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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:20:00 -
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Once CCP introduces the barge changes there will be a massive influx of cheap minerals to the market.
I for one am hoping to return to the glory days of 30m isk drakes. If only tech prices would drop too.
Your isk is about to have more buying power than you could possibly imagine. |
AdmiralJohn
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:24:00 -
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I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and will be as it should be. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:27:00 -
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So much water, so few buckets. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Torvin Yulus
State War Academy Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:31:00 -
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AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.
BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!
CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?
anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour! im a pubby and im proud |
nate555
GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET Primal Force
53
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:36:00 -
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In all truth I don't really care. When the change happens I'm just going to build my stuff. |
Alara IonStorm
2800
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:36:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: I for one am hoping to return to the glory days of 30m isk drakes. If only tech prices would drop too.
So do I.
AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. This will make miners unhappy, gankers unhappy and I'm happy Tier 2 Battleships will cost 80mil...
The underlined are all the reasons I support this change. Why? Because I play EVE and victory is just not as sweet if there isn't a bunch of people to point at and laugh while I enjoy a victory I did nothing to earn. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1759
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:42:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:
BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!
CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?
anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!
I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that. |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Torvin Yulus wrote:
BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!
CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?
anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!
I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that.
Based on his other posts I don't think that is sarcasm. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
804
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:44:00 -
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The only reason gankers are affected is because this will affect our massive RMT bot farms. If trit's gonna become one ISK per unit again, then I'll have to switch my datacenter's worth of PCs to WoW fishing or something. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
baltec1
Bat Country
1759
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:49:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: Based on his other posts I don't think that is sarcasm.
It must be... |
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Alara IonStorm
2801
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that.
You should buy a pod with a sarcasm serge protector. Also comes with Brain Bleach I.V. for how Goons are destroying the game threads.
Destiny Corrupted wrote:The only reason gankers are affected is because this will affect our massive RMT bot farms. If trit's gonna become one ISK per unit again, then I'll have to switch my datacenter's worth of PCs to WoW fishing or something. Good thing CCP isn't an Airline Company because now would be the time you were quietly walked into the backroom for a rubber glove search.
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Sarmea Moon
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
19
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:59:00 -
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You know the build cost of barges are also going up right? Those same mins will leave the way they came in. Also- when ships get cheap, people get stupid and things go boom for the giggles. More mins leave the market and become insurance cash:)
Also, people who used to mine in hulks will have alternatives that don't mine as much, but are far far safer (don't tell me no one mines in less than a max hulk, because I mine in a tanked gimped hulk).
I snapped up a few retrievers off the market already, along with a couple skiffs and macks. |
Grandpa Bill
Twin Lakes Retirement Home
406
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:16:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT! CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners? anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!
This just be my view on what's goin on. Back in the day lumberjacks would head out in the forests with their large saws and whatnot and they would cut down a section of forest. They would use that lumber as the building block to every day items from the houses that we live in to the furniture that we put in them houses. A few years goes by and someone comes up with this their idea that will revolutionize deforesting and one person can do the job of 5 people. This causes more wood, more materials and a chance for more money. But lo and behold before ya know it everyone is doin the same thing and creates an overabundance of materials all over the place. The buyers start to buy cheaper cause everyone's trying to unload their extra materials. So over time the prices goes down and its because materials are obtained quickly with new technology.
Now look at whats commin in the update. Updated ships with new to us technology that will help miners mine all they want. This will create a overabundance of materials that drives the prices down. Its all about supply and demand, when everyone creates a huge supply that over meets the demand, you will drive the prices downward. But is this CCP's fault or is it the miners fault? CCP is giving you the tools to mine more efficiently, what you do with the ore is up to you.
It reminds me of something else I hear around here. I hear that the bigger alliances are sitting on the tech moons and controlling the markets with the materiel's produced and how unfair it is. Look into the real world diamond market and see how many companies are holding Diamonds from the public to drive the demand up. I remember hearing that if they put all the diamonds they were holding on the market, the diamond market would crash because they are no where near as rare as a lot of people believe they are. Good or bad, this can be seen as unfair practice but just like in our game it also happens in the real world.
I really like how you can make comparisons like these in this game to real world happenings. Did the lumberjacks blame the company who created new chainsaws and equipment that made it easier to cut down the trees, or did they blame themselves for cutting down more trees then they used to in a fit of dollar per hour greed?
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Pipa Porto
599
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:18:00 -
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Go Go Gadget Grandpa Bill! EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:19:00 -
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Hmm so far the only minerals which are crashing are the null sec minerals. I think it has to do with the nerf of drone poo.
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:22:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Hmm so far the only minerals which are crashing are the null sec minerals. I think it has to do with the nerf of drone poo.
Maybe because the mining barge changes haven't hit tranq yet. |
Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
89
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:25:00 -
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Grandpa Bill wrote:Torvin Yulus wrote:AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT! CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners? anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour! This just be my view on what's goin on. Back in the day lumberjacks would head out in the forests with their large saws and whatnot and they would cut down a section of forest. They would use that lumber as the building block to every day items from the houses that we live in to the furniture that we put in them houses. A few years goes by and someone comes up with this their idea that will revolutionize deforesting and one person can do the job of 5 people. This causes more wood, more materials and a chance for more money. But lo and behold before ya know it everyone is doin the same thing and creates an overabundance of materials all over the place. The buyers start to buy cheaper cause everyone's trying to unload their extra materials. So over time the prices goes down and its because materials are obtained quickly with new technology. Now look at whats commin in the update. Updated ships with new to us technology that will help miners mine all they want. This will create a overabundance of materials that drives the prices down. Its all about supply and demand, when everyone creates a huge supply that over meets the demand, you will drive the prices downward. But is this CCP's fault or is it the miners fault? CCP is giving you the tools to mine more efficiently, what you do with the ore is up to you. It reminds me of something else I hear around here. I hear that the bigger alliances are sitting on the tech moons and controlling the markets with the materiel's produced and how unfair it is. Look into the real world diamond market and see how many companies are holding Diamonds from the public to drive the demand up. I remember hearing that if they put all the diamonds they were holding on the market, the diamond market would crash because they are no where near as rare as a lot of people believe they are. Good or bad, this can be seen as unfair practice but just like in our game it also happens in the real world. I really like how you can make comparisons like these in this game to real world happenings. Did the lumberjacks blame the company who created new chainsaws and equipment that made it easier to cut down the trees, or did they blame themselves for cutting down more trees then they used to in a fit of dollar per hour greed?
Well said.
TL;DR version: it's not the new technology (mining ships) that will crash the market. It's the over abundance of greedy ISK per hour miners that will flood the market, causing the market crash.
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
baltec1
Bat Country
1759
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:25:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Hmm so far the only minerals which are crashing are the null sec minerals. I think it has to do with the nerf of drone poo.
Maybe because the mining barge changes haven't hit tranq yet.
Dont you be using logic now. This is a mining thread afterall. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:28:00 -
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Grandpa Bill wrote:Torvin Yulus wrote:AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT! CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners? anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour! This just be my view on what's goin on. Back in the day lumberjacks would head out in the forests with their large saws and whatnot and they would cut down a section of forest. They would use that lumber as the building block to every day items from the houses that we live in to the furniture that we put in them houses. A few years goes by and someone comes up with this their idea that will revolutionize deforesting and one person can do the job of 5 people. This causes more wood, more materials and a chance for more money. But lo and behold before ya know it everyone is doin the same thing and creates an overabundance of materials all over the place. The buyers start to buy cheaper cause everyone's trying to unload their extra materials. So over time the prices goes down and its because materials are obtained quickly with new technology. Now look at whats commin in the update. Updated ships with new to us technology that will help miners mine all they want. This will create a overabundance of materials that drives the prices down. Its all about supply and demand, when everyone creates a huge supply that over meets the demand, you will drive the prices downward. But is this CCP's fault or is it the miners fault? CCP is giving you the tools to mine more efficiently, what you do with the ore is up to you. It reminds me of something else I hear around here. I hear that the bigger alliances are sitting on the tech moons and controlling the markets with the materiel's produced and how unfair it is. Look into the real world diamond market and see how many companies are holding Diamonds from the public to drive the demand up. I remember hearing that if they put all the diamonds they were holding on the market, the diamond market would crash because they are no where near as rare as a lot of people believe they are. Good or bad, this can be seen as unfair practice but just like in our game it also happens in the real world. I really like how you can make comparisons like these in this game to real world happenings. Did the lumberjacks blame the company who created new chainsaws and equipment that made it easier to cut down the trees, or did they blame themselves for cutting down more trees then they used to in a fit of dollar per hour greed?
Except if the demand rises as fast as the supply does. I am thinking this move might create a more lasting player base, along with dust514 we may see a rapid and sustained growth for EVE in which case the demand for those minerals may stay ahead of supply. Your story is assuming the demand stays the same or goes down. As CCP revamps the sumer rebalance they also have the opportunity to increase the building minerals used in the construction of those ships. To place even more demand upon the supply.
The only sure thing in eve is change will happen. |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
359
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:34:00 -
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If only there was a 'Market Discussions' forum where people could have disucssions about the market, minerals, and pricing. Oh wait... Not everyone thinks the same way you do. This doesn't automatically make them wrong. |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
804
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:46:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Except if the demand rises as fast as the supply does. I am thinking this move might create a more lasting player base, along with dust514 we may see a rapid and sustained growth for EVE in which case the demand for those minerals may stay ahead of supply. Your story is assuming the demand stays the same or goes down. Any growth EVE experiences will bring along with it another number of risk-averse, greedy miners. If mining becomes easier/safer, then prices will drop.
The demand for minerals is relatively inelastic. Think of it this way: a player buys a Drake to go on a 0.0 roam. The roam takes two hours, and by the end, the Drake is lost. If minerals are cheaper, then the Drake is easier to acquire. However, that does not mean that the player can fly two Drakes at the same time (because he can only fly one ship at a time), or that he will spend more than two hours roaming (because he doesn't have an infinite amount of hours in a day). The only way for mineral demand to be elastic is for people to find enjoyment in getting their ships exploded in a very quick succession, which, in EVE, doesn't happen.
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:As CCP revamps the sumer rebalance they also have the opportunity to increase the building minerals used in the construction of those ships. To place even more demand upon the supply. I can guarantee to you that CCP will not adjust the build costs of in-game items that already exist. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
897
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:48:00 -
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Of course mineral prices will fall, it has after all been many years since drone poo got removed and humongous stockpiles have had time to deplete.
A small anti-gank buff to mining barges is sure to fix everything. Nyan |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1530
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:51:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:A small anti-gank buff to mining barges is sure to fix everything.
hi
have you looked at the changes before you made this post because it's not a "small anti-gank buff" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Pipa Porto
599
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:53:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:The demand for minerals is relatively inelastic. Think of it this way: a player buys a Drake to go on a 0.0 roam. The roam takes two hours, and by the end, the Drake is lost. If minerals are cheaper, then the Drake is easier to acquire. However, that does not mean that the player can fly two Drakes at the same time (because he can only fly one ship at a time), or that he will spend more than two hours roaming (because he doesn't have an infinite amount of hours in a day). The only way for mineral demand to be elastic is for people to find enjoyment in getting their ships exploded in a very quick succession, which, in EVE, doesn't happen.
I'm gonna mention that another potential source of elasticity is in ship choices.
I see a lot more Cruiser/Frig roams than I used to, and a lot fewer BC roams. I suspect that that is, at least in part, a response to high ship prices.
Whether my experience is common enough for it to affect mineral demand, I don't know. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Dennis Gregs
Pew Pew Inc Altair-Zaniah Ventures
0
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:55:00 -
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So be it.
My body is ready. |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
50
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:59:00 -
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AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.
Eh, improvise, adapt, overcome. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
804
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:59:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:The demand for minerals is relatively inelastic. Think of it this way: a player buys a Drake to go on a 0.0 roam. The roam takes two hours, and by the end, the Drake is lost. If minerals are cheaper, then the Drake is easier to acquire. However, that does not mean that the player can fly two Drakes at the same time (because he can only fly one ship at a time), or that he will spend more than two hours roaming (because he doesn't have an infinite amount of hours in a day). The only way for mineral demand to be elastic is for people to find enjoyment in getting their ships exploded in a very quick succession, which, in EVE, doesn't happen. I'm gonna mention that another potential source of elasticity is in ship choices. I see a lot more Cruiser/Frig roams than I used to, and a lot fewer BC roams. I suspect that that is, at least in part, a response to high ship prices. Whether my experience is common enough for it to affect mineral demand, I don't know. While this is true, it's only true to a small extent. The guys who need to bring 300 arty Abaddons are still going to bring 300 arty Abaddons, and the guys who need Ravens to run missions are still going to use Ravens to run missions. Small-group pvp is probably the lowest source of hull destruction in the game. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
50
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:00:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT! CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners? anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!
Christ, it's called the market you dolt. Put on your big girl pants and suck it up snowflake. |
nat longshot
solo and loveing it Windowlicking Ninja Turtles
54
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:38:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:AdmiralJohn wrote:I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be. BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT! CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners? anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!
Fact is mission running does not chance with the market bounty are a set thing. But our payout on loot and sal changes with the market so there ya go.
Setting your income to one part of the game is like fighting with one hand tied behind your back not wise and more then likey youll lose the fight.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
804
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:38:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:I will adapt, because it does no good to whine about it. Gank victims disagree, lol. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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