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Zenso Vici
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Posted - 2010.10.03 15:11:00 -
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Looking for a 2b loan, towards buying a new character, have already secured a 1.4b bid for this character, which'll take my char-bid amount upto 4b.
As far as collateral goes, I don't have much in the way of assets, nothing really worth mentioning really, my most expensive ship is a BC.
Mail me ingame and just let me know what it'll take, if it comes to it I can try to rope in friends or maybe higher ups in the Corp to vouch/put up collateral for me. Not really thought it through, but mail me and I'm sure I can figure something out! Cheers.
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israus
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.03 15:55:00 -
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your most expensive ship costs what less then 25 mil and you expect somebody to believe you could afford to pay back a 2 bil loan
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.10.03 16:34:00 -
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Some people live in cloud cuckoo land...........The op lives in a place far far beyond that.
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Zenso Vici
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:23:00 -
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Dont reply if you dont bother even reading the last paragraph lol.
Awkward.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zenso Vici Dont reply if you dont bother even reading the last paragraph lol.
Awkward.
really?
Originally by: Zenso Vici
Mail me ingame and just let me know what it'll take,
All the great scammers use the "mail me ingame" so they dont' have to put up with discussion and then they can post about how many people have invested (which haven't invested) so they can get others to invest and make the scam work.
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Calypsa Aeurelieus
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:27:00 -
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My friend,
I assure you that they did in fact read the second paragraph. It's not a matter of if we need collateral to do t his, because simply, we do. You are looking to purchase a character with the funds, which already makes this high risk. The idea behind public investment is a solidified chance of a decent return. I suggest you speak to your corp mates and higher ups to see what, if any, collateral they are willing to put up on your behalf to secure this loan. So again, I assure you people in MD read the whole post, we're the people in EVE who spend time making spreadsheets and reading a prospectus on a daily basis. Revise your plan, "Think it out" and get us some collateral and then come back with a re-proposal.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:28:00 -
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If you can get someone in your corp to put up collateral for you, as per your last paragraph, I will loan you the 2bil. Mail me with collateral details please.
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Zenso Vici
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zenso Vici on 03/10/2010 17:33:35 Appreciate the evemails so far by the way, keep them coming and I'll probably choose who to loan from when I have a couple more offers, they're all appreciated though!
Edit- Breaker, I only want one investor, surely its far easier that way. And yes, really, its awkward when I say I'll put up collateral but I'll have to find a way to do it through a 3rd party (friend/corp member), which is no different from putting up collateral myself, either way the lender gets paid, so your post is also pretty awk.
-Okay Raw, mailing you ingame soon!
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Fat Uncle
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:52:00 -
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So your 'friends' are willing to provide collateral, but unwilling to loan the ISK themselves? Good luck trying to 'rope in' people from the market forum.
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Zenso Vici
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:56:00 -
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"Collateral" is different to 2b cash.
Which is usually why people ask for loans? They have assets worth the amount but need the cash injection... Its basics dude..
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49473
Jita Trade and Research Institute
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:58:00 -
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JTRI has given you a credit rating based on the current details of your loan. It can be found here: Link
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 03/10/2010 17:59:52
Originally by: Zenso Vici
Edit- Breaker, I only want one investor, surely its far easier that way. And yes, really, its awkward when I say I'll put up collateral but I'll have to find a way to do it through a 3rd party (friend/corp member)
Not really. What you want is a private loan pretty much.
If you can come up 110% collateral located in highsec I'll loan you 2 billion @ 6% per month (min 6% no prorated) since you didn't define how long.
contract collateral to me for 2 billion and it's a done deal.
edit: BPOs get valued at NPC price and other collateral goes off of buy orders.
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Zenso Vici
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:05:00 -
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Last offer I got was exactly the same but 8%. Sounds okay, I'll mail/convo you ingame soon. Thanks for the offer.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:06:00 -
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5% assuming the collateral is ok.
Sorry Breaker
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zenso Vici Dont reply if you dont bother even reading the last paragraph lol.
Awkward.
Oh, we read the last paragraph, which included this gem:
Originally by: Zenso Vici Not really thought it through
The cornerstone to any good investment opportunity.
Seems you just heard from someone, probably in Local or Corp chat, that you can come here and get free money for some crazy and half baked idea.
Which is usually true, of course.
But you're just bad at it.
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Zenso Vici
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:12:00 -
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Aww Minerva, whats wrong, did someone scam you recently? Whats with the chip on your shoulder. Basically what happened is, I was in Jita, and my spaceship turned into an egg and I was like woah... did I level up? then sat waiting to hatch into a battleship. But then I was informed by my pals in the University of Caille that infact I had been the victim of a malicious pirate, so I screamed and screamed in Local until someone told me I can come onto the forum and get FREE MONEY.
Lol, raw check my mail anyway, sent it a while ago :D
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 5% assuming the collateral is ok.
Sorry Breaker
*******
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zenso Vici Looking for a 2b loan, towards buying a new character, have already secured a 1.4b bid for this character, which'll take my char-bid amount upto 4b.
As far as collateral goes, I don't have much in the way of assets, nothing really worth mentioning really, my most expensive ship is a BC.
Mail me ingame and just let me know what it'll take, if it comes to it I can try to rope in friends or maybe higher ups in the Corp to vouch/put up collateral for me. Not really thought it through, but mail me and I'm sure I can figure something out! Cheers.
Nice, accompany that **** request with a lovely dose of petulant attitude. ------> GTFO of our for forum.
-L
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Zenso Vici
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:22:00 -
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"Our" ? Being who's?
You mean the couple arsey, unhelpful, generally narcissistic Market Discussion elitists that have posted in this thread? Grow up.
Surprisingly, I've gotten quite a bit of help from this thread, Breaker, Raw, a couple decent evemail offers. Keep it up, theyre all appreciated.
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Calypsa Aeurelieus
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:56:00 -
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There's a difference between an Elitist and a Realist. And any chance you had of getting most investors here has just gone out the window with your poor attitude.
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Zenso Vici
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Posted - 2010.10.03 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zenso Vici on 03/10/2010 19:10:37 Most? I only need one, my attitude is fine, as those I've spoken to know that. Don't come on an internet forum with an attitude of "This is our forum, you dont know what you're talking about and so I'm going to act like a bitter mug" and then feel the need to spit your dummy over it.
Got what I needed from this thread already. Cheerio chaps. Happy trollin.
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Ambo
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.10.03 21:03:00 -
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Are you guys just trolling or what?
He's asking for a loan in return for collateral. He's not looking for investment, he does not need to present a business plan, he does not need to check the attitude at the door. You got the collateral -> you get the loan. collateralised loan =/= bond, ipo, etc. --------------------------------------
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.03 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo Are you guys just trolling or what?
He's asking for a loan in return for collateral. He's not looking for investment, he does not need to present a business plan, he does not need to check the attitude at the door. You got the collateral -> you get the loan. collateralised loan =/= bond, ipo, etc.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed this
Originally by: Breaker77
Not really. What you want is a private loan pretty much.
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israus
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.03 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo Are you guys just trolling or what?
He's asking for a loan in return for collateral. He's not looking for investment, he does not need to present a business plan, he does not need to check the attitude at the door. You got the collateral -> you get the loan. collateralised loan =/= bond, ipo, etc.
whats trolling the end of the day of the day the person giving the loan might be securing himself against a scam but he's not giving any collatoral he's borrowing it. fact is if your getting a loan you have to have a plan for paying it back.
and to be honest if he can raise 2 billion in collatoral from corp mates he should be able to raise 2 billion in cash. and the fact that the monthly interest charge on this loan is 5x's more then what he's most expensive ship begs the question who's the scammer he the guy asking for a loan or the ones scrapping round the barrels to get a return on there money what ever the cost.
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Ambo
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.10.04 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: israus
Originally by: Ambo Are you guys just trolling or what?
He's asking for a loan in return for collateral. He's not looking for investment, he does not need to present a business plan, he does not need to check the attitude at the door. You got the collateral -> you get the loan. collateralised loan =/= bond, ipo, etc.
whats trolling the end of the day of the day the person giving the loan might be securing himself against a scam but he's not giving any collatoral he's borrowing it. fact is if your getting a loan you have to have a plan for paying it back.
and to be honest if he can raise 2 billion in collatoral from corp mates he should be able to raise 2 billion in cash. and the fact that the monthly interest charge on this loan is 5x's more then what he's most expensive ship begs the question who's the scammer he the guy asking for a loan or the ones scrapping round the barrels to get a return on there money what ever the cost.
wha?
It does not matter if he can't pay the interest or not. If he gives me stuff worth 2.2 bil in return for me loaning him 2 bil then I've already made 10% profit.
It may be that he has no intention of making the interest payments. It may be that he's going to scam his corp mates by getting them to put up the collateral and then defaulting.
It does not matter to me because I've already made a profit. That's how collateralised loans work. --------------------------------------
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.10.04 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo It does not matter to me because I've already made a profit. That's how collateralised loans work.
He speaks truthery!
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.10.04 07:50:00 -
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This is not a business offering. What the OP wants is a personal loan. Now, if it was uncollateralised, there would be serious issues with it and it would need to be approached very cautiously. However, with collateral, he is simply presenting himself as a customer for the loan services on MD to compete over. He is not really the one asking for something; he is offering something. He is the customer for a financial product and, as such, he doesn't really need to do anything other than maintain the most basic degree of civility (which he has done).
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egola
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Posted - 2010.10.04 08:51:00 -
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question now only remains: Has it been filled? will the collateral be written down on contracts or will a third party hold onto them?
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israus
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.04 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo
wha?
It does not matter if he can't pay the interest or not. If he gives me stuff worth 2.2 bil in return for me loaning him 2 bil then I've already made 10% profit.
It may be that he has no intention of making the interest payments. It may be that he's going to scam his corp mates by getting them to put up the collateral and then defaulting.
It does not matter to me because I've already made a profit. That's how collateralised loans work.
of course it matters in this case it just the fact that your not going to be the one getting scammed the poor sod who lent him the stuff for the collatoral is. your just making him seem a bit more ligit to the people he's borrowing the gear off.
and if he has no means to pay it back then ofcourse he's going to scam even if he has the best of intentions but you lot don't bother to find out as long as you make your cut.
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2010.10.04 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: israus your most expensive ship costs what less then 25 mil and you expect somebody to believe you could afford to pay back a 2 bil loan
Maybe he is an in station trader and never trained to bigger ships?
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