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William Walker
Amarr House Celtae
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Posted - 2010.09.28 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ulf Raben NOT EVE EVE KNOW EVERYTHING TRITANIUM PYERIT MEXALLON NOTHING EXTRAS ISK MEGACYTE XYDRINE NOXCIUM ISOGEN PRICES SO LESS STUFF THE PLAYER BASE SHRINKING EVE DECLINE ANOTHER EXPLANATION SPECULATION BIG PLAYERS JITA JITA OR TOO MANY MINERS SLAVE HULKAGEDDONS MANIPULATES OTHER VALID EXPLANATIONS SHEEP PRICE SPENT TIME EXPLOITED SOME INTELLIGENT COMMENTS VESTED INTERESTS SHUT UP MENTAL PYGMEES
I just took out all the capitalized words. Now let's highlight the first letter of every capitalized word.
N E E K E T P M N E M X N I P S L S T P B S E D A E S B P J J O T M M S H M O V E S P S T E S I C V I S U M P I
I can recognize no pattern as of now, however if we move around some of the letters we get:
KEEP THE MINS LO SO I CAN JUST MEET JEEVES IMPS MMXNPTPBSDSBPMSSPVI
I haven't quite figured out the meaning of this, but maybe you guys can help out. The rest is garbled. ________________________________________________
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Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
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Posted - 2010.09.28 08:22:00 -
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This isn't the first failed attempt at writing some form of eye bleeding poem on these boards and it's getting irritating. If you can't type correctly don't smash the keyboard with your stumps and people who insist on trolling the boards with badly written/formatted posts should get a ban because it's done on purpose to annoy the reader.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.09.28 10:37:00 -
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Quote: Still ... take a look ..once again on the charts of mineral-prices this year Its a ride deep in the valley for all that is signifficant .. ISK - wise
See, where you are wrong is in your presumption that some minerals are "significant". Either you're a producer that's never paid attention. Or, more-than-likely, you're a wannabe who hasn't a clue about what he's talking about. Or, you're simply some kind of troll. If that's the case, I'll feed you here ...
On capital modules, your insignificant minerals comprise 35%+ of the cost of the module. Same is true with a Caracal.
With a Drake, at current Jita prices for minerals, the insignificant minerals comprise 45%+ of the cost of the ship.
Go look at the mineral prices for other parts of the basket. Get your head out of 0.9-space and take a look at the whole basket of minerals. Prices are adjusting for different reasons. Some are adjusting due to price manipulation (Nocxium) and others just due to economic pressures from price movements of other minerals.
See, all of the mineral prices are inherently tied together due to ship insurance. One goes up, others go down, and vice versa.
So, again, take a look at all the prices to get a grasp of how much you've failed here, Chicken Little. |
Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.09.28 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Taser Monkey If you can't type correctly don't smash the keyboard with your stumps ...
May I humbly request that you not write such messages when I'm drinking? My keyboard is allergic to water. |
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.28 14:19:00 -
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There is a war coming. We are all doomed. --
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Ulf Raben
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.28 14:23:00 -
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Again ..Thanks for all serious answers !
And in order to summarize the explanations put forward to the issue of Falling Base Mineral price :
1. CCP Intervention in Markets ( Insurance etc ) 2. MAKRO-Miners 3. Too many miners and too little Ship destruction = too little consumtion of base mineral = too much base mineral around leading to lower prices 4. Prices on minerals are relatively speaking constant as lower Mineral prices lead to lower Item prices enabling the capsuleeer the same purchasing power of his gigantic hoard of ISK ... and finally 5. Isolated price increases on Noxcium / Isogen compensate for price declines in the other minerals ... so the steep price declines one can see and wittness on the charts .. are almost an illusion
The latter 2 explanations reminding about explanations by gouvernment and financial experts on the ancient planet EARTH during crisis times down there
Well .. so much for that ....
I guess .. those who really might KNOW ... dont say anything and just go ahead with business as usual
Fly safe !
Ulf Raben
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.09.28 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Michela on 28/09/2010 14:44:39
Quote: The latter 2 explanations reminding about explanations by gouvernment and financial experts on the ancient planet EARTH during crisis times down there
I guess .. those who really might KNOW ... dont say anything and just go ahead with business as usual
Those who know and have done this for those Ancient Earth years did tell you. You were just too foolish to listen. You have some bizarre ideas about how the mineral economy works ... and, like some of those Ancient Earth Tea-Baggers ... refuse to listen to facts when slapped in the face with them. |
CAPSLOCKBROKE
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.28 15:33:00 -
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DIDN'T READ THE THREAD BUT FELT THE NEED TO POST. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAPSLOCK, BECAUSE SOMETIMES REGULAR FONT JUST, ISN'T, GOOD ENOUGH. |
CAPSLOCKBROKEMARKETALT
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Posted - 2010.09.28 15:35:00 -
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POSTING ON AN ALT TO HIDE MY IDENTITY.
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Manttis
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:11:00 -
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another reason i would like to add to the list is salvage, mission runners can generate alot of minerals from salavaging the crap modules. With the additin of the new salvaging vessel this will greatly increase. The Noctius will even make salvaging viable for Ratters that most of the time i just see great piles of wrecks from them blasting through Santums. Salvaging needs to have less of a return in t1 mods. At least this will drop the price of Rigs.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.09.28 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: LHA Tarawa on 28/09/2010 17:28:50 Edited by: LHA Tarawa on 28/09/2010 17:26:31
Originally by: Manttis another reason i would like to add to the list is salvage, mission runners can generate alot of minerals from salavaging the crap modules.
Technically, this is looting. Salvaging gets you salvage materials used to manufacture rigs. You can't melt the salvage into minerals.
Tyrannis saw a DRASTIC drop in the minerals that can be gotten from loot. They removed meta 0 1600 plate, meta 0 large weapons, and meta 0 ABs and MWDs which accounted for a HUGE chunk of the minerals from loot.
Everytime I access a large wreck and see a metal scrap, I'm reminded I just lost a large piece of loot that pre-Tyrannis could have been melted down into 100K worth of minerals.
Yes, there is still loot that can be melted down into minerals, but it has been (in the words of the DevBlog) significantly reduced. I'd guess 50-75% less minerals coming from my loot.
And, still, that drastic drop in minerals from loot did nothing to keep the prices of minerals from racing to the new insurance fraud floor.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q2-2010.pdf Something like 250K ships a quarter were being self-destructed prior to Tyrannis, most of them BS.
Too many miners and not enough PVPers now that the direct conversion of minerals to ISK via insurance has been nerfed.
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.28 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ulf Raben The latter 2 explanations reminding about explanations by gouvernment and financial experts on the ancient planet EARTH during crisis times down there
Wow. Went from ... stuff ... stuff to full on lolRP. 7/10.
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iKill Giants
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.28 22:15:00 -
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Bro, there is a depression in the RL. It makes sense that there is a depression on the OL. There are also other factors. The Drone NPCs have opened up high-end minerals to many players. The new insurance system is playing havoc with ship, and by extent, mineral prices. Probably other things I don't even know about.
Calm down, you lemmings. ---------
People always ask me for my Rupture fit after I blow up their Abaddon. |
LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.09.28 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: LHA Tarawa on 28/09/2010 23:37:50
Originally by: iKill Giants Bro, there is a depression in the RL. It makes sense that there is a depression on the OL.
Exept the number of players is still growing. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q2-2010.pdf
Page 8 has a graph. They seem to get a dip in the number of active accounts in summer, which has happened the last 2 years. Last year the sip was at 300K active accounts. This year the dip bottomed at 325K-ish.
In fact, some of their fastest growth ever for active accounts was early 2009, during some of the worst of times for the "almost over the brink into global depression" recession.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2010.09.29 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Taser Monkey This isn't the first failed attempt at writing some form of eye bleeding poem on these boards and it's getting irritating. If you can't type correctly don't smash the keyboard with your stumps and people who insist on trolling the boards with badly written/formatted posts should get a ban because it's done on purpose to annoy the reader.
People who post incorrect accusations of wall-of-test should also be banned.
-- Salpad C.E.O., Carebears with Attitude |
Bemil
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Posted - 2010.09.30 00:01:00 -
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There is another factor in all of this. The new I materials. Just for fun, I looked at robotics prices. This is a pos fuel as well as a manafacturing component for several t2 items, drones is what i seem to be using the most on. I'm not sure exactly what the effect on the market is but i know there has to be an effect.
I don't normally buy or sell highsec minerals because I can mine all that I need, and use. I really haven't noticed much in the price of lowsec mats, but I just recently started paying attention. I wanted to compute how much it actually cost me to make an item so i could figure out what it should actually be selling for.
However, I had some items up for sale that had old prices, and I was suprised to see how much the price dropped. I think, some of, the focus has just shifted from roids to planets.
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Forgotten Heathen
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Posted - 2010.09.30 06:27:00 -
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No
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Leekana
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Posted - 2010.10.07 05:50:00 -
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Seeing as people are going to mine based on general information. The only real way to change this in favor is to A. Keep telling new miners to lose hope. B. change the information about mining so it steers people away from veld / scord, aka hi sec mining. C. Get into manufacturing and use the lower prices to your advantage by selling in low - null sec. (for all you produce by doing this.) This game has an ever changing market. Not to mention that the environment provided is the reason for this out come. If you some how magically made all the minerals disappear on the market one day. What do you think would happen?
For future reference I am sorry for letting out your master plan chribba. It was wrong of me to inform everyone that you plan to take back what you own.
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JD Myers
Gallente Taiidan Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.07 11:56:00 -
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your prob just doing it wrong. Its evolving and you must too.
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Toilarmius
Minmatar Auxilia Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.10.07 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xeross155 Yes EVE is dying, please leave your stuff with the Leaving EVE Fund guy.
Regards, Xeross
Confirming I am the LEFG.
Originally by: CCP Fallout I can scan (but don't have time atm) a picture of one of my mother's modeling photos and you'd see hers as well, and she's more obviously a women than I'll ever be.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.10.08 14:30:00 -
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The OP is a great example of someone who pays attention to all kinds of little details but simply doesn't have a clue how the whole machine works. |
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