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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ore Mongers
BAT PHONE
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Posted - 2010.10.14 18:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Bagehi
Edited by: Bagehi on 14/10/2010 17:12:06
If you guys are so mad about the game, so frustrated with how it doesn't let you do what you want to do (sounds kinda like something a spoiled kid would say), then quit. Eve is better off without you.
That said, I agree with the OP that Black Ops should either have a bigger fuel bay or use less fuel.
Thanks for bringing this back on point as previous posters decided to rabble rabble over nothing in particular...much to my bemusement 
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.15 11:08:00 -
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Apologies for the derail Rule.
Like I said before having flown in black ops fleets quite a bit lately the size of the fuel bay is the only issue I think needs attention.
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Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.10.15 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 15/10/2010 11:45:17
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: TeaDaze
CSM did not request Sansha capitals and argued strongly against a new PVE feature at the summit (requesting that CCP spend more time on fixing various things).
Everything CSM requested from CCP is on the Wiki.
The underlined part proves that CSM is a pile of junk. Anyone I know was pleased and excited about the upcoming incursions. You obviously don't represent the players of Eve anymore. Since Ankhe left this sad bunch, you became totally useless. I hope CCP removes the CSM soon and uses the money for more meaningful things, such as the designing of a second beer ship for Oveur.
I'm sooooo sad that our "carebear queen" was sacked by CCP that i can't stop crying....
But wait... i'm feeling much better now with Incursions... more carebear stuff for me to do... hummm... me wonders what weapons shall i use to kill the Sansha... rockets or hybrids?!... hummm... tough choices... I LOVE THEM BOTH SOO MUCH... AS I DO CCP (big kiss Oveur :* ) 
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ore Mongers
BAT PHONE
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Posted - 2010.10.15 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Darek Castigatus
Apologies for the derail Rule.
Like I said before having flown in black ops fleets quite a bit lately the size of the fuel bay is the only issue I think needs attention.
Which is what I said originally before thread took u-turn into stupid land 
But its all good....hi-res faces and Sansha PVE is the priority. Yeah...yummy....eat it and smile.
Oh rockets too. Forgot that.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.16 10:46:00 -
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I think maybe the reason it isnt getting the attention is because they are still perfectly useable ships with things the way they are, yes having to have a hauler for fuel is annoying and ideally wouldnt be necessary but can be worked around fairly easily (In our black ops fleets we usually have one of the scouts dual box the hauler)
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ore Mongers
BAT PHONE
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Posted - 2010.10.16 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Darek Castigatus
(In our black ops fleets we usually have one of the scouts dual box the hauler)
Is there any other ship in game where this is a requirement?
No.
Carriers/Dreads/Moms/Titans/JF's....sorry...don't see them requiring a fuel hauler.
Such a simple fix to make. The BOBS do not need buffing or improving beyond this to make them properly balanced and in line with other non-gate users.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.10.16 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Darek Castigatus
(In our black ops fleets we usually have one of the scouts dual box the hauler)
Is there any other ship in game where this is a requirement?
No.
Carriers/Dreads/Moms/Titans/JF's....sorry...don't see them requiring a fuel hauler.
Such a simple fix to make. The BOBS do not need buffing or improving beyond this to make them properly balanced and in line with other non-gate users.
Black ops ships are not the same as other jump capable ships, but if you wish to use that line of arguement.
Can any other ship in the game bridge ships/jump into a cynojammed system?
No.
Can any other ship in game with a jump bridge also use gates to get into a staging system
No.
As things stand you have enough range and fuel capacity to bridge a significant number of ships into a system and the ability to use gates to get into a staging system. If you need to bridge more ships you either use a fuel barge, or you use a second black ops. I agree it would be nice to be able to carry more fuel, but since the original complaint the fuel capacity was greatly improved and I see people using them every day.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ore Mongers
BAT PHONE
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Posted - 2010.10.16 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
Look I went to Iceland and am forever fanboi now
Bleah for spinning poorly. Seriously dude.
Oh yes I forget that BOBS can use conventional gates. What an exciting and innovative feature that is.
Your spin and misdirection is disappointing. I expected better...silly me.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.16 23:20:00 -
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He explained, pretty clearly, why black ops are a unique type of ship and why their current profile still allows them to be useful
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.10.17 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: TeaDaze
Look I went to Iceland and am forever fanboi now
Bleah for spinning poorly. Seriously dude.
Oh yes I forget that BOBS can use conventional gates. What an exciting and innovative feature that is.
Your spin and misdirection is disappointing. I expected better...silly me.
Seriously you had to resort to Ad hominem attack? I simply pointed out that your logic was flawed because you were trying to compare ships that have different roles. You trivialise my post, but being able to jump/bridge into a cynojammed system is a huge plus point. Being able to use gates means that unlike a titan you can jump/bridge from highsec or even move around without using the jump drive to get into range.
I'm no CCP fanboi right now, however I'm not going complain that Black Ops are useless in their current form when that is clearly not the case.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Ore Mongers
BAT PHONE
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Posted - 2010.10.17 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 17/10/2010 11:44:19
Originally by: TeaDaze
I'm no CCP fanboi right now, however I'm not going complain that Black Ops are useless in their current form when that is clearly not the case.
Look...I never said the ships are useless. They are useful to a point.
But stating that some key ability of the thing is to jump thru conventional star gates deflects attention from the pre-nerfed state of the ship as relates to having to have a stupid hauler follow the thing about in order to do its job UNLIKE any other cyno capable ship in the game.
And realistically as the things cannot use a COCD jumping about through gates is a rather poor idea simply from a tactical point of view.
Anyway I am fully aware that I am tilting at windmills here. I just find it annoying, shortsighted, and frustrating that a ship designed to reward non-blob mentality and create a "thinking" tactical option is left nerfed while capital blob-online and drake-blob online have taken over the game and even encouraged by CCP's designer's.
Ah well.
**edit**thank crap for wormholes. if they were not in the game I would have unsubbed both of my paid subscriptions quite some time ago
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.05 12:26:00 -
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Add Covert Ops cloak and a buff please.
Thanks
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Memorya
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Posted - 2010.11.07 13:07:00 -
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Any updates on Black ops ?
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente
Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen on 09/11/2010 16:17:49
Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen on 09/11/2010 16:13:50
Thank u RuleoftheBone for getting attention to this subject. I'm running that proposal for 13 months now and u seems to get more attention for it on this way in 3 months than i managed to get in 13 months. Alot of people are just trolling without having experience with this ship. I have edit my first post of the proposal with stuff that really need to be fixed. The Sin really needs more power grid, the rest of the racial changes are optional but i do want to remind CCP that Black Ops are T2 battleships and they should get some advanced racial stuff. In example more drones on sin, more laser dps on redeemer and more falloff on phanter. The current drone bandwith for redeemer and panther is like having missiles slots on the lachesis (hybrid/drone race with missile's as primary damage dealing wtf?) The stuff that really need to be tweeked is the general black op stuff:
Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Changes in general:
-Range increase from max 4,5ly to 6,5ly
-Range formula should get an exception that the Black Op can always jump 1 system jump. Some systems with + 4,5ly (10ly-20ly, A to B with +4,5ly range need to be done manually in the current state)
-Standard fuel bay increase from 1000m3 to 3000m3
-A bonus should be given to the fuel bay amount when a Black Op Jump Portal is fitted, it will add a additional X amount of m3 of fuel bay per black op level, example adds 3000m3 to fuel bay per Black Op level.
-The Black Op Jump Portal should give a 10% reduction in fuel usage of that module per Black Op level. Currently a recon that bridges uses 1500-1600 fuel while only 6666 fits in the fuel bay
Let me hook onto your reply TeaDaze;
-Any ship can cyno onto normal cyno's but Covert Cyno's need cyno l5, a 25day skill, a 300 mil skill in plex terms.
-There is no other ship in game with a jumpbridge that need to risk itself by traveling trough normal gates to be able to use its jumpbrige/cyno; Do u know regional gates? the ones that have +60AU warps and the gates are +4,5 Lightyears away from each other. It is risky to make those jumps unscouted in a 1b isk slow battleship.
-Do u know how much fuel a recon uses to bridge the full 4,5 ly? Compare that to the fuel bay and the amount the black op itself uses. Someone must have been sleeping at CCP when they looked at the fuel bay increase, no common sence used at all. (wts common sence on eve subjects, 500mil per hour ccp and u got yourselve a new wizkid advizor that can solve most probelms by just using common sence & experiance, do u actulay play/pvp in eve?)
Originally by: TeaDaze
Can any other ship in the game bridge ships/jump into a cynojammed system?
No.
Can any other ship in game with a jump bridge also use gates to get into a staging system
No.
As things stand you have enough range and fuel capacity to bridge a significant number of ships into a system and the ability to use gates to get into a staging system. If you need to bridge more ships you either use a fuel barge, or you use a second black ops. I agree it would be nice to be able to carry more fuel, but since the original complaint the fuel capacity was greatly improved and I see people using them every day.
I really hope ccp does something with them in the winter patch. I have friend working for PC Gamer who wanted to do this article about the CSM incompetence for over 2 months now. He wants to use this subject (among others) as example how the CSM - CCP relation is since it can be categorized to a certain level of deception towards players and non players. I might be able to stall him until winter patch, not sure tough.
Fix Black Ops:
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.11.09 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hemmo Paskiainen
I really hope ccp does something with them in the winter patch. I have friend working for PC Gamer who wanted to do this article about the CSM incompetence for over 2 months now. He wants to use this subject (among others) as example how the CSM - CCP relation is since it can be categorized to a certain level of deception towards players and non players. I might be able to stall him until winter patch, not sure tough.
Let me be utterly clear - I'm not saying that black ops ships shouldn't be looked at again, I'm simply stating that they are usable as they are and have had one (minor) buff already. I personally don't believe they should be able to throw multiple T3 and Recon ships around the place without support but I know that is what some people want to do.
The cost of a covert cyno is irrelavant. How many isk worth of training time does it cost to get a titan pilot and titan which is the only other ship in the game that can bridge other ships? 1 month training is trivial even compared to the black ops ship itself. And that cyno 5 char allows you to bridge into a cyno jammed system which is a unique feature that people keep trying to ignore. Whilst on the subject of cost, a black ops BS is now under 500 mil including the portal gen, they are no longer 1+ billion ships.
I am certain (99% sure) that there will be no changes to black ops in the winter expansion. Again CSM would rather they worked on this than some of the stuff CCP actually planned but I digress 
I also fail to see how this shows CSM incompetence. There are 100+ CSM issues that CCP haven't implemented yet and a number that will be released soon. If anything in the last 6 months CSM have had more effect than the previous sessions combined. Attaching success or failure criteria of the whole CSM process to one single issue out of 150 in total is pretty silly. There are other stakeholder departments within CCP who have requested features not yet implemented, have they failed too?
But as you've made the threat - get your friend at PC Gamer to contact Josh Augustine from PC Gamer USA (who was present at the CSM4 summit and wrote a nice article about the process). Josh has my email if he wants to discuss this further. Accusing CSM or CCP of deception is a fairly serious charge and I don't think it stands up to scrutiny.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.11.14 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
And that cyno 5 char allows you to bridge into a cyno jammed system which is a unique feature that people keep trying to ignore.
Umm... How exactly is this a feature? You bridge in a bunch of recons, covert T3s, and bombers to do what exactly? Take down the cyno jammer? That's... not going to happen. Cuz if you could beat the defenders with recons, you could just bullrush it with BSs (which would be cheaper and kill the jammer faster). The whole jammer/cov cyno thing is kinda pointless when the ships you bridge in can't really do anything of consequence. So yes, it is an ignorable feature.
In further commentary on your points about the BO jumping, fuel, and balance... You are forgetting the fact that BOs have an atrociously poor jump range. It is truly terribad. That is drawback that balances out it's "incredible" ability of a subcap able to bridge and use both cynos and gates. Having to have a hauler tag along is just too much. It's yet another anchor around the neck of BOs. They shouldn't have to deal with that, the crap range is bad enough. (Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see Dreads and Carriers need fuel ships too. But then I'd also like to see logistics be difficult again, and I think Jump Freighters were a terrible idea. But that is never gonna happen. So at least make it equal, and remove logistics hell from BOs.)
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.11.19 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
So at least make it equal, and remove logistics hell from BOs.
I'd prefer to go the other way, introducing logistics hell to all ships capable of jumping or bridging.
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