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Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Zagdul on 20/09/2010 14:34:41 This is easy. The people debuffing their friends were not doing it to play a dirty trick on their friends. The people fitting short ranged weapons and cycling them at over 150km, knew that it would hit the target. The offending parties (the ones applying the debuff and the ones sniping with blasters), both were aware and admitted it publicly on their forums as well as submitted a petition to CCP. Both parties are at fault. That easy. Now, who should be banned? Neither of the people receiving or giving the debuff. The proper channels were followed by the offenders to have the bug fixed, bug was not fixed and remained in the game. If this bug exists, it's CCP's fault for not committing to excellence. Not the players. There are so many examples where bugs due to poor coding in this game have worked against the players. This example worked for the players. Treat the players who offended the same way CCP has treated us when they've made a mistake. Go after people modifying the game or using third party bot programs.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:01:00 - [2] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Zagdul If this bug exists, it's CCP's fault for not committing to excellence. Not the players. If the bug exists, it's the players' fault for exploiting it (aka cheating), not CCP's. Relax on your crusade... You're allowed to have an opinion on this... as am I. Don't try to disprove my opinion. You'll be running in circles. I never said they shouldn't be punished.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 20/09/2010 15:13:21 Originally by: Zagdul I never said they shouldn't be punished. Rightà you only implied it by saying that ôNow, who should be banned? Neither of the people receiving or giving the debuff.ö and you argued for this on the basis that it was CCP's fault that these players cheated because they were letting the bug exist. àa bug the players knew about. àa bug the players exploited. So what do you feel is the right punishment for these cheaters? They should all have negative wallets, by quite a bit. If the logs show that the pilot was using this exploit during ratting. The ratting resulted in quite a bit of loot which was turned into things they sold on the market. Considering this was done in a C6, take the math of time logged in vs. extimated isk generated. Then let the players decide if they still wanna play :).
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.20 20:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Jenson Savage Funny how there's been no new news announcements about it (and CCP took down the only news post that they'd made). CCP? This is because CCP has to accept some blame in this. It's also why I'm against banning these players. Allow the R&K vs. AHARM fight to happen. We're all aware of this "mechanic". R&K have said multiple times they look at this as a challenge to overcome. They want AHARM to use it. Now, AHARM was told (by their own admission) that this was an exploit, yet they continued to use it. They admittedly used it for ratting and now against player targets. I'm not as upset that they used this for pvp as much as I am that they used it to farm C6 sleepers. This is far more of an offense in my opinion.
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.22 09:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Sexy Suzie Edited by: Sexy Suzie on 22/09/2010 02:10:41 Im interested what if anything will happen with the billions in isk this exploiting corp was able to generate using this underhanded method. Billions of isk was made using the exploit they shouldn't be able to keep it. This is my only issue. Let the players stay in EVE, but do the research and get a bit of an estimate on how much this corp/alliance gained isk wise using this exploit. I'm sure the logs in EVE won't backdate too far, however, finding a rough estimate of how often this was used over the past month with which characters. Take this number and multiply it based on when they received their response back in February. Deduct this amount from each offending person then let them decide if they want to continue playing EVE or not. Someone good with math who knows how much an average day of ratting in a C6 is worth. Also, DOTLAN does a thing where it shows how many rats were killed in a system for the past 24 hours. Is this data logged anywhere?

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