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Konoch
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:05:00 -
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The system is corrupted beyond belief. Scamming beyond the wildest dreams of Enron and others occurs on a daily basis. This forum has no purpose other than to screw over those trying to get ahead. It's time for CCP to do some house cleaning and remove Market Discussions for good.
This isnt a debate. It isnt a discussion. Its fact. Remove MD today and stop giving the scammers cover.
From this day forth any IPO Bond or Stock offering will immediately and permanently be considered a scam. I will not care if chribba is given 100+ billion in collateral. It will still be a scam. End this forum CCP.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:10:00 -
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After the recent T4U scam, i might be compelled to agree with you. However, it doesn't matter how good the business plan is when human error is involved. From now on, just consider every isk you invest as lost isk, this way when it works out, you feel happy and when it doesn't you can just say "I didn't even want that isk anyways"
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Konoch The system is corrupted beyond belief... Remove MD today and stop giving the scammers cover.
Not sure I understand your complaint as scamming is allowed by ccp.
TITANS4U will put a big dent on the secondary market, but I hope MD bounces back.
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Konoch
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: AtheistOfFail After the recent T4U scam, i might be compelled to agree with you. However, it doesn't matter how good the business plan is when human error is involved. From now on, just consider every isk you invest as lost isk, this way when it works out, you feel happy and when it doesn't you can just say "I didn't even want that isk anyways"
Most people cant afford the stationtrading class these scams require. They scrounge up the money for it in hopes for a half decent return and they never see it again.
I hate to take such a cynical view but honestly i see no other choice.
To the other post about what exactly my complaint is: Scamming is legal yes. But market discussions was developed for the legitimate markets not the Jita idiots this place is infested with. MD has failed in its mission epically and utterly. Death is the only option.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Konoch Scamming is legal yes. But market discussions was developed for the legitimate markets not the Jita idiots this place is infested with. MD has failed in its mission epically and utterly. Death is the only option.
There has been hundreds of good posts in the MD regarding the market. Now you want to kill it becasue of the action of one individual?
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Konoch
Originally by: AtheistOfFail After the recent T4U scam, i might be compelled to agree with you. However, it doesn't matter how good the business plan is when human error is involved. From now on, just consider every isk you invest as lost isk, this way when it works out, you feel happy and when it doesn't you can just say "I didn't even want that isk anyways"
Most people cant afford the stationtrading class these scams require. They scrounge up the money for it in hopes for a half decent return and they never see it again.
I hate to take such a cynical view but honestly i see no other choice.
To the other post about what exactly my complaint is: Scamming is legal yes. But market discussions was developed for the legitimate markets not the Jita idiots this place is infested with. MD has failed in its mission epically and utterly. Death is the only option.
I get your point but i honestly wouldn't trust anyone on EvE with my isk. Although i've had some experience with a lot of people i wouldn't even trust Chribba.
Random Fact: Ever read the US constitution? There's a reason the forefathers thought giving the president a pay for his services was bad. You know what the reason was? It's because money corrupts even the best souls.
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Konoch
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Konoch on 04/09/2010 03:39:52
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Konoch Scamming is legal yes. But market discussions was developed for the legitimate markets not the Jita idiots this place is infested with. MD has failed in its mission epically and utterly. Death is the only option.
There has been hundreds of good posts in the MD regarding the market. Now you want to kill it becasue of the action of one individual?
One? No. read over this forum and you'll see a landscape of ipo scams and 'failures' There's a ton of history to back it up. I've just finally hit my enough point.
Also on the subject of presidential pay....it pales in comparison to most decent jobs out of college....for all the stress. You don't take that job for the pittance you get paid compared to the responsibility.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:40:00 -
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Block, just before this T4U crap kicked off I did try to convo you on BSAC MM to discuss a share/bond offering with tradeable bonds through BSAC... your alt closed convo and then appeared to block me :( Do you have a point of contact or some info on offering launch so I don't catch you in the wrong timezone/take up too much time etc?
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Victor Michaelle
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:42:00 -
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MD isn't just about the IPO:s and Bonds. There is the occasional interesting market discussion as well, where do you suggest those should go?
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Janya Rykayn
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:43:00 -
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Quote: I've just finally hit my enough point.
Just out of curiosity, what was your first clue that MD is infested with scams?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Michaelle MD isn't just about the IPO:s and Bonds. There is the occasional interesting market discussion as well, where do you suggest those should go?
This is why I come to MD.
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Konoch
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Janya Rykayn
Quote: I've just finally hit my enough point.
Just out of curiosity, what was your first clue that MD is infested with scams?
Realized it a long time ago. Wasn't happy about it but i thought there was something worth salvaging. There isnt. Remove it and be done with it.
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Shinde Kudasai
Mercurial Freight
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:53:00 -
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Outright shame, the way CCP forces people to invest in things posted here.
Mercurial Freight - get it hauled!
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Konoch I hate to take such a cynical view but honestly i see no other choice.
It sounds like you are no longer interested in MD. I think you are welcome to pretty much whatever opinion you want, but why not just leave MD to the rest of us who do find it interesting, then? Why should I no longer have a place to discuss waffles, just because you take such a cynical view? á á
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shinde Kudasai Outright shame, the way CCP forces people to invest in things posted here.
So true QQ MD is dull without some drama
I fail at haiku but I'm trying....
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Konoch This isnt a debate. It isnt a discussion. Its fact. Remove MD today and stop giving the scammers cover.
No discussion? In that case it doesn't belong to this forum, does it?.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: Konoch This isnt a debate. It isnt a discussion. Its fact. Remove MD today and stop giving the scammers cover.
No discussion? In that case it doesn't belong to this forum, does it?.
LoL. You sir, are pure epicness.
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Bud Tugly
Empire Arms Dealers
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shinde Kudasai Outright shame, the way CCP forces people to invest in things posted here.
Your sarcasm is spot-on.
People don't invest (at least they shouldn't) because they think they will get filthy rich off of it. They invest idle ISK in the hopes that it will make a return that it otherwise wouldn't just sitting in their wallet. I'm out almost half a billion (480M) due to this, but I'm over it by now. Just a fraction of total wealth. A lot of folks are out a lot more than me, but they also (hopefully) had a lot more to start with. I'm sure some of them did punch their desk today, but not all of them.
Point being, investing is OK. Just as long as you don't throw your life's savings into it. Expect that there is some risk involved and take it for what it is. Events like this will lower the overall morale for quite some time, but MD will bounce back.
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Sepi
Gamma Draconis Industries Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:25:00 -
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ok might not be the most educated point but consider this
MD forum is to eve what the Financial times is to real life trading
because of the recent banking crisis would you suggest closing down FT because they often championed banking and its possible profits?
Or would you take the option and personally not subscribe to the paper?
Im assuming most people would do latter in which case, i would suggest that stop reading the MD because then you wont get 'infected' by the scams that have come to light.
The rest of us will read between lines and hopefully find a nice lil share that we can earn some pennies off.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Konoch The system is corrupted beyond belief. Scamming beyond the wildest dreams of Enron and others occurs on a daily basis. This forum has no purpose other than to screw over those trying to get ahead. It's time for CCP to do some house cleaning and remove Market Discussions for good.
MD: "Share your tips for trade and commerce in EVE: playing the market, utilizing contracts, and trading stocks." Mods had moved the actual IPOs themselfes from MD, so I can't see your point?!
Are you new to this game?
Will you now also demand the closure of Ships&Modules or Warfare&Tactics (cause they debate fittings for gankings there)?
Originally by: Konoch This isnt a debate. It isnt a discussion. Its fact. Remove MD today and stop giving the scammers cover.
EVE is about scamming and bending people over for profit and ****.. didn't you took the beginners tutorials?
Originally by: Konoch From this day forth any IPO Bond or Stock offering will immediately and permanently be considered a scam. I will not care if chribba is given 100+ billion in collateral. It will still be a scam. End this forum CCP.
No, how about you moron just don't read this forum any more?
Now GTFO mister!
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Alpheias
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:36:00 -
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The RAGE is strong in this one
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:37:00 -
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How bout a better idea...move it back to where it was, nobody could find it and it was good times
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Lucyna
Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson How bout a better idea...move it back to where it was, nobody could find it and it was good times
Where was it?
Or Did I just prove your point? _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;) |
oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:45:00 -
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wait couple of months then the lemmings will swarm again in search for healthy dividends without work.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:51:00 -
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Ranting is not allowed.
Thread locked.
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