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Lim Javax
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:28:00 -
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Hey guys, been playing this game for a few weeks now, and I think I've finally gotten the hang of some of the basics. (Yay!)
Anyways, I've been looking into planning my first big(ish) goal. My question is this: would it be better to go for a small T2 ship, like an assault frigate, or a bigger T1 ship, like a Drake?
If it influences anything, my main goals and desires are PvE related, such as missioning and ratting. I may or may not have more of a PvP focus later, but for now any PvP I do will be more defensive in nature, as I am a part of a Corp that might want people to guard miners or something like that.
Thanks.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:35:00 -
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PvE? Bigger T1. PvE is all about DPS, really, as much as you can get while still being survivable.
Kestrel -> Caracal -> Drake -> Raven -> CNR/Golem, etc.
Almost all Assault Frigates are pants, by the way.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:59:00 -
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Quote:
Almost all Assault Frigates are pants, by the way.
You're bad and you should feel bad.
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2010.09.25 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Almost all Assault Frigates are pants, by the way.
I heard talk of assault frigates being given an afterburner bonus a year ago. Did this ever pan out or did it get dropped? AFs don't seem all that special to me.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 22:17:00 -
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They aren't. With perhaps one or two exceptions, they're outclassed by other ship categories in any given role.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.09.25 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasari
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Almost all Assault Frigates are pants, by the way.
I heard talk of assault frigates being given an afterburner bonus a year ago. Did this ever pan out or did it get dropped? AFs don't seem all that special to me.
They were given an AB bonus on the test server to see if it make them more of a viable ship class... sadly, it was quickly discovered that certain AF's could squeeze on a cruiser sized AB so they could go at close to frigate MWD speeds without the sig penalty. Sure, you would turn like a barn... but who needs agility when you are at range and the drones are doing all the DPS (looking at you Ishkur... much <3 4u!!). _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.26 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Idicious Lightbane on 26/09/2010 01:17:14 For PvE I would go for a Drake at the moment, t2 ships are generally very specialized ships, most for very specific PvP roles (the Marauder is an exception with mostly a PvE goal in mind) The drake is an amazing ship for pve as well as great for pvp and will open even lvl4 missions to you, however lvl4's would be alot faster in a Raven but still possible in a drake.
On the whole if you want to pvp I would sudgest after you gain the ability to run lvl4 missions relatively fast to start training up minmatar or amarr ships since they have alot more ships that are suited for pvp outside of electronic warfare (Caldari do excel in e-war so if that is your thing stick with it and the drake is still a great BC for pvp, they just have less ships than other races that are suited for pvp)
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.26 01:22:00 -
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PVE in a drake, PVP in a Caracal. Both are cheap and effecive at what they do.
You can go a lot of diffirent ways from there, but by in large avoid caldari t2 ships for a while. Most have a small niche, and all t2 ships cost a lot in comparison to t1 alternatives.
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Conrad Makbure
Gallente Raptor Navy
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Posted - 2010.09.27 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lim Javax Hey guys, been playing this game for a few weeks now, and I think I've finally gotten the hang of some of the basics. (Yay!)
Anyways, I've been looking into planning my first big(ish) goal. My question is this: would it be better to go for a small T2 ship, like an assault frigate, or a bigger T1 ship, like a Drake?
If it influences anything, my main goals and desires are PvE related, such as missioning and ratting. I may or may not have more of a PvP focus later, but for now any PvP I do will be more defensive in nature, as I am a part of a Corp that might want people to guard miners or something like that.
Thanks.
Hey, IÆm new to this too, a few weeks into EVE and I made (in my opinion) the mistake of trying to skip ships to quickly get into a T2 ship and IÆd go back and change it if I could.
To me it seems the ætraditionalÆ path is Frigate > Destroyer > Cruiser > Battle Cruiser > Battleship, all T1 and then pick a path after that. Bottom line is that you want to be trained for a T1 battleship at the least. All of those skills are core skills for the cool T2 ships that youÆll want to learn or need to learn anyway.
-Makbure RPTNA Avenger Raptor Navy |
Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.27 08:53:00 -
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Go for a Drake. You won't regret it.
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Temo Jick
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Conrad Makbure
To me it seems the ætraditionalÆ path is Frigate > Destroyer > Cruiser > Battle Cruiser > Battleship
Almost right young'un, but back in the day me and your grandmother, we wouldnÆt even ha known what one of dem Destroyers or Battle Cruisers was. No back then we had one kind of ship, and we had to chisel that from a log ourselves before we could fly it. The Space Canoe we called it. It had two speeds both of those was when it werenÆt moving.
Then a little latter old Reg, well he had this idea for three kinds of ships right. Always was a thinker old Reg. After that we had da frigate, da cruiser, and if you was right posh you maybe had da battleship. So I guess you could say young'un that the traditional path was Frigate > Cruiser > Battleship.
To error is human but to totaly fail to exterminate the enemy takes a drone. |
Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.27 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Go for a Drake. You won't regret it.
I like me. 101st Space Marine Force Senior Recruiter |
Jenny Hawk
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.27 15:48:00 -
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Go for the bigger t1. Not saying missioning in Jaguars can't be fun though
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Hawk Go for the bigger t1. Not saying missioning in Jaguars can't be fun though
or retibutions ... good for most level 3 and some level 4's //// just can take a bit long - but fun, and you know you have a tank that's working --
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.27 21:25:00 -
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Aim for a battlecruiser, and you really can't go wrong.
All of the races have pretty good BC. They can handle both PvP and PvE too.
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Dr Grot
Gallente Swirly Inertia LLC The Doom Waffle Mafia
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Posted - 2010.09.28 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Grot on 28/09/2010 11:41:50 When I started this character I trained to fit a decent BC for running lvl 3-4 missions first, this generates a decent income for you as well as enabling you to get npc corp/faction standings quickly also.
I then returned to train Interceptor and Assault Frigates. The skills needed to pilot T2 frigates just happen to be useful 'core' skills, which benefit all ships. You can 'kill two birds with one stone' so to speak.
Interceptors - needs Evasive Manoeuvring V Assault Ships - needs Mechanic V, Engineering V
These skills are very useful to all ship classes.
You may want to train all the way up to a battle ship once you have enough standings to open lvl 4 agents and enough ISK to buy and fit one. You can run lvl 4s in a BC but they can take ages. You can do lvl 4s in a low skilled BS, just make your tanking skills a priority.
I'd agree also, Battle Cruisers are probably the best ships for PvP early on in your career, they do good DPS and tank well without the need for an enormous investment of ISK and skill points.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.09.29 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph PvE? Bigger T1. PvE is all about DPS, really, as much as you can get while still being survivable.
Kestrel -> Caracal -> Drake -> Raven -> CNR/Golem, etc.
Almost all Assault Frigates are pants, by the way.
My ishkur wants to have a word with you!
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.30 09:54:00 -
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Well some of the AF's are quite good, but it's rather skill specific and rare. Ishkur is a good example of a good AF that can cause a lot of grief. Jag/wolf also.
From my experience, there is no better lvl1>lvl4 grinding ship than the ishkur. You can blitz though those missions fast and almost every mission accepts it.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
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Spoliamus
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Posted - 2010.09.30 18:38:00 -
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To the OP
Yes T2 frigs are pretty good but..
As a low SP character you will not have the fitting, tanking or weapon skills available to use them effectively PvP or PvE. Especially when you consider the price 2 to 3 times a T1 cruiser.
Skip the dessie. Bigger is not better when compared to frigs. As a low SP character with no idea how to fit ships I lost quite a couple destroyers in L1 missions before I found that frigs were superior. Couldn't really afford to loose them either.
I recommend frig(L1 missions) cruiser (L2 missions) BC(L3 missions) all T1. Realistically get to L3 missions (if you want to PvE that is) and fit in fitting tanking damage skills as you go. You really need to have your core skills trained before you get into L4 missions. An uninsured battleship loss is a big wedge of isk to loose as an early player.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2010.09.30 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Spoliamus
Skip the dessie. Bigger is not better when compared to frigs. As a low SP character with no idea how to fit ships I lost quite a couple destroyers in L1 missions before I found that frigs were superior. Couldn't really afford to loose them either.
I recommend frig(L1 missions) cruiser (L2 missions) BC(L3 missions) all T1.
True enough that bigger is not always better, but I found the Thrasher to be a rather effective boat from L1s to all but the very toughest L2s. Can't speak for other races' dessies. I did maybe 3 L2 missions and struggled through a couple of L3s in a Cruiser before I upgraded to BC for the more forgiving fitting provision.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Conrad Makbure To me it seems the ætraditionalÆ path is Frigate > Destroyer > Cruiser > Battle Cruiser > Battleship, all T1 and then pick a path after that. Bottom line is that you want to be trained for a T1 battleship at the least. All of those skills are core skills for the cool T2 ships that youÆll want to learn or need to learn anyway.
Was probably true until T3s came out. Now while BS may be better with equivalent skills skipping them for T3s allows you more time to focus on the supports.
I don't regret my BS since Amarr BS with T2 guns are rather fun for PvP engagements.
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Mini T
Furyans Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.01 19:02:00 -
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Pick a mid-tier ship you like (Drake and Caracal are both great) and train your learning skills first so that later training goes faster. A mistake I made and had to go back to train these. When I did it took days off my training plan. Try to specialize in your weapon class. You will do more damage than you can with level III skills on a lot of weapons.
I made the mistake of jumping through to BS's too quickly and while I have since trained up to effectively fly them, and they are great for missions where you need a ton of Tank to just sit back and enjoy the experience, my skills in the Drake and Caracal are better and make for more exciting gaming. You actually need to do something to run Lvl 3's in a Caracal, where a Drake can tank the DPS much better.
Train that ship up pretty hard and you will be able to do a lot in it as opposed to "getting by" in a bigger ship. I guess what I am saying is learn from my fail. Sustained Damage |
Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.10.02 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph They aren't. With perhaps one or two exceptions, they're outclassed by other ship categories in any given role.
I always want to shove posts like this into the "Gallente sucks" threads and vice-versa. Our AFs kick some serious ass, although one of them is mistakenly labeled as an "interceptor". ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Pirate Tom
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:26:00 -
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I fully support Mini T's take on this... Originally by: "Mini T" Pick a mid-tier ship you like (Drake and Caracal are both great) and train your learning skills first so that later training goes faster. A mistake I made and had to go back to train these. When I did it took days off my training plan. Try to specialize in your weapon class. You will do more damage than you can with level III skills on a lot of weapons.
Don't stretch yourself out too early. You can branch out later, and that's highly encouraged, but .. since Caldari seems to be popular here, we'll use that as an example.
A Caracal may seem like an expensive ship when you first start playing, but all things considered, it's really not. More importantly, the core skills (Shields, Missiles, Energy Grid/Capacitor, etc etc, including the cruiser skill itself) are all transferrable to ships you'll fly later in the game for the most part. A popular line to follow is the Kestrel/Caracal/Drake/Nighthawk line. All of which (Except the frigate which you're kinda stuck with if you want to specialise in missiles) make decent passive tanks. So fly the Kestrel till you can afford a Caracal, if you're doing level 1's and some level 2's, a Caracal with REGULAR Assault Missile Launchers (not Heavy, big difference) can absolutely tear through frigates early on. Certificates are silly to most veteran players, but as a new player, use the certificates as a guide for what skills you should train. Anything in the Core section is useful for all ships, for Caldari, shields and missiles certificates are useful.
If you're looking for specific advice, I recommend avoiding battleclinic as if it were a concentrated ball of bubonic plague. Instead try to find someone in game who's running missions in a ship that you'd like to fly and try to start a friendly conversation with them.
Friendly conversation being one that employs basic etiquette, grammar, and a healthy dash of humility. Some vets have a nice big ego on them (nothing close to TomB's) and stroking that a little bit might not hurt.
Don't be afraid to talk to someone with a low security status either. Some of those 'awful pirates' are actually pretty decent as long as you're not in their crosshairs, so if you want to PVP, talk to the people who PVP, for PVE, same thing.
If you want to play the market game, I wish you the best of luck, very few if any of the marketeers will divulge their secrets to anyone, so that is the only real exception to the 'talk to those who already know how' advice.
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