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Karaya Yi
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Posted - 2010.09.22 00:24:00 -
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Get over yourselves people. Others can already buy a massive advantage in EVE through plex, allowing people to remap with them is nothing.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.22 04:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nullity on 22/09/2010 04:30:43
Originally by: Karaya Yi Get over yourselves people. Others can already buy a massive advantage in EVE through plex, allowing people to remap with them is nothing.
It's different because as PLEXes are, the reward you get for buying them is not generated in the game out of thin air; the ISK was worked for by someone in the game, and was gotten using in-game methods. Allowing PLEXes to be exchanged for remaps actually generates a reward in the game.
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Woulvesbaine
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Posted - 2010.09.22 06:17:00 -
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Wow. Not a good move.
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Aeniec
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Posted - 2010.09.22 07:35:00 -
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A lot of the points made by the QQers are nil at best.
As stated before new player buys plex, turns plex into isk, buys a new char / pith x type large shield booster / large faction pos / whatever it is they need isk for.
Buying items in game for RL money has been around since plexes were introduced.
To the people claiming "newbs cant obtain plex money with out spending rl money" - i call bull**** on. I was on my 14 day trial in a caracal doing C1 anoms solo (took awhile and i had to warp in / out a lot but it IS possible). I had plex money before my trial was up.
People claiming that the price of isk will increase because more demand obviously failed their economics class in high school. Sure prices will surge at first but after a few months prices will stabalize out again. Why? people will buy plex with RL money when the price surges for the extra isk.
As a new player i am ALL for this option. I screwed up my remap almost a year ago and would gladly pay 350 mil or whatever to fix that mistake.
You are not forced to pay plex for remaps, you will still get the 1 free a year (afaik). 99% of the people *****ing in this thread are most likely the same 5-10 people on different accounts.
This WONT break the game, if anything it'll incease the population of the game which will provide us with more content, less lag, and overall more people to blow up, we all like explosions right?.
To the people who are rage quitting over this new impliment i say dont let the door hit you in the ass. Wow is that way
And as a last note microtransactions with a monthly payment for a game is normal on most games lol. look at dungeons and dragons online. F2P w/ a 14.99 monthly subscription option.. How is eve any different? it's already free to play for a large majority of us that can EASILY pull in 300 mil in less than a week without trying.
Flame away and quit eve - it's just one less whiney poster I have to glance at on the forums.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.22 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aeniec
And as a last note microtransactions with a monthly payment for a game is normal on most games lol. look at dungeons and dragons online. F2P w/ a 14.99 monthly subscription option.. How is eve any different? it's already free to play for a large majority of us that can EASILY pull in 300 mil in less than a week without trying.
It's different because EVE is a classy MMO. It's not a dime-a-dozen, "free to play", gutter MMO. Microtransactions damage the game's integrity, balance, and economy. They're good for short term MMOs where fun is provided in quick fixes, but EVE has never been a short-term game either. I'd prefer that EVE stays the classy, long term, and methodical game that it is, and not cave into something that will kill its soul in the long term for a little extra cash.
And I must stress, I do not think PLEXes for neural remaps is particularly game breaking, or even something worth quitting over. However, I am against it by principle, and because I do not like what such a system being implemented would herald.
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Corbeau Lenoir
ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:32:00 -
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I can see how character transfers and PLEX system in general are beneficial to this game. Character sale introduces the easy way for new players to catch up with older ones. PLEXes battle the RMT and all scum that makes the game worse for everybody(hackers, cheaters, macroers etc.). On the over hand, PLEX for the remap destroys one more thing, which makes EVE the game we love. Your choices always should have consequences. if you screwed with your neural remap - you need to feel the pain, not to have the option to easily fix it with $/ISK. Also, if developers are pushing microtransactions - it's sign that their common sense is losing to greed and this won't end well, just look to all other games which have micro payment system implemented.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.22 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Corbeau Lenoir On the over hand, PLEX for the remap destroys one more thing, which makes EVE the game we love.
Say for yourself, it don't bother me even a single moment. The "PLEX aid for <whatever>" affecting PLEX prices more than any ingame change would. All you're really whining about now, is raising PLEX prices, why don't you whine about THESE actions? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.09.22 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 22/09/2010 15:14:45
The way I could see this working is if CCP would implement an in-game mechanism to remap the attributes at will(or with same limits as with a PLEX) at the same time. There would still be complaints, but at least you couldn't just pay to bypass ingame restrictions. It would change the deal from paying to bypass in-game restrictions, to paying for a convenience of not having to grind ISK(or whatever) to pay for the remap. That would be much less objectionable in general and solve my principal beef with this addition to PLEXs.
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Dominatus Crispus
Nation of Muppets
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Posted - 2010.09.22 15:51:00 -
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so for all the whiners...
can i have your stuff?
online gaming is always under some point of evolution, this includes eve... ccp is gonna do what they want, when they want, we can either adapt and keep playing, or we can leave and play something else. hellokittyonline.com anyone?
so, while not a fan of micro payment games in general, i don't see where its "much" different from how it is now. you can already buy more toys and you can buy characters "pre-built" with rl cash via the plex system... how is that any different than letting people fine tune the pilots they have already built, but over the years have found holes they would like to fill in?
i've said for years, i would galdy pay to change a name... hopefully one day, ccp will offer a pilot re-birthing system that will allow me to change my toon, either by allowing me to change his name, with or without a standings reset or corp history wipe, or allow me to tranfer his sp to a fresh clone that looks, and feels more like who i am now.
but end the end, its only a game... one i happen to love more than any other game i've played...
so really, is it worth whining over? i think not.
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dominatus Crispus so for all the whiners...
i've said for years, i would galdy pay to change a name... hopefully one day, ccp will offer a pilot re-birthing system that will allow me to change my toon, either by allowing me to change his name, with or without a standings reset or corp history wipe, or allow me to tranfer his sp to a fresh clone that looks, and feels more like who i am now.
Just on a side note, I seriously hope they NEVER allow name changes.
I don't personally see why people should be allowed to fix mistakes they made because they didn't think, were being lazy, or they couldn't come up with a good name (I'm stuck with my dumb name) - thats life and eve if a harsh world.
Getting rid of learning skills would be a much more useful thing if someone can come up with a fair distribution of the sp left over from this.
I still don't think the "You can already benefit ingame from buying plex and selling to buy something else" argument is enough of a reason to allow another mechanic into the game which will give some people more of an advantage than others.
Interesting to note though is that while most people dislike this idea, there are alot more arguments for this feature and I'm enjoying reading everyones views.
-T'amber
[SoE:UTU] Win a rare ship for 10mil
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Umino Iruka
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Posted - 2010.09.22 19:18:00 -
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Is there any confirmation about this been a VALID change? Is the feature still on SiSi and if so please post a screenshot. Would love a CCP response regarding this but i guess we wont get one .. officialy.
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Belixia
Caldari Decapsuleers Unlimited Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.09.23 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Belixia on 23/09/2010 00:24:57 And during this time, PLEX become more and more expensive. ISK sellers are happy. Please, can I have faction ships next in the PLEX cashshop ?
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.23 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Umino Iruka Is there any confirmation about this been a VALID change? Is the feature still on SiSi and if so please post a screenshot. Would love a CCP response regarding this but i guess we wont get one .. officialy.
Its just on sisi. The CSM is watching everyone's comments (and every view / argument) and taking them to CCP.
-T'amber
[SoE:UTU] Win a rare ship for 10mil
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Nova Lux
Gallente TalCorp Enterprises Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.23 14:19:00 -
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Currently on Sisi
I agree that this is a slippery slope situation; it's not so much about the remaps but that we seem to be moving towards micro-transactions.
I do not support that future.
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Corellian Smuggler
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Posted - 2010.09.23 20:45:00 -
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I support this idea. It will increase the value of a PLEX. This should mean an increased demand for PLEX's, so everyone is a winner. PLEX prices go up, the seller gets more, the buyer can get a remap. CCP should see some more money coming in as well due to increased GTC purchases. I support this 100%
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Buxter
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:13:00 -
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CCP will have no "long money" after going that way.
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Arnold Predator
Special Situations
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Posted - 2010.09.26 11:36:00 -
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The good: Would I like to get more remaps? Yes Would I like to remap the sp as well? YES YES YES (t2 hybrids :( ) Would CCP make more money: yes
The bad: Would i like to see the price of plex go up? (even if it is temp) No Would rich people have an advange over the rest of us? YES Would this disrupt the game mechanics: YES could this be turned into a cash store: yes (plex sales in game are all ready bad enough)
SHould this be used in the game: NO
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Solaris233
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.03 03:18:00 -
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No microtranscations CCP I will unsubscribe. And so will all my alts.
WTF even valve is using microtransactions.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Solaris233 No microtranscations CCP I will unsubscribe. And so will all my alts.
No need for threatening. Just do it now. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Tergiminius
Binary Star
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Posted - 2010.10.04 13:41:00 -
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Personally I think the worst thing about these whole remaps is it makes it easier for people to attain high levels of SP far easier and hinders one of the goals of achieving the highest ranks of SP. Everyone remembers when Dr Caymus was the first to reach 100m SP and I myself got pretty drunk on hitting the 100m. It was one of those things you couldn't buy with ISK, you actually had to put in the game time to achieve and that meant something. |
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Luxury Exports The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2010.10.05 08:15:00 -
[111]
No, no, no!
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Seishi Maru
Organization for Nuclear Research
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Posted - 2010.10.05 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Umino Iruka This is the most inteligent post i`ve seen so far in this thread. No offence but stop whining about "OMG CCP cant implement this whaa whaa". Dont want to point out examples but every company wants MONEY. Wake up to reality and seriously i SUPPORT this change.
Originally by: Tidanis Let me through another ringer through of this "Supply and demand" arguement:
CCP allows plexes to reset a remap: demand goes up Potential new players come into game that can skill faster: demand goes up CCP enables plexes for direct SP addition: demand goes up further More players subscribe to eve and be useful faster (with the hope of dumping learning in the trash)
End product: more people playing eve, which is what CCP wants. We might be the players but CCP will write us off in an instant if they could make millions more/year.
Fake Edit: being almost brand new to 0.0, the lag out here is pretty hardcore. Hopefully they can time the bringing of new dev's to fix that before more and more people pile into New Eden.
You forget that a businness is compromised of 2 parts. Supplier (CCP) adn client (us). While the supplier really doies focus in proffit, we focus in SATISFACTION. So it is our part of the deal to complain on anythign that does not contribute to OUR satisfaction, and we have all the right in universe to not care for CCP greedness. BEcause a LOT of us will leave if microtransactions go live.
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ashe peake
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Posted - 2010.10.05 16:18:00 -
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An EPIC FAIL for CCP if that's true... First step to closure. It would be a good idea to manage a general strike of the players for a day to said to CCP that this feature is useless and dangerous. A day without connections would be a good message.
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Sydexlic Maragan
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Posted - 2010.10.08 17:58:00 -
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Not cool, bro. NO TO MICROTRANSACTIONS
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SkyMeetFire
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.09 04:57:00 -
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I really don't have much of an issue on this decision to offer some sort of an isk -> remap ability, but I'm hesitant on the precedent it sets by tying it directly to PLEX. The main reason being I question the effect it could have on destabilizing the PLEX market in specific rather then providing a general isk sink to help keep the economy stable. I would seriously hope that there have been discussions between developers and Dr. EyjoG on that possibility, as I would hate to see this make PLEX prices skyrocket and make it difficult / impossible for many of those that maintain accounts via in-game-isk to continue. I can understand the desire to use PLEX for this system, I would like to offer an alternative system.
Neural Remap credit for ISK system Description: For a set price, a user is able to purchase a neural remap. The price of the neural remap could be fixed (boring), or floating based on a number of factors. 2 key factors seem to have the most reasonable influence based on both actual gameplay impact as well as having some sort of story-related reason for their existence.
1. Character Clone Level (or SP Total) - The overall cost of the neural remap from the base price increase at a specific rate corresponding to the difference between the base clone level (not necessarily zero), and the users level. This makes remaps more expensive for experienced players, but also leads to the possibility of discounts for newer players, hopefully leading to faster character growth. IE A player is at a clone level 10, the base level is 5, and there is a 50% cost increase per clone between the two (I know, not true, just theorizing). The base cost of a remap is 400mil, so for this character it would be 600 mil (400 mil * 1.50 = 600 mil)
2. Time to 'Free' remap period. The time till the next neural remap is used as a adjustment factor by which the cost of a remap is reduced (or enhanced). For example, if the base cost for a character to receive is a remap is 400mil, and they wait 6months to buy a new remap with the free remap period of 12 months, the net cost of the remap is only 200mil (6/12 = 0.5). This is built in to prevent abuse of the system, as well still providing the benefit of the changing of a remap if a full year of skills meeting these attributes is available/desired.
I think the combination of these two factors could lead to a system which allows players to correct for mistakes in the neural remap system, while also still benefiting both careful planning and consideration, which I think is vital to EVE. It also reduces the possible impact on the PLEX market and removes/reduces the possible view of a 'microtransation' system. Feel free to comment / flame at will, and hopefully we can come up with a system that meets CCPs criteria without resorting to a system that may disenfranchise many players.
And sorry for the wall of text. Can't do much about it. Tastes like chicken....
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2010.10.09 05:02:00 -
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I would like to say that I currently run 6 characters on EVE. If I could use PLEX to remap their attributes when I deemed fit I would do so. +1 to CCP for a viable alternative to ghost training that makes them money and me happy. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Dakhath Ebonheart
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Posted - 2010.10.14 00:29:00 -
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OMG, please think about this argument. By using in game mechanics and legal game play: $15.00 (1PLEX)= 300million isk or so. Or, 300ish million isk=$15.00 (currently only redeemable for 30 days of game time). 300 million isk = $15.00 Like it or not, thats how it is. So,let me translate that further:
7.1 million skillpoints for roughly $100 starting bid
How about 44 million SP, available today for $600.00
OR, maybe you started ytour account yesterday, and you wonder why you can't ever catch up to players that have played for 5+ years? How about 104 million SP? Bidding starts at $959.00
It doesnt matter if you started your account 10 minutes ago, you can have as many SP as you want, for a price. The links above are links to character bazaar, with prices converted at 300million isk=$15.00. Totally legal game mechanics. As long as nothing in game can be bought for ONLY real money, what does it matter? Say they make a new super battleship that takes 5 PLEX to fly, you can get PLEX with real money or isk. So be it. SP? As long as you can pay for it in-game with PLEX either bought off market or bought with real money, then lets do it.
You can buy SP for real money now. You just cant pick the name.
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Loed Kane
Amarr League of War
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Posted - 2010.10.14 12:31:00 -
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Heres a interesting idea to Drama Club here. Don't play the game, explain me please how your game experience suffers over current sugested PLEX usage? Remapping for 300+ ISK?
Please god sake Explain this, because I'm stupid! What you will lose personally? If player (A) uses PLEX to remap then what you player (B) lose personally?
- Does Player (B) Lose ISK because player (A) Remapped?
- Does Player (B) Lose Mod/Ship/Assets because player (A) Remapped?
- Does Player (B) Lose Corp/Alliance members because player (A) Remapped?
- Does Player (B) Lose Trained Skill or SP because player (A) Remapped?
- Does Player (B) Lose Game Time because player (A) Remapped?
- Does Player (B) stays Virgin rest of the life because player (A) Remapped?
No no ... Please explain me this? What's the issue here? I don't get it?
As let me explain how I could speed up my ladder getting from lets say today started toon to Carrier less than a 2 days. Now try to follow me here this is so complicated, so read following carefully. Aight
- Step one: Register Account
- Step two: Make it full account ($$$ Spent or if EU ÇÇÇ Spent)
- Step three: Browse Character Bazaar and find aspired character.
- Step four: Make offer (Hope you get nice deal and seal it)
- Step five: Go to GTC seller site and order needed amount of GTC's to insure character ISK amount and Carrier + Fitting amount ($$$ Spent)
- Step six: Wait your GTC
- Step seven: On arrival login to game either sell them at forums or break them to the PLEX's and sell them.
- Step eight: Send ISK, make post at forums about it and wait
[*]Step nine: 10 - 16 h later you have a new character, buy carrier and fit. Enjoy
Oh **** some one just used a PLEX to remap for unknow reason (F...'d up earlier hes remaps or speeding up his Carrier training. What? Still takes 4 months? Saved 15 days? Sweet) Yeah your right. PLEX for remap is way to huge advantage. It's so unfair to those who cant buy PLEX or spend $$$. Yeah. Poor people. No $$$ to buy one or no ISK to buy one. Yeah, this really ruins everybody's game experience. But buying Characters from Bazaar is still Okay, yeah... Yeah...
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HyperZerg
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Posted - 2010.10.14 14:44:00 -
[119]
For now, every Pilot had the same chances if he starts playing EvE.
My global view:
If you played 23/7 or 2h a week didn't made a difference in SP. Even if you got 1million $ you still get that much SP like someone who doesn't have any aditional $.
Now, you can remap. Skill some time, remap for next skills and so on. The player without aditional $ would have to buy item only availive from micro-transaktions from other players. If no one would sell them, he couldn't use them and will be left behind SP-wise.
My personal view: Interesting, I would spend 300-400million to buy one remap that I could train some leadership-skills fullspeed. But, even if I buy my gametime only per Ç and not from Plexes I don't like microtransaktions. Also I'm afraid how far CCP wil go with this.
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Dark Ionix
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.10.14 19:06:00 -
[120]
Meh.. I couldn't care less about the whole neural remapping for Plex thing. What would be nice, is SP redistribution for Plex though!
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