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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:04:00 -
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CSM5 Meeting 008 will take place Saturday 11 September 2010 at 17:00 EVE time. All CSM5 Delegates and Alternates are invited to attend.
Deadline for Delegates to submit issues for the agenda is Friday 10 September 2010 at 20:00. To get an issue added to the agenda, CSM Delegates must post the issue title in this thread and a link the the issue's CSM wiki page (NOT its thread in these forums). A maximum of 9 issues will be considered in the meeting. Delegates are encouraged to post multiple issues; issues will be addressed in rotating order, 1 per delegate, until the max is reached.
Note to Community: CSM working meetings will rotate between 2nd Saturday/4th Sunday dates until further notice.
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Agenda
A. Introduction -- Roll Call -- Reminders
B. Issues
-- TBD
C. Other Business
-- TBD
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.05 14:30:00 -
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<3
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.08 12:38:00 -
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bump ?
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.09.08 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Yeay Fritg on 08/09/2010 15:46:35 Dear CSM,
I would like to propose you this one:
Tyrannis and Dominion Together
Thank you, Yeay
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.09.09 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Yeay Fritg Edited by: Yeay Fritg on 08/09/2010 15:46:35 Dear CSM,
I would like to propose you this one:
Tyrannis and Dominion Together
Thank you, Yeay
Issues must have been in the Assembly hall forum for at least 7 days prior to a CSM meeting for them to be added to the agenda. However if you can get enough supports it could be considered for a future meeting.
TeaDaze.net Blog | CSM Database |
SIEGE RED
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Posted - 2010.09.09 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee
-- Votes as necessary to establish majority rule on contested revision requests to the draft CSM blog content posted on 8 Sep 2010 in the CSM internal forums. -- Vote to publish the finalized CSM Blog draft (based on revisions agreed to by vote or consensus) by CCP as a CSM Blog with a target publication date of Sept. 14, 15, or 16.
Please do not say that there actually are CSM members who resist such things, or are constrained by silly motivations like politics or exposure management. Or god forbid some of you are stuck in crap like "omg but what if people take it as promises".
Why is that even a vote, things like that are key elements of this CSM concept. Come on. |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: SIEGE RED
Originally by: Mynxee
-- Votes as necessary to establish majority rule on contested revision requests to the draft CSM blog content posted on 8 Sep 2010 in the CSM internal forums. -- Vote to publish the finalized CSM Blog draft (based on revisions agreed to by vote or consensus) by CCP as a CSM Blog with a target publication date of Sept. 14, 15, or 16.
Please do not say that there actually are CSM members who resist such things, or are constrained by silly motivations like politics or exposure management. Or god forbid some of you are stuck in crap like "omg but what if people take it as promises".
Why is that even a vote, things like that are key elements of this CSM concept. Come on.
Read the minutes.
The debate begins here: [ 17:58:44 ] Mynxee > moving on... [ 17:58:54 ] Mynxee > CSM blogs...
@TeaDaze: Will we get a chance to look at the balance list before CSM goes to CCP with it?
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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SIEGE RED
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Posted - 2010.09.09 16:15:00 -
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Quote: [ 18:21:53 ] Meissa Anunthiel > I don't, I elect to communicate on known quantities to minimize bad reactions, and don't want to be the messenger delivering bad news.
Heat .. kitchen .. man, so useless that kind of approach. Come on Meissa.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2010.09.10 06:18:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CCP_commit_to_excellence%2C_no_toppings_left_behind_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Self_destruct_and_logoff_timer_mechanics_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Fix_blasters_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Covert_Reconfiguration_Offensive_Subsystems_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Csm_issue_about_gms_and_bans_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/List_of_Sov_Complaints_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Better_Account_status_notification_%28csm%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Allow_remote_jumpclone_removal_%28csm%29
running headlong into the meeting limit this time around. if someone else brings up issues bump the ones on my list starting from the bottom as listed here
keeping the un-addressed assembly hall threads here that i will make writeups for and raise next meeting
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have we had our destroyers whine this csm term yet? i know we spoke of this during csm 3. i will bring it up again if not. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1108442
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1347339
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1348624 - im pretty sure i already raised this one. but its really late and im sleepy, i will look at this again during daytime.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.09.10 13:21:00 -
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Make Advanced Assembly Arrays useful
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.09.12 14:59:00 -
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Raw logs available on the Wiki or find Minutes plus TL:DR voting results on the CSM Database.
TeaDaze.net Blog | CSM Database |
Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.09.12 18:45:00 -
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gf made pasta bolognesa
sorry ;( á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.09.14 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ban Doga on 14/09/2010 07:42:52
Originally by: CSM raw log
[ 17:35:37 ] Mynxee > yes meissa. that will be the vote this time. Y or N to publish the List ever, whehter in the current CSM blog or at any other time. [ 17:35:44 ] Vuk Lau > thanx [ 17:35:55 ] Mynxee > so.... [ 17:35:57 ] Meissa Anunthiel > ok, voting No [ 17:36:00 ] Vuk Lau > no [ 17:36:15 ] Korvin > no (Content removed due to NDA) [ 17:36:20 ] Dierdra Vaal > voting yes [ 17:36:22 ] Trebor Daehdoow > Yes [ 17:36:25 ] Mynxee > Y [ 17:36:36 ] TeaDaze > yes - it needed the extra week on it but is now fine [ 17:36:37 ] Dierdra Vaal > (provided petur's most recent feedback about the issues is incorporated) [ 17:36:38 ] ElvenLord > n [ 17:36:45 ] Dierdra Vaal > since apparently he messed up or w/e [ 17:36:54 ] Vuk Lau > 4:4 :p
Wouldn't it make more sense to have this kind of vote before making the effort to gather and process the information?
It looks like half of the CSM are completely against releasing "the list" in any shape or form. I find that quite confusing.
I understand that the CSM is a group of individuals and thus have individual opinions but starting "the list" really created some expectations and now seeing this (rather large) reluctance to publish the result is disappointing for me.
A more consistent approach would be an improvement IMO.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2010.09.14 11:01:00 -
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The disagreement regarding publication of the list began after it had been drafted.
While the CSM is full wonderful people with exceptional skills, none of us, alas, is gifted with precognition.
My own super-power, for example, is the unerring ability to drive straight to the best currently available parking space. Unfortunately, I have not yet figured out how I can use this power to fight crime.
Confessions of a Noob Starship Politician Spending Hours blogging the Minutes
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.09.14 12:15:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow,
Thank you for your work.
May be the 'No' people that don't want the CSM to communicate with the players that voted can tell us why ?
Sounds CSM was the player representative...do the CSM turn own member political ?
Cheers, Yeay
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.09.14 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow The disagreement regarding publication of the list began after it had been drafted.
While the CSM is full wonderful people with exceptional skills, none of us, alas, is gifted with precognition.
Are you saying "the list" is now something quite unexpected? How does it deviate from the expected result or the result everyone thought would be good to publish?
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow My own super-power, for example, is the unerring ability to drive straight to the best currently available parking space. Unfortunately, I have not yet figured out how I can use this power to fight crime.
I'm sure you will get there. One good idea would be to teach that to your local law enforcement and help them reach the crime site earlier (because of vehicular locomotion) and less stressed (because of nearly effortless parking).
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.09.14 17:30:00 -
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I was against releasing the Blog after meeting 007, because I thought another week was needed for it to be "excellent" (we have to lead CCP by example ). The inclusion of the list of CCP selected items from our raised issues was something I was happy with, but some of the CSM didn't want (in their opinion) to be the bearer of bad news. I'll leave you to make up your minds on the outcome once the list is out. Personally I feel good progress has been made since the summit.
Just to state clearly, the argument was never between publishing the list or not. It was purely between CSM including the list in the blog already being worked on or CCP publishing it themselves.
In the end CSM decided to include the list in the blog which is due out sometime this week.
TeaDaze.net Blog | CSM Database |
Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow The disagreement regarding publication of the list began after it had been drafted.
While the CSM is full wonderful people with exceptional skills, none of us, alas, is gifted with precognition.
Are you saying "the list" is now something quite unexpected? How does it deviate from the expected result or the result everyone thought would be good to publish?
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow My own super-power, for example, is the unerring ability to drive straight to the best currently available parking space. Unfortunately, I have not yet figured out how I can use this power to fight crime.
I'm sure you will get there. One good idea would be to teach that to your local law enforcement and help them reach the crime site earlier (because of vehicular locomotion) and less stressed (because of nearly effortless parking).
Your pedantry is to me as Kryptonite is to Superman, alas.
Confessions of a Noob Starship Politician Spending Hours blogging the Minutes
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze I was against releasing the Blog after meeting 007, because I thought another week was needed for it to be "excellent" (we have to lead CCP by example ). The inclusion of the list of CCP selected items from our raised issues was something I was happy with, but some of the CSM didn't want (in their opinion) to be the bearer of bad news. I'll leave you to make up your minds on the outcome once the list is out. Personally I feel good progress has been made since the summit.
Just to state clearly, the argument was never between publishing the list or not. It was purely between CSM including the list in the blog already being worked on or CCP publishing it themselves.
In the end CSM decided to include the list in the blog which is due out sometime this week.
Honestly, most of the fixes that made that list are things that people have been waiting for more than a year to see. I don't think they'll be outrage at this point that something isn't included. As someone had said in the minutes, not everything makes it to release. I will admit that if CSM publishes a list then something from the list doesn't show up in the release, rational or not, I will be disappointed.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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SIEGE RED
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Posted - 2010.09.15 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: TeaDaze I was against releasing the Blog after meeting 007, because I thought another week was needed for it to be "excellent" (we have to lead CCP by example ). The inclusion of the list of CCP selected items from our raised issues was something I was happy with, but some of the CSM didn't want (in their opinion) to be the bearer of bad news. I'll leave you to make up your minds on the outcome once the list is out. Personally I feel good progress has been made since the summit.
Just to state clearly, the argument was never between publishing the list or not. It was purely between CSM including the list in the blog already being worked on or CCP publishing it themselves.
In the end CSM decided to include the list in the blog which is due out sometime this week.
Honestly, most of the fixes that made that list are things that people have been waiting for more than a year to see. I don't think they'll be outrage at this point that something isn't included. As someone had said in the minutes, not everything makes it to release. I will admit that if CSM publishes a list then something from the list doesn't show up in the release, rational or not, I will be disappointed.
Which is pretty much the point of it all. Getting CCP to deliver results. Since they sign off on things, putting it out there constantly makes them work for it. We all know how it went like when nothing was visible, nothing ever happened. So if something from the list does not make it, they have something to explain. Which is both a little bit of pressure, and a prelude to strengthening communications. Neither is bad.
Visibility, communications, even if CCP is slow, it'll get things on the table. Only that way it can be worked on properly. |
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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.09.17 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Yeay Fritg on 17/09/2010 20:41:48 Dear CSM,
Thank you !
For all this work, thank you for your free time dedicated to make our ideas and request.
I was execting so few from CCP.
Please, keep the direction even if they just do cosmetic changes to our universe.
Yeay
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