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Fitz VonHeise
Caldari Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:32:00 -
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We have seen recently a spate of very large fights in C5/C6 worm holes. I have talked about the tactics of some of these fights in my POS thread:
Thoughts From A Defeated WH Leader (Please make any comments about tactics in that thread)
While these fights are small in comparison to 00 life, in the Worm Hole world these fights are huge.
Do you think that C5/C6's will now only be owned by huge Alliances as they are the only ones that allow caps to be brought in? (Much like 00 space is now controlled by huge Alliances)
Do you think Aharm's "Fortress" will survive? Or will the 2x+ forces of Rooks crush Aharm out? (Please no comments about exploits or GM comments. We must live within the forum rules)
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Fitz VonHeise
Caldari Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:39:00 -
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reserved
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Lord Maldoror
Amarr Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:13:00 -
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Should be fun :) ------------------------------ New Video - Ironclad |
Mealtrom
Gallente Tower of Ravens The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:37:00 -
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Battle of wills I think. AHARM are no pushovers and getting enough people inside will still be difficult. On the other hand now that Rooks have figured out AHARM's *ahem* tactics they'll have a much easier time countering their fleets.
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D 666
Amarr Icarus' Wings RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: D 666 on 18/09/2010 02:50:27 Hi m8,
that should be interesting at least we will see something different than PL,WN, NC....etc
have fun and fly safe
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Rick Rothsar
Minmatar Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.09.18 02:53:00 -
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:popcorn:
Many epic battle reports to come
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Two step
Amarr Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.09.18 04:24:00 -
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I think it should be a great fight, with or without the use of all of our wormhole mechanics.
Long term w-space fights become all about control over entrances and ones ability to lock out your opponents. We certainly don't underestimate R&K, and they have the significant advantage of numbers. I do think we have a bit more w-space combat experience than they do, we also have a lot of motivation, we are defending our home.
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Deja Thoris
Amarr Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.09.18 04:35:00 -
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R&K for the knockout in the 3rd round after the ref is replaced due to fainting at the sight of aperture harmonics blood being spilled in biblical quantities. On a serious note it will be interesting to see how aharm do without the use of their unconventional tactics.
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Two step
Amarr Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.09.18 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris R&K for the knockout in the 3rd round after the ref is replaced due to fainting at the sight of aperture harmonics blood being spilled in biblical quantities. On a serious note it will be interesting to see how aharm do without the use of their unconventional tactics.
Again, as I said you on SHC, please check out our killboard before you spew forth. We have killed many, many people outside of our home system, including clearing out the next biggest w-space corp's home system just 2 weeks ago - see This thread
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Deja Thoris
Amarr Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.09.18 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Two step
Originally by: Deja Thoris R&K for the knockout in the 3rd round after the ref is replaced due to fainting at the sight of aperture harmonics blood being spilled in biblical quantities. On a serious note it will be interesting to see how aharm do without the use of their unconventional tactics.
Again, as I said you on SHC, please check out our killboard before you spew forth. We have killed many, many people outside of our home system, including clearing out the next biggest w-space corp's home system just 2 weeks ago - see This thread
Don't care. R&K are simply better than you.
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Toman Torax
Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2010.09.18 07:45:00 -
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Hang on, I'm making some popcorn... I can't wait to see how this turns out
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Sun Ra
Minmatar Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2010.09.18 14:11:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4119&tid=1
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Kieser Soze
Caldari Capital Ships Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.18 15:31:00 -
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simply put.... RnK are the best non blobbers i have ever seen in eve... i would expect them to crush these guys
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Jackaryas
Caldari Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.18 15:39:00 -
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Should be a lot of fun, cant wait to get everything going again
Yarr/ C u on the WHfield and all that
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Nix Anteris
Amarr Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.18 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Two step
Originally by: Deja Thoris R&K for the knockout in the 3rd round after the ref is replaced due to fainting at the sight of aperture harmonics blood being spilled in biblical quantities. On a serious note it will be interesting to see how aharm do without the use of their unconventional tactics.
Again, as I said you on SHC, please check out our killboard before you spew forth. We have killed many, many people outside of our home system, including clearing out the next biggest w-space corp's home system just 2 weeks ago - see This thread
Can't fight in your own systems without exploits, can't fight out of your own system without multiple merc corps and meta-gaming. Tough break eh.
Lots of things start to make sense now this has come out. No wonder you always *****ed and moaned when we never came to fight you when you'd so carefully prepped sniper fleets off the WH with "but we have less numbers" and blah blah. To be honest, at the time we noticed remote effects, but we thought it was range boosting to counter the WH effect, how wrong we were. Also explains why you set up your little outposts in Magnetar systems too.
As for you stating a Senior GM said this was all OK. I hope there's a record of that, and I hope there's a record of that Senior GM asking a Dev, and I hope that Dev gets slapped wrists. Which isn't going to happen because no Dev would ever say abuse of integer overflow exploits is an acceptable use of game mechanics, and I'm pretty sure on a technical issue such as this, the appropriate people would have been asked.
Kudos to RNK for figuring out what you were doing. Shame on you guys for not being able to defend yourselves without it.
As for clearing us out? We're not out. Keep your eyes on your d-scan ladies.
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Mag's
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.09.18 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: LoH Posted 02-26-2010, 10:35 AM Asked a GM, and the GM said it was fine (pretty sure they only asked about the sensor-booster related effects). We abused the hell out of it on Sleepers, never got to use it in PVP.
Eventually (after 3-4 weeks), someone in the corp blathered about it on SHC and another ruling was made -- it was an exploit. Nobody in the corp was banhammered.
That meant I finally got to file a bugreport... and that we can't use those modules until they actually fix the damn things.
I have the link to this if anyone is interested, this is just a snippet. Basically, Aperture Harmonics are a bunch of exploiters and have been for months.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Vilgan Mazran
Caldari Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:41:00 -
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Wormholes won't ever be limited to large groups with lots of caps, at least by us. Why would we ever want to remove a group who willingly fights? I think there'd be a massive mutiny if Aharm leadership wanted to remove Laughing Men as they have consistently fought us willingly. The fights haven't gone their way, but it won't always be that way.
I think the idea that you can safely sit in a c5/c6 wormhole and blissfully be left alone is a bit naive at this point though.
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2010.09.19 17:08:00 -
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Aharm are no pushovers, and even without questionable tactics, there's lots of weird effects to use that can render fights totally alien (which is what everyone is so enthusiastic about).
We'll see what the next fights are like, but it sure will be fun, and probably won't be a blitz. member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Feel free to contact me with queries. Convo, evemail or join the "meissaCSM" in-game channel. |
Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.19 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel Aharm are no pushovers, and even without questionable tactics, there's lots of weird effects to use that can render fights totally alien (which is what everyone is so enthusiastic about).
We'll see what the next fights are like, but it sure will be fun, and probably won't be a blitz.
Aharm are not pushovers because they managed to make billions of isk through questionable game mechanics. Because of the way they acquired their wealth, I would expect them to become non-factors within the eve community relatively soon.
Without the exploit, the wormhole they live in would be terrible.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nix Anteris
Originally by: Two step
Originally by: Deja Thoris R&K for the knockout in the 3rd round after the ref is replaced due to fainting at the sight of aperture harmonics blood being spilled in biblical quantities. On a serious note it will be interesting to see how aharm do without the use of their unconventional tactics.
Again, as I said you on SHC, please check out our killboard before you spew forth. We have killed many, many people outside of our home system, including clearing out the next biggest w-space corp's home system just 2 weeks ago - see This thread
Can't fight in your own systems without exploits, can't fight out of your own system without multiple merc corps and meta-gaming. Tough break eh.
Lots of things start to make sense now this has come out. No wonder you always *****ed and moaned when we never came to fight you when you'd so carefully prepped sniper fleets off the WH with "but we have less numbers" and blah blah. To be honest, at the time we noticed remote effects, but we thought it was range boosting to counter the WH effect, how wrong we were. Also explains why you set up your little outposts in Magnetar systems too.
As for you stating a Senior GM said this was all OK. I hope there's a record of that, and I hope there's a record of that Senior GM asking a Dev, and I hope that Dev gets slapped wrists. Which isn't going to happen because no Dev would ever say abuse of integer overflow exploits is an acceptable use of game mechanics, and I'm pretty sure on a technical issue such as this, the appropriate people would have been asked.
Kudos to RNK for figuring out what you were doing. Shame on you guys for not being able to defend yourselves without it.
As for clearing us out? We're not out. Keep your eyes on your d-scan ladies.
It's rare for me to agree completely with Nix and i'm please to say i dont have to this time. "Tough break eh." should have a question mark after it, not a period.
Otherwise, a perfect post. T'ra Aharm.
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Merkur Avar
Gallente Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Merkur Avar on 20/09/2010 04:44:06 Edited by: Merkur Avar on 20/09/2010 04:41:57
Originally by: Kephael
Without the exploit, the wormhole they live in would be terrible.
The effect is almost irrelevant for us when fighting sleepers. It makes our ops 10% faster but time is never the issue anyway. Also I'm wondering what happens when (not if) none of us gets banned by CCP because they realize we didn't do anything wrong.
Will ... gasp ... the Eve forums ... dramatic pause ... suddenly ... shut up? :D
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Mar Drakar
Gallente LDK Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Merkur Avar Edited by: Merkur Avar on 20/09/2010 04:44:06 Edited by: Merkur Avar on 20/09/2010 04:41:57
Originally by: Kephael
Will ... gasp ... the Eve forums ... dramatic pause ... suddenly ... shut up? :D
oawww..... did evil ppl on CAOD said terrible things about your harmless exploits?
come to mommy, she will always luv ya, and defend your exploits (as in school)...
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.09.20 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Merkur Avar The effect is almost irrelevant for us when fighting sleepers. It makes our ops 10% faster but time is never the issue anyway. Also I'm wondering what happens when (not if) none of us gets banned by CCP because they realize we didn't do anything wrong.
Will ... gasp ... the Eve forums ... dramatic pause ... suddenly ... shut up? :D
Sure, people always target disrupt their own ships in order to mess up floating point calculations...
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LiMu Bai
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: LiMu Bai on 20/09/2010 10:14:20 I dont ever post on caod, but as I heard about this massive e*pl*i* I have to do it.
I hope R&K will kick those terrible ppl out of their system. Afterwards they all should be permanently banned by ccp. Thats the most absurd bugusing since this well known Pos-e*plo*t. The number of ppl affected by this might be small, but this doesnt really matter. Its a serious issue, nontheless.
Who knows when they dicovered this "special" tactics and how long they benefited from it. It might be possible all their wealth depends on this single "tactics" The fact they not only used this in a silent manner vs, rats makes it even worse. They never should have used it in pvp.
I hope AHARM will die in a fire.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.20 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Merkur Avar Edited by: Merkur Avar on 20/09/2010 04:44:06 Edited by: Merkur Avar on 20/09/2010 04:41:57
Originally by: Kephael
Without the exploit, the wormhole they live in would be terrible.
The effect is almost irrelevant for us when fighting sleepers. It makes our ops 10% faster but time is never the issue anyway. Also I'm wondering what happens when (not if) none of us gets banned by CCP because they realize we didn't do anything wrong.
Will ... gasp ... the Eve forums ... dramatic pause ... suddenly ... shut up? :D
The effect is far from irrelevant when someone is shooting your pos though since your pos guns don't get the effect but anything shooting it does. But you knew this and chose not to include it in your post i quoted so maybe it should be no surprise that you're accused of the same kind of half-truth when you apparently petitioned this bug and apparently got given the ok to use it.
I think your corp's leadership should be telling you to stop posting on internet forums for a while.
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Karmic Enigma
Amarr NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 14:23:00 -
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When the ban hammer strikes, the ripples of the wormhole everywhere will tremble...
And that's why you never jumped to CCRES wormhole unless when terribly out numbering them.
I hope you die in a burst of flame AHARM.
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Rogue Merlin
Amarr Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.09.23 22:08:00 -
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"After that, the generals resolved that it would be better to proclaim open war, without truce or herald, as long as they were in enemy's country."
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Iniar
Minmatar Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.24 00:54:00 -
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Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war.
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Cyzlaki
Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.09.24 08:12:00 -
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Bunch of exploting ***gots. Who are you nobodies anyway? Ah who cares, go **** yourselves !
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Halor Glaw
Amarr The Dead Pod Society Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.24 09:33:00 -
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imo those "questionable tactics" aint that bad. it is wspace after all and weird things r ment to happen there. i hope ccp wont be too strict in appling game rules in this particular case! good job harmonics for planing such a clever tactic. good job to rooks as well for figuring out whats going on. and yeah rooks r very good players.
remember guyz: too many rules will eventually ruin the game.
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