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Helicon1
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Posted - 2010.09.25 11:55:00 -
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n/t
Ok, I suppose I should write something here. Whilst CCP is tweaking the numbers on rockets for Sisi testing would it be too much to ask that they make some corresponding adjustments to HAMs? HAMs are somewhat overlooked compared to rockets because of fewer hulls using them - only the Sacrilege is a dedicated HAM platform - but they have problems of their own nonetheless. Like rockets, they give up a great deal of range (compared to heavy missiles) to gain a modest EFT-DPS increase, and then in practise have trouble effectively applying that EFT-DPS to their target. More than that, the grid requirements of HAMs make them unattractive options compared to heavies.
The fact that Sacrileges often fit unbonused heavy missile launchers rather than HAMs (although it seems nobody flies Sacs these days anyway) and that HAM Caracals and Cerberus' (and to some extent HAM Drakes) are mythical creatures never witnessed by man is surely a sign that something is wrong here?
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count sporkula
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Posted - 2010.09.25 13:10:00 -
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could you possibly throw some numbers out there, because i don't see a problem with them. i have a ham fitted Cerberus and Legion i use (mostly the legion nowadays). I haven't really had a problem with them.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:08:00 -
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The "I don't understand missiles, hurr durr" door is that way --->
Please exit now.
Quote: Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children
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VC General
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: VC General on 25/09/2010 14:45:38 What he's trying to say is that the dps on HAM's was nerfed awhile back against smaller than BS-sized targets. The problem is that there's not much of a role for the few HAM boats out there if their weapons are designed to damage BS+ targets, since exchanging fire with BS isn't something HAC gangs usually do unless they are just ganking ratters or blobbing smaller fleets. So while it may look good in EFT, ships like the Sacrilege take about a 50% damage hit against same sized targets unless they use TP's. It's basically like they're shooting little short range cruise missiles.
The range I have no issue with. They work well on the Cerb with it's range bonus, and the Sacrilege is mobile enough to get close enough to use them.
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count sporkula
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:23:00 -
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when going for smaller than BS i use javlins + target painter. never had a problem with it myself
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:08:00 -
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"Your doing it wrong"
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis "Your doing it wrong"
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2010.09.25 23:46:00 -
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Yes, we really need 650 DPS, 90k EHP Drakes.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.09.25 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: El Liptonez Yes, we really need 650 DPS, 90k EHP Drakes.
850 dps with overload. ;)
on that note .... undoing the range nerf for javelin ham/torps/rockets would be nice.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/09/2010 07:22:08 The range on javs was ridiculous (iirc depending a bit on if it were rockets, hams or torps). When i get 40km range on my blasters with null you may have your old range back for javs.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.09.26 10:02:00 -
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This is a stupid thread. There's nothing the damn matter with HAMs.
HAM Sacrilege - problem is Sacrilege HAM Caracal/Cerb - problem is PG HAM Drake - problem is ???
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I'm Down
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Posted - 2010.09.26 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: I''m Down on 26/09/2010 12:20:54
Originally by: Gypsio III This is a stupid thread. There's nothing the damn matter with HAMs.
HAM Sacrilege - problem is Sacrilege HAM Caracal/Cerb - problem is PG HAM Drake - problem is ???
HAM Sacriledge - problem is the people who have no fing clue how to fly close range ships.
HAMs are some awesome **** if you use them right. Missile users just aren't accustom to that style of fighting I think.
Javs could use about a 10km boost in range. Right now, they really do suffer from their slow travel time. The drift effect usually makes what is 30km range really only about 25km range.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.09.26 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer The range on javs was ridiculous (iirc depending a bit on if it were rockets, hams or torps). When i get 40km range on my blasters with null you may have your old range back for javs.
I usually just bring javs to annoy people who try to kite me in warp disruptor range. but in general that ammo is nerfed too hard compared to barrage and scorch.
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VC General
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: El Liptonez Yes, we really need 650 DPS, 90k EHP Drakes.
What's that got to do with the topic? You can already do exactly what you describe, although the effective range of HAM's makes it a failfit for anything but a gank. The OP isn't complaining about the range, he's complaining about the fact that a cruiser-sized weapon isn't designed to hit cruisers. |
El Liptonez
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Posted - 2010.09.26 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: VC General
Originally by: El Liptonez Yes, we really need 650 DPS, 90k EHP Drakes.
What's that got to do with the topic? You can already do exactly what you describe, although the effective range of HAM's makes it a failfit for anything but a gank. The OP isn't complaining about the range, he's complaining about the fact that a cruiser-sized weapon isn't designed to hit cruisers.
I'm pretty sure HAMs do good damage to cruisers. If you're too dumb to fit a scram and probably even a web, that's not the weapon system's fault.
Just because you're too scared to miss a killmail or two because you can't fit a disruptor, or you're so afraid to lose your ship that you have to fit an extra shield extender/invul, doesn't mean the weapon system is broken.
At least your terribly broken HAMs do some sort of damage to frigates too. I demand a 200% tracking increase for projectiles, because I can't shoot an orbiting frig.
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ImmaSplodeYou
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Posted - 2010.09.26 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: ImmaSplodeYou on 26/09/2010 20:38:14 I would support a Javelin range boost and maybe a 5% PG use reduction but other than that I think they're fine personally, you can get some brilliant paper DPS which can be made a reality with javs and TPs. Just look at HAM Legions, only way to fit a Legion
Not supporting
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