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Boots McKenzie
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Posted - 2010.09.07 05:49:00 -
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I'm about to start the grind. What ship is recommended for making it through 1 to 4? Drone boat quickest? Missile boat?
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chashit
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Posted - 2010.09.07 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: cha**** on 07/09/2010 06:51:06 If I start something new I do some investigation myself first. Your question looks like you need some1 to hold your hand for the rest of your eve life. I am not looking for a puppy.
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ELWhappo Sanchez
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.09.07 07:17:00 -
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http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage here's a good link for mission info and ship requirements.
it's way more fun to run missions with 3 or more in your fleet.
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Kerogen Logos
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:19:00 -
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if you want an overly simplistic answer, there are two paths I've personally done.
Missiles: Kestrel-Caracal-Drake-Raven Drones: Imicus-Vexor-Myrmidon-Dominix
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Sendraks
The Spice Weasels Must Flow
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Posted - 2010.09.07 09:24:00 -
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I agree with Kerogen, those two are your simplest paths.
For convenience sake, you can even train shield skils for both. Although Gallente ships are traditionally armour repped, the Vexxor, Myrm and Domi all work very well for shield tanking.
Which would make cross training for the Caldari missile boats, which are typically shield tanked, very easy. Even in a missle ship, it is helpful to have some drone skills, so either way you've got a path of minimum skill wastage if you stick to shields.
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Makko Gray
Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.07 10:00:00 -
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I'm going to go for the curveball of ishkur for levels 1-3, ishtar for 3-4 since they're enormous fun to fly and I've no idea what skills you have. Both are drone boats and you can fit both rigged in an orca so you can move your whole mission set-up as you graduate through the agents.
I think it's a good tactic to skilled players who just need to grid standings with new corps/factions to get the level 4s or R&D agents - though I'm sure someone will correct me
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Sendraks
The Spice Weasels Must Flow
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Posted - 2010.09.07 10:17:00 -
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I agree with Makko, both those ships are fun to fly and would work for the journey from 1 - 4. They're not the most efficient ships to do missions in, but do make the grind less painful.
They're the more experienced player option though, not for new players.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.07 12:10:00 -
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Omen Navy Issue for L1-3, switch to Harbinger for L4s. Turret weapons help get missions done faster since you don't have to wait for missiles to hit things. Lasers require no reloading, omen and harbinger are nice DPS ships and gank is the best tank.
Drone boats suffer from drone aggro and losing drones when you crash to desktop.
Missile boats suffer from specialising in a skill set which will disadvantage you in PvP operations (targets will be killed while your salvo is in flight).
Hybrid weapons are underpowered.
Projectile weapons are kinda cool. So in place of the Omen/Harbinger, you could try the hurricane.
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Boots McKenzie
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Posted - 2010.09.07 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: cha**** Edited by: cha**** on 07/09/2010 06:51:06 If I start something new I do some investigation myself first. Your question looks like you need some1 to hold your hand for the rest of your eve life. I am not looking for a puppy.
Funny thing, I got a RL. Its really really busy. Rather than do my own investigation, there is a forum for asking people who have previously done such investigation. Hold your own hand, sounds like you need it.
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:00:00 -
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Use dessies for lvl 1s
2-3s I used vexor/navy vexor on one account, navy caracal on another. Both were able to breeze thru missions. Both used the same tactic, zoom around with AB running to negate dps.
Most lvl 3s are full of frigs/cruisers with 1-2 BCs thrown in, every blue moon one will have a BS. So assault missiles / med drones rip thru 'em. ♥
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Use dessies for lvl 1s
2-3s I used vexor/navy vexor on one account, navy caracal on another. Both were able to breeze thru missions. Both used the same tactic, zoom around with AB running to negate dps.
Most lvl 3s are full of frigs/cruisers with 1-2 BCs thrown in, every blue moon one will have a BS. So assault missiles / med drones rip thru 'em.
The problem with assault missiles is that you have to fly across the grid to ranged ships. If you're going PvE missiles for level 1-3, it's Heavy Launchers, Standard Launchers, or GTFO.
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Awesome Possum on 07/09/2010 15:59:04
Originally by: Daergaar If you're going PvE missiles for level 1-3, it's Heavy Launchers, Standard Launchers, or GTFO.
assaults and standards have the same range (57-63k), try again?
and i'll bet my navycal can clear most lvl 3s faster than your hml boat any day.
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.07 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 07/09/2010 15:59:04
Originally by: Daergaar If you're going PvE missiles for level 1-3, it's Heavy Launchers, Standard Launchers, or GTFO.
assaults and standards have the same range (57-63k), try again?
and i'll bet my navycal can clear most lvl 3s faster than your hml boat any day.
Oh, that's right. Sorry I was thinking they were like HAM, which isn't the case. Rockets are the equivalent of HAM.
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Daergaar
Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 07/09/2010 15:59:04
Originally by: Daergaar If you're going PvE missiles for level 1-3, it's Heavy Launchers, Standard Launchers, or GTFO.
assaults and standards have the same range (57-63k), try again?
and i'll bet my navycal can clear most lvl 3s faster than your hml boat any day.
Oh, that's right. Sorry I was thinking they were like HAM, which isn't the case. Rockets are the equivalent of HAM.
except HAMS actually kill things ;) ♥
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.07 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
except HAMS actually kill things ;)
LOL, true enough. Although a Kestrel with Thorn rockets orbiting something at close range and high speed is fairly lethal to other frigates. In PvE rockets are for when you want to get a good look at your pod, or take an hour on a level 1 mission.
That said, the Kestrel is actually a very very good level 1 and 2 frigate. Granted, I have very high (5 to all except capital) missile skills, but in a Kestrel I can kill other PvE frigates in 2 missiles (half a volley). A fast Caracal works too.
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gelgamek
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Posted - 2010.09.07 18:19:00 -
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Missiles --- L1 - merlin/kestral , or assault launcher caracal L2 - assault / heavy mix caracal, maybe assault / heavy drake with a sensor booster L3 - yah, it's a drake again
Drones --- 1 - ishkur 2 - vexor / ishtar 3 - ishtar
The biggest time sink in 1-2's are the frigates. They melt under any decent ship, but there are so dang many of them it just takes forever to kill them all. So fit something that can melt the swarms of frigates like light drones or assault launchers.
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.07 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: gelgamek Missiles --- L1 - merlin/kestral , or assault launcher caracal L2 - assault / heavy mix caracal, maybe assault / heavy drake with a sensor booster
Wait...why would you fit a sensor booster on a mission Drake? Being jammed is extremely rare, and your sensors already can lock out to 75km. The mid slots (since you don't need much tank in L3, 3 tank slots will do with 2 specific hardeners and 1 large extender) are better used for things like target painters. Dual or triple painting frigates will get them blown up fast by heavy missiles.
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services Stratagem.
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Posted - 2010.09.07 19:09:00 -
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IMO there is no reason to ever fly a drake into a lvl 3/4 mission, unless you are afk missioning. navycal will do 3s faster, ravens will do 4s faster.
As for the ishtar, that's a lvl 4/5 boat. If you have your tank/drone skills up high while doing 3s, then go ahead and train cruiser 5/HAC up so you can get the ishtar for 4s. Believe me, I wish I had done it instead of flying a bloody domi =x ♥
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.09.07 19:45:00 -
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hell yea the ishtar is fun to fly: warp in, get full aggro, launch drones, watch a movie!
tbh for any sort of fast/efficient/fun mission running I'd avoid drone ships all together.
missile boats make for pretty good all around tank & spank ships, can be a bit boring but usually a good choice.
amarr ships with lasers are great for amarr space (end game ship nightmare), similarly minmatar/angel ships are great in minmatar space (end game ship machariel)
and I really don't see a navy caracal doing lv3s faster than a drake, unless a few seconds on align time beats an extra launcher and 2 more drones.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.09.07 19:49:00 -
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anything with good enough range and dps while still sporting a sufficient tank seems to work pretty good. what ships might that be. you'll have to figure that out on your own depending on your skills, etc... --
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gelgamek
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Posted - 2010.09.07 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Daergaar
Originally by: gelgamek Missiles ---
Wait...why would you fit a sensor booster on a mission Drake?quote]
Script if for scan res, lock frigates faster. The slowest part of killing them is locking.
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Daergaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.07 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: gelgamek
Script if for scan res, lock frigates faster. The slowest part of killing them is locking.
The Drake, for example, can lock 8 targets simultaneously. It's really a non-issue. Lock a battleship or battlecruiser first, start killing it, and while you're shooting at it, you can lock onto 7 more frigates.
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Jamie Banks
Gallente Wasted and Still Mining
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Posted - 2010.09.08 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Boots McKenzie What ship is recommended for making it through 1 to 4? Drone boat quickest? Missile boat?
Assuming you aren't ISK limited:
1. Tengu / Kestrel 2. Tengu 3. Tengu 4. Tengu / Golem / CNR _______________________________
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.09.08 01:40:00 -
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Drone boats can be fun, but if you include missions against all types of rats, they loose to missile ships when it comes to TTK (time to kill) imho.
Either the drones are slow to reach the target target (scout, medium, and heavies) or they simply do less DPS (sentry) than the equivilant missile class.
I have done missions for all factions (traveling road show) to gain R&D standings and my observations are as follows when taking DPS and tank as well as ship speed & agility into consideration:
Level 1: (with great skills)
1. Flycatcher, Standard Missile Launchers (yes you read correctly) 2. Tengu, Assault Missile Launchers
Level 1: (with low skills)
1. Kestrel, Standard Missile Launchers 2. Caracal, Assault Missile Launchers
Level 2: (with great skills)
1. Flycatcher, Standard Missile Launchers 2. Tengu, Assault Missile Launchers
Level 2: (with low skills)
1. Caracal, Assault Missile Launchers 2. Kestrel, Standard Missile Launchers
Level 3: (with great skills)
1. Nighthawk, Heavy Missile Launcher (because of drones and exp velocity bonus) 2. Tengu, Heavy Missile Launchers
Level 3: (with low skills)
1. Drake, Heavy Missile Launchers 2. uh, assuming poor skills anything else just sucks.
Level 4: (with great skills)
1. Golem, > or = CNR (depending on mission) 2. Tengu > or = Nighthawk (depending on mission)
Level 4 : (with low skills)
1. CNR, Cruise Missile Launchers 2. Raven, Cruise Missile Launchers
My two cents
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.08 08:47:00 -
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I did my grind from lvl1 - lvl3 with a Ishkur (assault frigate). The only problem lies in certain missions where you can't take a assault ship. My other choice was Vexor (cruiser) and you could take it anywhere and it had a decent cargo bay for those annoying courier missions.
Do keep in mind, my droneskills are quite good. Those drones hacked away everything instantly. Actually the whole mission time was based on flight time of the drones and you. In lvl3's I too my domi, because there are bigger ships and there are a lot of towers that make your life annoying. Also I found out that there some lvl3 that are really hard! My first reaction was WTF! A dps /semi tank domi had to warp out. I can just imagine how hard those missions are for rookies (they would die). Of course I didn't pay any attention to aggro (i mean...i'm in a BS doing lvl3's....) and suddenly I'm jumping out in structure (1xLAR, 4x hardeners (omni) and dcu). WIth good skills I might add.
I can't remember the missions, but they are lvl3 only missions. In comparison I would say they are like (or worse, yeah...worse) than lvl4 angel extras considering in what ships you should do them.
but, I would go for an AF to blitz through the missions until lvl3 and then having a looksie into mission details. Most of the lvl3 are a breeze with a AF, but as I said some aren't.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2010.09.08 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jamie Banks
1. Tengu
Originally by: Patri Andari
Level 1: (with great skills) 2. Tengu, Assault Missile Launchers
The Tengu is a Strategic Cruiser. Can it even enter L1s?
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Alt Tabbed
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Posted - 2010.09.08 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Boots McKenzie Funny thing, I got a RL. Its really really busy.
I was going to reply..then I read this... I'm too busy with my RL to bother holding your wittle busy hands to help you through this weally hawd task.
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.08 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kezzle The Tengu is a Strategic Cruiser. Can it even enter L1s?
It's still a cruiser :)
There are a small number of level 1 and 2 missions which have restrictions on ship types, the rest of them you can get to with cruisers and in many cases T2/T3 cruisers.
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Myrr Aileen
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Posted - 2010.09.09 09:05:00 -
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When i did this the last time it went like this:
Started lvl 1 missions with a kestrel and 4 standard launchers, nothing else. Had som problems with worlds collide i think it was, much easier when fitting stuff like tank.
When i could do lvl 2 missions i got a Caracal, HAMs, some large shield extender and BCUs. Pretty much a buffer tank of 5 k or something, almost never used it.
When i got so i could make lvl 3 missions i trained connections to 3 or something and thus could make lvl 4 missions.
So i got some experience making level 1 missions without a tank and ended up in a raven checking out my first mission (worlds collide) WAY before i could handle the tank needed for the raven....
A fast route but almost too fast.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2010.09.09 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Kezzle The Tengu is a Strategic Cruiser. Can it even enter L1s?
It's still a cruiser :)
There are a small number of level 1 and 2 missions which have restrictions on ship types, the rest of them you can get to with cruisers and in many cases T2/T3 cruisers.
Oh! I thought L1s were restricted to Dessies and below. Suppose I never even considered going into one in a cruiser and I just assumed since higher level missions were...
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