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Speaker4 theDead
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Posted - 2010.09.04 07:24:00 -
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Seems to be lots of talk recently about RMT (Real money trading) and it's use in manipulating the game.
People being paid cash to throw over their corp/alliance. People being paid cash to play the game. Cash for Super-caps.
If all these accusations were true, is this really a game anymore. If the game is being influenced by outside forces, ones that you have no way to control or defend against, doesn't it make the game a waste of time? How do you defend against cash?
Whatever you may think about your corpmates, and no matter how much you trust them, unless you have met them face to face, they are just another anonymous avatar. How can you know what their price is?
What's worse, CCP has absolutely no way to defend against this type of thing. They might see Isk selling going on, but they have no way to trace where the money goes beyond the game itself. It may be a breach of the EULA, but I can't see it being illegal in most countries. The only people that would have direct knowledge of the transaction would be the two people involved, certainly they wouldn't admit to it. So, you can't control it, you can't police it, you can't even be sure as to how much or little it's happening, unless your involved yourself, then it's best to keep quiet and not embarrass yourself.
Are the high stakes battles in 0.0 really worth it anymore, when you can be disbanded/robbed/hosed by someone that had been a trustworthy person for years, simply because someone slipped him a nice fat bonus? A couple grand could justify a lot of space pixel backstabbing to someone with a limited income.
Discuss. Flame ******ant suits should be worn at all times.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.04 07:32:00 -
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Confirming that despite the rampant real money trading in EVE!
I still somehow play the game!
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Langoss
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Posted - 2010.09.04 07:46:00 -
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If somebody is corrupt in real word that will be corrupt in a game too. You just have to give him some money and he wil be your man like in rl.
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2010.09.04 09:11:00 -
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This is the real reason for all the 0.0 napfests currently. They are all too busy selling isk from macro ratter ravens to want to do anything as foolish as pew-pew each other. I know this for a fact because a bloke mentioned it down the pub. When I questioned him he insisted it was true, so it must be.
/tinfoil
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Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.04 09:16:00 -
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Answering the title here... not reading all of that, I just woke up.
Yes. It is still a game.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.04 09:35:00 -
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Oh, they buy isk with money and the only thing they get is more time to do what they want (no need for grinding). Doesn't mean they have better skills or anything. I've seen these "golden boys" gotten their factions ships blown from the sky with rifters.
As for them having loads of isk. Well, there are MANY MANY other veteran players who also have insane amounts of isk.
Remember to ransom them a wee bit more ;)
Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2010.09.04 09:54:00 -
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No really, who cares if they play 16h a day or sell a GTC to get the iskies? I don't.
And regarding scams, well, if don't want to trust others, don't. But once you do, be sure you can live with the consequences. Easy, no? Somehow ppl always expect some filesafes to be in places to prevent them beeing hurt.
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heheheh
Ecliptic Refuge
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Posted - 2010.09.04 09:57:00 -
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Most of the people that buy characters and exspensive ships to fly with them dont have a clue about combat.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.09.04 10:11:00 -
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Yes.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 10:39:00 -
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I understand and share the OP's concerns. It's not so much the "is there a possibility to being skull****ed" because that's essentially what the game is about, that's a GOOD thing. But the whole RMT thing, either by investing RL cash to build an army or by turning EVE into an income by making RL money off of it, it kinda shatters the idea of EVE being a game.
Does that sound a bit naive? Perhaps but we're talking about ideas and personal views here. To me this whole RMT thing shatters the idea of playing in the game universe, in the same way as cheating would (DEVS probably have this same issue, they can't see the game as a game because of them being able to see the strings and mechanics at work).
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:08:00 -
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All seems a little absurd and far fetched like all those conspiracy theories to me.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Speaker4 theDead Seems to be lots of talk recently about RMT (Real money trading) and it's use in manipulating the game.
Where?
Quote: If all these accusations were true ...
Exactly.
Note that the rest of your post goes off on a tangent talking about how broken the game mechanics are that one person can disband an alliance in minutes, taking all of that alliance's wealth.
In the case of BoB, the "price" wasn't money, it was a chance to mess things up for an alliance who wasn't serving the guy's caviar at the right temperature. In the case of Goonswarm the "price" wasn't money. Then there was that classic operation by the Guiding Hand Social Club.
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mr SmartGuy on 04/09/2010 11:42:12 Seems to be lots of talk recently about RMT (Real money trading) and it's use in manipulating the game. Seems to me that one or two troll threads about RMT (that pop up every now and then) could not be defined as "lots".
People being paid cash to throw over their corp/alliance. 0/10
People being paid cash to play the game. Yeah... rrrright. Dream on.
If all these accusations were true, is this really a game anymore. That's a big "if" and yes, this is a game.
If the game is being influenced by outside forces, ones that you have no way to control or defend against, doesn't it make the game a waste of time? That's a big "if" and yes, every game is technically a waste of time
How do you defend against cash? In RL, you don't defend against cash In game,... well, lets get back to those big "if"s^^.
Whatever you may think about your corpmates, and no matter how much you trust them, unless you have met them face to face, they are just another anonymous avatar. But I have met my corpmates face to face
How can you know what their price is? Character Bazaar? Price Checks?
What's worse, CCP has absolutely no way to defend against this type of thing. They might see Isk selling going on, but they have no way to trace where the money goes beyond the game itself. It may be a breach of the EULA, but I can't see it being illegal in most countries. Ur stuff can I haz?
The only people that would have direct knowledge of the transaction would be the two people involved, certainly they wouldn't admit to it. All hail to the Captain Obvious
So, you can't control it, you can't police it, you can't even be sure as to how much or little it's happening, unless your involved yourself, then it's best to keep quiet and not embarrass yourself. You are not keeping quiet and thus... Well, you've said it, not me.
Are the high stakes battles in 0.0 really worth it anymore, when you can be disbanded/robbed/hosed by someone that had been a trustworthy person for years, simply because someone slipped him a nice fat bonus? *sniffs around Speaker4 theDead* I know that smell... Smells like Hydra.
A couple grand could justify a lot of space pixel backstabbing to someone with a limited income. If there's someone that is willing to give "a couple grand" for an Internet Spaceships with Lazors game, I'm wondering just who's the idiot it the whole story. Also "space pixel backstabbing" is contradictory by itself.
Have a nice day.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/09/2010 12:12:53
Originally by: Mr SmartGuy Ignore "Mr Smartguy" he does not have a clue
You can't defend against RMT, it is just one of those things. Welcome to EVE "Second Life." Peoples egos are so huge (and pathetic) they will go to any lengths just to buff their Epeen in game. When they do, they will call it L33T game play.
But it does not change the fact that this is a game. CCP wanted a RL Sci-Fi similar? Well, RMT is just a side-effect of RL working its way in.
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Ratnix Foisen
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Speaker4 theDead doesn't it make the game a waste of time?
I Stopped reading as soon as I saw those words.
This is a VIDEO GAME. It is nothing but a way to waste time. That is the purpose of games. To waste some time in an enjoyable fashion.
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mr SmartGuy on 04/09/2010 13:22:22
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
You can't defend against RMT, it is just one of those things. Welcome to EVE "Second Life." Peoples egos are so huge (and pathetic) they will go to any lengths just to buff their Epeen in game. When they do, they will call it L33T game play.
But it does not change the fact that this is a game. CCP wanted a RL Sci-Fi similar? Well, RMT is just a side-effect of RL working its way in.
Ok... Who is doing RMT? Name "them". Which alliance are "they" in? Which corp?
If you can't answer those questions than the whole thread is just a bunch of hypothetical blabbering.
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Arvano
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:27:00 -
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Well, does this not mean, then, that the game is becoming more life-like? The rich rule the world and everybody is a slave to money. How does life go on? People go begging to the rich, which is sometimes called "get a job".
So, yes, it can still be called a game, it's just much, much more lifelike than any other game. What will people like me do who can never hope to use real money to influence THEIR game? Work for the people who can. Join a corp where their money supplies the means, you carry out the work, your work makes them money, your work makes you money.
I don't see the problem here. In my opinion it makes the game more interesting. If people are so obsessed that they will use large amounts of their real life money to influence the game in their favour, then it raises the stakes, does it not? Makes things more interesting.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 04/09/2010 13:37:56 It's not the size of the wallet that matters, it's how you use it. We see "noob in a Carrier" kills all the time.
And since the main subject here would be RMT that could have an in-game political impact, sure... whatever. It will only bring more explosions.
I don't believe that anyone is THAT insane to pay someone to play the game (CCP employees and game testers aside)
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mr SmartGuy Edited by: Mr SmartGuy on 04/09/2010 13:22:22
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
You can't defend against RMT, it is just one of those things. Welcome to EVE "Second Life." Peoples egos are so huge (and pathetic) they will go to any lengths just to buff their Epeen in game. When they do, they will call it L33T game play.
But it does not change the fact that this is a game. CCP wanted a RL Sci-Fi similar? Well, RMT is just a side-effect of RL working its way in.
Ok... Who is doing RMT? Name "them". Which alliance are "they" in? Which corp?
If you can't answer those questions than the whole thread is just a bunch of hypothetical blabbering.
* Types actual names and instances on an open forum
"Mr SmartGuy" I think you need a new forum alt with a different name, because you are only displaying your ignorance to the world. But by all means please continue
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Mr SmartGuy
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
"Mr SmartGuy" I think you need a new forum alt with a different name, because you are only displaying your ignorance to the world. But by all means please continue
I'll take that as a compliment
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/09/2010 14:08:43 Ok....?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:28:00 -
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Take out "EVE" and replace it with "basketball", "baseball", "football", "boxing" or just about any other game or sport. Hmmm... Makes exactly as much sense as it did before.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Speaker4 theDead Doesn't it make the game a waste of time?
Every game is a waste except for the stuff you learn there for the improvement of your own self and character.
For the rest: just enjoy the good moments. |
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