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Tyrone Bighams
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.12 07:05:00 -
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... A Buff with Purposes of, but not Limited to, The Correction of In-game Mechanics Pertaining to the Factional Ships and Skills of The Groups Colloquially Known as "Gallente" and "Caldari".
Having Whiled Away what could have Otherwise been Productive Hours in the Thrall of This Delightful Program, I Believe I have Come to Understand the Form and Function of the Extremely Complicated Underpinnings of EVE Online. I have Gazed upon the Divine Majesty of Amarrian Battleships, Done Battle with the Unsubtle Perversions of Sansha's Foul Nation, and Struck Mighty Blows Against the Hulls of my Opponents in the Void.
In my Travels I have Seen Unimaginable Horizons that Stretched to Eternity, Beheld Warped Shards of Unreality Pour from the EVE Gate, and Felt the Hungry Stare of the very Void I Looked Into Look Back Into me.
Through all of The Travails and Trails of These past Two years, I Have Scented Injustice Permeating the Fabric of this Avocation. Here, However, There Shall be a new Dawn for Caldari and Gallente!
I Extend my Heartfelt Invitation to Any and All who Feel that Their Exercise of Sovereign Franchise Could Solve The Problems of Gameplay Facing Gallenteans and Caldari, Upon the Conditions that;
Contributors Apply Numerical Proofs to their Claims, Utilizing Higher-Level Thought and Unabridged Logic in Their Quest for Truth;
That Any and All "Flames" Be Directed Politely;
That, if Possible, All Donors of Wisdom Convey Their Meaning in Dense and Turgid Prose
It is my Heartfelt Belief that Through the Application of Mathematical Logic and Scientific Principle, A True and Unabridged Report Concerning the State of Play for Gallenteans and Caldari can be Written and Fully Endorsed by CCP CCP. Hear my prayer from atop your bone strewn tower! Boost Gallente, for they have become free kills in todays fleet warfare due to poor range, ineffective webs, and terrible speed! |
Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 08:55:00 -
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Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.12 09:54:00 -
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One would peruse clarification as for the need for the corrections mentioned in the first paragraph.
The mention of factional ships is unclear in it's intention of directing us towards such vessels as are designed by the navy or does it also include the designs submitted by Ishukone and other private entities contained within the aforementioned colloquial groups?
The mention of faction skills is similarly disingenuous as it implies that skills pertaining to one faction are unbalanced in relation to the others. I find this assertion hard to believe as the specific racial skills are on a level commensurate with each other and skills that are devoid of a genealogical preference for specific ship designers are relevant to all players who may have an interest in that skill.
With kind regards and looking forwards to your assuredly non superfluous reply. Yani _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat One would peruse clarification as for the need for the corrections mentioned in the first paragraph.
The mention of factional ships is unclear in it's intention of directing us towards such vessels as are designed by the navy or does it also include the designs submitted by Ishukone and other private entities contained within the aforementioned colloquial groups?
The mention of faction skills is similarly disingenuous as it implies that skills pertaining to one faction are unbalanced in relation to the others. I find this assertion hard to believe as the specific racial skills are on a level commensurate with each other and skills that are devoid of a genealogical preference for specific ship designers are relevant to all players who may have an interest in that skill.
With kind regards and looking forwards to your assuredly non superfluous reply. Yani
Look at your post. Now back to mine. Now back at your post. Now back to mine. Sadly it isn't my post, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate posts, it could look like mine. Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're scrolling through posts, writing the post your post could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again, the reply is diamonds. Anything is possible when you think before you post. I'm on a horse. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.12 11:00:00 -
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One would refer the good gentleman who uses the internet alias of Grimpak to a very clear requirement outlined in the commencing communique of this thread.
Originally by: Tyrone Bighams
All Donors of Wisdom Convey Their Meaning in Dense and Turgid Prose
While following your instructions to "Look at your post. Now back to mine." I was struck by the similitude vis a vis your posts and a viral pattern of internet posting made popular by the cheezburger and 4chan websites.
Aforementioned viral posts (which I shall henceforth refer to as memes) are considered to be the base level of intelligence for a subdivision of internet posters that are known as trolls. The repetition of phrases such as, "look at your xxxx, now back to xxxx" does in many cases require only a minimal level of intelligence to utilize.
By contrast the subtlety of trolling in the OP required a degree of originality and as such may inspire some thought on the part of those who wish to respond in a manner pursuant with the delineations prescribed by Tyrone Bighams.
In case you find long words hard to understand I shall translate that in to meme speak for you - This thread has potential. _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 12/09/2010 11:11:35
Originally by: yani dumyat One would refer the good gentleman who uses the internet alias of Grimpak to a very clear requirement outlined in the commencing communique of this thread.
Originally by: Tyrone Bighams
All Donors of Wisdom Convey Their Meaning in Dense and Turgid Prose
While following your instructions to "Look at your post. Now back to mine." I was struck by the similitude vis a vis your posts and a viral pattern of internet posting made popular by the cheezburger and 4chan websites.
Aforementioned viral posts (which I shall henceforth refer to as memes) are considered to be the base level of intelligence for a subdivision of internet posters that are known as trolls. The repetition of phrases such as, "look at your xxxx, now back to xxxx" does in many cases require only a minimal level of intelligence to utilize.
By contrast the subtlety of trolling in the OP required a degree of originality and as such may inspire some thought on the part of those who wish to respond in a manner pursuant with the delineations prescribed by Tyrone Bighams.
In case you find long words hard to understand I shall translate that in to meme speak for you - This thread has potential.
I beg your pardon, but I only attempted to convey my feelings about this same thread in a manner that would be at the same level of such prose, if internet trolling has any level at all.
post scriptum: I also have the need of convey my feelings of hate and disgust for the general populace of these forums, including yourself, thus my tasteless and senseless posts on this already quite tasteless and senseless thread, to which they happen to be quite equal in above said level. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.12 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
I beg your pardon, but I only attempted to convey my feelings about this same thread in a manner that would be at the same level of such prose, if internet trolling has any level at all.
post scriptum: I also have the need of convey my feelings of hate and disgust for the general populace of these forums, including yourself, thus my tasteless and senseless posts on this already quite tasteless and senseless thread, to which they happen to be quite equal in above said level.
Your begging at the door of my pardon has been noted, it is perhaps unfortunate however that I hate beggars.
I am in complete agreement towards your assertion that "this [is] already [a] quite tasteless and senseless thread" and as such would encourage members of the wider New Eden community to participate, if only for the morbid fascination of watching often intelligent individuals make an ass of themselves on a public forum.
We have however meandered from the inquiry outlined by the initiating person among this discussion. Thus I submit the proposition that the only major problems suffered by starships manufactured to the specifications of the imaginary internet genus "Caldari" and "Gallente" are related to the hybrid weapons system.
Caldari are also affected by the issue of rockets however this should not be taken in to account as said weapons technology has been reworked and is awaiting introduction to the singularity test server. _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:54:00 -
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Whereas these replies were written in a style becoming to mirth, I loled.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Look at your post. Now back to mine. Now back at your post. Now back to mine. Sadly it isn't my post, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate posts, it could look like mine. Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're scrolling through posts, writing the post your post could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again, the reply is diamonds. Anything is possible when you think before you post. I'm on a horse.
Forsooth good sir you have triumphed over the ungoodly troll.
FORSOOTH THE WIN! ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.12 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama
Forsooth good sir you have triumphed over the ungoodly troll.
FORSOOTH THE WIN!
I fear you did not glean the deeper insights of our friend Yani Dumyat, or the potential contained in his philosophic responses. But alas, children born out of wedlock are too often poorly educated, and expounding further may be an injustice to both you and us all.
;)
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:04:00 -
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Trolls with monocles, teacups, and tophats... never thought I'd see the day. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama
Originally by: Grimpak Look at your post. Now back to mine. Now back at your post. Now back to mine. Sadly it isn't my post, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate posts, it could look like mine. Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're scrolling through posts, writing the post your post could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again, the reply is diamonds. Anything is possible when you think before you post. I'm on a horse.
Forsooth good sir you have triumphed over the ungoodly troll.
FORSOOTH THE WIN!
one must advert you, good footoo, that the quoted discourse is no more than a copy, plagiarized from another webpage on the internet network, thus I'm obliged to, quite to my dismay, refuse the victory. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:18:00 -
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No.
Long version:
Hell no.
Also, your English teacher would cry if she saw you abusing it as you do here. __________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |
Tyrone Bighams
Gallente Tactical Command Sector
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Posted - 2010.09.12 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat One would peruse clarification as for the need for the corrections mentioned in the first paragraph.
The mention of factional ships is unclear in it's intention of directing us towards such vessels as are designed by the navy or does it also include the designs submitted by Ishukone and other private entities contained within the aforementioned colloquial groups?
The mention of faction skills is similarly disingenuous as it implies that skills pertaining to one faction are unbalanced in relation to the others. I find this assertion hard to believe as the specific racial skills are on a level commensurate with each other and skills that are devoid of a genealogical preference for specific ship designers are relevant to all players who may have an interest in that skill.
My Profuse Apologies, Mr. Dumyat; At the time of Writing, my Intention of Defining the Groups as "Factions" Was Used Simply to Declare Caldari and Gallenteans as Belonging to Their own Disparate Aggregation of Individuals. I Will be Certain to Omit any Such Confusing Usages In Every Following Elucidation.
With kind regards and looking forwards to your assuredly non superfluous reply. Yani
CCP. Hear my prayer from atop your bone strewn tower! Boost Gallente, for they have become free kills in todays fleet warfare due to poor range, ineffective webs, and terrible speed! |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:14:00 -
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0/10 When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.13 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Seriously Bored
Whereas these replies were written in a style becoming to mirth, I loled.
Such a compliment from a beautiful Matari lady is accepted more than gladly, were it not for the anonymity and ladyboys upon this forum I would have no hesitation in offering you the experience of being nailed to the floorboards by my phallus.
Despite the possibly uncomfortable feeling of decorum leaving the building that comment was meant with the best of intentions. _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.13 01:54:00 -
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Dear Mr Tyrone Bighams.
I am writing in gratitude to your clarification towards my previous misconception that a "Disparate Aggregation of Individuals" may be separated in to naval and private ship designs. Now that the misunderstanding is understood I shall henceforth refer to aforementioned racial ship types without indulging in unnecessary confusion over the inauguration of any specific vessel.
One supposes that the meat of your argument is centered around the viability of specific hybrid munition platforms such as the megathron or rokh? Unfortunately I do not have great experience with these ships though have flown the moa on occasion and found it to be a most underrated platform, ideal for perforating over confident ruptures.
Perhaps if you could unfurl your hypothesis to a greater plateau we could discuss these ideas more.
Yours sincerely, Yani Dumyat.
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Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.13 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
I'm obliged to, quite to my dismay, refuse the victory.
I am disappoint! (and other such memes)
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Also, your English teacher would cry if she saw you abusing it as you do here.
Far from it my friend. Many teachers are willing and most wish to do good but few have the talent to truly inspire. Mr Lea was the one teacher who could swear at me and I would not complain, whatever I displayed in youthful arrogance he could counter with Carlos Castaneda, Aldous Huxley, Shakespeare, Kafka and then when I handed in an essay written in green pen the good Mr Lea turned to me. "The only people who write in green pen are madmen and the president of the united states."
One does not easily forget such genius. _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
Tyrone Bighams
Gallente Tactical Command Sector
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Posted - 2010.09.13 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat Dear Mr Tyrone Bighams.
I am writing in gratitude to your clarification towards my previous misconception that a "Disparate Aggregation of Individuals" may be separated in to naval and private ship designs. Now that the misunderstanding is understood I shall henceforth refer to aforementioned racial ship types without indulging in unnecessary confusion over the inauguration of any specific vessel.
One supposes that the meat of your argument is centered around the viability of specific hybrid munition platforms such as the megathron or rokh? Unfortunately I do not have great experience with these ships though have flown the moa on occasion and found it to be a most underrated platform, ideal for perforating over confident ruptures.
Perhaps if you could unfurl your hypothesis to a greater plateau we could discuss these ideas more.
Yours sincerely, Yani Dumyat.
Mr Dumyat, It is with a heavy heart that I Stand before you, the one proud nations of Gallente and Caldari held, tattered, in my hands.
Hybrid Specific Platforms are vessels that serve almost no purpose in today's game of EVE online.
A quick Summary of the plight [especially that of the Gallenteans] is thus: -Hybrids, taken as a whole, have poor damage. A Pulse Laser has almost as much damage dealing capability as a Blaster, and more than five times the optimal firing range. Intolerable!
-Railguns [colloquially designated as "fail"guns due to their execrable statistics] are not at all useful. Their increased range means nothing when their damage is pitifully low and their damage types are immutable.
-All this combines to evaporate the hopes of any Galleantan or Caldari Turret Platform being able to stand on equal terms with their counterpart ships. CCP. Hear my prayer from atop your bone strewn tower! Boost Gallente, for they have become free kills in todays fleet warfare due to poor range, ineffective webs, and terrible speed! |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.13 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/09/2010 03:10:14 Dear Mr. Bighams,
I respectfully submit that no viable long range weapons system has the ability to vary damage types at extreme range. In the end, I do, however, concur that Hybrid weapons systems are lacking in some key areas.
Sincerely, Liang '-Liang' Nuren -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.13 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 13/09/2010 04:06:09
Originally by: yani dumyat
Such a compliment from a beautiful Matari lady is accepted more than gladly, were it not for the anonymity and ladyboys upon this forum I would have no hesitation in offering you the experience of being nailed to the floorboards by my phallus.
Despite the possibly uncomfortable feeling of decorum leaving the building that comment was meant with the best of intentions.
Your hesitation is warranted, as this board has a nail of its own.
Sadly, Seibestor men have such ungainly skulls that the humble Joseph Merrick would lower his eyes in disgust, and it is enough to drive some of us to put on rouge just to look in the mirror without making a geyser of our lunch. With apprehension I must note that you bear the mark of this condition.
Put elsely: were my portrait a colorful door, its hinges would still only swing in the common direction.
ED: If this act continues much longer, we may have to move it to Ren Fair.
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Tyrone Bighams
Gallente Tactical Command Sector
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Posted - 2010.09.13 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/09/2010 03:10:14 Dear Mr. Bighams,
I respectfully submit that no viable long range weapons system has the ability to vary damage types at extreme range. In the end, I do, however, concur that Hybrid weapons systems are lacking in some key areas.
Sincerely, Liang '-Liang' Nuren
Liang, I am pleasantly surprised by your presence in my humble thread. Having read several of your preceding posts, i have found you to be a clear analytical thinker. Your point that no weapon system can change damage types at extreme range does have some merit to it; however, i would posit that overall, railguns cannot stand up to artillery despite their range advantage. Hybrids do have several intolerable flaws and drawbacks associated with their use, and I invite you to go more indepth as to why you feel as I do.
CCP. Hear my prayer from atop your bone strewn tower! Boost Gallente, for they have become free kills in todays fleet warfare due to poor range, ineffective webs, and terrible speed! |
My Postman
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Posted - 2010.09.13 12:43:00 -
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As english is not my native tongue, i¦m *usually* not that bad at.
But please, can someone tell me (in "not shakespeare english??) WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT?
A Tl;Dr would do it
Fake edit: Tried to read second time, did¦nt compute.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:40:00 -
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Dear Mr. Bighams,
The List of intolerable flaws in Hybrids is quite impressive indeed. The base problems are quite simple and well named by many. I would say that the three biggest problems are an insufficient quantity of damage, insufficient damage application inside what is colloquially known as Web Range, and insufficient speed to bring said damage to bear. Should I be tasked with coming up with a definite numerical solution to fix both Gallente and Caldari racial hybrid platforms, I would say that perhaps a modest damage increase of no more than 15% should be coupled with increasing base fittings on some few ships and increasing the Caldari racial optimal bonus to 15%. I would further like to revisit the idea of balance between active and passive tanking, and armor rigs in particular.
Sincerely, Liang '-Liang' Nuren -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones 0/10
Haughty troll is ****.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Indeterminacy
Originally by: Cipher Jones 0/10
Haughty troll is my biological father.
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.09.13 19:00:00 -
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What is this, I don't even.. - #DEVOUR# Scream for me. I'll die for you #DEVOUR# Scream for me. I'll die for you #DEVOUR# |
Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.13 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Indeterminacy
Originally by: Cipher Jones 0/10
Haughty troll is my biological father.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.13 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Dear Mr. Bighams,
The List of intolerable flaws in Hybrids is quite impressive indeed. The base problems are quite simple and well named by many. I would say that the three biggest problems are an insufficient quantity of damage, insufficient damage application inside what is colloquially known as Web Range, and insufficient speed to bring said damage to bear. Should I be tasked with coming up with a definite numerical solution to fix both Gallente and Caldari racial hybrid platforms, I would say that perhaps a modest damage increase of no more than 15% should be coupled with increasing base fittings on some few ships and increasing the Caldari racial optimal bonus to 15%. I would further like to revisit the idea of balance between active and passive tanking, and armor rigs in particular.
Sincerely, Liang '-Liang' Nuren
In regards to your statement, I am in total agreement about the idea of rebalancing active and passive tanking, with special regard on the armor rigs indeed.
as for the changes on the hybrid weaponary, I do have quite the different ideas, altho the idea of increasing the bonus range of caldari racial hybrid platforms to 15% is somewhat interesting, along with the dire need of increasing the powergrid of said platforms. I propose to the railguns an increase of damage of no more than 10%, on contrary of your proposal, to the topmost calibre of said guns on the 3 subcapital size classes, while the lower calibre guns could indeed benefit from a 15% damage and a 5% tracking increase on their statistical parameters.
as far as blasters are concerned however, I would desire no less than a 20% increase in damage, coupled with a 5% increase in tracking. My proposition hangs on the fact that the blaster weaponry should regain the title of absolute damage inflicter, a status that nowadays is quite faded by the fact that it only has minor damage advantage against an overwhelming number of negative points that, infact, totally nullify such feeble damage advantage. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.13 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
as far as blasters are concerned however, I would desire no less than a 20% increase in damage, coupled with a 5% increase in tracking. My proposition hangs on the fact that the blaster weaponry should regain the title of absolute damage inflicter, a status that nowadays is quite faded by the fact that it only has minor damage advantage against an overwhelming number of negative points that, infact, totally nullify such feeble damage advantage.
I warily posit that increasing the wrath that spews from the barrels of blasters by such a percent might have ill effects, tipping the already skewed scales of balance too far in the opposite direction.
I think we can all concur that repeating-canons and light-amplification weaponry play too well within the lowly blaster's current sphere of influence. But intense pain dealt in close quarters can still be felt afar, and if overdone a blaster may subsume the canon's influence within all practical ranges of application.
Unless one makes the blaster's bite more potent while also cutting the slack in the monster's leash? Of course, I refer to the effect known as falloff.
TV;DR (Too Victorian; Didn't Read):
I want Blasters to destroy within Scram range, but if through falloff they own everything out to Disruptor range, that's a problem. I'd support either a reasonable damage upgrade, or massive damage upgrade plus reduced falloff.
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Mimiru Minahiro
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mimiru Minahiro on 13/09/2010 23:07:38 A question for Liang and Grim-
Both of you have stated a desire to look at armor rigs and I am curious as to why.
It seems that it may reduce the gulf in manuvering between armor and shield buffers/tanks, but it does nothing to reduce the gulf between various armor buffer/tanks. A trimark cane will still be faster/more manuverable than a trimark brute/trimarked myrm and a trimarked mega will be in the same boat as it is now against a trimarked geddon/pest (though admittedly a pest is an odd case because it flies more like a BC than a BS). I assume that you have something in mind that I do not, so I am curious on how this relatively boosts gal/cal. Or is the change in armor rigs not supposed to lessen the divide between armor buffers/tanks but only act as an equalizer with shield buffers/tanks?
In general-
Echo'ing the sentiments of the above poster, I fear that a blanket 20% bonus would be overly much (though i agree that perhaps a dmg boost of some sort would be a good way forward). I think something more along the lines of 7.5% increase in hybrid dmg and a seperate boost (small) to tracking for blasters- either range/tracking for rails- and reduced fitting req would be better.
As liang pointed out dmg/tracking boosts do not "fix" blasters insofar as combat has evolved over the years.. But combined with other small changes in speed/manuverability/etc mechanics it would perhaps put gal/cal gun boats into a competetive class as a whole. v0v
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mimiru Minahiro Or is the change in armor rigs not supposed to lessen the divide between armor buffers/tanks but only act as an equalizer with shield buffers/tanks?
Thus.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.14 02:12:00 -
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Dear S. Bored, Mr. Minahiro, et al,
I believe it would be pleasurable to all involved parties if I were to address my first point to S. Bored. It would seem proper that the Hybrid weapons platform colloquially known as 'Blasters' should in fact be a most superior weapons platform at close ranges, as defined by the size of the weapon in question. However, I would urge caution for undue limitations upon the mechanic known as 'Falloff' as I believe that it is not wholly undeserved for dedicated Hybrid weapon platforms, such as the Megathron, to wholly outdamage less dedicated platforms, such as the Tempest, even out to what might be called a 'Medium' engagement range. It is prudent to remember that one of the key powers that is so often touted about the weapon platform known as 'Lasers' is that it is able to project its damage quite well and that as such we should not unduly limit the engagement range to what is sometimes referred to as 'Disruptor range'.
And my second point should be addressed to Mr. Minahiro, and specifically to clarify my intention for proposing what should be known as a rebalancing of armor rigs. My intention for rebalancing armor rigs is noble and one of the purest heart. I feel that armor rigs as a whole have a gravely untoward penalty towards their fitting. I believe that this penalty is felt nowhere so strongly as actively armor tanked ships, as they are wont to only be useful in such limited engagement situations as the number of opposing pilots is relatively small and in such situations I would put forward that mobility both to the offense and to the defense is of strong importance. Thus I feel that perhaps a more appropriate penalty could be devised, such as microwarp drive capacitor usage or power grid usage for armor repair modules.
But ultimately I say that perhaps we should look not just at armor rigs for a temporary solution to tide us over, but to rebalance the rig penalties and bonuses as a whole. I also posit that rig penalties are but one of many problems with active tanking, some others being the extreme difference in fittings, vulnerability to cap warfare, and extreme reliance on capacitor boosters.
And my final point I shall put forward to all, and that I say dear sirs and madams that this is a most pleasurable way to wage what might be known as a 'forum war'.
Sincerely, Liang '-Liang' Nuren -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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yani dumyat
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Posted - 2010.09.14 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: yani dumyat on 14/09/2010 02:39:14
Originally by: My Postman As english is not my native tongue, i¦m *usually* not that bad at.
But please, can someone tell me (in "not shakespeare english??) WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT?
A Tl;Dr would do it
Fake edit: Tried to read second time, did¦nt compute.
In plain english the OP is asking for hybrids to be improved because they're weak compared to other turrets. The web changes introduced with quantum rise also had a big influence on the ability of blaster ships to get in to range.
The argument centers around how much damage blasters should have to compensate for their short range and how much tracking they should have to compensate for being close to the target.
With rail guns the question is how much damage and range do they need till they are a viable alternative to lasers and projectiles. Range is important because it defines what ammunition you can use at sniper distances as well as the maximum range of the weapon.
For reference the general attributes of each turret system are:
Lasers (pulse and beam) - long optimal / short falloff / poor tracking / medium alpha / medium rof (rate of fire) / medium dps (damage per second) Autocannons - short optimal / long falloff / reasonable tracking / medium alpha / medium rof / medium dps Artillery - short optimal / long falloff / poor tracking / high alpha / low rof / medium dps Blasters - short optimal / short falloff / good tracking / medium alpha / medium rof / very high dps Railguns - long optimal / long falloff / medium tracking / low alpha / high rof / medium dps
Currently blasters lack the damage and tracking needed to compensate for their short range especially in the larger turret sizes, there is apparently a problem with railguns too but I don't understand it so well.
Hybrids need a buff and I would argue that the change to tracking enhancers has made them very popular on Matari ships so to bring things in to paper/rock/scissors balance autocannons need a tracking nerf too.
This is just my understanding of the subject but I do not pretend to be any kind of expert. I understand there is also a question of agility particularly with hit and run blaster ships like the thorax?
Ok I was being nice because I understand that not everyone on these boards is a native english speaker. The OP did however specify the use of dense and turgid prose so one shall henceforth return to a form of composition hitherto utilized as the parlance of this thread.
The quondam of this communique posited my understanding of the issues currently under discussion and as such I have little to advance outwith an artifice that may preface my name with the T word. One wishes merely to goad the billy goats.
Footoo Rama, SFX Bladerunner, Cipher Jones, King Gore and Indeterminacy have given little account of how their ramblings fail to bear any similitude betwixt a mere ape of undistinguished culture and an inkling of comprehension that pertains to the queries submitted by Tyrone Bighams.
I place a proposition to such individuals that the phrase 'go back to wow' was based upon the perceived intellectual prowess of the eve online community. An inability to troll, inform and delineate your superiority in the one forum post could be seen as a sign of weakness within the myth of eve memes. As such I would castigate you to the gutter however a large proportion of the eve population choose to live in such a place therefore I shall pronounce no such castigation as I would not wish to dirty their homes.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.09.14 09:41:00 -
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Dear Mr. yani dumyat, thanks for clarification.
After reading the answers i was aware that the thread is about Hybrids.
And as my main is gallente i only can say: Please CCP
1)Fix Blasters 2)Fix Rails
Did i get it right?
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