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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:57:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 04/09/2010 04:59:40 In the ongoing struggle for AtheistOfFail (also known as me, myself and I) to have the wierdest posts on the forums, to fight against the hardest odds possible (offering investments on the day of a major IPO crash) and succeeding against all odds I present to you the second AtheistOfFail public investment.
After the sudden shutdown of my last public offering (don't worry, i refunded all the isk plus interest) I think i'm ready to go again. First, the basic idea.
There's a few ships in EvE that have inspired awe and shock to me. One of these is the Chimera carrier. Since i always wanted to have one, i thought i'd put this out there. This investment will be easy.
ISK required to start: 15 to 20 billion isk Interest: 10% return on top of your amount.
-=The Plan=- I will find a good carrier pilot currently for sale (Carrier 5/Fighter 5/t2 drones/the works) and purchase him for this account. Since i already have a chimera carrier sitting around gathering dust it will become the flagship for this investment.
I will use this carrier with it's maxed amount of Fighters (10) to engage in ratting activities on a null sec area. Pilots have been doing this forever with isk returned between 20 and 30 million isk per 20 minute cycle.
All of the isk minus whatever the cost of a plex for the month will be put towards payouts for investors. Investors will be paid in the order of investment. The first person will get paid first and the last person last. Your payment will be your investment and the 10% interest. I will attempt to send in bundles of 1 billion isk although smaller amounts may be given for those of you who invested less.
-=Collateral=- I got nothing and i'm not afraid to admit it. I currently have 1 chimera carrier (which i need), 2 drakes (not worth a lot) and about 1 billion out of my own isk which i'll use to fit up the chimera (nothing too expensive, t2 fit will work).
-=Trust=- I am relatively new to the good old forums and i have very little trust from hosting self-secured lotteries and past lotteries. Anyone who's had the pleasure of dealing with me will tell you i'm easy going and that i can handle a deal.
Although these may not have a lot to with MD, they are some of my past public offering on the Sell Orders forum. Past Lotteries here, here and here. A little while ago, me and some other 3rd Parties put together this free lottery.
If you don't trust me, it's best if you disregard this. No need to post anything besides "Not for me, but thanks" If you trust me, just talk to me before sending any isk and make sure to understand everything.
-=Questions & Answers=- Are you giving any collateral? Probably not. If that's a problem, don't invest.
Are you giving your full API to a 3rd Party? Good question. I might do it if enough people ask.
What if you don't get enough ISK in a decent timeline? I'll refund it. I don't need your isk unless i have enough to actually do something with it.
I want to know... Convo me or message me. I have rarely ever bitten a client while he's asking me a question. I promise.
This will be done in 3 stages
Stage 1 - Getting the isk and buying the character - In Effect (Already looking for a good character and posted this here) Stage 2 - Setting up my ship and getting it down to the deployment area. Stage 3 - Beginning Payouts
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:59:00 -
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-=Investor List=-
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: AtheistOfFail Don't Post Yet.
You should have taken your own advice.
-----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****. |
AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: AtheistOfFail Don't Post Yet.
You should have taken your own advice.
I use that as a placeholder when i need to hold the first 2 slots on a forum page. It's a pretty common tactic
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Lucyna
Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:31:00 -
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I'd be surprised if you get the funding required.
I'd be even more surprised if you get the funding required, use it for your business plan, and actually give the investors a return.
If this is not a joke, are you going to get an audit? Do you literally have nothing to offer as collateral? _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;) |
Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 04/09/2010 05:34:16
Originally by: AtheistOfFail -=Collateral=- I got nothing
-=Trust=- I am relatively new to the good old forums and i have very little trust from hosting self-secured lotteries and past lotteries. Anyone who's had the pleasure of dealing with me will tell you i'm easy going and that i can handle a deal.
Sorry, but as few victims of BB's latest venture learn the hard way, trust and no collateral will mean nothing.
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Ramingo
Caldari Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:37:00 -
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Doing a little background check on your thread, forum posts, lofty response to various accusations, effort put into trying to build up a third party reputation and subsequent failure to do so, I'd consider this the part where you cash in on your reputation.
Even though my rep as auditor is wiped clean, I'd say this is very likely a scam.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 04/09/2010 05:45:37
Originally by: Ramingo Doing a little background check on your thread, forum posts, lofty response to various accusations, effort put into trying to build up a third party reputation and subsequent failure to do so, I'd consider this the part where you cash in on your reputation.
Even though my rep as auditor is wiped clean, I'd say this is very likely a scam.
loft+y (l(ft, lf-) adj. loft+i+er, loft+i+est 1. Of imposing height. - 5'5" in real life 2. Elevated in character; exalted. - Nope, just as normal as anyone 3. Affecting grandness; pompous. - I am a bit on the heavy side 4. Arrogant; haughty. - This one i might agree with, i am arrogant.
Never thought of myself as lofty but i have no reputation. The post itself says if you don't want to, you don't even have to read this. To be honest, i don't expect to get full funding. I've also put full effort into being a reliable 3rd party but it's up to the costumer so there's no much i can do after that.
Even though my rep as a 3rd Party isn't the greatest in the world due to the fact i'm one of the new kids on the block, I'd say this reply by me is very likely over.
PS: Maybe i was wrong, i particularly think 8 lotteries hosted in a month with 2.2 billion isk handled isn't a total failure for my first month but i have been wrong before. The arrogant part, I agree with completely.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lucyna I'd be surprised if you get the funding required.
I'd be even more surprised if you get the funding required, use it for your business plan, and actually give the investors a return.
If this is not a joke, are you going to get an audit? Do you literally have nothing to offer as collateral?
Audit: Probably Collateral: When i said i have nothing, i really meant it. This is why it says if that's a problem in any way, shape or form, don't invest. It's better for everyone involved that way.
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Ramingo
Caldari Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:04:00 -
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Did the 850 bill wet your appetite? You've posted everywhere about how MD is dead, only idiots invest isk/hand isk to others, yet you're still trying to do your 3rd party thing and now looking for isk without collateral...
If anybody sends you isk or asks you to secure more than an Ibis they're idiots.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 04/09/2010 06:22:50
Originally by: Ramingo Did the 850 bill wet your appetite? You've posted everywhere about how MD is dead, only idiots invest isk/hand isk to others, yet you're still trying to do your 3rd party thing and now looking for isk without collateral...
If anybody sends you isk or asks you to secure more than an Ibis they're idiots.
I have no appetite plus i'm not big on stealing from people, I have held 2 billion before in escrow with no incident. Although 20 billion is a tenfold increase, it's the same as if it was 2 isk. It's other people's money and for that reason you have the right to not invest.
PS: Never said MD was dead. I did say you should consider every isk you invest as lost isk because i'm a pessimist and i've never called someone an idiot unless they've ignored basic rules in lotteries/public offerings.
PSS: Someone could also ask me to secure something better than an ibis if they've been referred by a past costumer who had a good experience or if they've been a past costumer who has seen how i operate my business.
PSSS: I'm not giving up my 3rd Party Services till i'm bankrupt/dead/or my last 0.1 isk is spent. Also, do you like my new forum sig, i think it's stylish
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:58:00 -
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Hey, uh, you guys can give me the 15 billion because I already have a pretty good carrier pilot. I also already have the carrier, and its fit.
But I need the ISK.
To move it to 0.0, yeah.
Um.
Not a scam.
At all.
Nope.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Hey, uh, you guys can give me the 15 billion because I already have a pretty good carrier pilot. I also already have the carrier, and its fit.
But I need the ISK.
To move it to 0.0, yeah.
Um.
Not a scam.
At all.
Nope.
-Liang
Never said i had a carrier pilot plus my chimera is unfit and right now it's even packaged. Just came off the assembly line 1 month ago.
PS: Read above, that's what the 15 billion is for. That carrier pilot i need to make this happen. This is neither a joke or a scam.
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Jamyl Antanna
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Posted - 2010.09.04 08:26:00 -
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This is one of the dumbest ideas I've seen all week.
Even IF, somehow in all of holy hell frozen over, you were able to raise the ISK, (you won't,) you want to make returns RATTING?
You'll have to play 20 hours a week for four months straight to START making worthwhile returns. I'm not trusting you to do that, and neither is anybody else.
You can make a lot more money with lower risk and lower time investment producing in high-sec FFS, especially with that kind of start-up. Not that you'll be able to swing that either. Now that you've successfully painted yourself as an idiot.
Enjoy the wrest of the train-wreck that is this thread; I'm out.
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:03:00 -
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tl;dr version:
A guy have a Chimera in his hangar that he can't fly. He needs you to give him ISK so he can buy a carrier pilot on Character Bazaar.
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Tekota
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jamyl Antanna
You'll have to play 20 hours a week for four months straight to START making worthwhile returns.
This. Not that this needs any more nails, but unless you're looking to sell said char at end of bond you'll need to earn both the interest and the capital before you close the bond out. Even with your figures of 60m an hour, even doing that for 20 hours a week (and how you going to rat at that level for 20 hours a week with reds in the system?), you're looking at 4 months just to repay the capital. So if it's a flat 10% return that works out at 2.5% per month for a zero collateral investment. If it's 10% return per month you'll need to find an extra 4b in interest payments - or another 1-2 months ratting.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 04/09/2010 16:27:59
Originally by: Tekota
Originally by: Jamyl Antanna
You'll have to play 20 hours a week for four months straight to START making worthwhile returns.
This. Not that this needs any more nails, but unless you're looking to sell said char at end of bond you'll need to earn both the interest and the capital before you close the bond out. Even with your figures of 60m an hour, even doing that for 20 hours a week (and how you going to rat at that level for 20 hours a week with reds in the system?), you're looking at 4 months just to repay the capital. So if it's a flat 10% return that works out at 2.5% per month for a zero collateral investment. If it's 10% return per month you'll need to find an extra 4b in interest payments - or another 1-2 months ratting.
And no one even mentioned this tiny detail:
someone without a pilot able to fly a capital has no practice about the many little details that help stay alive. From kick off stations to having enough reserve of fuel... this is stuff that you'd prefer not to see learned by someone with no collateral and venturing in 0.0 with a rookie experience. Like in WoW, being Ebayed shows. Unlike WoW, EvE brings in the pain for it. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 04/09/2010 17:49:36
Originally by: Jamyl Antanna This is one of the dumbest ideas I've seen all week.
Even IF, somehow in all of holy hell frozen over, you were able to raise the ISK, (you won't,) you want to make returns RATTING?
You'll have to play 20 hours a week for four months straight to START making worthwhile returns. I'm not trusting you to do that, and neither is anybody else.
You can make a lot more money with lower risk and lower time investment producing in high-sec FFS, especially with that kind of start-up. Not that you'll be able to swing that either. Now that you've successfully painted yourself as an idiot.
Enjoy the wrest of the train-wreck that is this thread; I'm out.
Someone didn't get the joke.
Hint is the MD dream, you know, fail posts with zero chance of getting off the ground...
PS: You weren't one of the who were scammed right? Cause i think you're pretty mad at someone, i just hope it isn't me
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Jamyl Antanna
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:56:00 -
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Personally, I just don't think you're smart enough to be a troll.
I have never invested in an IPO, nor will I.
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MightyMandria
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: MightyMandria on 04/09/2010 18:07:17
Quote: I just don't think you're smart enough to be a troll.
Yes, because the Venn diagram of brilliant people and forum trolls looks like this: O
That's neither here nor there. For a while there about 2-3 weeks ago, AtheistofFail was running CNR scams in Jita all day long every day.
That's also beside the point. Anyone who invests in this sort of thing deserves what he gets. Also, this is the worst scam I've ever seen. It makes investing billions with someone named "Bad Bobby" look like an intelligent thing to do.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 04/09/2010 18:08:03
Originally by: MightyMandria Edited by: MightyMandria on 04/09/2010 18:05:34
Quote: I just don't think you're smart enough to be a troll.
Yes, because the Venn diagram of brilliant people and forum trolls looks like this: O
That's neither here nor there. For a while there about 2-3 weeks ago, AtheistofFail was running CNR scams in Jita all day long every day.
That's also beside the point. Anyone who invests in this sort of thing deserves what he gets.
What the hell is it with your alts and saying i'm a jita ship scammer? I swear every neutral/red to the NC has problems with me. Either that or they really love me.
PS: Also loving that proof you put out there. The chat logs, the pictures, all that stuff. Oh wait, no, you didn't, that's right.
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Tuggboat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:22:00 -
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Your in the right place.
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MightyMandria
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Posted - 2010.09.05 05:32:00 -
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I only have a very vague idea who the NC are. I know it stands for "Northern Coalition" and that's about it.
The only reason I posted here is because I find it very funny that a Jita ship scammer would be running a (much) larger ship scam. I think I did post before that you are a Jita ship scammer, but if anyone else did it wasn't an alt of mine.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.05 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 05/09/2010 07:33:47
Originally by: MightyMandria I only have a very vague idea who the NC are. I know it stands for "Northern Coalition" and that's about it.
The only reason I posted here is because I find it very funny that a Jita ship scammer would be running a (much) larger ship scam. I think I did post before that you are a Jita ship scammer, but if anyone else did it wasn't an alt of mine.
Jita ship scammer? I'm barely ever at jita and you're an alt simply because your character has been sitting in the noob corp for over 1 year. That's pretty normal for a character that's made just to fill up one of the 3 character slots. Also, the following my posts and posting fake crap isn't annoying and i consider the free bumps very nice.
In other news, T4U may be totally bankrupt but someone sent me 450 shares, which is epic.
Edit: Last week it was faction item scamming and this week is jita ship scamming. Pick one and try to stick with it for a while.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.09.05 15:17:00 -
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This is getting out of ha....correction all is lost. |
AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.05 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness This is getting out of ha....correction all is lost.
Welcome to an AoF Thread.
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Calypsa Cavianna
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Posted - 2010.09.05 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Originally by: Jovialmadness This is getting out of ha....correction all is lost.
Welcome to an AoF Thread.
Please never take yourself seriously again.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.05 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Calypsa Cavianna
Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Originally by: Jovialmadness This is getting out of ha....correction all is lost.
Welcome to an AoF Thread.
Please never take yourself seriously again.
I never do. Can I get a lock on this Applebabe? I just don't want the shame to spread.
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Jamie Banks
Gallente Wasted and Still Mining
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Posted - 2010.09.05 23:19:00 -
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INB4Fail, oh wait.... _______________________________
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Spruillo
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.05 23:29:00 -
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Funny i clicked on Crime and Punishment and somehow ended up in this thread.
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