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Jigoku Majo
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:22:00 -
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Hello CCP,
Given the fail-patch you have unleashed it would be safe to assume that you will be extending DT several times over the next couple of weeks to correct things.
Unfortunately this will mean a higher than usual level of pain and suffering for players with prime gaming times just before and after DT.
It would be appreciated if you could give timely notice of these events several days in advance, update us on if this weekend will be screwed over by your "fixes" or pushed to days like Monday or Tuesday so you have a couple of relatively quiet playing days to correct your terrible efforts. Maybe something as patching only on one day of the week like a Tuesday so people always know it's a possibility, not just something random you pull out on a whim. Reading the release notes for your last fail-patch there didn't seem to be much in there critical to fix - but I guess one regular patch day would just be too sensible a concept for a company to grasp, when fundamentals such as testing seem to allude you.
Before those of you from other time zones come in abusing this idea think of the annoyance you suffered today and only suffer several times a year as opposed to the several times week leading up to and after patches.
Also others feeling like quoting ToS etc. feel free to take from the monster pile of tissues used to mop up today's tears to clean up the CCP man juices that are running down your leg from your anus.
Thank you CCP for your consideration.
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Cupio Mortem
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:34:00 -
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No. If you feel pain and suffering over a patch to this point, you should probably rethink your valuations of life.
Stuff > Contract > Me > Door
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jigoku Majo Hello CCP,
Given the fail-patch you have unleashed it would be safe to assume that you will be extending DT several times over the next couple of weeks to correct things.
Unfortunately this will mean a higher than usual level of pain and suffering for players with prime gaming times just before and after DT.
It would be appreciated if you could give timely notice of these events several days in advance, update us on if this weekend will be screwed over by your "fixes" or pushed to days like Monday or Tuesday so you have a couple of relatively quiet playing days to correct your terrible efforts. Maybe something as patching only on one day of the week like a Tuesday so people always know it's a possibility, not just something random you pull out on a whim. Reading the release notes for your last fail-patch there didn't seem to be much in there critical to fix - but I guess one regular patch day would just be too sensible a concept for a company to grasp, when fundamentals such as testing seem to allude you.
Before those of you from other time zones come in abusing this idea think of the annoyance you suffered today and only suffer several times a year as opposed to the several times week leading up to and after patches.
Also others feeling like quoting ToS etc. feel free to take from the monster pile of tissues used to mop up today's tears to clean up the CCP man juices that are running down your leg from your anus.
Thank you CCP for your consideration.
Wow, you are trully a ****head. Its too bad CCP doesnt have a ban policy for such posts. |
Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Karia Sur on 01/10/2010 09:54:59 Apart from the final paragraph I see nothing wrong in the rest of his post.
This patch has been released without adequate testing. Anyone who doesnt realise/accept this is deluding themselves. I also reckon this could take more than 1 extended DT to correct and needs to have adequate warning, not just -'heres an update'.
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Ecliptic Illusion
Caldari Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:56:00 -
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It really is all clear in the [url=http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp]EULA[/url].
Quote: NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
DISCLAIMER OF DAMAGES In no event shall CCP, its affiliates, licensors or suppliers be liable to you or to any third party for any special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive or exemplary damages (including without limitation, lost profits or lost data), arising out of or in connection with your Account, the System, Software, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, or any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, whether based on warranty, contract, tort or any other legal theory, and whether or not CCP is advised of the possibility of such damages, and even if any stated remedy fails of its essential purpose.
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:00:00 -
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You cant keep quoting the EULA when CCP constantly screw up.
EDIT: they cant even get todays DT message correct.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Karia Sur Edited by: Karia Sur on 01/10/2010 09:54:59 Apart from the final paragraph I see nothing wrong in the rest of his post.
This patch has been released without adequate testing. Anyone who doesnt realise/accept this is deluding themselves. I also reckon this could take more than 1 extended DT to correct and needs to have adequate warning, not just -'heres an update'.
I dont need stupid player assesments to tell me something i already know. 6 years of play by play patch *****ing is nothing new. |
Riho
Gallente i Care.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:08:00 -
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if this makes you suffer.. quit... its a game and should make you suffer.
CBA to quote EULA and i accept that this stuff happens. ---------------------------------- Fighting for something
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Riho if this makes you suffer.. quit...
ever thought of applying for CCP's Customer Service team, you sound as though youd fit right in.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 01/10/2010 10:24:54 Edited by: Dodgy Past on 01/10/2010 10:24:19 After a significant DT overun CCP call another DT to fix bugs that had been reported on SISI well in advance.
Why not delay the patch to fix the bugs first?
Personally nervous about a friday patch, since if it breaks things worse that will be a weekend lost, after I already lost 2 weeks stuck in a wormhole waiting for CCP to decide what to do about a bug that was reported 8 months ago ( and in petitions CCP GMs were totally unapologetic and verging on rude ).
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Riho
Gallente i Care.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Riho if this makes you suffer.. quit...
ever thought of applying for CCP's Customer Service team, you sound as though youd fit right in.
hehe. might do.
my corp name says it all tbh.
otherwise im right. if the game makes you suffer or whatever... why play it. just quit and the suffering ends. why torture yourself with stuff like this. then again some ppl like the pain and suffering... ---------------------------------- Fighting for something
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.10.01 10:49:00 -
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The game has only made me suffer (as in, its completely unplayable atm) since the fail patch was implemented yesterday. Up to then I had problems with a few minor things but none detracted from the original concept of the game and it was still enjoyable. Now its a complete chore trying to do anything at all. Its like taking a car in to the garage to have new tyres fitted and when you receive it back, it has developed a mind of its own and does whatever it feels like doing.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 01/10/2010 11:11:54
Originally by: Karia Sur The game has only made me suffer (as in, its completely unplayable atm) since the fail patch was implemented yesterday.
So yesterday patch has made the game almost unplayable for you but you support the OP suggestion of patching only once/week or at least wait to correct the problems in this patch till after the week end?
I would be more in favour of a timely correction of at least the more pressing problems (obviously if it is a correction of the problems and not an exchange of one problem for another as sometime happens with hasty patches).
In every case a "2 week or more" schedule of patches with dates selected well in advance and the need to patch that day, ready or not, is the worst way to repair a problematic patch.
As it has been demonstrated time and again in EVE a fixed, unchangeable date for a patch is one of the surest way to get a defective patch.
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Jita Dancer
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:12:00 -
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I bet OP is a real fun guy in R.L
Could you do some MORE RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION please we haven't had enough yet.
Seriously, if the game is that painful for you to play, why do you pay to play it? Are you mental?
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Karia Sur
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Karia Sur The game has only made me suffer (as in, its completely unplayable atm) since the fail patch was implemented yesterday.
So yesterday patch has made the game almost unplayable for you but you support the OP suggestion of patching only once/week or at least wait to correct the problems in this patch till after the week end?
I wouldnt have a problem in not playing the game over the weekend if it gave them chance to find a fix for these issues AND test them adequately before implementing it. What concerns me more is that if they rush a fix, they will cause more damage than do good on current performance.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jigoku Majo
It would be appreciated if you could give timely notice of these events several days in advance, update us on if this weekend will be screwed over by your "fixes" or pushed to days like Monday or Tuesday so you have a couple of relatively quiet playing days to correct your terrible efforts.
They always announce patch days several days, if not weeks, in advance.
Originally by: Jigoku Majo Maybe something as patching only on one day of the week like a Tuesday so people always know it's a possibility, not just something random you pull out on a whim.
Not a terrible idea, but it doesn't save you from unscheduled downtimes that come as a result of unforeseen issues.
Originally by: Jigoku Majo Reading the release notes for your last fail-patch there didn't seem to be much in there critical to fix -
Except that they changed the underlying code of the user interface. That is not a minor change, and as we see it has the potential to affect a lot of things in unintended ways.
Originally by: Jigoku Majo but I guess one regular patch day would just be too sensible a concept for a company to grasp, when fundamentals such as testing seem to allude you.
You mad? -----
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 01/10/2010 11:58:47 Edited by: Venkul Mul on 01/10/2010 11:56:36
Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Karia Sur The game has only made me suffer (as in, its completely unplayable atm) since the fail patch was implemented yesterday.
So yesterday patch has made the game almost unplayable for you but you support the OP suggestion of patching only once/week or at least wait to correct the problems in this patch till after the week end?
I wouldnt have a problem in not playing the game over the weekend if it gave them chance to find a fix for these issues AND test them adequately before implementing it. What concerns me more is that if they rush a fix, they will cause more damage than do good on current performance.
Sure, but a schedule for the correction patches dictate 2 or more weeks in advance as requested by the OP is the best way to get bad patches and at the same time lose a lot of playing time.
The ideal way is to get them installed as soon as they are completed and tested, not to have the developers say "I must implement this patch within the next 2 hours even if I would like to test it for another half day" or "the patch is ready and tested, but the next patch DT is scheduled in 3 day, so now we wait."
Even with a "perfect" patch before further tweaking it there is the need for a testing period on the live server to be sure that there aren't problems that surface only when you have 50K concurrent users or 300 people doing 10 jump in sequence.
Looking the time of your post you probably have replied to the firs few lines, before the second part was added. Read the whole post above.
Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai They always announce patch days several days, if not weeks, in advance.
Major patches are announced several days in advance, minor generally get a 24-36 hour warning.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 01/10/2010 12:02:51
Originally by: Jigoku Majo Hello CCP,
Given the fail-patch
Stopped reding here, your going to have to use proper english if you want to even try to make a point here, wow-esque slang doesnt cut it.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:03:00 -
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what an arse.
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Meg Carter
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 01/10/2010 12:02:51
Originally by: Jigoku Majo Hello CCP,
Given the fail-patch
Stopped reding here, your going to have to use proper english if you want to even try to make a point here, wow-esque slang doesnt cut it.
fail is internet slang now dude.
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Jigoku Majo
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 01/10/2010 12:02:51
Originally by: Jigoku Majo Hello CCP,
Given the fail-patch
Stopped reding here, your going to have to use proper english if you want to even try to make a point here, wow-esque slang doesnt cut it.
Your loss. What would a collective noun be for what CCP do when it comes the updates? A murder of fails?
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:36:00 -
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Please leave all feedback for EVE Online Tyrannis 1.1 in this thread. If you have issues to report please use this thread.
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.01 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past After a significant DT overun CCP call another DT to fix bugs that had been reported on SISI well in advance.
Why not delay the patch to fix the bugs first?
2 things:
a)SiSi and TQ are 2 very different beasts. A fix that works in one, might be totally useless in the other. SiSi can only emulate TQ so far.
b) said bugs were reported on SiSi how? Word of mouth? post in the correspondent forum section? petition?
honestly, sit back and relax. tbh this is a patch that returns me to the good ol' days of setting up a long skill before patch day. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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