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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.09.15 10:27:00 -
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Just watched the CCP vid on the new probing thing.
Read that you need 4, possibly 5 probes in space to do it right.
Given that Astrometrics allows you 1 extra probe per level, would I be right in thinking you need it to at least level IV before it's worth using?
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Quetazal
Gallente Clann Fian Retribution.
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Posted - 2010.09.15 10:28:00 -
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No, You get 3 probes to start off with I think, then each astro level gives +1 I came, I saw, I downloaded. |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 15/09/2010 10:33:07 You need at least 4 probes to get a 100% hit.
The more probes the better, it allows for specific formations of probes
If you max out the skill you can have 8 probes out.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Geldar Wroontik
Gallente Galactic System Lords Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.15 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Geldar Wroontik on 15/09/2010 10:33:58 At Astrometrics I, the minimum level to use probes at all, you have access to four probes at one time. So you could conceivably get by on Astrometrics I.
Each subsequent level gives you an extra probe to play with, to a maximum of 8 at Astrometrics V. I personally think it's easier to just use four probes rather than the eight, but I've heard some people use eight to scan down two sigs at once. ---
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.09.15 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ultim8Evil on 15/09/2010 10:35:23 ^ This
If you're reading this, you've read too far and now you're on my sig. Concentrate on what I said before you got to this bit. Ok? |
Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.09.15 10:38:00 -
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Ah right. Didn't realise you got 3 to start off with.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 10:45:00 -
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Using my leet paint skills this is how you scan for stuff.
3 probes in the centre at stepped areas, such as 1au, 2au and 4au.
Then 4 probes at a larger area like 8au arranged so they are at the edges in a north,south,east,west position,(or similar), but so that they cover all the areas of the centre probes.
You should be able to get 100% hits by moving the whole arrangement around ontop of hits you get without managing individual probe placements.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:04:00 -
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Oh dear.
You can also mash buttons to randomly 'win' at streetfighter.
~_~
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:09:00 -
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Who let you out of C&P?
/emote slaps a return to sender sticker on Spank
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:12:00 -
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4 probes (available at Astrometrics 1) is required and sufficient. extra-probes can be used as place holders, but are not needed. what Astrometric 4 allows you is to train Astrometric Pinpointing, which is quite useful. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 15/09/2010 11:20:59
Originally by: Jagga Spikes 4 probes (available at Astrometrics 1) is required and sufficient. extra-probes can be used as place holders, but are not needed. what Astrometric 4 allows you is to train Astrometric Pinpointing, which is quite useful.
Sure, 4 probes is sufficient, but why settle for mediocre when with a little effort you can have it much better.
You have to remember that when using only 4 probes, your area where a 100% hit is possible is greatly reduced. If you set up 4 probes in a N-S-W-E shape the area you are hoping for a hit in is the shape of a rugby ball. The method posted above means that anything within the centre probes is possible to hit for 100%
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:20:00 -
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He means sufficient as in minimum required doofus. ~_~
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Jagga Spikes 4 probes (available at Astrometrics 1) is required and sufficient. extra-probes can be used as place holders, but are not needed. what Astrometric 4 allows you is to train Astrometric Pinpointing, which is quite useful.
Sure, 4 probes is sufficient, but why settle for mediocre when with a little effort you can have it much better.
àbecause more probes can under certain circumstances give you worse results. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 15/09/2010 11:26:26
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Skippermonkey
Originally by: Jagga Spikes 4 probes (available at Astrometrics 1) is required and sufficient. extra-probes can be used as place holders, but are not needed. what Astrometric 4 allows you is to train Astrometric Pinpointing, which is quite useful.
Sure, 4 probes is sufficient, but why settle for mediocre when with a little effort you can have it much better.
àbecause more probes can under certain circumstances give you worse results.
Well, work with 5 probes then and you never have the slim possibility of what you mention happening.
slightly less confusing version
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:27:00 -
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Its still prone to inaccuracy. Once you have learned to ride a bike do you keep the training wheels on? If not then you should also just use 4 probes. Of course probing about in high sec for mission runners to hurr durr I get ur tears from isn't exactly challenging and you can be terrible at probing to do this. ~_~
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey Who let you out of C&P?
/emote slaps a return to sender sticker on Spank
I loled. /supported
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Of course probing about in high sec for mission runners to hurr durr
If i needed lessons in trolling i'd ask you, you are rather good at it and do it often.
I scan down mission runners rather often as you mention and its something im good at, trust me when i say using more than 4 probes is better than using just 4.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey I scan down mission runners rather often as you mention and its something im good at, trust me when i say using more than 4 probes is better than using just 4.
àbut that just raises the question: how much of that is due to mission runners being rather easy targets to scan down, and how much of it is because you want to scan them down en masse? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Skippermonkey I scan down mission runners rather often as you mention and its something im good at, trust me when i say using more than 4 probes is better than using just 4.
àbut that just raises the question: how much of that is due to mission runners being rather easy targets to scan down, and how much of it is because you want to scan them down en masse?
Im not sure where the percieved problem with this method is?
It works on anything.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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oolk
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:43:00 -
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I just love this reccuring topic.
I use 8.
Blob of 7,8th always at 32au to spot other sigs (I slide it in|out of the grid between scans).
Maxed skills,138 scan strenght.
Been scanning since day 1.
Tried the 4 and the 5 probes setup...nope.
Blob of 7 is way,way,way (did I said way) faster.
32au spot 4au blob 2au blob...pinned.
Argue.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey Im not sure where the percieved problem with this method is?
It comes from the description CCP gave on how the mechanics behind probing works, which in the end only uses four probes to determine the final result. Among other things, this leaves room for the possibility that the mechanic picks a less than optimal pairing if you have more than four probes covering the same target, thus giving you a poorer result.
How much of an edge case this is is a different matter, thoughà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 11:51:00 -
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This setup is the way it is BECAUSE of the way only 4 probes are used. The area of the centre probe.
Ok, so on your basis we can forget the 7 probe layout, which im happy with, and use only the 5 probe setup.
The centre probe area is always a sure 4 probe hit.
any hits that get caught outside of this centre area can be followed up by moving the formation to the area indicated.
when a hit is only caught by 2 probes, you will get 2 hits with the same signature id, centre the probes on one of these and if you dotn get the hit, it was in the other position.
when a hit is only caught by 1 probe, you have a big red arch to cover with your formation.
Its not rocket science.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Khanaris Asgarth on 15/09/2010 12:02:42
Originally by: Abaroth Charmar Just watched the CCP vid on the new probing thing.
Read that you need 4, possibly 5 probes in space to do it right.
Given that Astrometrics allows you 1 extra probe per level, would I be right in thinking you need it to at least level IV before it's worth using?
The main thing is to get your Astrometrics support skills a few ranks up. Those with astrometrics 3-4 is all you really need to make it very efficient finding any signature.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:03:00 -
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Thinking about it; the 5 probe method isnt too far removed from having only 4 probes. Though without offering any drawbacks it offers the 'placeholder' effect of making the 4 other probes easier to place corectly, and the centre probe offers a greater scan strength.
so i guess our opinions arent all that far from each other
(i use the 5 probe method personally)
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:04:00 -
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Lol Accused of trolling by an ignorant moron. I've done plenty of probing and yes my origins are in scanning down mission runners. Any muppet can do that quickly and easily and just moving your probe group about at random as you recommend works quickly enough to make you think it's effective, as you say it isn't rocket science.
Now try applying that consistently to anything else that requires scanning and you will be failing horribly. I spend a lot of time probing null and wormholes and I assure you it's just a lazy and slow technique.
Feel free to just label me a 'troll' and carry on being useless.
~_~
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 15/09/2010 12:09:13 fair enough spank...
I didnt mean to say that you were trolling 'this' thread, but whatever
how would your method of probing differ?
oh - ignorant moron, thats funny.
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Ucho Dorobo
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey This setup is the way it is BECAUSE of the way only 4 probes are used. The area of the centre probe.
Ok, so on your basis we can forget the 7 probe layout, which im happy with, and use only the 5 probe setup.
The centre probe area is always a sure 4 probe hit.
any hits that get caught outside of this centre area can be followed up by moving the formation to the area indicated.
when a hit is only caught by 2 probes, you will get 2 hits with the same signature id, centre the probes on one of these and if you dotn get the hit, it was in the other position.
when a hit is only caught by 1 probe, you have a big red arch to cover with your formation.
Its not rocket science.
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LittleTerror
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 15/09/2010 11:20:59
Originally by: Jagga Spikes 4 probes (available at Astrometrics 1) is required and sufficient. extra-probes can be used as place holders, but are not needed. what Astrometric 4 allows you is to train Astrometric Pinpointing, which is quite useful.
Sure, 4 probes is sufficient, but why settle for mediocre when with a little effort you can have it much better.
You have to remember that when using only 4 probes, your area where a 100% hit is possible is greatly reduced. If you set up 4 probes in a N-S-W-E shape the area you are hoping for a hit in is the shape of a rugby ball. The method posted above means that anything within the centre probes is possible to hit for 100%
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror Well enjoy your double results.
I couldnt fail to notice that there wasnt really anything of content in your opinion. Care to elaborate?
Originally by: CCP Capslock
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
Well enjoy your double results.
double hits are good too. you just have to know which is the right one.
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