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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:44:00 -
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Don't worry I was just trolling :) The point was a freighter or a moon? Both could be used if one believed CCP wanted to benefit someone. I don't.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.09.30 14:05:00 -
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One moon produces 876K units per year, worth 70b+ isk. On the other hand they could drop 2400 units every day in random 0.0 systems for 365 days worth about 200M isk each.
Which one would raise the biggest stink? Remember that the devs said back in November that they would make small adjustments to the supply if it needed rebalancing, not another huge overhaul.
Messing with moons clearly says "we didn't know what the heck we we're doing the first time." While it may be clear to all of us that they didn't, admitting it is another matter.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.09.30 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T They can always just push all the w-space moons full of minerals
strange thing to see someone so well know here saying something that would get w-space totally overpowered :)
Originally by: Malcanis
They could always let the K-space moons "deplete" down to a fraction of their current production, then add lots more R32/R64 moons in new "U-space" on the other side of W-space, with U-space only being accessible via C5/C6 systems.
Then high end moon minerals would be valuable because it was difficult and dangerous to move them, not just because they were scarce.
</wonderfuldream>
that's an idea :) but you know a big part of c5-6 are empty, so not sure it would be that hard to haul this ;) ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.09.30 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Xylopia on 30/09/2010 15:07:20
Originally by: Claire Voyant Future additional sources besides moons
Beyond Dominion, we are looking towards adding new sources of moon materials so that we will have a dynamic supply which can respond to the changing needs of the marketplace and help resolve the static supply issues we currently see. Some potential routes we have already mentioned previously here and are common suggestions on the forums. We are definitely looking hard at doing something cool here in the future along these lines.
Gah! A sudden moment of piffany hits me!
How about randomly scheduled Kestal with cargo-full of technetium departing from Jita 4-4? Your chance of retrieving the cargo is highly up to our beloved Scotty's mood.
Yes, anyone?
Edit: the amount of technetium in the cargo should be equivalent to 74 Plexes.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.09.30 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Xylopia A sudden moment of piffany hits me!
-1 point for redundancy. Piffanies are always sudden.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En
Originally by: Akita T They can always just push all the w-space moons full of minerals
strange thing to see someone so well know here saying something that would get w-space totally overpowered :)
Not necessarily. If they make the w-space moon mineral distribution complementary to that in k-space (in such a way that overall, most of the higher tier materials have moons proportional to the normal usage ratios - so, all w-space would contain heavy-duty quantities of higher-end moon minerals, but mostly Technetium), then instead of having one or two materials sucking most of the value out of the whole T2 pot, you have many more trying to do the same thing, but from a much larger supply base. If done right, and I emphasize the if strongly, you'd have between 5 and 8 moon minerals considered as "quite valuable" (compared to the rest), but the highest price you'd see for any of them would be in the 10k ISK per unit range, if even that much, and there would be no clear "this one is worth the most always", the most valuable one would keep shifting.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.09.30 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Not necessarily.
Something I have noticed with wormholes and T3 is that quite often because of the nature of it, it seems the people living in wormholes will bring finished products to the market at lower prices than the materials themselves. This is not something we see now with T2, so do you think we would see any similar effects from wormholes if moon goo were introduced to w-space moons?
I was pointed to this thread when I made the discovery from a different point of view, if you are interested.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.30 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 30/09/2010 23:59:07
Quote: I was pointed to this thread when I made the discovery from a different point of view, if you are interested.
That's not exactly news, we've been saying something like this (well, not exactly, but the same general idea) since November 2009
Originally by: Sig Sour Something I have noticed with wormholes and T3 is that quite often because of the nature of it, it seems the people living in wormholes will bring finished products to the market at lower prices than the materials themselves. This is not something we see now with T2, so do you think we would see any similar effects from wormholes if moon goo were introduced to w-space moons?
Well, considering hauling is not exactly cheap opportunity-cost-wise as far as w-space logistics goes, it makes some twisted sense for SOME people that fail to take into account the difficulty of moving materials out of there to sell stuff for slightly below material cost. On the other hand, w-space also has abundant PI resources, and some might consider those as an added bonus and forget to factor them into the equation too, resulting in a perceived lower cost. Not the smartest thing to do, and I doubt it really happens all that often as you seem to imply, but since I don't have any direct experience I'll consider it as a possibility for now.
Back to the question, yeah, it is borderline conceivable that people operating in w-space MIGHT possibly react and sell intermediate or even advanced materials at prices approaching or even slightly below "classic" lowsec reaction profitability thresholds, but again, unlikely to be such a wide-spread occurrence as to become a problem... some trader will almost certainly "take care of it".
This is not fundamentally different from the "I can't invent <item X> for profit" syndrome whenever some market gets temporarily flooded by "datacores I get myself are free, therefore worthless, and so is lab slot time... so I can sell cheaper than other" inventors.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.10.01 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 01/10/2010 02:08:03
Originally by: Akita T That's not exactly news, we've been saying something like this (well, not exactly, but the same general idea) since November 2009
Well how come nobody is doing anything about it!
My initial thought was "Technium is really expensive and the NC seems to have control of it all. I wonder who I would have to set blue and what it would take to choke off the supply of a R64 to make Tech worthless..."
So turns out Tech is the easiest material to choke off, and not just by a little bit. From what I understand the NC may have been attempting to choke it off before the moon goo changes, so when the change came, they knew they had it in the bag.
Originally by: Akita T Well, considering hauling is not exactly cheap opportunity-cost-wise as far as w-space logistics goes, it makes some twisted sense for SOME people that fail to take into account the difficulty of moving materials out of there to sell stuff for slightly below material cost. On the other hand, w-space also has abundant PI resources, and some might consider those as an added bonus and forget to factor them into the equation too, resulting in a perceived lower cost. Not the smartest thing to do, and I doubt it really happens all that often as you seem to imply, but since I don't have any direct experience I'll consider it as a possibility for now.
I am going off limited experience and a lot of intuition here, I am not that fond of the limits on w-space. Wormholes are almost like micro communities, and when a wormhole opens up to empire, they unload what they can. It is much easier to take a bunch of hulls and subsystems to a hub like Rens or Dodixie (depending on where the wormhole opens up) than it is to haul that stuff to Jita. You gotta remember that they are on a limited window.
For the most par I think that any given system will be optimized for its maximum potential. So if it is capable of producing an advanced material or two, it will. It appears to be that there are enough dudes living in w-space that are not using market alts to where you might see market spikes when they bring their loads in.
Anyway, I think w-space moon mining is the best and most simple solution to the Tech balance problem. However I am more in favor of segregating the other materials in the fashion tech is segregated - let there be WAR!
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zz01shagsme
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Posted - 2010.10.01 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: zz01shagsme on 01/10/2010 06:56:16 Do you expect fullerides to increase? For a continuous operation fullerides need to increase by at least 1500k before it becomes worth the initial investment and rebuy of tech which is, off current prices, 1.4bil..for 9m a day profit?
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Back to the question, yeah, it is borderline conceivable that people operating in w-space MIGHT possibly react and sell intermediate or even advanced materials at prices approaching or even slightly below "classic" lowsec reaction profitability thresholds, but again, unlikely to be such a wide-spread occurrence as to become a problem... some trader will almost certainly "take care of it".
I used to believe that, however, if there are sufficient people willing to devalue their time then we see a classic case of Gresham law, bad money driving out good.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: AnakieNine on 01/10/2010 11:32:53 Edited by: AnakieNine on 01/10/2010 11:31:33
Originally by: zz01shagsme Edited by: zz01shagsme on 01/10/2010 06:56:16 Do you expect fullerides to increase? For a continuous operation fullerides need to increase by at least 1500k before it becomes worth the initial investment and rebuy of tech which is, off current prices, 1.4bil..for 9m a day profit?
Unlikely for a week.
We are currently still in a cycle where many of the builders are selling product they made with pre 50k technetium. They will be thinking that the profit made is great and more than happy to sell.
Until enough of the last cycle sells it should hold at around what it is now. Maybe a very slight increase as stocks get sold. Someone has 5-6 batches of 1.5m units of nanotransistors for sale. A largish amount. They are updating all of them at the same time. Not a wise thing to do by anyone really wanting to sell product.. Hence the market will be largely dependence on those until the old stock is gone.
Watch stocks slowly reduce over 1-2 weeks. It might be quicker but unlikely.
A very slight drop in price while the above builders 0.01 each other is not unexpected initially either. As long as the total volume in sell orders continues to decrease. This will in fact open up more opportunity as the price increase afterwards will be sharper and more pronounced.
One of the best signs is the steady price of technetium. There has been great resistance by sellers who don't seem to want to drop even 1k in the technetium price. Even during the 0.01er games that lasted 3 days. Stocks in the active sell area are slowly decreasing. A surprise when the current daily sell volume is slightly lower than normal. A result of the under performing fullerides/nanos price causing a short term reduction in demand.
In itself it is surprising that the current demand for tech is so high with a low fullerides/nanos price. It basically looks like enough people are starting to factor in their own "steady" tech price increase into their future costing and expected final end product sale price. That really is a great sign and prediction of strong prices 2-4 weeks into the future by players themselves.
Also fullerides will go up before nanotransistors.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Back to the question, yeah, it is borderline conceivable that people operating in w-space MIGHT possibly react and sell intermediate or even advanced materials at prices approaching or even slightly below "classic" lowsec reaction profitability thresholds, but again, unlikely to be such a wide-spread occurrence as to become a problem... some trader will almost certainly "take care of it".
i know from experience than using a class 1 or 2 to do reaction (and sometimes only for that, as i know some corp who moved their low sec pos to w-space, as it's less risk of being attacked) is not something rare. however, as hauling is dangerous, i don't think much people do reaction with high cost like technium will need. ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En
Originally by: Akita T They can always just push all the w-space moons full of minerals
strange thing to see someone so well know here saying something that would get w-space totally overpowered :)
Originally by: Malcanis
They could always let the K-space moons "deplete" down to a fraction of their current production, then add lots more R32/R64 moons in new "U-space" on the other side of W-space, with U-space only being accessible via C5/C6 systems.
Then high end moon minerals would be valuable because it was difficult and dangerous to move them, not just because they were scarce.
</wonderfuldream>
that's an idea :) but you know a big part of c5-6 are empty, so not sure it would be that hard to haul this ;)
They wouldn't be for long if you could access brand new space through them... and also, IIRC, C5-6 systems dont have K-space wormholes, so you'd have a minimum of 2 W-space systems to traverse U -> C5-6 -> C1-4 -> K
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zz01shagsme
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Posted - 2010.10.01 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: AnakieNine Edited by: AnakieNine on 01/10/2010 11:32:53 Edited by: AnakieNine on 01/10/2010 11:31:33
Originally by: zz01shagsme Edited by: zz01shagsme on 01/10/2010 06:56:16 Do you expect fullerides to increase? For a continuous operation fullerides need to increase by at least 1500k before it becomes worth the initial investment and rebuy of tech which is, off current prices, 1.4bil..for 9m a day profit?
Unlikely for a week.
We are currently still in a cycle where many of the builders are selling product they made with pre 50k technetium. They will be thinking that the profit made is great and more than happy to sell.
Until enough of the last cycle sells it should hold at around what it is now. Maybe a very slight increase as stocks get sold. Someone has 5-6 batches of 1.5m units of nanotransistors for sale. A largish amount. They are updating all of them at the same time. Not a wise thing to do by anyone really wanting to sell product.. Hence the market will be largely dependence on those until the old stock is gone.
Watch stocks slowly reduce over 1-2 weeks. It might be quicker but unlikely.
A very slight drop in price while the above builders 0.01 each other is not unexpected initially either. As long as the total volume in sell orders continues to decrease. This will in fact open up more opportunity as the price increase afterwards will be sharper and more pronounced.
One of the best signs is the steady price of technetium. There has been great resistance by sellers who don't seem to want to drop even 1k in the technetium price. Even during the 0.01er games that lasted 3 days. Stocks in the active sell area are slowly decreasing. A surprise when the current daily sell volume is slightly lower than normal. A result of the under performing fullerides/nanos price causing a short term reduction in demand.
In itself it is surprising that the current demand for tech is so high with a low fullerides/nanos price. It basically looks like enough people are starting to factor in their own "steady" tech price increase into their future costing and expected final end product sale price. That really is a great sign and prediction of strong prices 2-4 weeks into the future by players themselves.
Also fullerides will go up before nanotransistors.
rgr - was expecting it to come through already tbh - i did the right thing and bought before the 70-ish k spike but for me to carry on building it needs to come up by at least 2k in jita tbh after factoring in new price of tech and increasing pos fuel etc...
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 01/10/2010 17:08:44
Originally by: Malcanis
C4-6 systems dont have K-space wormholes, so you'd have a minimum of 2 W-space systems to traverse U -> C4-6 -> C1-3 -> K
fixed. if you want to deny what i said, at least make sure to make no mistakes :)
having to traverse 2 w-space system is peace of cake, way easier than doing the same on 2 0.0 systems. w-sapce is way safer than 0.0, there is very few ambush because of the no-local. so if you go in only 1 trip there's very few risk that someone know you were here. (of course scout is still needed ^^) and to go to your 0.0 moon you'll need more than 2 jumps. on a system like this the danger would be more when leaving the u-space than after. so as i said ; need something a bit harder to be a good idea ;) ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:46:00 -
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so guys ? seems you were wrong, there is no change on the trend of the market, still dropping. ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Business Classy
Business Class Investments
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En so guys ? seems you were wrong, there is no change on the trend of the market, still dropping.
I for one hedged my bets and sold off 500k units, killing most of the 70k region buy orders, those of them that are margin traders put that straight back up for sale... sorry. As VV said, an actual gain over a potential gain and all that.
my target is met, so I'll take that for this month's sales and see what next month brings when it gets here vOv
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volhar
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:00:00 -
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Gotta love it when a small order brings everything down 4K If I was liquid I'b buy some more
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 03/10/2010 01:33:44
Originally by: Raid'En so guys ? seems you were wrong, there is no change on the trend of the market, still dropping.
There are no short-term guarantees in a volatile market. Momentary trends could continue, stall or reverse at any time due to countless possible factors. Technetium could drop slowly down to 60k only to later spike fast towards 80k, or it could stabilize to 65k or even 60k and slowly climb back to 70k later, or it could short-term spike back to 75k only to slowly drop to 60k for a while, or, or, or.
The only certainly is that eventually (be it one month, 3 months or even 9 months), if CCP doesn't radically alter something about T2 components or moon mineral production, Technetium would go up... meanwhile, it will be heavily oscillating on a main "going upwards" base trend. The big uncertainty is when or whether CCP will do anything about it.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.10.03 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: AnakieNine on 03/10/2010 02:13:36 Edited by: AnakieNine on 03/10/2010 02:11:11
Originally by: Raid'En so guys ? seems you were wrong, there is no change on the trend of the market, still dropping.
Actually no. You need to look at the whole picture. Yeah technetium dropped thanks to almost a whole days worth of Jita volume sold to buy orders. Do that to any stock in one shot and it will will always drop a few percent. I would normally say yes however have you checked Nanotransistors/fullerides today. There strong sales result and lack of new product replacing them is a stronger sign.
From yesterday Nanos are Up 100 isk and there is only 1/2 the stock we had yesterday on sale as well. I guess its no longer going to take 1-2 weeks to get sold as I said in my last post. Those 6 blocking orders of 1.5 million units which where the biggest problem are now down to only 2 blocks.
Fullerides are up 150 isk (a nice rise, the best and it was mentioned to watch fullerides in the last post). Stocks in sell orders of fullerides are also approximately 1/2 of yesterdays units as well. A great sign as well.
Tech is also once again profitable to build from at 80k a unit. So lets see how long it price will stay at a 70k sell price. Watch out if the remain nanos and fulleride stocks disappear.
So all in all no negative signs for tech. Just a low tech price itself and a likely time for reactors/builders to buy back in. Previously I expected 1-2 weeks for nanos/fullerides stocks to disappear. Signs look much better now and stocks at half. A check of invention prices of a sample of ships that use technetium in them shows that they are becoming profitable again using the current microprocessor prices. It takes a while to pull the price of end product up when tech effects so many of them. Your effectively dragging the whole market up by having tech rise. The enormity of it can slow things down and a part reason reason i called a sudden hold before it got to its last peak. If we get another large jump this wont be as much of a problem as more ship builders etc are aware and will react a little quicker this time. All this going against a long term of deflation which causes people to drag their feet. Its part of the reason I have been discussing tech in so much detail. It's the most interesting thing in the eve market atm both in math, general conclusions and in the effects it has on peoples opinion which change market places. The whole model is where the fun is. Oh yes i have stocks in it too. Quite a lot at 1.5k a unit.
So with Tech being the best buy in the whole chain atm, an interesting change from it being the worst for the last couple of weeks, Lets see how the price is at the end of the week. It is definitely up. Edit just read Akita T Post. Exactly however I have been deliberately going out on a limb with tech and trying to give an exact answer and direction. Its a nice change from people that dont. Also no market analyst should ever give precise answers like I am trying to give. It takes a lot to predict a markets every move.
Hopefully people learn a little. It takes a complete model and a lot goes into estimating every step for it to even be half successful. I'm deliberately keeping it simple by keeping as much math out of the posts as I can. To many players don't like it :)
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Business Classy
Business Class Investments
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Posted - 2010.10.03 10:56:00 -
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If you guys don't mind the off-topicness too much, would anyone care to comment on what took the bottom out of the Neod market? I don't see any particular reason for the sudden drop
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.10.03 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: AnakieNine on 03/10/2010 14:26:03 Edited by: AnakieNine on 03/10/2010 14:21:49 When Platinum dives so does neodymium. If it isn't so obvious by the graphs, unrefined neo-mercurite always seems to be about 1/3 to 1/2 above the normal neo-mercurite reaction cost and final sale price of neo-mercurite. It acts as a price cap even though I doubt anyone is using it.
Right now it cost 14687isk a unit to make a unit of neo-mercurite from the unrefined Neo Mercurite reaction. Therefore it couldn't support the higher price of 15k a unit without creating extra supply. The unrefined reaction would kick in and players with neodymium don't want that and get worried. They expect a price drop as they should and hence it happens.
When platinum goes back up so should neodymium. In the past when I manipulated platinum I always saw nice gains in neodymium.
The price drop was a bit quick so I tend not to think it was excess long term supply. But I could be wrong. :)
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Xylopia
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:54:00 -
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@ AnakieNine
Welcome on board, sir. I really enjoy reading your posts these days.
Good to see some thoughtful minds around, and hope you stay longer.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.10.04 06:59:00 -
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heh. I was the one that purchased most of the neodymium for a month before the patch. I initially speculated that it would be a coin toss between tech and neod being the largest bottleneck.
All signs pointed to platinum being in short supply. Post patch analyst showed a nice boost to platinum usage. At the time all other MD-ers believed the same. The final conclusion was that platinum would support a price of 5k before alliances felt it worth while to mine moons more than 1 jump radius out from high sec.
Two things changed that might have made a big difference. 1) Fuel required for jump drives dropped in half. (Cheaper to move things back to empire.) 2) Relative peace. (More time to move things back to empire) 3) Time.. (As always more time to build up stocks. Anything that isn't a bottleneck tends to drop in price over time as the materials builds up.) Players increasing their build stock is a from of demand and shows up more on a new item or when a item requirement changes.
I to have a nice chuck of neodymium left. Just over 4 million units in case war finally comes and the platinum price rises as supply gets restricted.
That last drop in neod price was way to quick as well. I guess the sell order containing 900k units has had a lot to do with it. When I have looked it appears to only get updated once a day.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.10.04 07:29:00 -
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Oh crap. :) I hate when things change and you don't revisit your old assumption. Its a guaranteed way to lose profits. This is why you use graphs to point you in a direction of why.
Can anyone see the new flaw?
I wish to advise a few friends that could be effected on different items just in case its valid. I'll post it here soon.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.04 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: AnakieNine Can anyone see the new flaw?
Wild guess : Technetium price spike finally starting to push down more noticeably on prices of all other moon minerals ? _
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.10.04 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: AnakieNine Can anyone see the new flaw?
More specifically, I would think the rising price of Fullerides hurts Neo.
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.10.04 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: AnakieNine on 04/10/2010 23:45:43 Opps. I should have been precise. Not tech. I meant from the post above about neodymium and more specifically platinum which is at least price capping neodymium.
Something in that post doesn't hold as true anymore and it may have broken my model. One assumption is very questionable to me now. I know it has changed the dynamics of the system. Just not confident in how much. We can discuss that latter.
Originally by: Akita T Wild guess : Technetium price spike finally starting to push down more noticeably on prices of all other moon minerals ?
That is a good thing imo as do you. :) We all expected that. I felt it would have got to 8k much quicker (3 months) and have noted the extra time for future simular changes. Not that you can profit directly from it. If I remember right you posted that it had to drop I think to 10 or was it 15k? in a short time after the patch. Your short term prediction was closer to mine I know that. I expected a lower and quicker result.
As time passes the stocks from the old valuable moons had to keep increasing until the price dropped to a point where people become inefficient with the resource and the decrease in price of end items raised the usage (demand). The combination of a lower/higher production efficency (Supply) with more/less use of end items (demand) always has to change until both match. (market equilibrium).
Even at 8-10k I don't think there would be to many extra moons now not being utilized that where being used before. So has demand for end items gone up enough to match? If not the price continues down.
Originally by: Claire Voyant Edited by: Claire Voyant on 04/10/2010 14:49:31
Originally by: AnakieNine Can anyone see the new flaw?
More specifically, I would think the rising price of Fullerides hurts Neo.
Edit: Actually, while rising tech hurts all moon mats, it hurts Platinum, Neo, and Mercury the most.
This comment is surprising interesting. :) Maybe we have arrived at the same conclusion by seeing different things. Your right, when things go up those items that have the most elasticity will give a little in order to help keep the price basket the same. Most of the moon goo don't have much room to play with. Neod would. Even at a lower price than it was all the moons that where being used still will be. Perhaps another reason for the shorter term drop? Just not the one I was thinking about. This is also what akita T said tech is doing to the other moon minerals. (short term effect the most.) If it those items below market equilibrium then those items will move back up in the coming days/weeks/months. This is a good time to watch them and make conclusions. The new question mark I have specifically/directly effects (if right) moon minerals in the 2-5?k price range. Others wont have much effect. That probably is only platinum and mercury. :) Strangely mercury doesn't show much signs at a glance while platinum probably has some.
Anyone want to do a TA report on mercury. VV? It's a interesting graph.
Excuse if any of this post seems a bit down putting. I'm just having some fun to see if people are learning anything and thinking outside the box. I'm also tring to keep as many people following the conversation and dont want to spell it out to much. I probably have :P
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.10.05 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: AnakieNine on 05/10/2010 03:52:05 No other guesses? Please someone. Don't be scared.
Also a really nice 700k technetium block has gone up on sell orders 4 hours ago. At that size it has to be an old speculator or NC itself? A blocking order? Prehaps. Either way it looks likely to make tech cheaper sometime in the future.
Normally at this stage I would change market direction of which i have been out of for a while and sell a bunch to the microprocessor market, then the nano market, and follow up with the fulleride market. lastly sell some but make sure I crash the technetium price using as little stock as i had to. It wouldn't be hard since I already created a drop in nanos/fullerides/microprocessor market. So basically use that 700k unit and other stock against them. Make it look like a crash. End result is one of two things. you get a bunch of stock of the market (Not mine) from people that are either every smart or very dumb. Which one they are I am not sure yet. Either way they are very dangerous. Do it right and I would get to buy it all up with the extra isk from taking the cream off the microprocess, nanos/fulleride markets.
However that is going more into manipulation and I don't want to go much into that topic as everyone has their own methods and techniques. I would also like to keep mine.
Unfortanately doing this is against what I have been posting for the tech price so I will restrain myself from my normal market shark behaviour and let the market sort it out by itself. What happens depends on the person behind the order and their goals.
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