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ZeeOhSix
Blackwater Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.09.11 17:48:00 -
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Having just onlined my first POS, I thought I'd share some of the lessons learned (and unlearned) in the process. This isn't a how-to as that's been well-covered, but more about the experience overall and stuff that isn't really in the FAQs and guides. All this stuff has probably been covered before :)
Rule 1: Have your location selected and prepared. I was surprised at the number of factors that needed to be considered in finalizing the location. The regions were somewhat decided for us based on standings, but from there it seemed there were a million factors. Jumps to Jita, local lab facilities, office availability and pricing, moon availability, access to 0.0 - expect to spend a fair bit of time researching and flying around in frig and pod scouting. I was pretty liberal about renting offices; when I found a system I thought would work, I rented an office figuring I could always release it later. In the end this worked very well for us as it helped narrow down the options. Have your moon selected, an office in-system and keep a close eye on stuff as you get everything else ready.
Rule 2: Have your POS configuration fully worked out. POS configuration is pretty well covered and finding a workable config isn't all that hard with a little time in Excel. But work out "peace" and "wardec" configurations and have them documented, document your fuel use and the slots you need for the stuff you're going to do. Basically, ensure your POS works "on paper" in an Excel model before you buy anything.
Rule 3: Have everything pre-positioned. I would rate this aspect at the most important. I had two cloaked industrials in-system; one with the tower and fuel to anchor and another with batteries, ammo and fuel for initial defenses. Everything else was in "packages" that I could quickly pick-up and load in phases to bring the defenses fully online and then build out the industrial capability. You don't want to get through the tower anchoring process only to find that you forgot to buy starbase charters, or end up with guns onlined with no ammo, or try to sort out loadings of arrays/batteries and ammo. Clearly not as big of a deal in hisec...but never underestimate the willingess of EVE and it's residents to grief the unready. Some other corp may have had an eye on that moon, or just doesn't want a new neighbor.
Note that this rule also includes having capable ships for defense during anchoring, having repper ships ready, and having the right skills to fight the POS if needed - and making sure corp members know how the stuff works. Don't do anything until you're really, fully ready to do this.
All this gets particularly important if you hire a "gunslinger" as we did to bring our standings up. You've got exactly 1 week to get everything done - and if you're still looking around and moving stuff when the gunslinger leaves - you're probably going to come up short somewhere.
In closing, I'd like to thank everyone that wrote a FAQ, posted a guide, answered (dumb) questions and provided services to let us make this happen.
The business of EVE is business!
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.09.12 08:25:00 -
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Re gunslingers: the 1 week limit only applies to anchoring control towers. All other structures can be anchored freely once the towers are in place, regardless of standings. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.12 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 12/09/2010 08:54:45
IGB POS Planner is better than Excel (so is OpenOffice 'cause it's free).
Finding a spot is by far the hardest part. Especially when you pick a spot and find a tower there the next day! Doh! Happened to me.
Using a freighter for everything and an industrial to carry 1 hour of fuel makes setup a lot easier. Freighter can launch tower, but can't fuel it until it is online. Once online, freighter can put the rest of the fuel in, and launch all the modules.
In lowsec, nulsec, or w-space, a blockade runner is ideal for launching a tower and carrying 1-6 hours of fuel.
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oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.09.12 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: oil on 12/09/2010 14:04:14 as already stated standing has influence only on tower anchoring. all other actions are independent of that.
why are u in a hurry with modules to online and stuff. nobody can harm your tower without a 24 hour notice to you.
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ZeeOhSix
Blackwater Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: ZeeOhSix on 12/09/2010 20:08:03 Clear that the security standing only applies to the tower, but it's still critical IMHO to ensure you have your moon selected and everything else ready - it's easily possible to waste much of that time looking around for a location, getting equipment in place, etc.
I found Excel to be a more flexible tool for configuration, but that's a personal choice.
Yes, in hisec POS defense isn't that big of a deal but still - being unready offers opportunities.
Not every corp is completely ready with a freighter :)
The business of EVE is business!
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.09.13 11:34:00 -
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now comes the hard part, making your high sec pos economically viable.
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ZeeOhSix
Blackwater Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.09.13 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mike TheMiner now comes the hard part, making your high sec pos economically viable.
Already there from an operational perspective :) I was renting POS space to make BPCs and the weekly cost of the POS is a bit less than what I was paying for those services. I was also getting blocked on NPC station invention slots on occasion (mostly on weekends) and of course that's no longer an issue. So we're able to achieve higher T2 production rates, easier, at around the same cost. Plus we now have research slots and other options.
Overall, the decision has worked out even better than expected financially. Considering the cost of the POS, cost recovery (if you want to take the model that far out) is about 2 months, but this doesn't really address the opportunity cost of things like having no invention slots for 2 days/week.
I'm currently using about 1/2 the power/CPU of a medium non-faction tower in a peace configuration which matches my current production capacity.
The business of EVE is business!
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Bhurama
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Posted - 2010.09.13 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: ZeeOhSix
I'm currently using about 1/2 the power/CPU of a medium non-faction tower in a peace configuration which matches my current production capacity.
So why not just use a small tower for half the fuel cost and only expand to the medium when your production capacity requires it?
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ZeeOhSix
Blackwater Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bhurama So why not just use a small tower for half the fuel cost and only expand to the medium when your production capacity requires it?[/quote
It's a fair question, and there are a number of reasons.
I have 3 alts actively training and will be ramping up fairly quickly - and didn't want to have to go through the whole process twice. A medium meets our long-term targets, a small did not.
I didn't feel a small had the capability to support a decent wardec configuration, even in hisec. The business of EVE is business!
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Mylock Miannapan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.28 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: ZeeOhSix
Originally by: Bhurama So why not just use a small tower for half the fuel cost and only expand to the medium when your production capacity requires it?[/quote
It's a fair question, and there are a number of reasons.
I have 3 alts actively training and will be ramping up fairly quickly - and didn't want to have to go through the whole process twice. A medium meets our long-term targets, a small did not.
I didn't feel a small had the capability to support a decent wardec configuration, even in hisec.
It seems to me if I understand it that you had to put the POS down with corp standings provided by a 3rd party. If so then you wont have the option to upgrade the tower at a later date without having the standings.
I had to kick people out for a bit while our standings went up and to avoid that again, I also placed a couple of anchored towers in other systems in case we ever need them.
One of those small towers now makes a nice little minng station with the temporary addition of a hangar. After a weekend mining away we pack it up and offline the tower.
I am quite glad we have a backup option as a corp I was in once before lost theirs to a goon threat and had no standings to put another down.
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Misty Lilly
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Posted - 2010.09.28 02:18:00 -
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If you have a choice, choose a moon that is an 'insta-undock' from your station. Will be very helpful during a wardec.
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Missm Uppet
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.28 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Misty Lilly If you have a choice, choose a moon that is an 'insta-undock' from your station. Will be very helpful during a wardec.
Good idea, but I think insta-undock BMs per member >200km out are much more practical and will almost always offer better alignment. Also, make sure all your bears do the same for their favorite trade hubs and mission stations. Vital in war time. Also, if it needs to be said, never ever share BMs with other members mmmmk?
for the OP, Rule 1 - yup, those are important factors to consider Rule 2 - very good point for high-sec POSs especially given that peaceful 100% carebear configs are an option Rule 3 - really not a huge concern in high-sec, once the tower's anchored, you're solid
Helpful observations. Good luck with your operations. High-sec towers are great - you will love them long time.
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