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Ulf Raben
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.27 14:42:00 -
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I am NOT a miner ... lucky for me ! Many are and depend on it for their progress in EVE ...
I do follow Mineral Prices .. closer than many ! An what has happened to base mineral prices should be obvious to most .
If one is a little bit aquainted with EVE .. as I am one should also KNOW that almost EVERYTHING takes a nice portion of TRITANIUM , PYERIT or MEXALLON to produce NOTHING usefull is really produced without these 3 base minerals ..all the rest are EXTRAS ... whereas ISK - wise MEGACYTE n XYDRINE also play some role .. still dwarfed by the the first 3 . NOXCIUM and ISOGEN ... play insignifficant roles
PRICES on Tritanium and Pyerite have plummeted .. mexallon is the same and also when push come to show not so important ... Zydrine and Megacyte have more than halved in price ... well so has tritanium and Pyerite from their top
SO ... is the EVE comunity producing LESS STUFF ? Is THE PLAYER BASE .... SHRINKING ? Is EVE - Online i serious DECLINE ?
Or is there ANOTHER EXPLANATION : like :
is it SPECULATION by BIG PLAYERS ? JITA has withdrawn a huge chunk of orders recently .. is JITA financially Finished ? OR are there TOO MANY MINERS willing to SLAVE for nothing and in spite of repeated HULKAGEDDONS ? Is it CCP who MANIPULATES the game .. for ex by making Tritanium more availanble ? ( but that does not explain the general price - decline ) and may be there are OTHER VALID EXPLANATIONS ..I have not thought of ?
I have always wondered why the mining community like a blindfolded flock of SHEEP just accept whatever PRICE is thrown their Way ... considering their SPENT TIME as worth little , to be EXPLOITED by smarter organisations and people ....
All in all : SOME INTELLIGENT COMMENTS on above Questions would be wellcome ... I imagine ..also for a broader player base ...
and please .... Answers representing VESTED INTERESTS .... SHUT UP ! the same applies for the well-known MENTAL PYGMEES who need to utter some insulting words in the forums in order to boost their own egos !
Ulf Raben
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.27 14:45:00 -
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EVE is dying and my eyes hurt.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2010.09.27 14:48:00 -
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Its the new insurance system.
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astara989
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Posted - 2010.09.27 14:50:00 -
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Macro miners would play a large part I would imagine.
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evilsmurfs
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Posted - 2010.09.27 15:33:00 -
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blaiming macro miners for the poor economy is like fat people that blame Mcdonalds for them being overweight !
A virtual economy controlled by us is just a fluctuating as a RL economy.. there are ups & downs.. for a long time the old insurance system encouraged growth and demand. The economy will stabilize !
if macro miners were the death of the economy every time we have a hukageddon the ore prices would go through the roof...
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.09.27 15:45:00 -
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Those "nothing ores" often account for over a third of the price of building T1 items. Run the numbers, kids.
Remember, it's a BASKET of minerals. Their prices are tied together because of the insurance system. When some go down, others go up. And, when others go up due to massive market manipulation, some go down.
People who were making money with Scordite need to adjust. The market has changed.
That's how it works. That's how it has worked for years. That's how it'll continue to work.
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Frabba
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:01:00 -
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you DONT have TOO type with RANDOMLY capitalized WORDS in your SENTENCES in fact it IS quite OBNOXIOUS to READ.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:02:00 -
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needs more CAPITALS --
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Gnaeus Corbulo
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:02:00 -
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Yes the insurance changes removed the artifical pricing inflation on Trit and Pyr.
That the two most common roids (veld and scord) which produced the most easily obtained minerals (trit and pyr) was worth over 100 isk/m3 was a bizzare abberation caused by a flawed insurance mechanic. Now that it is fixed, the mineral/roid values are re-aligned to their market based values, not a subsidized value.
If you find yourself mining pyro or heb, you're now not failing, but actually adapting to the new mining order.
When the insurance/processing changes where first announced the consensus among us (alot of dedicated, non-botting miners) was that Kernite would be the valuable high-sec ore, and low and behold it is, as it shoudl be. The real sheep in this are the miners who still think the easiest ore to mine/process should be worth anything but the least isk/m3.
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Skreeth
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:28:00 -
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Those capitals fairly get the point across
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Mr Stark
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:50:00 -
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MY EYES!
Its a dynamic market, blame someone else for your failure.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.09.27 16:54:00 -
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uLf r4B3n 5UcKS B1g baLLz!!1oneone
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:25:00 -
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Is EVE in fatal decline? No!
The number of active accounts continues to grow. The number or toons on active accounts continues to grow. The available content continues to grow (Though a year off of new features to give some TLC to existing content would be welcomed by most I think).
So, what is happening? CCP was seeing rapid and steady increase in the wallets of some larger corps and alliances to the tune of 10s of trillions of ISK a quarter. 10% per quarter increase in total ISK, mostly going into the wallets of relatively few.
In looking at this constant inflow of ISK to the game, they identified the issue as direct conversion of minerals to ISK in the form of 10+ trillion a month in intentional ship destruction for insurance payout.
The game is designed such that mission runners get ISK, they use that ISK to buy stuff from industrialists. Industrialists mine minerals and convert it to ISK by selling to mission runners and PVPers.
By bypassing the mission runners and PVPers and allowing direct conversion of minerals to ISK via insurance, the balance was broken.
There are too many industrialists and not enough pew-pew-ers.
Based on the last quarterly report, there was 1.7 ships per month, per active account, destroyed in PVP. Yeah... 1.7 ships per month, per active account.
So, they adjusted the insurance payouts to get rid of the direct conversion of minerals into ISK in hopes of stopping the 10 trillion a month in ISK supply growth.
What the game needs is fewer miners and industrialists, and more pew-pew-ers.
So, rather than complaining about falling mineral prices, get out of your hulk and into a BC, then get out into low or null sec and start looking for ships to make go boom.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Frabba you DONT have TOO type with RANDOMLY capitalized WORDS in your SENTENCES in fact it IS quite OBNOXIOUS to READ.
- Ulf Raben
um he hid a message in his text doing that.
granted its a bit of an annoying way to make a joke
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:43:00 -
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I enjoy reading walls of text with randomly ALL CAPS words in it.
Makes it seem much more conclusive to me.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:38:00 -
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CAPS LOCK
NOT NECESSARY ALL OF THE TIME
NOT NECESSARY EVEN SOME OF THE TIME -- CCP recently changed SiSi to allow PLEXes to buy neural remaps. Simultaneously, they also released their plans on how to best lose as many subscribers as possible. |
Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador EVE is dying and my eyes hurt.
This is just the natural transition to World of Darkness, where death is the beginning.
Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos CAPS LOCK
NOT NECESSARY ALL OF THE TIME
NOT NECESSARY EVEN SOME OF THE TIME
Fixt. I mean ffs, you have to go all the way and use red font in cases like this. Also, where's capslockbroke?
Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:50:00 -
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Ehhh I thought about the red but I realized yellow would be more effective....
Then I realized using either would probably get me yelled at. Orange might've been okay, though. -- CCP recently changed SiSi to allow PLEXes to buy neural remaps. Simultaneously, they also released their plans on how to best lose as many subscribers as possible. |
Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos [magenta]CAPS LOCK
NOT NECESSARY ALL OF THE TIME
NOT NECESSARY EVEN SOME OF THE TIME[/magenta]
Wha...no magenta?? Fake edit:
Originally by: captain foivos CAPS LOCK
NOT NECESSARY ALL OF THE TIME
NOT NECESSARY EVEN SOME OF THE TIME
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DJ Skrull
Caldari K.A.O.S. Constructions
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:10:00 -
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I am a miner, and I thought of this too while crunching some numbers.
The fact is, while the isk/m3 ratio is declining, the overall value of the minerals are not.
If the minerals have less value, they sell for cheaper on the market. And if they sell for cheaper on the market, the products they are used to manufacture cost less to create. therefore, the prices for almost every item on the market drops (since cost/profit ratios of manufacturing can stay the same and everyone wants to have competitive prices). For example...the price of a Hulk dropped 30 million isk over 10 months (at least in the region I bought mine for my main in December and just recently for my alt today).
So while my actual wallet numbers may be lower, overall wealth remains the same.
Basically the actual value of the ISK is increasing ever so slightly.
The only real thing that is changing is that all the different ways to make money in EVE are leveling out...or at least approaching similar prosperities.
We all know the EVE market is like a woman in that its extremely complex and sensitive and thus no one can fully understand or predict it...but this all makes sense for me. EVEntually |
DJ Skrull
Caldari K.A.O.S. Constructions
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
So, rather than complaining about falling mineral prices, get out of your hulk and into a BC, then get out into low or null sec and start looking for ships to make go boom.
What if your like me, and do both?? :-D EVEntually |
Xeross155
Minmatar Hellhounds. HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:31:00 -
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Yes EVE is dying, please leave your stuff with the Leaving EVE Fund guy.
Regards, Xeross --------------------------------------------- Xeross' ventures into EVE |
LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.09.27 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: DJ Skrull
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
So, rather than complaining about falling mineral prices, get out of your hulk and into a BC, then get out into low or null sec and start looking for ships to make go boom.
What if your like me, and do both?? :-D
Then you, like me, are only half the problem.
I have one PVP toon and 3 industrial alts. It seems I'm 2/3rds of a problem. Or maybe I'm 1.5 a problem?
A guy that just left out corp to join a sister corp has 6... yes, 6... mining accounts + an orca alt. He cascades the 6 windows so he can see the cargo hold and mining lasers of each mining alt. Has each working on a differnt rock type, or one starts on the close and the other starts on the far and they work to the middle. Every min or so, moves ore from cargo holds to the orca. Only gets interrupted when he has to go dump the orca. Cleans an entier system of all belts, by himself.
He, unlike us, is not a fraction of a problem. He's seven problems. He mines enough ore to make enough ships for a couple dozen PVPers.
He pays for it all with PLEX, meaning 7 PVPers have to buy game time codes to maintain PLEX prices in game.
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Rikki Sals
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.27 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
A guy that just left out corp to join a sister corp has 6... yes, 6... mining accounts + an orca alt. He cascades the 6 windows so he can see the cargo hold and mining lasers of each mining alt. Has each working on a differnt rock type, or one starts on the close and the other starts on the far and they work to the middle. Every min or so, moves ore from cargo holds to the orca. Only gets interrupted when he has to go dump the orca. Cleans an entier system of all belts, by himself.
He, unlike us, is not a fraction of a problem. He's seven problems. He mines enough ore to make enough ships for a couple dozen PVPers.
He pays for it all with PLEX, meaning 7 PVPers have to buy game time codes to maintain PLEX prices in game.
It's things like this that make EVE great.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.27 23:30:00 -
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. . .
Ok Im suprised noone else has comented on the hidden message he put in. . .
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 23:52:00 -
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Yes eVe is dYing
now gIVe me YOUR stufF
Originally by: Brock Nelson OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente League of Gentlemen Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.09.28 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas . . .
Ok Im suprised noone else has comented on the hidden message he put in. . .
Can you decode it for us? My eyes are too busy bleeding.
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Ulf Raben
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.28 04:38:00 -
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Thank You to all who attempted to come up with a serious response !
Main ( and most likely ) suggestions to the Question put forward were :
1. CCP intervention in the game mechanics ( insurance etc ) 2. Macro miners
Still ... take a look ..once again on the charts of mineral-prices this year Its a ride deep in the valley for all that is signifficant .. ISK - wise
One answer maintains that EVE is flourishing .. Considering that really a lot of people have started alts ..mainly of competitive reasons .. I wonder what the reality is
As a suggestion to CCP ... it would be interresting to be able to monitor the growth of the ISK base in circulation .. as that would give a hint .. to where we are heading ..
And finally :
The finger to the usual mentally disturbed answers ... it is a bit tragicomic that some people appear to need such in order to feel like someone ... but OK .. who cares ?
Ulf Raben
Ulf Raben
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.09.28 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 28/09/2010 05:45:59 Yes it is, quit now and never post again.
As a matter of fact make a new thread telling people to stop posting this so we dont have to come in here telling them this.
Edit: fixed a word i didnt get right, cause it matters. |
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