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TriadSte
Gallente Adeptus Arbites
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Posted - 2010.09.19 11:58:00 -
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Knowing this will be locked I thought I would make a point in stating that CCP want this to be dusted under the carpet promptly and I myself have no doubt that the very large and heavy banhammer will be slammed down upon all people abusing the mechanics of this game.
However a public statement from CCP as to what has indeed happened to the corp involved would be a nice idea. No need to mention specific names but I believe that making there punishment public might plant a seed into peoples minds who also may be bug abusing and make them think about there own actions and stop knowing that they very well might be banned.
The most important thing is that we would then know CCP actually do follow up on exposing people who use exploits and bugs.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:03:00 -
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Yeah lets keep on blowing this issue well out of proportions!
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:05:00 -
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As far as I know, any and all exploits are allowed unless it directly involves RMT. They rarely if at all punish exploiters. ------
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:06:00 -
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I'd love to see the numbers of this exploit... I mean I bet the moon goo exploit was used by a ****load of pilots - this one - seeing its limits must be fairly limited in its usage, especially seeing the need for C6's etc.
But that said, if deemed exploits, ofc it should be fixed/punished of its users. But still I do see lag issues having priority over the random C6 encounters that occurs.
Hopefully it will be fixed soon, or abusers punished either way.
/c
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:07:00 -
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Id rather there was some system in place for rewarding people who find these kinds of bugs/exploits. Afterall, theyve only done what CCPs testers couldnt do.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba I'd love to see the numbers of this exploit... I mean I bet the moon goo exploit was used by a ****load of pilots - this one - seeing its limits must be fairly limited in its usage, especially seeing the need for C6's etc.
But that said, if deemed exploits, ofc it should be fixed/punished of its users. But still I do see lag issues having priority over the random C6 encounters that occurs.
Hopefully it will be fixed soon, or abusers punished either way.
/c
The bug can actually be exploited in any Magnetar of Class 3 (or possibly even 2) or higher, although you need increasingly specialised/high-SP setups to exploit it as you go down the WH classes. Signature removed. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus The bug can actually be exploited in any Magnetar of Class 3 (or possibly even 2) or higher, although you need increasingly specialised/high-SP setups to exploit it as you go down the WH classes.
I'll rephrase my statement to C* then, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but it would still be a fairly limited amount of places/encounters this happends in. And I'm still all FOR fixing said exploit ASAP (if deemed exploit).
/c
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Quixis
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:32:00 -
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I wonder if alts of the offending corp are in here trying use a Damage Control III.
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.09.19 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Quixis I wonder if alts of the offending corp are in here trying use a Damage Control III.
cant prove otherwise, but not me, first i knew of the corp was when i read about it.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:00:00 -
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2 alliances completely paralysed and unable to play while CCP decide what to do about a bug that was reported 8 months ago is more than a little frustrating, especially with no communication as to when we can hope to get any further information.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence Yeah lets keep on blowing up stuff well out of optimal!
Fixed!
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Shwedagon Paya
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:05:00 -
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Fingers crossed, hoping all offenders get the banhammer.
I just enjoy seeing people suffer. Their anguish nourishes me from afar.
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Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte Knowing this will be locked I thought I would make a point in stating that CCP want this to be dusted under the carpet promptly and I myself have no doubt that the very large and heavy banhammer will be slammed down upon all people abusing the mechanics of this game.
However a public statement from CCP as to what has indeed happened to the corp involved would be a nice idea. No need to mention specific names but I believe that making there punishment public might plant a seed into peoples minds who also may be bug abusing and make them think about there own actions and stop knowing that they very well might be banned.
The most important thing is that we would then know CCP actually do follow up on exposing people who use exploits and bugs.
And this HASN'T been covered in the multiple other threads to do with this?
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past 2 alliances completely paralysed and unable to play while CCP decide what to do about a bug that was reported 8 months ago is more than a little frustrating, especially with no communication as to when we can hope to get any further information.
Because you can't play if you can't use said exploit?
I mean, It's not like you could go about your business WITHOUT using it?
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 19/09/2010 13:19:13 Well actually yes, though obviously you can't comprehend how hard getting people into that wormhole was.
Yet now no one dare fight until there are clear rulings as to what is and what isn't allowed. Invading a C6 isn't some whimsical activity, so do we pull out and waste the weeks of effort getting to stage we're at now or wait it out?
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Dodgy Past 2 alliances completely paralysed and unable to play while CCP decide what to do about a bug that was reported 8 months ago is more than a little frustrating, especially with no communication as to when we can hope to get any further information.
Because you can't play if you can't use said exploit?
I mean, It's not like you could go about your business WITHOUT using it?
"Completely paralyzed" my ass
You would pretty much have to reinvent PVP because of the module restrictions, but who knows, might be a fun thing to try.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past Edited by: Dodgy Past on 19/09/2010 13:19:13 Well actually yes, though obviously you can't comprehend how hard getting people into that wormhole was.
Yet now no one dare fight until there are clear rulings as to what is and what isn't allowed. Invading a C6 isn't some whimsical activity, so do we pull out and waste the weeks of effort getting to stage we're at now or wait it out?
Tbh, Isn't it obvious what will be disallowed? A way to get infinite tracking and range in certain situations is obviously not intended, No petition should be needed to understand that, And in the end, There's a grand total of four modules that are affected by the system, Only two of which could possibly do something that might possibly have an unintended effect that will be disallowed.
So again, Why not simply get on with it without using said modules? They aren't even that critical to be able to pvp, Yes, They're good, i'm not one of those people who think they're useless, but they're hardly necessary. |
Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Dodgy Past Edited by: Dodgy Past on 19/09/2010 13:19:13 Well actually yes, though obviously you can't comprehend how hard getting people into that wormhole was.
Yet now no one dare fight until there are clear rulings as to what is and what isn't allowed. Invading a C6 isn't some whimsical activity, so do we pull out and waste the weeks of effort getting to stage we're at now or wait it out?
Tbh, Isn't it obvious what will be disallowed? A way to get infinite tracking and range in certain situations is obviously not intended, No petition should be needed to understand that, And in the end, There's a grand total of four modules that are affected by the system, Only two of which could possibly do something that might possibly have an unintended effect that will be disallowed.
So again, Why not simply get on with it without using said modules? They aren't even that critical to be able to pvp, Yes, They're good, i'm not one of those people who think they're useless, but they're hardly necessary.
Are you implying that now that it's known someone in PVP isn't going to use this exploit to their advantage? Of course they are. They have. And they will. If said C6 comes under serious attack at this very moment you can assume that this exploit will be used to defend/attack. No doubt there are people in their own Magnetar's trying this exploit at this very moment. |
Honey Starblazer
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:51:00 -
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Simple and permanent solution is to remove all of the foolish modifier effects from w-space systems & slap the offenders who were abusing this. End of problems. |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.19 13:57:00 -
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So, enlighten me, what is this exploit? |
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs So, enlighten me, what is this exploit?
basically a peashooter hits for full damage at a range of 3M miles.
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Wheretoboss
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past 2 alliances completely paralysed and unable to play while CCP decide what to do about a bug that was reported 8 months ago is more than a little frustrating, especially with no communication as to when we can hope to get any further information.
I'll go out on a limb and guess that the "reporting of the bug" went something like 'hey guyz our tracking is acting strange in dis myah wormhole', to which the reply was 'it's a Magnetar, works as intended'.
I get that the offending party is trying to cover their asses, but nobody is forcing you to actually believe a half truth that made me think of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x541sggu4x4.
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Jackaryas
Caldari Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:04:00 -
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As dodgy said, we cant actually log in or do anything until CCP give us a 100% clear answer cus it totally dictates what ships we bring and how we fit them. It took us 5 days to get inside that wormhole and now we have been stuck logged off for 3 days while ccp figure out what they want to do. We'd be happy to use the comedy infini turret we just wont to know whether we can or not. In addition the longer it takes CCP to figure this out the more time AHARM have to fortify their system against us, where is the logic in that?
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jackaryas We'd be happy to use the comedy infini turret we just wont to know whether we can or not.
Well since CCP publicly called it an exploit, I'm say the answer is you can't use it.
So just continue with your plan without using it
Pretty sad when people need to use exploits.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past Edited by: Dodgy Past on 19/09/2010 13:19:13 Well actually yes, though obviously you can't comprehend how hard getting people into that wormhole was.
Yet now no one dare fight until there are clear rulings as to what is and what isn't allowed. Invading a C6 isn't some whimsical activity, so do we pull out and waste the weeks of effort getting to stage we're at now or wait it out?
Id say "said people"made out pretty well after 8 months and can say it wasnt a waste.Even if they pull out now.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Dodgy Past Edited by: Dodgy Past on 19/09/2010 13:19:13 Well actually yes, though obviously you can't comprehend how hard getting people into that wormhole was.
Yet now no one dare fight until there are clear rulings as to what is and what isn't allowed. Invading a C6 isn't some whimsical activity, so do we pull out and waste the weeks of effort getting to stage we're at now or wait it out?
Id say "said people"made out pretty well after 8 months and can say it wasnt a waste.Even if they pull out now.
When Dodgy Past talks about how difficult it was to get people into the C6 he was talking about his own forces, which just entered the system these last few days. Since AHARM controls the outgoing wormhole and will collapse if necessary for their safety, you have to find some other way in, which R&Ks did through ingenuity and hard work.
Also there seems to be some misconception that there is a lot of money involved in this deal. Since you can only make use of the bonus in your own system and since that system quickly empties out of stuff to do, there is actually very little economic incentive to make use of the mechanic in question.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:58:00 -
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Doesnt really look like rocket science to me to consider that TD'ing friendlies to give them infinite tracking and optimal is an exploit.
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seany1212
The Scowling Men
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Posted - 2010.09.19 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Dodgy Past Edited by: Dodgy Past on 19/09/2010 13:19:13 Well actually yes, though obviously you can't comprehend how hard getting people into that wormhole was.
Yet now no one dare fight until there are clear rulings as to what is and what isn't allowed. Invading a C6 isn't some whimsical activity, so do we pull out and waste the weeks of effort getting to stage we're at now or wait it out?
Id say "said people"made out pretty well after 8 months and can say it wasnt a waste.Even if they pull out now.
Also there seems to be some misconception that there is a lot of money involved in this deal. Since you can only make use of the bonus in your own system and since that system quickly empties out of stuff to do, there is actually very little economic incentive to make use of the mechanic in question.
Where do you get that from, it affects every wormhole with magnatar effects and seeing how AHARM has a permanent C6 static from there wormhole i would say theres plenty to do if they can be bothered to cycle the wormholes. You guys make squeeky noises when you pop, and that's enough motivation as far as I'm concerned. |
Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.19 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: seany1212
Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Dodgy Past Edited by: Dodgy Past on 19/09/2010 13:19:13 Well actually yes, though obviously you can't comprehend how hard getting people into that wormhole was.
Yet now no one dare fight until there are clear rulings as to what is and what isn't allowed. Invading a C6 isn't some whimsical activity, so do we pull out and waste the weeks of effort getting to stage we're at now or wait it out?
Id say "said people"made out pretty well after 8 months and can say it wasnt a waste.Even if they pull out now.
Also there seems to be some misconception that there is a lot of money involved in this deal. Since you can only make use of the bonus in your own system and since that system quickly empties out of stuff to do, there is actually very little economic incentive to make use of the mechanic in question.
Where do you get that from, it affects every wormhole with magnatar effects and seeing how AHARM has a permanent C6 static from there wormhole i would say theres plenty to do if they can be bothered to cycle the wormholes.
Yeah but the anomaly doesn't effect the connecting wspace system, so it's useless there.
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seany1212
The Scowling Men
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Posted - 2010.09.19 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Originally by: seany1212
Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Also there seems to be some misconception that there is a lot of money involved in this deal. Since you can only make use of the bonus in your own system and since that system quickly empties out of stuff to do, there is actually very little economic incentive to make use of the mechanic in question.
Where do you get that from, it affects every wormhole with magnatar effects and seeing how AHARM has a permanent C6 static from there wormhole i would say theres plenty to do if they can be bothered to cycle the wormholes.
Yeah but the anomaly doesn't effect the connecting wspace system, so it's useless there.
LOLWUT? there is more than just AHARMs c6 with magnatar effects, any c6 with magnatar effects they could then exhaust of sites with the exploit and close once they have finished with it, rinse and repeat over the space of about 8 months and thats a ****load of isk, especially when using cap escalations. Stop trying to damage control and learn reading comprehension to at least level 1 You guys make squeeky noises when you pop, and that's enough motivation as far as I'm concerned. |
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