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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.29 04:04:00 -
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What should be done someone states in such a tone where they absolutely believe something incredibly wrong about technology?
Lets go with this one, from facebook earlier today: "New i7 processors are useless. They have 4 cores and only 2 usable. Its like having a V8 and only using 4 cylinders."
Now, as I understand it, (and feel free to flame me when im totally incorrect) most i7's are quad core high end processors. Now, being 4 cores, stuff has to be designed to be multi-core friendly to use it, otherwise, it just works on a single core.
Thus, its more comparable to a block of 4 V2s, however your car only has two axles and no way to combine power from more than one engine at a time...
In the general case of things, how exactly do you go about telling someone they are an idiot? i is it subtle, somewhat like 'eh bro, your doing it wrong', or more direct 'son you aint got a clue what your talkin about, this is how it is:' ? Or i suppose not doing anything is an passably acceptable route, but as Socrates was once quoted saying, 'there is one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance'..
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails so i'm pretty much anti cat at the moment (lol)
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.29 04:30:00 -
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I know what you speak of all to well.
As far as i know, i'm the only person aware that Windows 7 is the exact same kernel as Vista. Same system requirements, everything. The only thing different is the box and bells and whistles.
Macintosh did such a good job convincing everyone Vista would make their computers burst into flames that Microsoft had to repackage it as a new OS and put a new coat of paint on it for people to actually see for themselves. And ever since then they've been raving about how it's so much better than Vista. Yes, people are that stupid and easily led.
There is nothing you can do except get drunk on your lawn and hurl things at passing people while screaming about the illuminati.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.29 05:01:00 -
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yes, however i get the feeling if i tried to explain a kernel to any of these people they would be lost long before i could explain how vista and win7 are the same
im certainly looking into bunkering.. you know of any that command satellites with nuclear armaments?
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails so i'm pretty much anti cat at the moment (lol)
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.29 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 29/09/2010 05:40:31
I don't know about you, but it wasn't the kernel that annoyed the hell out of me as far as Vista went. And Win7 still sort of annoys me even after trimming it down to "Windows95 look&feel" as much as possible (the same thing I did with my WinXP), but, meh... no DX10/DX11 on WinXP, so not much of a choice there sadly.
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As for the original question - depends. How sure I am I am correct and he's wrong ? Have I met him before (online) or is this a first encounter ? How did the previous encounter resolve ? Do I give a damn about the guy or not ? Could I end up eventually giving a damn about this guy ? Am I in a good mood or a bad mood ? How "verbose" do I feel like being today ?
Possible responses based on the previous scenarios could range from... "I have no idea where you heard that, but from what I know, that's not accurate. This is how I think things stand : <polite brief explanation of main points perceived as wrong>" to "Listen up, you ignorant waste of a human life, did it ever cross your pathetic little mind that you might be horribly wrong ? In case you were wondering, yeah, you are dead wrong. This is how reality looks like : <point-by-point demolition of every little thing wrong with the user's post interspersed by borderline PG-rated invectives>" or alternatively "<quote> AFAIK, <brief correct explanation>" to "<quote> FAIL. Correct version : <not quite so brief explanation>"
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.29 05:39:00 -
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Well I dont know what you should do, but I know that hunting them down, hacking them up with an axe, draining their blood and feeding them through a wood chiper is apparently illegal in some states..
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.29 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter im certainly looking into bunkering.. you know of any that command satellites with nuclear armaments?
Oh, you won't need anything like that. Everyone is counting on the 2012 solar maximum destroying all electronics in orbit and on the surface, sending the world spiralling into chaos.
So at best we'll get to enjoy Incarna for 6 months.
Probably worth noting at this point that i'm just crazy and channeled all this from an Eel on the planet Neptune. But maybe, just maybe, he's got an inside track.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.29 05:40:00 -
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I just let them wallow in ignorance. Darwin will sort it out eventually.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.29 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 29/09/2010 05:45:12
Originally by: Atticus Fynch I just let them wallow in ignorance. Darwin will sort it out eventually.
But they were wrong ! On the internet ! People from the future will read the archives and also be wrong ! It's an ignorance death spiral machine ! It must be stopped before it destroys the universe ! Or before the movie "Idiocracy" turns from fiction to fact !
P.S. This thread is now about the movie "Idiocracy". GO ! _
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.29 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula As far as i know, i'm the only person aware that Windows 7 is the exact same kernel as Vista. Same system requirements, everything. The only thing different is the box and bells and whistles.
Those bells and whistles you speak of, we commonly refer to them as services. These were (mostly) what was responsible for Vistas pore performance and general ****tynes (along with some pore choices for drivers and changing the API between RC1 and release). Most of these were either removed completely or re-written, and almost all of them were turned off by default (as opposed to Vista where just about everything was turned on by default) making Windows7 a MUCH better user experience.
The windows kernel has always been tiny and pretty insignificant (it does very little) and was never broken in Vista, so why change it?
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.29 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin Those bells and whistles you speak of, we commonly refer to them as services. These were (mostly) what was responsible for Vistas pore performance and general ****tynes (along with some pore choices for drivers and changing the API between RC1 and release). Most of these were either removed completely or re-written, and almost all of them were turned off by default (as opposed to Vista where just about everything was turned on by default) making Windows7 a MUCH better user experience.
The windows kernel has always been tiny and pretty insignificant (it does very little) and was never broken in Vista, so why change it?
See, i went ahead and bought Vista in its first month, and the only problem i've ever had with it was due to Nvidias drivers for a new card not being as Vista ready as advertised, which they fixed in about a month. Then i sat back and read about how bad Vista was on my computer running Vista until, well, now.
When a new OS comes out, it always means a new kernel. It's pretty much why they make a new OS. It's the heart of all system performance. Vista to win 7 is the only exception, for the reasons detailed. They were considering using 'minwin', a slimmed down version on the Vista kernel, for windows 7, because people kept whining about system requirements, but later decided to just reuse the Vista kernel and keep the same system requirements.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.29 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula When a new OS comes out, it always means a new kernel. It's pretty much why they make a new OS. It's the heart of all system performance. Vista to win 7 is the only exception, for the reasons detailed.
Well, if you want to get technical, there are really only two "recent" seriously different kernels that matter, the Win9x kernel family and the WinNT kernel family. Everything else might as well be just a service pack. Also, Microsoft CLAIMS that there were (some) kernel improvements from Vista to Win7, although they were most likely minor. Again, basically, barely service-pack level.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.29 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Or before the movie "Idiocracy" turns from fiction to fact !
P.S. This thread is now about the movie "Idiocracy". GO !
damnit! I thought there was still another half dozen useful posts to be had...
And well, yes, they are wrong on the internet. Unfortunately, I am not so sure my chance of running into this guy (he and i go to the same uni.. not a small one mind), and he never particularly cared for being correct anyway, especially when it came to computer stuff
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails so i'm pretty much anti cat at the moment (lol)
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.29 07:28:00 -
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To answer the question in the title, I'm going to marry it.
Now picture if you will, a Windows XP home edition 32bit OS with a hard drive too fragmented to even begin to defrag (computer almost literally told me to gtfo of the house). That's what she brought into my house and put near my computer .
Of course, me being the only one in the house that knows more about using a computer than click left button 2x something happens did a fresh OS install and had to go online to find the drivers for all her hardware because someone didn't keep anything! Took me only 6 hours
/rant off
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.29 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin These were (mostly) what was responsible for Vistas pore performance
You're saying the problem was only skin-deep?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.29 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lana Torrin These were (mostly) what was responsible for Vistas pore performance
You're saying the problem was only skin-deep? *rimshot*
Well, since the problem was apparently not in the kernel... _
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.29 08:11:00 -
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I wondered if you'd catch the double pun.
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Ironwomen
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Posted - 2010.09.30 06:11:00 -
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You leave out all i7's are HT, so it is 4 cores with 8 threads... nothing high end, it is just the HT quad (if you want to call that high end, then sure...)
As far as wrong, no it is not, for some people a quad anything (let alone i7 because of HT) would be worthless... if you use all apps that can only run one 1 core, and only use them one at a time... the other 2 processors are... useless... (gave windows 1 to run on and 1 for the app) is it said badly, yes, but is the idea in it, yes.
I've flat out told people, do not waste your money on an ix, it is worthless for you, I freaking used a car example to explain it (1000HP but driving in NYC, all the power, but have no use for it)
You are wrong on the v2's, you can very well combine them. It may not be the best thing ever for the motors, may not drive super great, but, you can, if you know how to.
And before any flames, I just 2 days ago built myself a nice i7 with a 875k ya I know what I am talking about.
I'll call you and idiot, that's about how I would do it, idiot.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.30 06:25:00 -
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well yes, ill admit im not that great on my car metaphors, thats his department apparently
and uh, i thought that the reason they are called i7 is because they were high end? that the i5 was midrange, and i3 entry level.. and taht those were pretty much all intel made nowadays?
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails so i'm pretty much anti cat at the moment (lol)
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.30 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 30/09/2010 07:16:53
Originally by: Lance Fighter well yes, ill admit im not that great on my car metaphors, thats his department apparently
and uh, i thought that the reason they are called i7 is because they were high end? that the i5 was midrange, and i3 entry level.. and taht those were pretty much all intel made nowadays?
Well the trouble is there are 2 i7 series. You have i7s (800 series) for socket 1156 (same socket that the i5 and i3 fit into) and i7s (900 series) for socket 1366, and the latter of those are decidedly high-end CPUs. They are also rather expensive, atleast until the 6-core i9s start showing up. i7s for socket 1156 are the high-end versions for that socket, but they're somewhat slower than their socket 1366 counterparts and as such mid-range parts, but also a good deal cheaper.
Lower end i5 and i3 chips are dual-core CPUs btw (especially laptop versions), with the i5-400 series as hyperthreaded dual-core CPUs (2 cores, 4 threads) and all i3s simple dual-cores, using the more efficient Nehalem architecture rather than the more power hungry Core2Duo stuff.
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