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Yushi Hayamoto
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Posted - 2010.09.19 18:47:00 -
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how about it? one or two new new eden's? I personally wouldn't mind colonizing it all over again. And it would certainly make lag more bearable.
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A piwate
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Posted - 2010.09.19 18:51:00 -
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And take away one of the main selling point of the game ? Not gonna happen.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 18:51:00 -
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àwould kind of ruin the whole point of EVE. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.19 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Khanaris Asgarth on 19/09/2010 18:54:35
Originally by: A piwate And take away one of the main selling point of the game ? Not gonna happen.
This to be honest. Plus its only a stop gap. In a few years you'd have the same problem.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.19 18:55:00 -
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People keep killing off the Lvl 80 Sansha King, and I never get any 1337 gear!
Can we instance PVE when we get the new Severs!
Also I wanna fly my Pod back to my wreck, so I don't lose my stuff!
If they camp it I will petition them!
-- Alara's Law!
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Axemaster
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yushi Hayamoto how about it? one or two new new eden's? I personally wouldn't mind colonizing it all over again. And it would certainly make lag more bearable.
NOOOOOO!!!! A thousand times NOOOOOO!!!!
WOW is that way
Honestly this is the most fail thing I have read on the forum this week... no this month. Do you hate eve or something?
0/10
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Shwedagon Paya
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia àwould kind of ruin the whole point of EVE.
That's one side of the argument, and perfectly valid... but on the other side of the coin, a lot of new players' biggest concerns about EVE revolve around their inability to catch up to older players or get in on the ground floor.
Say what you will, but EVE is not immune to becoming excessively topheavy as the years pass ù actually it's worse off than most, because in EVE people can continue to gain wealth, power and influence far past the artificial limits imposed by almost all other MMOs.
That being said, no. There should be only one Tranquility cluster. Like skill points, everyone-on-one-server is a fundamental part of EVE now, and changing that could (and likely would) prove disastrous.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:04:00 -
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I'd rather see a space expansion. :)
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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illford baker
ZZ's tax free corp
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:06:00 -
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this has been proposed multiple time, it has been booed off the forums ever time. 1 server is why i like this game.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: illford baker this has been proposed multiple time, it has been booed off the forums ever time. 1 server is why i like this game.
What server do you play on?
I play EVE ***** HTFU!
-- Alara's Law!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya but on the other side of the coin, a lot of new players' biggest concerns about EVE revolve around their inability to catch up to older players or get in on the ground floor.
Fortunately, the other side of the coin is entirely illusory and based on flawed preconceptions and an incomplete understanding of how the game works.
So it's pretty much safe to ignore. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Intigo
Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm People keep killing off the Lvl 80 Sansha King, and I never get any 1337 gear!
Can we instance PVE when we get the new Severs!
Also I wanna fly my Pod back to my wreck, so I don't lose my stuff!
If they camp it I will petition them!
Stop posting. ___________________
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo
Stop posting.
Sure!
-- Alara's Law!
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Intigo
Stop posting.
Sure!
-- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Shwedagon Paya
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shwedagon Paya but on the other side of the coin, a lot of new players' biggest concerns about EVE revolve around their inability to catch up to older players or get in on the ground floor.
Fortunately, the other side of the coin is entirely illusory and based on flawed preconceptions and an incomplete understanding of how the game works.
So it's pretty much safe to ignore.
Did you copy and paste that from a list of bog-standard apologist responses, or what? Brilliant.
Anyway, the point isn't fact, dear. Illusions can and do influence people's behavior, despite being completely immaterial in the grand scheme of things.
Not going to stick around and argue about this, though; consequences would never be the same. I'm popping the top on this bird.
/grabs the yellow-and-black-striped handle and gives a good, hard yank
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:23:00 -
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The only additional servers we need are moar! seeded out in low sec and nullsec. C'mon, entire regions run on a single cpu so when a pos bash fleet forms up it lags everyone out even if they are just a few pilots running some sites or trying to get in some smaller form pew pew 20 jumps away. ZOMG!!! |
Shwedagon Paya
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:24:00 -
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That's actually true, all new servers should be added to the existing cluster to reduce load or some such technical nonsense.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Intigo
Stop posting.
Sure!
Can't we all just get along.
Fakedit: Forget I said that.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Yushi Hayamoto
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:27:00 -
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having one server for everyone but not being able to handle more than 100 people in the same system effectively, kinda defeats that same purpose.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya Anyway, the point isn't fact, dear. Illusions can and do influence people's behavior, despite being completely immaterial in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe so, but it wasting money on building a non-solution to a problem that doesn't actually even exist isà
àwell, let's just call it "foolish". ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Dhaul
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:29:00 -
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Multiple identical servers would be pretty terrible.
The only way I can ever see it working is to have another shard with completely different geography (so to speak). They could still make it feel like a single shard experience if they made some in-game way to do character transfers. Like say some w-space systems had a uncommon or rare type of WH spawn that would take you to the other server. Once entered it would bill you for 500 mil or some other amount that would make cross-server roaming gangs or whatever completely impractical, and your character would be unusable until the next DT when the transfer is made.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shwedagon Paya Anyway, the point isn't fact, dear. Illusions can and do influence people's behavior, despite being completely immaterial in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe so, but it wasting money on building a non-solution to a problem that doesn't actually even exist isà
àwell, let's just call it "foolish".
Do you have an alt called 'Cow Tippia'?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
illford baker
ZZ's tax free corp
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: illford baker on 19/09/2010 19:30:43
Originally by: Yushi Hayamoto having one server for everyone but not being able to handle more than 100 people in the same system effectively, kinda defeats that same purpose.
they are fixing that, look at the new jita hardware (read the sticky). once they implement more of that, fleet battles should go a lot smoother.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's Do you have an alt called 'Cow Tippia'?
No, but now that you mention it, maybe I should get it before someone else doesà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dhaul Multiple identical servers would be pretty terrible.
The only way I can ever see it working is to have another shard with completely different geography (so to speak). They could still make it feel like a single shard experience if they made some in-game way to do character transfers. Like say some w-space systems had a uncommon or rare type of WH spawn that would take you to the other server. Once entered it would bill you for 500 mil or some other amount that would make cross-server roaming gangs or whatever completely impractical, and your character would be unusable until the next DT when the transfer is made.
But at that point, why not just add more systems to the New Eden we already have?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Mag's Do you have an alt called 'Cow Tippia'?
No, but now that you mention it, maybe I should get it before someone else doesà
For some reason every time I see your name, I think of cow tipping.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
k'nah Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:35:00 -
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The single shard is my favorite part of eve. I can't go back to sharded games as the community seems so shallow.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
For some reason every time I see your name, I think of cow tipping.
I just think she be Trippa!
-- Alara's Law!
As an online discussion on EVE ships grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Dominix approaches 1 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Mag's For some reason every time I see your name, I think of cow tipping.
I just think she be Trippa!
It's just because my "normal" char name was taken, but I can't find a character with the same name so it must be someone's accountà
àthieving bastages! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Shwedagon Paya
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Maybe so, but it wasting money on building a non-solution to a problem that doesn't actually even exist isà
àwell, let's just call it "foolish".
Okay, I'm seriously done after this, because I know this line of discussion is a one-way street to Nowheresville. I just want to make my position totally clear.
"I can't catch up" may be an illusion, but the only way to dispel that illusion is for the doubting Thomas to play EVE long enough to discover this fact for himself. Many of these people might make fine additions to the game, if only they could get past that hump. Simply telling them isn't much of a solution, as most MMO players are inclined to accentuate the positive (or outright lie) about their ageing game, and people know this.
Thus, there IS a real problem ù reduced new player influx.
I said that a new server cluster might solve or alleviate that problem by removing the illusion, imaginary though it may be. I then went on to mention that the downsides would be far worse and that this should never happen. Don't know how I can be any more reasonable than that, this is a lulz thread anyway so might as well spew out randumb thoughts.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Neesa Corrinne on 19/09/2010 19:47:50 Because a lot of fanboi's are completely mindless drooling zombies:
There WILL be more than one EVE shard the very minute that it becomes more PROFITABLE to have two shards rather than one.
Within the framework of CCP's current business model for EVE, it is more profitable to have one instance of the game rather than multiple instances. However if the opposite ever becomes true, then you can bet your brain-in-a-jar that there will be more than one instance of the game.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Because a lot of fanboi's are completely mindless drooling zombies:
There WILL be more than one EVE shard the very minute that it becomes more PROFITABLE to have one server rather than two.
Within the framework of CCP's current business model for EVE, it is more profitable to have one instance of the game rather than multiple instances. However if the opposite ever becomes true, then you can bet your brain-in-a-jar that there will be more than one instance of the game.
Of course. But when will it be better to just add another Eve instead of adding on another 1000 solar systems to the one we have? The way the server is built it's really easy to just add more systems without killing the cluster.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Arakash Mond
Amarr Kings In The Back Row
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:56:00 -
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One server to rule them all, One server to find them, One server to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Reykjavik where the Shadows lie.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 19/09/2010 20:05:11
Originally by: Stick Cult Of course. But when will it be better to just add another Eve instead of adding on another 1000 solar systems to the one we have?
When Tranquility starts to lose subscriptions and continues to lose them, most probably. At that juncture, there's a chance that a fresh start (for everyone, new and old) might rejuvenate the game for longer than simply letting everything burn.
In the past, CCP has stated they aren't entirely happy with the SP system, but that they know it can never be changed. A new EVE would allow them to "fix" that, along with other things that, historically, have been unfixable.
Skill point totals aside, when people get "dug in" to an MMO for 5-7 years, they resist change, and this can have negative effects on the game. Inability to change the SP system is just one example. There are any number of potentially positive reasons for a fresh start, but then I'm a person who thrives on change, so I'm probably biased.
Originally by: Arakash Mond One server to rule them all, One server to find them, One server to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Reykjavik where the Shadows lie.
The EVE server cluster is located in London, Shakespeare. And it's a cluster of servers, not one server.
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Arakash Mond
Amarr Kings In The Back Row
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:08:00 -
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Quote: The EVE server cluster is located in London, Shakespeare. And it's a cluster of servers, not one server.
Yeah but Sauron lives in Reykjavik. The next thing your going to tell me is it's 9 servers all beholden to one main server.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 19/09/2010 20:05:11
Originally by: Stick Cult Of course. But when will it be better to just add another Eve instead of adding on another 1000 solar systems to the one we have?
... A new EVE would allow them to "fix" that, along with other things that, historically, have been unfixable. ...
Ok, a new Eve. That ~might~ happen someday, but if it does, it will be in a long time, and with it would come a new server. I was talking about just a new New Eden, nothing changing with the game.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:08:00 -
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The funny part is that my point has already been proven completely valid.
Rather than lose a potential several billion customers what did CCP do? They created a separate server for China.
Check and mate.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne The funny part is that my point has already been proven completely valid.
Rather than lose a potential several billion customers what did CCP do? They created a separate server for China.
Not quite. They licensed the game out to someone who wanted to play in that market, and if they had their wish, it would be brought into TQ. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 19/09/2010 20:16:34
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne The funny part is that my point has already been proven completely valid.
Rather than lose a potential several billion customers what did CCP do? They created a separate server for China.
Check and mate.
Right, their hand was forced, being a for-profit business and all that.
If their hand is forced in the future, for whatever reason, they'll do it again immediately.
What... I'm agreeing with someone on the forum.
Originally by: Tippia Not quite. They licensed the game out to someone who wanted to play in that market, and if they had their wish, it would be brought into TQ.
Doesn't matter how they did it or with whom they cooperated to pull it off. The motivation was money, and if they strongly believe a new EVE cluster will increase profits, they'll do it again.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne The funny part is that my point has already been proven completely valid.
Rather than lose a potential several billion customers what did CCP do? They created a separate server for China.
Not quite. They licensed the game out to someone who wanted to play in that market, and if they had their wish, it would be brought into TQ.
Mindless zombie fanboi doublespeak alert.
Two instances are two instances. If they were really true to a one shard model, then there would be one shard. Period. End of story. If China didn't want to play by the rules, then they would give China the middle finger.
Make a wish in one hand and start piling dollar bills up in the other and see which one fills up first.
Who cares what CCP tells us they "wish". When it came down to their "wishes" and making a few more bucks, they followed their wallets over their ideals.
Therefore, if they did that once they WILL do it again if it ever proves to be more profitable than the current business model.
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Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne The funny part is that my point has already been proven completely valid.
Rather than lose a potential several billion customers what did CCP do? They created a separate server for China.
Not quite. They licensed the game out to someone who wanted to play in that market, and if they had their wish, it would be brought into TQ.
Yeah, all 9000 of them. Wait, I think it recently went OVER 9000 on active subscribers.. ZOMG!!! |
Taladool
Minmatar JIta-Hosting
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shwedagon Paya but on the other side of the coin, a lot of new players' biggest concerns about EVE revolve around their inability to catch up to older players or get in on the ground floor.
Fortunately, the other side of the coin is entirely illusory and based on flawed preconceptions and an incomplete understanding of how the game works.
So it's pretty much safe to ignore.
This pretty much,
There is no need to catch up, and the sooner new players realize this the better off they will be.
TS3 and TS2 servers for rent, order here |
Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne The funny part is that my point has already been proven completely valid.
Rather than lose a potential several billion customers what did CCP do? They created a separate server for China.
Check and mate.
But they were forced, by China's laws, to separate the Chinese and all the other players. They would've much rather just had them on one server. Their motivation to separate the servers wasn't money, it was a legal reason.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult But they were forced, by China's laws, to separate the Chinese and all the other players. They would've much rather just had them on one server. Their motivation to separate the servers wasn't money, it was a legal reason.
They weren't forced, they made a choice. Do you think someone held a gun to their heads and ordered them to deploy a separate Chinese server cluster?
The choice was between a lot of money, and not a lot of money. They chose a lot of money, as they rightly should have.
If a lot of money can be gained by creating a new, primarily English-speaking server cluster in London at some point, then they will do it. That may never happen, though, or it might be considered too risky. Point is, they won't pass up millions of dollars for "principles."
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Opertone
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Opertone on 19/09/2010 20:29:51 How about a WING commander style game with actual EVE ships...
fly around, shoot... I'll link what i mean
WC fun
a game with wolf AF as main combat ship, just for DT relaxation and time pasing
edit and more fun
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Opertone How about a WING commander style game with actual EVE ships...
fly around, shoot... I'll link what i mean
WC fun
INSANITY! Afterburning through asteroids?! 300kps is the max safe speed!
♥ ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Opertone How about a WING commander style game with actual EVE ships...
fly around, shoot... I'll link what i mean
WC fun
INSANITY! Afterburning through asteroids?! 300kps is the max safe speed!
♥
You're no Wing Commander fan! It's 250kps.
Seriously though, played the first Wing Commander in 1990 and every one since. Shame space sims have mostly died out.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 19/09/2010 20:50:04
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph You're no Wing Commander fan! It's 250kps.
According to regulations, yesà but hey, regulations were never that guy's forte. I just pinned it at 300, personally.
Still, 1000kps+ seems a bit excessive. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:50:00 -
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Actually CCP Should buy more server, but not to build a second world. They should add the new servers to the current cluster, as it look's like the current hardware can not really keep the game playable. I know that is more server to manage, however there would be less sol system on one node, so probably the lagg would be better. Or at least when there would be lagg, then it would affect less people.
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illford baker
ZZ's tax free corp
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Posted - 2010.09.19 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Hamster Actually CCP Should buy more server, but not to build a second world. They should add the new servers to the current cluster, as it look's like the current hardware can not really keep the game playable. I know that is more server to manage, however there would be less sol system on one node, so probably the lagg would be better. Or at least when there would be lagg, then it would affect less people.
they are
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2010.09.19 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
They weren't forced, they made a choice. Do you think someone held a gun to their heads and ordered them to deploy a separate Chinese server cluster?
The choice was between a lot of money, and not a lot of money. They chose a lot of money, as they rightly should have.
If a lot of money can be gained by creating a new, primarily English-speaking server cluster in London at some point, then they will do it. That may never happen, though, or it might be considered too risky. Point is, they won't pass up millions of dollars for "principles."
Or you can view it this way - between choosing to allow the chinese players to play their game (legally) and not allowing them to play, they chose to allow them. If you were a chinese who wanted to play the game which of the choices would make you happier?
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CCP Zulu
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Posted - 2010.09.19 21:25:00 -
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Landlubbers!
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2010.09.19 21:38:00 -
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It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Business Classy
Business Class Investments
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Posted - 2010.09.19 22:01:00 -
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As I recall Serenity was something of a mess. Tranqility has evolved along with its player base, as new ships or whatever got introduced there have been players around to be able to use them. If that player base with its accumulated skillset up to that point doesn't exist, there are problems.
For example, imagine what happens when anyone can set up a POS within a few days of a new server starting up, but it takes months for anyone to be able to pilot a Dread to destroy such posses...
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
This, right here, is why I (still) play Eve.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Camios
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.09.19 22:22:00 -
[56]
About "recolonising EVE", I'm sure that this has been thought of already, but there may be some areas of new eden that are nuked periodically and reconnected randomly to the known world (like wormholes). You would have to move in and to move out you stuff.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.09.19 23:18:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Edited by: Neesa Corrinne on 19/09/2010 19:47:50 Because a lot of fanboi's are completely mindless drooling zombies:
There WILL be more than one EVE shard the very minute that it becomes more PROFITABLE to have two shards rather than one.
Within the framework of CCP's current business model for EVE, it is more profitable to have one instance of the game rather than multiple instances. However if the opposite ever becomes true, then you can bet your brain-in-a-jar that there will be more than one instance of the game.
i'm pretty sure the 'more profitable to shard' line was crossed when CCP bought their first ramsan several years ago (which was at least in the hundred-thousand-dollar range). They could have not bought it, split the server in two with a bit of new hardware, and completely sidestepped the lag problem ages ago _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.19 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
then just shut it off. at this point its a waste of money to keep it running unless it has 15X the current peak use total subscriber base.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 00:15:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
This, right here, is why I (still) play Eve.
-Liang
I agree completely. _____ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2010.09.20 01:40:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
then just shut it off. at this point its a waste of money to keep it running unless it has 15X the current peak use total subscriber base.
What? If there are enough subscribers to turn a profit on Serenity, why not keep it on? Besides, CCP doesn't even run Serenity, it's licensed out to a Chinese company.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 03:55:00 -
[61]
God NO! Please OP, go back to Wow or whatever hole you crawled out of! Its quite apparent that you don't 'get' Eve.
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Splastastic
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:15:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Splastastic on 20/09/2010 04:17:57
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
To be more specific: Due to recent changes in business laws in china, china does not allow foreign companies to expand into their country. Instead, companies who wish to expand, has to start a new company with their headquater in china. This, combined with their (insane and I believe also newly regulated) gaming laws, outright forbid CCP to expand Tranquility into China, without starting up a new company and a new server. Of course, CCP still owns anything Eve Online related and it's their IP. Edit: I am sure I'm not 100% correct on this, but it should be more or less the simplified version of the current company/gaming laws in china.
Besides this, I did wonder where this topic was, it's been a while since it's been up. Isn't it around 1-2 month cycle?
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Ruhige Schmerz
Valhalla Naval Corp IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:21:00 -
[63]
More SPACE is what we need, as has already been said. LOTS more. Not just a little, so the existing alliances can setup some more roadblocks at chokepoints, but a ton more. Hundreds or thousands of new systems, of all sec levels.
Enough that a year from now, there will still be systems and constellations available to be explored and claimed.
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:34:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz More SPACE is what we need, as has already been said. LOTS more. Not just a little, so the existing alliances can setup some more roadblocks at chokepoints, but a ton more. Hundreds or thousands of new systems, of all sec levels.
Enough that a year from now, there will still be systems and constellations available to be explored and claimed.
Wrong. Fight for your space. Don't expect it to be 'free for the taking."
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:38:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Princess Jodi Wrong. Fight for your space. Don't expect it to be 'free for the taking."
God Almighty, just look how EVE-cool this person is. May his or her prefabricated "HTFU (p.s., oh man I rule SO hard)" responses continue to enlighten the rest of us.
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Ruhige Schmerz
Valhalla Naval Corp IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:42:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Princess Jodi
Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz More SPACE is what we need, as has already been said. LOTS more. Not just a little, so the existing alliances can setup some more roadblocks at chokepoints, but a ton more. Hundreds or thousands of new systems, of all sec levels.
Enough that a year from now, there will still be systems and constellations available to be explored and claimed.
Wrong. Fight for your space. Don't expect it to be 'free for the taking."
Did I say hundreds or thousands of new systems? Sorry, I meant hundreds OF thousands.
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Astroka
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Posted - 2010.09.20 05:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz
Originally by: Princess Jodi
Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz More SPACE is what we need, as has already been said. LOTS more. Not just a little, so the existing alliances can setup some more roadblocks at chokepoints, but a ton more. Hundreds or thousands of new systems, of all sec levels.
Enough that a year from now, there will still be systems and constellations available to be explored and claimed.
Wrong. Fight for your space. Don't expect it to be 'free for the taking."
Did I say hundreds or thousands of new systems? Sorry, I meant hundreds OF thousands.
This still doesn't change the response. Princess Jodi's point is that alliances should have to fight over available space, not expand out into infinity with little to no conflict because there's just that much space available.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 05:53:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Astroka
This still doesn't change the response. Princess Jodi's point is that alliances should have to fight over available space, not expand out into infinity with little to no conflict because there's just that much space available.
I agree; but I also believe Eve is feeling the pinch of being too populated. I could really go for more space that isn't directly connected to Empire - something like wormholes, but without some of the key deficiencies Wormholes have. Like a "solo" player having anything to do and lack of stations.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Ruhige Schmerz
Valhalla Naval Corp IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.09.20 06:33:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Astroka
Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz
Originally by: Princess Jodi
Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz More SPACE is what we need, as has already been said. LOTS more. Not just a little, so the existing alliances can setup some more roadblocks at chokepoints, but a ton more. Hundreds or thousands of new systems, of all sec levels.
Enough that a year from now, there will still be systems and constellations available to be explored and claimed.
Wrong. Fight for your space. Don't expect it to be 'free for the taking."
Did I say hundreds or thousands of new systems? Sorry, I meant hundreds OF thousands.
This still doesn't change the response. Princess Jodi's point is that alliances should have to fight over available space, not expand out into infinity with little to no conflict because there's just that much space available.
I understand that. My response was tongue in cheek as hers was so respectful and informative that I thought it deserved a response in kind.
Wars etc. should be fought over the value of space, not just over 'space' in order to have some. If carebear corp. wants to move out into a basically 'worthless' area of null, where nobody is likely to bother them because it's so isolated and uninteresting, they should have the option.
PVP still fully non-consentual, but it'll take more than simple overcrowding to bring them into a fight.
I know some disagree, and loudly enough to make it seem as though they are the majority. Truth is, I don't care what they think.
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Mardero
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Posted - 2010.09.20 06:50:00 -
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This thread is now about getting more servers to reduce lag.
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NEKELMU
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Posted - 2010.09.20 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Yushi Hayamoto how about it? one or two new new eden's? I personally wouldn't mind colonizing it all over again. And it would certainly make lag more bearable.
Hey OP do you even know how EVE is set up? There's a sh*t load of "servers" they are virtual. The IT guys over at CCP are f*#king gods. If you knew anything about networking, servers, hardware loads etc. you would sh*t your pants once it all sank in.
So how about you go back to WOW and let the big boys play their game. We understand there are issues but when you look at the overall picture it's amazing it even works. Come back when you have gained some knowledge on how computers and network systems work. After that read up on the Internet and how it works. It's f*#king magic.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar Matari Stormriders
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Posted - 2010.09.20 08:20:00 -
[72]
No!
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Skyla Kavatina
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Posted - 2010.09.20 08:37:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Originally by: Stick Cult
If a lot of money can be gained by creating a new, primarily English-speaking server cluster in London at some point, then they will do it. That may never happen, though, or it might be considered too risky. Point is, they won't pass up millions of dollars for "principles."
Well, you know, that's exactly what they did and they make lots of money from it too.
The cluster is actually in a datacentre in London.
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Ioci
Gallente Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.09.20 10:30:00 -
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Give North America its own EvE. Butterfly, sandbox, whatever. Nobody came to EvE looking for an all in one. They came here because it was a space game. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.20 10:49:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Ioci Nobody came to EvE looking for an all in one.
Incorrect. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.20 11:14:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
This, right here, is why I (still) play Eve.
-Liang
Its part of why I started playing as well.
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Creepy CousinRoger
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Posted - 2010.09.20 11:34:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ioci Nobody came to EvE looking for an all in one.
Incorrect.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari 1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.09.20 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 20/09/2010 14:57:13 If EVE continues to grow at some point they will have to do another server with the code base as it is today.
They are pushing the limits of what their code can do as it is, the biggest limitation is that nodes cannot take advantage of multiple CPU cores. They are going to either have to completely rewrite this so as to remove that roadblock, OR have to shard the game at some point in the future, because CPU's aren't getting faster (3GHz seems to be the limit for now), they are gaining more cores.
If you notice from the Devblogs ALL their lag fix attempts revolve around reducing CPU usage on nodes. This is because they have hit a wall and are trying to squeeze all they can out of a single core. Single cores aren't getting faster is the problem, CPUs are being built with more of them.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:20:00 -
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@OP: You Fail epically at understanding EVE.
I doubt that 3ghz is the limit, it probably is just easier to make more cores onto one DIE instead of more jiggahurtz* into one core.
(*misspelled intentionally)
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ishi ryu
Minmatar Atlantic Solutions
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:55:00 -
[80]
Can't we all just get along.
Fakedit: Forget I said that.
NOOO... really bad for business
and yes it really is in your contact
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.09.20 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yushi Hayamoto how about it? one or two new new eden's? I personally wouldn't mind colonizing it all over again. And it would certainly make lag more bearable.
Yo yushi, how bout' no. It would be a catastrophe considering we players will end up bastardizing the servers in some insane way that im not insane enough to think up.
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 18:06:00 -
[82]
EvE Wars online, royal hub of ascalon city.
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Nedefeg
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Posted - 2010.09.20 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Nedefeg on 20/09/2010 18:31:14 fact is , there are ways to keep it one SHARD and use countless servers
Why dont ya ****in useless turds get it allready that eve`s only strong point is that it`s NOT wow
Take that from eve and you are left with another uninspired clone , and all ya whiners will still leave within 3 months
Fortunatelly CCP seem to know that aswell . So , lets recap
EvE`s strong points
1 univers
uniqe great skilling system
full loot meaningfull free pvp
inability to avoid interaction with other players (no 1 milion systems to hide in for you)
It`s cattering to a whole different skillset then what most games refer to as skill ( twitch button mashing is hardly a skill)
Lack of PvE focus (to keep em whining masses of people who think beating a scriptied boss is some sort of a challange or achievement away)
Steep learning slope
The ability to take "justice" into your own hands ;)) (dont like the ****er? do something about itinstead of whining and petitioning mommy GM or daddy GM)
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Ebodhisatva
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2010.09.20 19:45:00 -
[84]
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
that if we could*
Try using Amdahl's law for once, try to comprehend it, try a dynamic approach without fear, you aren't using it ( and when you are, try using this enough. ) Try using Gustavson, try using Map **** me reduce effective. Try it for god's sake. Forget moore's law, or maybe try it, just ****ing try it. Try Shneiderman's design, And when you achieved that, then I'm sure I am proud of you guys, you did it, you actually _can_ merge those things.
Math magicians failed to program, you mind? Programmers failed to understand Math magicians, try to understand them both, I know you can do this, I do. Try to use Fast cores for slower workers, try to use programmers that like to think this way, teach them, You guys are soo god d a m n ed far in this, do this for the sake of humanity, make a mens, show the human kind how it's done.
Teach your philosophy that when you think of programming and computer, that you mean parallel programming, parallel computing, that it is the standard for CCP, put some blasphemy on the current standard.
I'm a programmer, and I do use you guys as a comparison how things are done today, every day I find some thing to flabbergast my managers and CEO's, just how you guys do things, lean programming, rapid development. But lately, the more I see, the more I see you lose your strengths.
Think, I know you can, you did, Now DO. And yes, a simple negative number can pull things out of context, **** happens, recode, you can do that.
Use it, you can.
I don't bother even to apply a job at your company, being to stubborn, not willing to look where you should look at. You see it, but you don't want to learn.
Just do it, you got the world in your hands. I want, I truly want you to achieve the bridge between those math magicians and stubborn programmers, or stubborn mathematics and magical programmers. Don't tell me it is impossible. You know that it is possible.
Damn you CCP.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:49:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 20/09/2010 20:49:55
Originally by: Ebodhisatva
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
that if we could*
Try using Amdahl's law for once, try to comprehend it, try a dynamic approach without fear, you aren't using it ( and when you are, try using this enough. ) Try using Gustavson, try using Map **** me reduce effective. Try it for god's sake. Forget moore's law, or maybe try it, just ****ing try it. Try Shneiderman's design, And when you achieved that, then I'm sure I am proud of you guys, you did it, you actually _can_ merge those things.
Math magicians failed to program, you mind? Programmers failed to understand Math magicians, try to understand them both, I know you can do this, I do. Try to use Fast cores for slower workers, try to use programmers that like to think this way, teach them, You guys are soo god d a m n ed far in this, do this for the sake of humanity, make a mens, show the human kind how it's done.
Teach your philosophy that when you think of programming and computer, that you mean parallel programming, parallel computing, that it is the standard for CCP, put some blasphemy on the current standard.
I'm a programmer, and I do use you guys as a comparison how things are done today, every day I find some thing to flabbergast my managers and CEO's, just how you guys do things, lean programming, rapid development. But lately, the more I see, the more I see you lose your strengths.
Think, I know you can, you did, Now DO. And yes, a simple negative number can pull things out of context, **** happens, recode, you can do that.
Use it, you can.
I don't bother even to apply a job at your company, being to stubborn, not willing to look where you should look at. You see it, but you don't want to learn.
Just do it, you got the world in your hands. I want, I truly want you to achieve the bridge between those math magicians and stubborn programmers, or stubborn mathematics and magical programmers. Don't tell me it is impossible. You know that it is possible.
Damn you CCP.
Wat?
They can't merge them because of Chinese legislation, not technical restrictions.
... and cut down on the caffeine intake, mkay...
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Ebodhisatva
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Wat?
They can't merge them because of Chinese legislation, not technical restrictions.
... and cut down on the caffeine intake, mkay...
Want to see tranq collapse, try a merge.
No caffeine here m8
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:48:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Ioci Nobody came to EvE looking for an all in one.
protip - you're an idiot, also wrong
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:52:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 20/09/2010 21:52:30
Originally by: Ebodhisatva Damn you CCP
What the **** man? I think you just pulled a Buzz Wordese on us. Do you even know the basic challenges of large scale distributed applications?
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Ruhige Schmerz
Valhalla Naval Corp IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:31:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 20/09/2010 21:52:30
Originally by: Ebodhisatva Damn you CCP
What the **** man? I think you just pulled a Buzz Wordese on us. Do you even know the basic challenges of large scale distributed applications?
-Liang
You need to look closer at the words, step back, and ask yourself which of the following words you used is he likely to understand: large scale distributed applications.
I'm sure your question looks as much to him like word soup as his statements do to everyone else. That or we all just lost the game.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:40:00 -
[90]
Dear new players,
There are 5 levels per skill.
Please look at certificates and train adhering to them fir there is wisdom there.
Missions are what you do to make isk if you have hours to burn playing this game. By the time you are ready to pvp, you should be sitting on over 400 million isk, plenty to keep you in t1 fitted rifters (hint save loot from missions for fitting ships).
You can keep up with the vets the day you can fit a warp scramblers, mwd and some guns on a rifter, kestrel, punisher or whatever gallente pve rs use to fake pvp in
Stop crying into your corn flakes or else we'll petition your double xp speed, implants and loyalty stores, cheap frigates and cruisers and get ccp to pull drakes from the menu.
Oh and disallow rigs and warping to zero.
In short, you are short sighted, ungrateful and borish
Suck it up or ship off null
Yelp!
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:46:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Ebodhisatva totally uncontrolled brain diarrhea
Mate, cut back on the weed.. it kills your brain it seems.
@OP and any other 'we-want-sharded-eve-universe': Go and screw yourself. You won't cure lag that way, you won't cure over/underpopulation of certain areas within new eden and you surely wont 'catch up' with people who are more dedicated than you.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.09.22 10:25:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
This, right here, is why I (still) play Eve.
-Liang
I second that !
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.09.22 10:32:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Creepy CousinRoger
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ioci Nobody came to EvE looking for an all in one.
Incorrect.
One of the reasons I am here is definatly because of the multicultural nature of EVE.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.09.22 10:36:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Ioci Give North America its own EvE. Butterfly, sandbox, whatever. Nobody came to EvE looking for an all in one. They came here because it was a space game.
If you are an american, thanks for your typical redneck reply, this is exactly why a large part of the world despise you, now gtfo our server.
If you are not an american ( which I doubt ), then stop stereotyping Americans, they are good people mostly, and I had alot of fun on the US servers in DAoC with them.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
imo vestuff
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Posted - 2010.09.22 11:01:00 -
[95]
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one NAP.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
fixed.
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:04:00 -
[96]
Originally by: CCP Explorer It simple doesn't match the philosophy of EVE to create another cluster. We have said before, even quite recently, that if we could* then we would even merge Tranquility and Serenity. One universe, one war.
(* we can't given current regulations.)
Interesting post, in the sense thats it's not possible from regulations, is it possible technically speaking?
Like if China were to suddenly not care, would it be possible to server merge?
I see some pos's possibly interfering with others... maybe some character names, but yea, is it possible? _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:12:00 -
[97]
They just need a few more nodes.
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Xessej
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:37:00 -
[98]
I like having one shard but I'd love to see a full reset. Let people retain their character names but otherwise wipe the slate clean. Everyone would start at the very beginning at the same DT. No sov. Nothing player built seeded on the market. no player built stations.
Sure some of the bg alliances would reform and take essentially the same territory but, at least for the first couple of years, they wouldn't be able to drive out any up new neighbors simply by dropping a supercap fleet onto some alliance just getting started.
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Capt Wulfrunian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:40:00 -
[99]
The single-server feature makes Eve unique, it would be so bad if all the connected players couldn't see each other in space
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