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Otry Callemere
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Posted - 2010.09.30 11:58:00 -
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internet spaceship forum prob not the best place to ask about this but the eve community are known for their blunt no bs approach to problems so i open the floor to you.
I work in catering as a senior soux chef at a privately owned small hotel.
i am responsible for ordering in stock for the following days functions and service.
Well i dropped a nut on tuesday night i misread the sheet that we are given outlying the next days functions and forgot to order in stock for a wedding the following day i got the stuff for the day time function but missed the fact it also had a night time buffet that needed to be ordered in.
i fully accept what i did i made a mistake could happen to anyone no point in making excuses for it i ****ed up i will be holding my hands up to it.
now comes the interesting part i got several phone calls during the day from my boss non of which i picked up due to my phone being upstairs while i was downstairs.
then i got a text basically saying "you have dropped me right in it not happy speak to you on friday" (wednesday and thursday are my days off)
while surfing the jobcentre website something i do all the time(you never know when better job will come up).I noticed that my job was being advertised on the site and was posted yesterday round about the time i got the text from my boss.
this advert has been up for a while now but for another position with a different pay scale advertised.Now it has been altered with my salary and job discription added.
I'm not looking for sympathy like i say i screwed up but surely there is something wrong here i have had no disciplinary action taken against me and i am getting the feeling when i show up in the morning they are going to go for a straight gross misconduct and immediate dismissal,feels a bit like a kangaroo court tbh.
I have worked there for two and half years never had any other disciplinary action taken against me before and never been fired in 15 years of working in the trade.
three weeks ago one of our chefs managed to smash a glass over the icecream freezer didn't tell anyone and ended up cutting the crap out of someones mouth.
he got off with a warning and had to pay for all the icecream that had to be thrown away.
i've misread a sheet of paper caused a bit of inconvenience (everything he needed he could have had there within an hour or two)and it looks like i am going to be canned for it.
just feeling a little bit miffed about the whole thing and wanted to vent
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.30 12:06:00 -
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1. Wait to hear out your boss
2. Apply for the job you found
3. Get old job back
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2010.09.30 12:12:00 -
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Check out your employment contract and the relevant laws in your country?
In my uninformed opinion, I would think it would be hard for them to fire you for this (in my country at least), if you've been an employee for a year and a half with no warnings or reprimands, without then leaving themselves open to being sued for wrongful dismissal
Are you expected to have your mobile with you at work? Is that how you normally communicate with your boss? is there no land-line in the kitchen? Does he/she not usually come down and check everything is running smoothly and to plan? Sounds like **** ups like this are bound to happen sometimes if that is their usual routine in the place.
How did you manage to misread the job-sheet. Was it somehow not clear?
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Otry Callemere
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Posted - 2010.09.30 12:27:00 -
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I live in the uk my boss has mondays and tuesdays off i have wed and thur.Its not the first time i have been called up on my days off because a supplier hasn't showed up/staff havn't turned in/something has gone wrong.
i am supposed to be a senior member of staff but lately i get left out of the loop on a lot of issues i am very expensive due to the owners "throw money at a problem" way of dealing with stuff to take the pay cut would hurt a hell of a lot but i am aware i am paid waaay over the odds for my job.
the crux of it is i had the head cold from hell on tuesday (still got the ****ing thing)i misread the sheet prob didn't look properly dropped a nut and the rest as they say is history. I am just thinking this is going to be an over the top reaction to a easily solved problem and am being setup for the fall.
Other members of staff have got away with more serious issues with a slap on the wrist and don't do it again.I make one mistake and am possibly looking at the sack for it.
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Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.30 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 30/09/2010 12:58:26 Go in, and if they do fire you speak to a solicitor. You cannot be fired that easy in the UK - they have to have real reasons of continual inability to do the job (unless it states otherwise in the contract). However, even if the contract states they can fire you on a whim, they still need to have decent reasons. Firing someone "just cos" is not acceptable in a court of law and can come off as discrimination.
Likelihood is, if it does state in the contract they can fire you whenever, you can most likely get some money off them due to the non-work related way in which they fired you (no-one gets fired for a screw-up that quickly, unless they're on some sort of probation period). If the contract does not state it however, you can probably not only get your job back, but some form of compensation. ---
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.30 12:56:00 -
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Sounds like you need an assistant to help with the administrative side of things.
I would take the job advertising to your boss and just speak with him...ask him bluntly if you are being fired so you can prepare?
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Wendat Huron on 30/09/2010 13:16:33 When working in such a free flowing service field as catering you really should keep that cell on you at all times, in case you **** up like you just did.
Sometimes it allow you to rectify the error then and there and other times it just goes as far as to not aggrevate the other party even more.
You just might not be serviceminded enough.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2010.09.30 13:14:00 -
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I guess another possibility is that they realise **** ups like this are going to happen if they are understaffed, so they are advertising for another pair of hands (and eyes) to help you out.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.30 14:07:00 -
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Making mistakes happens, if you do things sometimes it goes wrong. Being fired over making a mistake which isn't of the "oops I suck the Titanic" magnitude is pretty much sad, dunno how it is over there but here in Holland we kinda did away with the "employees are slaves" mentality, well for the largest part anyway.
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2010.09.30 14:18:00 -
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"just feeling a little bit miffed about the whole thing and wanted to vent"
- I imagine your employer is feeling the same way.
Of course he cannot just fire you on the spot for this, he has not done so and has to investigate the situation properly, basically he has to find out what happened from you on Friday and then fix a disciplinary meeting with you if he wants to take it further. If he does want to take it further I'd say
- If you want to annoy him some more, bring an advisor with you (CABx or Union can help maybe?).
- If you really think he wants to find a way to sack you, bring an advisor with you so he knows you wont lay down (then you can try to negotiate something sensible with him).
Presumably this is the accepted system of working in this type of organisation - one bloke having the responsibility to do the ordering with no checks?
Still, I would think this is negligence, maybe you being ill at the time is something that can be said for you. Anyone can make a mistake, but someone has to bear the consequences for that. How much is your employer out of pocket over this, maybe he cant fire you but if he lost a bundle its only human nature he will resent you being there (especially if he finds out you get paid more than the average). Don't like to think it, but maybe he has a claim against you for his loss?
So I'd think a bit of humble pie very sorry wont do it again, first time in 16 years not making excuses but realise now I was maybe not 100% cos of the cold that day etc is the way you'll play it.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.30 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Otry Callemere i got several phone calls during the day from my boss non of which i picked up due to my phone being upstairs while i was downstairs.
I would fire you too. No one wants an employee who plays petty little games like that.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.09.30 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Otry Callemere i got several phone calls during the day from my boss non of which i picked up due to my phone being upstairs while i was downstairs.
I would fire you too. No one wants an employee who plays petty little games like that.
I'm not sure, but I think he's saying that happened on one of his days off? i.e. he's at home (downstairs), his phone is upstairs, and its his day off?
Or maybe I read it wrong.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.30 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 30/09/2010 15:31:29
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Otry Callemere i got several phone calls during the day from my boss non of which i picked up due to my phone being upstairs while i was downstairs.
I would fire you too. No one wants an employee who plays petty little games like that.
I'm not sure, but I think he's saying that happened on one of his days off? i.e. he's at home (downstairs), his phone is upstairs, and its his day off?
Or maybe I read it wrong.
No one likes picking up the phone and talking to their boss on their day off, but it's something you just have to put up with. And why didn't he call work back to see what was up when he saw these calls later?
His boss likely saw through the distance to phone excuse as easily as i did.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.09.30 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Otry Callemere i got several phone calls during the day from my boss non of which i picked up due to my phone being upstairs while i was downstairs.
I would fire you too. No one wants an employee who plays petty little games like that.
I'm not sure, but I think he's saying that happened on one of his days off? i.e. he's at home (downstairs), his phone is upstairs, and its his day off?
Or maybe I read it wrong.
You did, he missed somehow that they had an evening job too, he didn't pick up the phone that day.
Bosses tend to get ****ed when you don't pick up the phone, I know. I had a faulty phone, got the advise to reset it to get my sound back, didn't work, just wiped the changed workdate and still no sound so I didn't get the bosses calls when I was on the freeway.
I thought it an honest mistake and a valid excuse, he did not, written warning and a paycut.
Catering is a much more volatile biz though with you not being better than your last job, one botched one can sink the whole company.
If he doesn't get fired he should be prepared to be demoted to an assisting role till he can commit the schedule to memory, that's possibly why his description's been added to the advert. Replacement doesn't necessarily mean he's out, just demoted and left an oppertunity to quit on his own.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.30 15:44:00 -
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is it possible your boss is going to hire someone to do your job the days your off? or be your assistant?
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Otry Callemere
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Posted - 2010.09.30 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Otry Callemere on 30/09/2010 16:08:38
Quote: I would fire you too. No one wants an employee who plays petty little games like that.
lulz
Quote: I'm not sure, but I think he's saying that happened on one of his days off? i.e. he's at home (downstairs), his phone is upstairs, and its his day off?
correct.
when i saw the messages that had been left i tried to call him but he didn't answer so what am i supposed to do live with my phone surgically attached to my hip?
he could have just as easily called my home phone which would have been picked up right away as i was sitting next to it for most of the afternoon playing xbox.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2010.09.30 16:12:00 -
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is it your personal phone? or a works one, i.e. one your job provided for you?
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Otry Callemere
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Posted - 2010.09.30 16:28:00 -
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personnal not works. Let me make something extremely clear if someone from work calls my mobile i answer it or call them back when i get the message i don't dodge phone calls from work on my day off because i don't want to answer them.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.30 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Otry Callemere
when i saw the messages that had been left i tried to call him but he didn't answer so what am i supposed to do live with my phone surgically attached to my hip?
he could have just as easily called my home phone which would have been picked up right away as i was sitting next to it for most of the afternoon playing xbox.
People get really funny about phones, I've never quite understood it. I wouldn't be surprised if your boss was angry and simply never thought of calling your house phone, especially if he doesn't call that number often. Regardless you'll cop the blame for not answering your phone, best not to argue too hard about that one even if your boss is in the wrong.
If you get on with your workmates but by your own admission are overpaid for what you do then expect some serious pay negotiations, maybe worth making a list of reasons why you're worth so much money (even if you're not), this should give you a defending foot to stand on while negotiating.
Something you said in an earlier post really stood out though:
Originally by: Otry Callemere
i am supposed to be a senior member of staff but lately i get left out of the loop on a lot of issues
I won't speculate on reasons for you being left out the loop but if this is the case it may provide an attacking foot to stand on, if you think the boss wants rid of you and you make it clear that you're not going to go without a fight (ie say you're willing to get a solicitor involved, even if you have no intention of doing so) then diplomatically point out that the boss is sidelining you. This may force him to lay his cards on the table as to why he wants rid of you.
Don't get angry even if his reasons are really bad. Also accept that your perceptions may be wrong and there was no attempt to sideline you, this sort of thing does happen.
Once you've established that you're not going to be pushed out your job you'll be in a much stronger position to negotiate a compromise, this might include things like allowing you to work till you can find a new job, getting a written reference before you leave or otherwise creating a win win situation where you get to be employed and your employer gets whatever it is he wants.
Just my 0.02 isk worth, best of luck when you see your boss. _______
Trolls and Tribulations A story of eve, trolls, world domination and dogfighting against starlings in a tiny dramiel. |
Astenion
Blame The Bunny Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.09.30 17:22:00 -
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You should have gone in on your days off and worked to alleviate the situation whether it was on your own time or not. Saying "I'm sorry" is fine and well, but putting your boss between a rock and a hard place and then still taking your two days off immediately afterwards has an air of "I don't give a sh!t" to it. Owning up to your mistakes means more than simply raising your hand, saying "oops", and then taking two days off.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2010.09.30 18:01:00 -
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The worst he can give you is a written warning, if he fires you he is wiiiiiiiiiiiiide open to legal action.
Making mistakes is no big deal. Where I used to work, an account manager lost a contract worth hundreds of thousands of pounds (maybe even over a million) because he didn't read the contract properly, and not only kept his job, but got promoted.
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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:18:00 -
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I think you should bring in Gordon Ramsay and film an episode of Kitchen Nightmares
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Dalmont Delantee
Gallente British Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:17:00 -
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Its not gross misconduct (the glass would be) so you can't be sacked on the spot and you could nicely do them over in a tribunial
Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:02:00 -
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Yeah, I would think the glass incident would give you some leverage if they tried to fire you. That's some pretty serious **** right there.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Yeah, I would think the glass incident would give you some leverage if they tried to fire you. That's some pretty serious **** right there.
If that guy was upset himself about it and apologetic the boss would be more likely to let it slide, but if the OP was all "Yeah whatever" about his slip ups then then the boss is more likely to be displeased.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Otry Callemere
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Posted - 2010.09.30 23:19:00 -
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Quote: If that guy was upset himself about it and apologetic the boss would be more likely to let it slide, but if the OP was all "Yeah whatever" about his slip ups then then the boss is more likely to be displeased.
lol are you even for real with regards to the glass it breaks about every health and safety rule in the book and is grounds for instant dismissal it cost the hotel ú400 on the night as it was a table of ten that had to completely comped and god knows what bad press when they have gone away and told thier firensds about it.
Also were have i said anywere in any of my posts that i am being all "yeah whatever" about it The situation that i created for myself i am willing to take full responsbility for but it is no way shape or form grounds for dismissal and if it does go down that route then like it has been pointed out if handled wrongly could leave them wide open to tribunal for unfair dismissal.While i may not have been fired from a place of employment before i have certainly sacked my fair share of employees in the past.
-1 for very poor troll attempt
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nahtoh
Caldari Brotherhood of The Saltire R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.10.01 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: nahtoh on 01/10/2010 01:20:06
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Otry Callemere i got several phone calls during the day from my boss non of which i picked up due to my phone being upstairs while i was downstairs.
I would fire you too. No one wants an employee who plays petty little games like that.
You want 24 hour avaliblity you pay for it...Its very simple. You expect it without paying for it or writing it in the emplyment condidtions who the feck would want to work for you anyhow?
Its a personal mobile on his own time which he was not carrying it about at in his own home...cry me a river...
The OP does not seem to be trying to minimise the impact of his mistake (and is pretty open about it), you on teh other hand seem like the annoying low ranked management drone that would best lying in a fetal postion bleeding in the parking area... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
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