if Iam wrong.
AFK = Away From Keyboard.
Unless an eve player has found a way to pvp away from their key board then I have a hard time understanding how a AFK person can kill you. About all he can do is disturb you sense of security. The other thing i dont understand is how you know he is AFK if the only time you see him is when he is killing you with his friends.
Matter fact I cant remeber a time ever in this game that I died to a afk player.
So what you are saying is you are dieing to a PVP macro. LOL. So now we have macro miners, macro ratters and macro pvpers.
Challenge yourself and learn to play eve it is a hard game and that is what we enjoy.
Is it my turn to afk cloak in their system or yours?
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 01/09/2010 19:28:24
Originally by: Pesky LaRue The reality is that renting space only means you won't (shouldn't) get shot by members of the alliance they are renting from. If you can't handle what 0.0 throws at you, you're not ready to be there regardless of whether or not you can pull together your own mini-alliance.
But if you're losing lots of ships, what difference does it make who it is to? Paying 'rent' to one alliance just means another takes its place.
I still think he's better off just saving this isk he's paying in rent and trying to claim a 0.0 system himself. It's not much different than what he's going through now.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
CirJohn
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:30:00 -
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If you're can't deal with cyno fleets, then move out to wormspace. Your enemies would have to spend weeks looking for you AND get lucky to find you.
Your only other options are to pay all involved parties protection money (in which case I'll be camping you soon), or go back to hisec where carebears belong.
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Vrishu
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:36:00 -
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Though there is not much we could do about it, my alliance and allies would quickly counter this!
set up a watch in BS or some kind of powerful ships, wait for an attack, when it hits start a Call to Arms and get your navy and fight off the invaders!
if this happened in one of the Alliance systems we would have a a response fleet ready in 1-4mins, a counter attack in 10-20mins, and a massive fleet ready to break the enemy on their own turf in just a few days.
"Thats rite! we did it once, we can do it again >:D !!! andthen ill slerp up the tears you have after we break all your defs and factories and chase you out of 0.0 and it wil taste so good! 'Slupr slup slup slup slir slirp slup slirp!' yum! " |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:41:00 -
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Cross posting fail is the worst fail.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vrishu Though there is not much we could do about it, my alliance and allies would quickly counter this!
set up a watch in BS or some kind of powerful ships, wait for an attack, when it hits start a Call to Arms and get your navy and fight off the invaders!
if this happened in one of the Alliance systems we would have a a response fleet ready in 1-4mins, a counter attack in 10-20mins, and a massive fleet ready to break the enemy on their own turf in just a few days.
"Thats rite! we did it once, we can do it again >:D !!! andthen ill slerp up the tears you have after we break all your defs and factories and chase you out of 0.0 and it wil taste so good! 'Slupr slup slup slup slir slirp slup slirp!' yum! "
What the ****? This is the most bull**** thing I've read all day. No alliance will simply launch a massive fleet like that because some carebears got killed for being carebears. If they do, they will fail.
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Saji'us
Gallente Solitary Stealth Reclamation
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:06:00 -
[57]
Ok, simple question:
If he is an "afk cloaker" then how does he light cynos/covert cynos and hot drop you with cap ships?
He's not "AFK" at all. He is actively playing his role as a cov-ops pilot, he's just waiting for the right moment to do so. Whether you agree with the time he stays in system before doing so, is not an issue.
Cloaks are, and always having been: working fine. If there is ever a counter to cloaking, then it would completely defeat the purpose OF cloaking. Cloaking = unable to find. Finding a cloak ship that's supposed to be unfindable = a broken mechanic.
Get out of 0.0 dude. You guys obviously can't handle it and don't have the resources to defend your space, plain and simple.
Also I lol'd:
"i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve."
Then, bottom of your post:
"I have no problem with cloaking in generel its fine."
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:08:00 -
[58]
Has it occurred to anyone that it might be an unprobable T3...
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Captain Torgo
The Geedunk Expedition
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:10:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Captain Torgo on 01/09/2010 20:11:19
Originally by: Terror Wheels i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve...
...you would cry too if you was camped by a single toon, and you cant do anything other than taking huge risks.
So let me see if I understand your point of view. The "huge risk" is really just a player away from his keyboard and cloaked in your system? Is that really what you're complaining about?
Are you seriously suggesting a lone player away from his keyboard is so much of a threat to an alliance that he can bring it to its knees?
Seriously?
The only thing more dangerous than an afk player is a soggy napkin.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:15:00 -
[60]
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:16:00 -
[61]
Sniper
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:18:00 -
[62]
OP deserves a forum time out, imo. The subject line makes it obvious that he posted this knowing full well that it's a dead horse topic that has been beaten to death in a hundred other threads just like this one, yet he opted to share his drivel with the class in yet another brand new thread. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp |
B1FF
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:21:00 -
[63]
I don't understand the problem here. If they're AFK then they can't hurt you.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:29:00 -
[64]
Originally by: B1FF I don't understand the problem here. If they're AFK then they can't hurt you.
Neither does anyone else, we are usually content to point and laugh!
Try it o- lol
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:40:00 -
[65]
I think the OP has run off and hidden in the basement.
Syn Callibri Mistress of the Blood Pact "Naut-elghinyrr" of Vulkor-Khaine
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Vile Plague
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:48:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Terror Wheels i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve.
7
No they are not!
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Kiritsubo
Ritual Suicide
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:51:00 -
[67]
The AFK cloakers hate your freedom. If you stop ratting the AFK cloakers win.
Never forget...Renting isn't Free!
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Valkrin S'jomah
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Posted - 2010.09.02 13:18:00 -
[68]
If they are hot dropping your ratters they aren't exactly AFK now are they.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.02 13:28:00 -
[69]
I'm 'AKF Typing' apparently.
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.02 13:42:00 -
[70]
If you can't defend yourself from an enemy you don't deserve your space, simples. If you have 200 people how can you do nothing? What would you do if the same guys came with their cap ships and took your space? Hide in the station?
If you had any backbone you would be setting atrap for these guys. And if you are renting space from someone maybe they would help with the firepower for such atrap? i.e. you send some guys out ratting but fit a cyno, enemy hot drops caps, you drop caps on them. Anyone with space to rent out in the first place must have caps and the prospect of a hot-drop will entice most.
Finally if its the caps that are a problem get a cyno jammer, then its only cloaky recons you need to worry about and they are inferior to standard ships in a stand up fight.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.09.02 14:17:00 -
[71]
lol go back to HS noob, and get wardeced lol.
If you are getting pwned by someone *AFK* give me your stuff and quit eve you failed.
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Djavo
Storm Solutions
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Posted - 2010.09.02 15:34:00 -
[72]
Who in their right mind is worried about an 'AFK' player... you had 200 people and yet in the end you all stayed in the POS or docked because you were worried about that uber 'AFK' player.
You've given me an idea for my next step in EVE, I'm going to be rich... RICH! Rich I tell thee!!!
p.s. What system are you in so that I can come and pwn you in the face with my unarmed Anathema and then ransom you for a bucket load of iskies!!! mwhahaha
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Space Hog
NEW DAWN CO Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2010.09.02 17:11:00 -
[73]
Pay me 500 Mill and I will keep you neutral and limit my AFK cloaker and MACRO PVP pilots to a system one over.
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Myz Toyou
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.09.02 17:25:00 -
[74]
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
Quoting AFK Cloaker to support his statement.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.02 17:26:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
Quoting AFK Cloaker to support his statement.
Silent Protest, he has rights too.
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Kalain ap'Sulen
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.09.02 17:54:00 -
[76]
I'm afk reading this thread..i'll be back in a bit to post my thoughts. Quando ami flunkus morti. |
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.02 19:12:00 -
[77]
Had an afk cloaker in my system. Just fit a warp stab. He didn't dare get closer (scram) and couldn't fit two disrupters, so he eventually left.
I honestly can't see how, with fitting a stab, an afk-cloaker cyno'ing crap in is a problem. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.09.02 19:19:00 -
[78]
Thread is now about the bigger plague that is AFK ratters
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.02 19:21:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Dirk Mortice Thread is now about the bigger plague that is AFK ratters
Uhhh... I consider them a gift from above. Its even better when they're macroed to move around! Like the ducks at the carnival! THE RULES of PvP'ing with Aiwha 1. Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. 2. When it does go wrong, it's probably Aiwha's fault. 3. If it's not Aiwha's fault, it soon will be |
THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari Kaleidascopic Military Association
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Posted - 2010.09.02 19:59:00 -
[80]
Edited by: THERisingPHOENIX on 02/09/2010 19:59:52 Usually the problem is AFK Cloaker staying in ur system annoying the residents coz they dont know whether or not they are afk to disrupt activities from fully operating or not afk actively hunting in the system.
Pretty cheap way to harrass players in a system is what ppl are whining about. Therefore a suggestion toward idea to counter this might be needed.
Got a AFK cloaker in my system atm
Edit:spelling
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Germaldi's sister
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.02 20:08:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Terror Wheels i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plague in eve.
install a cyno jammer in your rented system so --- problem fixed
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failpirate
Super Happy Fun Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.02 23:48:00 -
[82]
i have been afk cloaky in this thread the whole time you didn't even know --
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:00:00 -
[83]
As I stated earlier, I am not losing any sleep on this issue.
But some folks have been making a statement that is just flat out WRONG.
"AFK" cloakers are NOT harmless "because they are afk". They Don't stay afk. I've been on BOTH sides of this tactic, so I know how it works.
They can be dealt with, but to say they are harmless because they are afk is ignorant and/or stupid.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:14:00 -
[84]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 03/09/2010 11:15:36
Originally by: Sergeant Spot As I stated earlier, I am not losing any sleep on this issue.
But some folks have been making a statement that is just flat out WRONG.
"AFK" cloakers are NOT harmless "because they are afk". They Don't stay afk. I've been on BOTH sides of this tactic, so I know how it works.
They can be dealt with, but to say they are harmless because they are afk is ignorant and/or stupid.
There's a misconception that "AFK cloaker" means the "cloaker is AFK". This isn't the definition of an AFK cloaker. Actually, I think those that argue that "if they're AFK then they're harmless" know this is wrong and spread this stupidity on purpose.
An AFK cloaker is someone that makes a habit of purposely going AFK for hours/days at a time, single-handedly wearing out the locals, and without EVER being at risk himself, then choosing a time to surprise-attack the locals.
The AFK cloaker is NEVER at risk and NEVER will be at risk unless he clicks his PVP flag "ON". And even then, since he CHOOSES the time and WHO he's going to attack, the risk is negligable. In the mean time, he has everyone else on his toes watching out for him, because after all, he can attack any minute. No one knows.
The argument made by the AFK cloaker supporters is that in 0.0 you should always be alert and ready. What they fail to mention is that NONE OF THIS applies to the AFK cloaker .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Hidris
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:15:00 -
[85]
If the only thing you wanna do is fill your wallet in 0.0, you dont need to rent space or a corp. Just go by yourself, anchor a can with ammo at a safe and kill rats to your heart content. Any 0.0 rat spawn can be handle with a newbie char with less than 1.6 million SP.
Cost of tier 2 BC 25-30 millions Fitting 10 more millions Insurance 5-6 millions
Loss when you get blown up 10 millions
How long does it takes to make 10 millions in 0.0 : between 15 and 30 minutes
Chance that a 200 men gang jump on you : 0.001 % Chance to get ganked by your average 0.0 pilot : very low
Just use 0.0 npc stations if you need to dock for whatever reasons, dont bother with sov crap and all that jazz.
The bigger you are, more you will attract people attention, especially from people who are not in 0.0 for the sole purpose of having a fat wallet.
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Analissa Fiora
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Posted - 2010.09.03 12:09:00 -
[86]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 There's a misconception that "AFK cloaker" means the "cloaker is AFK". This isn't the definition of an AFK cloaker. Actually, I think those that argue that "if they're AFK then they're harmless" know this is wrong and spread this stupidity on purpose.
An AFK cloaker is someone that makes a habit of purposely going AFK for hours/days at a time, single-handedly wearing out the locals, and without EVER being at risk himself, then choosing a time to surprise-attack the locals.
The AFK cloaker is NEVER at risk and NEVER will be at risk unless he clicks his PVP flag "ON". And even then, since he CHOOSES the time and WHO he's going to attack, the risk is negligible. In the mean time, he has everyone else on his toes watching out for him, because after all, he can attack any minute. No one knows.
The argument made by the AFK cloaker supporters is that in 0.0 you should always be alert and ready. What they fail to mention is that at the moment NONE OF THIS applies to the AFK cloaker .
It's why I also find Crumplecorn's signature on AFK cloakers oversimplified to make it seem like they truly are harmless and are AFK:
Of course, anyone that doesn't understand what IS going on would look at that propaganda and think "hmmm, if they are AFK then they are harmless", when in reality this is only half of the equation.
I guess it's all about spreading misdirection and false propaganda.
your wrong on all counts
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SomebodyKickedMyDog
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.09.03 15:04:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Analissa Fiora
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 There's a misconception that "AFK cloaker" means the "cloaker is AFK". This isn't the definition of an AFK cloaker. Actually, I think those that argue that "if they're AFK then they're harmless" know this is wrong and spread this stupidity on purpose.
An AFK cloaker is someone that makes a habit of purposely going AFK for hours/days at a time, single-handedly wearing out the locals, and without EVER being at risk himself, then choosing a time to surprise-attack the locals.
The AFK cloaker is NEVER at risk and NEVER will be at risk unless he clicks his PVP flag "ON". And even then, since he CHOOSES the time and WHO he's going to attack, the risk is negligible. In the mean time, he has everyone else on his toes watching out for him, because after all, he can attack any minute. No one knows.
The argument made by the AFK cloaker supporters is that in 0.0 you should always be alert and ready. What they fail to mention is that at the moment NONE OF THIS applies to the AFK cloaker .
It's why I also find Crumplecorn's signature on AFK cloakers oversimplified to make it seem like they truly are harmless and are AFK:
Of course, anyone that doesn't understand what IS going on would look at that propaganda and think "hmmm, if they are AFK then they are harmless", when in reality this is only half of the equation.
I guess it's all about spreading misdirection and false propaganda.
your wrong on all counts
a well supported, rigorously argued counterpoint. if only we had more analissa fioras on the internet.
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.03 15:09:00 -
[88]
Cloaking is not immune.
All you have to do to find afk cloakers is to rally a 1000000 man alliance, and fit trusters and sweep every inch of the system with numbers.
Eventually you will bump into the cyno stealth covert wateva and get to kill it
good luck.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.09.03 15:20:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 03/09/2010 15:20:56
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 AFK cloaker it tha win!!!
Now I want to be an AFK cloaker, too.
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Saul Reaver
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.03 15:28:00 -
[90]
Originally by: John Bishop grow a pair and set a trap for your cynoed in fleet or better yet spend the time and money to get sov in your systems so you can put up cyno jammers.
if you cant or unwilling to do that leave 0.0
This^^ ----------------------------------------
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Analissa Fiora
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Posted - 2010.09.03 15:32:00 -
[91]
Originally by: SomebodyKickedMyDog
Originally by: Analissa Fiora
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 There's a misconception that "AFK cloaker" means the "cloaker is AFK". This isn't the definition of an AFK cloaker. Actually, I think those that argue that "if they're AFK then they're harmless" know this is wrong and spread this stupidity on purpose.
An AFK cloaker is someone that makes a habit of purposely going AFK for hours/days at a time, single-handedly wearing out the locals, and without EVER being at risk himself, then choosing a time to surprise-attack the locals.
The AFK cloaker is NEVER at risk and NEVER will be at risk unless he clicks his PVP flag "ON". And even then, since he CHOOSES the time and WHO he's going to attack, the risk is negligible. In the mean time, he has everyone else on his toes watching out for him, because after all, he can attack any minute. No one knows.
The argument made by the AFK cloaker supporters is that in 0.0 you should always be alert and ready. What they fail to mention is that at the moment NONE OF THIS applies to the AFK cloaker .
It's why I also find Crumplecorn's signature on AFK cloakers oversimplified to make it seem like they truly are harmless and are AFK:
Of course, anyone that doesn't understand what IS going on would look at that propaganda and think "hmmm, if they are AFK then they are harmless", when in reality this is only half of the equation.
I guess it's all about spreading misdirection and false propaganda.
your wrong on all counts
a well supported, rigorously argued counterpoint. if only we had more analissa fioras on the internet.
if you want safety then go back to hisec
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Snel Ding
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Posted - 2010.09.03 15:42:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Snel Ding on 03/09/2010 15:41:56 This alt just finished cloaking lvl4.. now I can perma cloak systems.. nice to have more then one account
I find it funny that you are scared of an AFK pilot... "OH NOES!! HE JUST SIT THERE DOING NOTHING!! EVAC TO EMPIRE!!"
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Br41n
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2010.09.03 16:48:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Terror Wheels i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve.
no they aint, if they are AFK nothing will happen, cynos dont magically go up ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.03 16:51:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 03/09/2010 16:51:05
Originally by: Br41n
Originally by: Terror Wheels i think the AFK cloakers with cyno / covert cyno is a plauge in eve.
no they aint, if they are AFK nothing will happen, cynos dont magically go up
Sir. I see you haven't trained Magicical Cyno to 4 yet!
-- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Omenis
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Posted - 2010.09.03 20:17:00 -
[95]
This thread is a classic example of AFK trolling: just post a whiny OP about a topic you know has been done to death, then kick back and enjoy the lulz.
On that note, for the few that really do consider AFK cloakers a threat, the best way to deal with them is to stake out systems where they can't bother you.
To that end, I'm offering premium access to systems guaranteed to be free of AFK cloakers for as low as 1 billion ISK per month.
These prime properties, located in empire space, offer peace of mind and a solid base of operations for aspiring alliances. Just send a small deposit of 100 million ISK to me in-game for more details, as only serious inquiries will be considered.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.03 20:23:00 -
[96]
That afk cloaker is really an alt of your ceo to scare all the cannon fodder members into not logging into that system so he and his top corp buddies can farm the system. Just make sure to log in to defend the system so can continue farming it after the offending invaders are ousted at your expense.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.03 21:08:00 -
[97]
OMG...this thread is STILL alive? It like some extra from a George Romero movie! X_X
Syn Callibri Mistress of the Blood Pact "Naut-elghinyrr" of Vulkor-Khaine
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odoso
THE ACORN TREE Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:09:00 -
[98]
We just intercepted this communication:
Quote:
Terror Wheels : Mr Cloaker Peggy are you cloaked? Peggy : Yes Terror Wheels : Are you AFK? Peggy : Yes Terror Wheels : Are you going to kill me? Peggy : Yes Terror Wheels : I am confused you are AFK though right? Peggy : Yes Terror Wheels : You can kill while AFK? Peggy : Yes Terror Wheels : How do you .......
From there the communication was broken as it seems the receiving party died.
I stole all the sig images Love you all
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Sola Sola
The Wretched. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:07:00 -
[99]
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this guy is from spacemonkies alliance.
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Sylvyrr
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:36:00 -
[100]
Hire mercs and have them kick their can!
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:34:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 04/09/2010 04:33:53 100th post in a fail thread!
-- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:34:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 04/09/2010 04:33:53 100th post in a fail thread!
It's not fail. Do you realize how much isk is to be made in a properly upgraded nullsec system? The ceo successfully ran nearly the entire corp membership out of the system with nothing more than a harmless alt in a cloaking ship. Ruthless bastage and gets my 100% approval.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:36:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 04/09/2010 05:36:02
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 04/09/2010 04:33:53 100th post in a fail thread!
It's not fail. Do you realize how much isk is to be made in a properly upgraded nullsec system? The ceo successfully ran nearly the entire corp membership out of the system with nothing more than a harmless alt in a cloaking ship. Ruthless bastage and gets my 100% approval.
The forums are our history books!
We must archeive the 1337 for future Pod Pilots!
-- Tactical Responder who is Organized and a Leading-edge Linguist |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:37:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 04/09/2010 05:36:02
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 04/09/2010 04:33:53 100th post in a fail thread!
It's not fail. Do you realize how much isk is to be made in a properly upgraded nullsec system? The ceo successfully ran nearly the entire corp membership out of the system with nothing more than a harmless alt in a cloaking ship. Ruthless bastage and gets my 100% approval.
The forums are our history books!
We must archeive the 1337 for future Pod Pilots!
its also not the 100th post.. but *shrug*
Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
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Gistatis Tribunus
The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:54:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Gistatis Tribunus on 04/09/2010 05:54:39
Originally by: Terror Wheels blah blah
Why would you hate on the best prospect in Eve?
edit: fixed quotes --------- "The." -Oceano da Cruz |
felchergod
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:13:00 -
[106]
Make it so fit cyno gives lock time increase like warp core stab will make everyone happy!!! Also nerf cloak with similar penalty.
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Jangizal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.09.04 07:06:00 -
[107]
A cyno jammer in your system will not prevent covert cynos from being lit.
I highly suggest that you start setting up for these attacks. If someone wants to rat, use them as bait and be ready to kill some recons, bombers, black ops, carriers, or whatever else they decide to drop in.
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